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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: furpo</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373629</link>
		<dc:creator>furpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Study finds no link between child porn and sex abuse
7/14/2009

MEN without a prior sex conviction who look at child pornography on the internet are unlikely to sexually assault a child, according to Swiss scientists.

Researchers led by Frank Urbaniok of the Canton of Zurich Department of Justice delved into the criminal record of 231 men who were charged with viewing child pornography via a US website.

In the six years before the 2002 police operation, only one per cent were known to have committed a hands-on sex offence.

And only one per cent of the men committed a hands-on sex offence in the six years afterwards.

The study reinforces previous research which found most consumers of internet child pornography are well-educated and view other types of illegal pornography as well, including sexual acts involving animals or violence.

Mr Urbaniok said men who surfed the web for child pornography were sex offenders, but it should not be automatically assumed that they were a risk for sexually assaulting a child.

&quot;Our results support the assumption that these consumers, in fact, form a distinct group of sex offenders,&quot; he said.

&quot;Probably, the motivation for consuming child pornography differs from the motivation to physically assault minors.

&quot;Furthermore, the recidivism rates of one per cent for hands-on and four per cent for hands-off sex offences were quite low.&quot;

A 2005 paper by Canadian researchers Michael Seto and Angela Eke found that of 201 men charged with child pornography offences, 24 per cent had prior offences for sexual contact.

Four per cent went on to commit a subsequent sexual offence after being charged or prosecuted. 

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25779646-26103,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Study finds no link between child porn and sex abuse<br />
7/14/2009</p>
<p>MEN without a prior sex conviction who look at child pornography on the internet are unlikely to sexually assault a child, according to Swiss scientists.</p>
<p>Researchers led by Frank Urbaniok of the Canton of Zurich Department of Justice delved into the criminal record of 231 men who were charged with viewing child pornography via a US website.</p>
<p>In the six years before the 2002 police operation, only one per cent were known to have committed a hands-on sex offence.</p>
<p>And only one per cent of the men committed a hands-on sex offence in the six years afterwards.</p>
<p>The study reinforces previous research which found most consumers of internet child pornography are well-educated and view other types of illegal pornography as well, including sexual acts involving animals or violence.</p>
<p>Mr Urbaniok said men who surfed the web for child pornography were sex offenders, but it should not be automatically assumed that they were a risk for sexually assaulting a child.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our results support the assumption that these consumers, in fact, form a distinct group of sex offenders,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Probably, the motivation for consuming child pornography differs from the motivation to physically assault minors.</p>
<p>&#8220;Furthermore, the recidivism rates of one per cent for hands-on and four per cent for hands-off sex offences were quite low.&#8221;</p>
<p>A 2005 paper by Canadian researchers Michael Seto and Angela Eke found that of 201 men charged with child pornography offences, 24 per cent had prior offences for sexual contact.</p>
<p>Four per cent went on to commit a subsequent sexual offence after being charged or prosecuted. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25779646-26103,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25779646-26103,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Woog</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373617</link>
		<dc:creator>Woog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Hope for John Bobbitt.</description>
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		<title>By: MG</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373596</link>
		<dc:creator>MG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: the rabbit penis story --  The Carrot and The Stick Approach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: the rabbit penis story &#8212;  The Carrot and The Stick Approach</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but this is one of many reasons why mere possession of child porn shouldn’t be a crime. Production? Sure. Lock them up and throw away the key.&quot;

English law has got there before you. &quot;Viewing&quot; child porn is considered production. For before you viewed it, there was one copy on hte hard drive (or the server etc) and while you were viewing it there were two copies, one in your browser and one on the hard drive/server. Thus you have published/produced child porn.

No, really, that is the way the law is being run.

