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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Erica W. Swain</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/its-just-common-sense-really/comment-page-2/#comment-374782</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica W. Swain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Low cost insurance providers hungry for your business. <a href="http://hasslefreeinsurancequote.com" rel="nofollow">Try This Site</a> for multiple quotes before you commit to an insurance policy. It will save you a bunch on your insurance premiums.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, this post is embarrassing.  It&#039;s an obvious straw man at two levels: do you really think Democrats are primarily motivated by dislike of insurance companies? Second, you have to know that the health care bills create serious limits on how insurance companies can price their plans or deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions.  

I&#039;m a fan of your work on civil liberties and also onerous regulations (I&#039;ve linked to you many times), but when you wander into general political or economic issues, you act careless--you might as well be writing RNC press releases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, this post is embarrassing.  It&#8217;s an obvious straw man at two levels: do you really think Democrats are primarily motivated by dislike of insurance companies? Second, you have to know that the health care bills create serious limits on how insurance companies can price their plans or deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan of your work on civil liberties and also onerous regulations (I&#8217;ve linked to you many times), but when you wander into general political or economic issues, you act careless&#8211;you might as well be writing RNC press releases.</p>
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		<title>By: catastrophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>catastrophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s impressed me for some weeks now that arguably the most free-market option for health insurance reform that&#039;s actually been discussed in Congress is also the one that has people screaming &quot;SOCIALISM&quot; the loudest.

I&#039;m referring, of course, to the idea of giving people the option of going with a government-managed insurance plan if they feel the private insurance market has failed them.

Of course, the notion of competition is terribly frightening to the big players in the market, and the words &quot;government-managed&quot; are just as terrifying to many people. So this is what passes as &quot;compromise&quot; between those who demand reform and those who demand no reform.

Sausage? Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s impressed me for some weeks now that arguably the most free-market option for health insurance reform that&#8217;s actually been discussed in Congress is also the one that has people screaming &#8220;SOCIALISM&#8221; the loudest.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m referring, of course, to the idea of giving people the option of going with a government-managed insurance plan if they feel the private insurance market has failed them.</p>
<p>Of course, the notion of competition is terribly frightening to the big players in the market, and the words &#8220;government-managed&#8221; are just as terrifying to many people. So this is what passes as &#8220;compromise&#8221; between those who demand reform and those who demand no reform.</p>
<p>Sausage? Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: lukas</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/its-just-common-sense-really/comment-page-2/#comment-373910</link>
		<dc:creator>lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Somalia: Better off Stateless.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf" rel="nofollow">Somalia: Better off Stateless.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maxwell Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/its-just-common-sense-really/comment-page-2/#comment-373837</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxwell Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Stan, the Libertarian utopia does exist. It&#039;s called Somalia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Stan, the Libertarian utopia does exist. It&#8217;s called Somalia.</p>
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		<title>By: fwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;with govt &quot; should have been &quot;without govt&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;with govt &#8221; should have been &#8220;without govt&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fwb</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/its-just-common-sense-really/comment-page-2/#comment-373760</link>
		<dc:creator>fwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best &quot;mandate&quot; is to eliminate all medicare, all medicaid, and all regular insurance.  Let the market find its level with the govt screwing things up. 

People can buy catastrophic medical insurance if they want.

People can pay their own way.

If you can&#039;t afford it yourself and you chose not to have insurance, you are screwed and can&#039;t get healthcare BUT that IS your choice.  

NO ONE has a right to force anyone else to labor for their benefit which is what shared costs in healthcare are all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best &#8220;mandate&#8221; is to eliminate all medicare, all medicaid, and all regular insurance.  Let the market find its level with the govt screwing things up. </p>
<p>People can buy catastrophic medical insurance if they want.</p>
<p>People can pay their own way.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t afford it yourself and you chose not to have insurance, you are screwed and can&#8217;t get healthcare BUT that IS your choice.  </p>
<p>NO ONE has a right to force anyone else to labor for their benefit which is what shared costs in healthcare are all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - Hence the .nl national risk sharing pool: The companies get a larger share for having people with pre-existing conditions (and high risk). Note, not more cash for actual treatments involved, so they have a /strong/ incentive to do more preventative work, the usual weakness of an insurance-based system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; Hence the .nl national risk sharing pool: The companies get a larger share for having people with pre-existing conditions (and high risk). Note, not more cash for actual treatments involved, so they have a /strong/ incentive to do more preventative work, the usual weakness of an insurance-based system.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea is simple.  Health insurance companies spend $0.30 of every $1 trying to drop coverage for sick people.  The companies write their policy questionnaires to cause this result.  (During a congressinal hearing, one CEO was asked to explain his own company&#039;s questionnaire.  He couldn&#039;t do it.)  This is sleazy and wrong.