It&#039;s just the same as the way the libel laws work. A story that has been viewed by a browser in England has been published in England on hte same basis. Thus English libel laws apply. (This was actually tested in another Common Law jurisdiction, Australia, and Dow Jones lost.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but this is one of many reasons why mere possession of child porn shouldn’t be a crime. Production? Sure. Lock them up and throw away the key.&#8221;</p>
<p>English law has got there before you. &#8220;Viewing&#8221; child porn is considered production. For before you viewed it, there was one copy on hte hard drive (or the server etc) and while you were viewing it there were two copies, one in your browser and one on the hard drive/server. Thus you have published/produced child porn.</p>
<p>No, really, that is the way the law is being run.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just the same as the way the libel laws work. A story that has been viewed by a browser in England has been published in England on hte same basis. Thus English libel laws apply. (This was actually tested in another Common Law jurisdiction, Australia, and Dow Jones lost.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373510</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a woodworker, it&#039;s good to know there is one less member I need to worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a woodworker, it&#8217;s good to know there is one less member I need to worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark William</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373503</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a lot of fun at parties; especially when they pass the vegetable platter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a lot of fun at parties; especially when they pass the vegetable platter.</p>
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		<title>By: an(agram)arch</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373493</link>
		<dc:creator>an(agram)arch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Engineered Human Hopes Raise Rabbit Penises</description>
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		<title>By: Keagan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373481</link>
		<dc:creator>Keagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruni de la Motte. Wow. Kim Jong Il just called. He&#039;s sending his jet for you now. Toodles, pinko!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruni de la Motte. Wow. Kim Jong Il just called. He&#8217;s sending his jet for you now. Toodles, pinko!</p>
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		<title>By: Rimfax</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373471</link>
		<dc:creator>Rimfax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruni de la Motte co-wrote a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/81617&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;booklet&lt;/a&gt; for the Communist Party of Great Britain&#039;s former publisher.  (look at the bottom of the page)

So, she&#039;s not so much a communist apologist as an unreformed Communist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruni de la Motte co-wrote a <a href="http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/81617" rel="nofollow">booklet</a> for the Communist Party of Great Britain&#8217;s former publisher.  (look at the bottom of the page)</p>
<p>So, she&#8217;s not so much a communist apologist as an unreformed Communist.</p>
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		<title>By: MacK</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373467</link>
		<dc:creator>MacK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not have a funny joke for the bunny penis story, but after reading it I suddenly wanted to make 12 kids, and eat a carrot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have a funny joke for the bunny penis story, but after reading it I suddenly wanted to make 12 kids, and eat a carrot?</p>
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		<title>By: el coronado</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373459</link>
		<dc:creator>el coronado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after a real quick glance at the article wistfully lamenting all those misty water-colored memories (&quot;young lovers struggling to push the trabi up the hill to their apartment, remembering as always to take the windshield wipers off before they were stolen&quot;) of the late workers paradise, i instantly knew the article had come from either the &#039;NY times&#039; or &#039;the guardian&#039;. either that or &#039;the onion&#039;, but real satire doesn&#039;t have quite that degree of excessive moronic earnestness.

it&#039;s official: newspapers are dead, and will all by gone by 2035. they&#039;ve become parodies of themselves, **and don&#039;t even know it**.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after a real quick glance at the article wistfully lamenting all those misty water-colored memories (&#8220;young lovers struggling to push the trabi up the hill to their apartment, remembering as always to take the windshield wipers off before they were stolen&#8221;) of the late workers paradise, i instantly knew the article had come from either the &#8216;NY times&#8217; or &#8216;the guardian&#8217;. either that or &#8216;the onion&#8217;, but real satire doesn&#8217;t have quite that degree of excessive moronic earnestness.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s official: newspapers are dead, and will all by gone by 2035. they&#8217;ve become parodies of themselves, **and don&#8217;t even know it**.</p>
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		<title>By: Alaska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in item one you meant &quot;I realize it&#039;s not a popular position&quot;. It is not a popular position, but it is one that is consistent with the fourth amendment. 

As far as locking someone up and throwing away the key, that depends. I have represented numerous people charged with possession and distribution of child pornography. Part of any good defense work involves a review of what was found on the client&#039;s computer. The difficulty is in defining material or drawing an appropriate sentence.

The federal sentencing guidelines offer some assistance - increasing levels for &#039;sadomasochistic&#039; images, which have been held to involve what would typically be hard-core, or penetrative, pornography (and there are numerous problems with applying those standards, but that is a whole other post). Frequently, state laws do not.

That being said, I believe that a better response would be that prison can be an appropriate punishment for production of child pornography. Involving a 7-year old in hard core sex scenes should involve prison time, and lots of it. On the other hand, I&#039;m not so convinced that production of &#039;child pornography&#039; involving 14 and 15 teens should involve the same amounts of prison time. This assumes voluntary participation, of course. Forcing someone of any age to be involved in pornographic videos should require prison time.

The last case I handled involved numerous images from the Netherlands. Among the images was a girl who appeared quite healthy and happy, and about 15 years old. The ICE officer, examining the computer with me, commented that pictures like that are common in the Netherlands and in Scandinavia. &quot;It&#039;s just a different culture,&quot; was his explanation. &quot;It&#039;s not that big of a deal there.&quot; So why was my client prosecuted for something that appears to have been legally produced and legally uploaded in its country of origin?

On the one hand, it bothers me that clients are prosecuted here for possessing images that are legally available in other country because of cultural differences. On the other hand, some cultures countenance behavior that, because it involves force or fraud against another, our culture rightly condemns. &quot;Honor rapes&quot; and &quot;honor murders&quot; are the type of crime that come to mind.

An area that seems black and white on the surface can, when one begins to examine the particulars of a specific case, show many nuances and reasons for either stricter or more lenient sentences. All things considered, I would prefer to err on the side of less jail time rather than more.

Thanks for the link to the article. It gives me another potential defense. The main difficulty now is that federal law prohibits providing the computer to the defense in these types of cases. That, too, is a whole other story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in item one you meant &#8220;I realize it&#8217;s not a popular position&#8221;. It is not a popular position, but it is one that is consistent with the fourth amendment. </p>
<p>As far as locking someone up and throwing away the key, that depends. I have represented numerous people charged with possession and distribution of child pornography. Part of any good defense work involves a review of what was found on the client&#8217;s computer. The difficulty is in defining material or drawing an appropriate sentence.</p>
<p>The federal sentencing guidelines offer some assistance &#8211; increasing levels for &#8216;sadomasochistic&#8217; images, which have been held to involve what would typically be hard-core, or penetrative, pornography (and there are numerous problems with applying those standards, but that is a whole other post). Frequently, state laws do not.</p>
<p>That being said, I believe that a better response would be that prison can be an appropriate punishment for production of child pornography. Involving a 7-year old in hard core sex scenes should involve prison time, and lots of it. On the other hand, I&#8217;m not so convinced that production of &#8216;child pornography&#8217; involving 14 and 15 teens should involve the same amounts of prison time. This assumes voluntary participation, of course. Forcing someone of any age to be involved in pornographic videos should require prison time.</p>
<p>The last case I handled involved numerous images from the Netherlands. Among the images was a girl who appeared quite healthy and happy, and about 15 years old. The ICE officer, examining the computer with me, commented that pictures like that are common in the Netherlands and in Scandinavia. &#8220;It&#8217;s just a different culture,&#8221; was his explanation. &#8220;It&#8217;s not that big of a deal there.&#8221; So why was my client prosecuted for something that appears to have been legally produced and legally uploaded in its country of origin?</p>
<p>On the one hand, it bothers me that clients are prosecuted here for possessing images that are legally available in other country because of cultural differences. On the other hand, some cultures countenance behavior that, because it involves force or fraud against another, our culture rightly condemns. &#8220;Honor rapes&#8221; and &#8220;honor murders&#8221; are the type of crime that come to mind.</p>
<p>An area that seems black and white on the surface can, when one begins to examine the particulars of a specific case, show many nuances and reasons for either stricter or more lenient sentences. All things considered, I would prefer to err on the side of less jail time rather than more.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the article. It gives me another potential defense. The main difficulty now is that federal law prohibits providing the computer to the defense in these types of cases. That, too, is a whole other story.</p>
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		<title>By: ClubMedSux</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClubMedSux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that East Germany article really is pathetic.  Here&#039;s an analogous argument: Sure, Jaycee Dugard was kidnapped for 18 years, repeatedly raped, and forced to bear her captor&#039;s child, but at the time of her arrest, he had developed a bond with her captors (even crying when they were arrested), had food and shelter provided for her, and even had pets at her captor&#039;s residence.  Upon being &quot;freed&quot; by the police, she was troubled by her captors&#039; (i.e. the father of her child&#039;s) arrest, was ill-equipped to survive in the real world, and was even taken away from her pets.  How dare the police effectively force Dougan to give up her past life and leave her to fend for herself in the outside world?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that East Germany article really is pathetic.  Here&#8217;s an analogous argument: Sure, Jaycee Dugard was kidnapped for 18 years, repeatedly raped, and forced to bear her captor&#8217;s child, but at the time of her arrest, he had developed a bond with her captors (even crying when they were arrested), had food and shelter provided for her, and even had pets at her captor&#8217;s residence.  Upon being &#8220;freed&#8221; by the police, she was troubled by her captors&#8217; (i.e. the father of her child&#8217;s) arrest, was ill-equipped to survive in the real world, and was even taken away from her pets.  How dare the police effectively force Dougan to give up her past life and leave her to fend for herself in the outside world?!</p>
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		<title>By: digamma</title>
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		<dc:creator>digamma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to squint pretty hard to read Bruni de la Motte&#039;s piece as nothing but a &quot;Commie apology&quot;.  Does the allegation that the new unified German government handed off a lot of people&#039;s homes to connected cronies not bother you at all?  Or the radical currency revaluation that wrecked GDR exports?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to squint pretty hard to read Bruni de la Motte&#8217;s piece as nothing but a &#8220;Commie apology&#8221;.  Does the allegation that the new unified German government handed off a lot of people&#8217;s homes to connected cronies not bother you at all?  Or the radical currency revaluation that wrecked GDR exports?</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDub</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It keeps going and going and going and going and ...</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders whether Bruni De Lat Motte&#039;s best friend was an informant for the East German Stasi.  How did she get such a prestigious university appointment if she wasn&#039;t a party member?