Democrats and Republicans want to stop this by requiring insurance companies to accept paying customers despite pre-existing conditions.  The companies reply, &quot;OK, but this will put us out of business because people will free ride.  People will wait to get sick, then they will come sign up for insurance.  We will get all of the costs, but none of the premiums.&quot;

The insurance companies -- evil though they may be -- do have a point here.  

That&#039;s where the mandate comes from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea is simple.  Health insurance companies spend $0.30 of every $1 trying to drop coverage for sick people.  The companies write their policy questionnaires to cause this result.  (During a congressinal hearing, one CEO was asked to explain his own company&#8217;s questionnaire.  He couldn&#8217;t do it.)  This is sleazy and wrong.</p>
<p>Democrats and Republicans want to stop this by requiring insurance companies to accept paying customers despite pre-existing conditions.  The companies reply, &#8220;OK, but this will put us out of business because people will free ride.  People will wait to get sick, then they will come sign up for insurance.  We will get all of the costs, but none of the premiums.&#8221;</p>
<p>The insurance companies &#8212; evil though they may be &#8212; do have a point here.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s where the mandate comes from.</p>
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		<title>By: Chance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;aybe it’s just me, but I think an individual mandate is better than just letting people die in the street if they can’t pay.”

Oh, yeah? Well, good fucking luck trying to make me pay for it.

Come get some, fool.&lt;/i&gt;

LOL Big man on the blog.  I&#039;ll bet you bravely rounded down each box on your 1040EZ last year as a form of protest.  Loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>aybe it’s just me, but I think an individual mandate is better than just letting people die in the street if they can’t pay.”</p>
<p>Oh, yeah? Well, good fucking luck trying to make me pay for it.</p>
<p>Come get some, fool.</i></p>
<p>LOL Big man on the blog.  I&#8217;ll bet you bravely rounded down each box on your 1040EZ last year as a form of protest.  Loser.</p>
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		<title>By: lukas</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hayek is talking about a minimal welfare state, not a generous welfare state.</description>
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		<title>By: de stijl</title>
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		<dc:creator>de stijl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy Beck sez:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;“Hayek was in favor of a generous welfare state.”&lt;/i&gt;

Nice handwave. Now: cite, please. Show your work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist the individuals in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision. Where, as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance - where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks - the case for the state&#039;s helping to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong... Wherever communal action can mitigate disasters against which the individual can neither attempt to guard himself nor make the provision for the consequences, such communal action should undoubtedly be taken,&quot; - Friedrich Hayek, The Road To Serfdom (Chapter 9).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy Beck sez:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>“Hayek was in favor of a generous welfare state.”</i></p>
<p>Nice handwave. Now: cite, please. Show your work.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist the individuals in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision. Where, as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance &#8211; where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks &#8211; the case for the state&#8217;s helping to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong&#8230; Wherever communal action can mitigate disasters against which the individual can neither attempt to guard himself nor make the provision for the consequences, such communal action should undoubtedly be taken,&#8221; &#8211; Friedrich Hayek, The Road To Serfdom (Chapter 9).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This isn’t good or evil, it’s just the way it is, even though it results in pain, suffering and premature death for thousands upon thousands Americans every year.&quot;

Funny only because you didn&#039;t mean it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This isn’t good or evil, it’s just the way it is, even though it results in pain, suffering and premature death for thousands upon thousands Americans every year.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny only because you didn&#8217;t mean it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, the people so scared of healthcare reform would have a better point if they stopped pointing at the NHS. Like the American system, the only defence for it is it evolved that way.

No, there are functioning, efficient systems where all care is delivered by private companies, with a good deal of competition over and above a mandatory (but very affordable) basic package (which the companies can&#039;t refuse you, and a funds pool eliminates the issue of adverse selection!)