In any case, there wasn&#039;t much use for ex-East German law professors after 1990, and thank God!  One hopes that the same will be true for ex-North Korean law professors in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders whether Bruni De Lat Motte&#8217;s best friend was an informant for the East German Stasi.  How did she get such a prestigious university appointment if she wasn&#8217;t a party member?</p>
<p>In any case, there wasn&#8217;t much use for ex-East German law professors after 1990, and thank God!  One hopes that the same will be true for ex-North Korean law professors in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seems bunny enough for me.</description>
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		<title>By: Rhayader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhayader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No mention of the AMA&#039;s new recommendation that the Schedule 1 status of cannabis be investigated in light of new medical evidence?  Seeing that their old recommendation -- that cannabis be listed in Schedule 1 -- has long been a major prohibitionist talking point, it seems news-worthy.

http://blog.mpp.org/medical-marijuana/nation%E2%80%99s-largest-medical-association-calls-for-review-of-marijuana%E2%80%99s-legal-status/11102009/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No mention of the AMA&#8217;s new recommendation that the Schedule 1 status of cannabis be investigated in light of new medical evidence?  Seeing that their old recommendation &#8212; that cannabis be listed in Schedule 1 &#8212; has long been a major prohibitionist talking point, it seems news-worthy.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.mpp.org/medical-marijuana/nation%E2%80%99s-largest-medical-association-calls-for-review-of-marijuana%E2%80%99s-legal-status/11102009/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mpp.org/medical-marijuana/nation%E2%80%99s-largest-medical-association-calls-for-review-of-marijuana%E2%80%99s-legal-status/11102009/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373425</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I propose that both Matthew Peck and Jo3sh be banned from posting for at least 24 hours. Because ... yeah, those jokes were a bit too cheesy.

2. I&#039;m very curious to see if, you were to corner Chris Harris, if he&#039;d see the irony in his attacks on Heritage, given the simultaneous work that Media Matters does regarding Glenn Beck. I&#039;d guess not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I propose that both Matthew Peck and Jo3sh be banned from posting for at least 24 hours. Because &#8230; yeah, those jokes were a bit too cheesy.</p>
<p>2. I&#8217;m very curious to see if, you were to corner Chris Harris, if he&#8217;d see the irony in his attacks on Heritage, given the simultaneous work that Media Matters does regarding Glenn Beck. I&#8217;d guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo3sh</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/10/afternoon-links-21/comment-page-1/#comment-373424</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo3sh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/Hare/ Hardons, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/Hare/ Hardons, sorry.</p>
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