That&#039;d be the Netherlands. Go look at how /that/ works. It is entirely possible to sensibly deliver health care via insurance companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, the people so scared of healthcare reform would have a better point if they stopped pointing at the NHS. Like the American system, the only defence for it is it evolved that way.</p>
<p>No, there are functioning, efficient systems where all care is delivered by private companies, with a good deal of competition over and above a mandatory (but very affordable) basic package (which the companies can&#8217;t refuse you, and a funds pool eliminates the issue of adverse selection!)</p>
<p>That&#8217;d be the Netherlands. Go look at how /that/ works. It is entirely possible to sensibly deliver health care via insurance companies.</p>
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		<title>By: André Kenji</title>
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		<dc:creator>André Kenji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not healthcare per si, but healthcare costs. Medical procedures in the US are too expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not healthcare per si, but healthcare costs. Medical procedures in the US are too expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: el coronado</title>
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		<dc:creator>el coronado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ya know what, balko? you&#039;re right. arguing with a (democrat-lovin&#039;) fool is a fool&#039;s errand, especially when he&#039;s a hypersensitive wuss with  suspiciously prominent control-freak tendencies. (german heritage, by chance?)

your blog, your rules. since one of them seems to be &quot;must agree with/kiss blogowners ass&quot;, i reckon it&#039;s time to give you up as a lost cause, even if you are the only consistent and reliable &#039;cop outrage&#039; blog out there. 

a pity, but GFY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ya know what, balko? you&#8217;re right. arguing with a (democrat-lovin&#8217;) fool is a fool&#8217;s errand, especially when he&#8217;s a hypersensitive wuss with  suspiciously prominent control-freak tendencies. (german heritage, by chance?)</p>
<p>your blog, your rules. since one of them seems to be &#8220;must agree with/kiss blogowners ass&#8221;, i reckon it&#8217;s time to give you up as a lost cause, even if you are the only consistent and reliable &#8216;cop outrage&#8217; blog out there. </p>
<p>a pity, but GFY.</p>
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		<title>By: James D</title>
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		<dc:creator>James D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to reply but I can&#039;t really top 42 ninjas ....</description>
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		<title>By: Zargon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zargon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;#52
What happens when something happens all of a sudden that isn’t considered catastrophic and is not covered by the policy?

What happens when someone can’t afford even a catastrophic insurance plan or to pay out of pocket for chronic medication?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And what happens when you&#039;re walking down a dark alley at night and get waylaid by 42 ninjas and there&#039;s nothing you can do about it?  What then, huh?  What then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#52<br />
What happens when something happens all of a sudden that isn’t considered catastrophic and is not covered by the policy?</p>
<p>What happens when someone can’t afford even a catastrophic insurance plan or to pay out of pocket for chronic medication?</p></blockquote>
<p>And what happens when you&#8217;re walking down a dark alley at night and get waylaid by 42 ninjas and there&#8217;s nothing you can do about it?  What then, huh?  What then?</p>
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		<title>By: Oatwhore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oatwhore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or for short: our health insurance should be like every other insurance … for catastrophic stuff (cancer, bad accident, etc) only. Do we pay for gas in our car or oil changes with our Car Insurance? Why should health care be any different?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What happens when something happens all of a sudden that isn&#039;t considered catastrophic and is not covered by the policy?

What happens when someone can&#039;t afford even a catastrophic insurance plan or to pay out of pocket for chronic medication?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or for short: our health insurance should be like every other insurance … for catastrophic stuff (cancer, bad accident, etc) only. Do we pay for gas in our car or oil changes with our Car Insurance? Why should health care be any different?</p></blockquote>
<p>What happens when something happens all of a sudden that isn&#8217;t considered catastrophic and is not covered by the policy?</p>
<p>What happens when someone can&#8217;t afford even a catastrophic insurance plan or to pay out of pocket for chronic medication?</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
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		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18, I agree with you 100%.  The label means nothing, R and D are on the same team, just attacking different parts of liberty, so the sum of their actions equals complete destruction of liberty.  In no way is it a mere coincidence or a circus of bumbling idiots year after year after decade after century, but rather an orchestrated effort to destroy liberty in this country.  Human nature and history have shown this to be the case, yet so many don&#039;t want to believe the ugly truth.

The end goal is an entirely separate discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18, I agree with you 100%.  The label means nothing, R and D are on the same team, just attacking different parts of liberty, so the sum of their actions equals complete destruction of liberty.  In no way is it a mere coincidence or a circus of bumbling idiots year after year after decade after century, but rather an orchestrated effort to destroy liberty in this country.  Human nature and history have shown this to be the case, yet so many don&#8217;t want to believe the ugly truth.</p>
<p>The end goal is an entirely separate discussion.</p>
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