Voices of Gitmo

Thursday, November 5th, 2009

This ACLU video profiles the Gitmo prisoners detained, tortured, and then released without charge.

You might keep the recent 2nd Circuit ruling my colleague Jacob Sullum wrote about yesterday in mind while watching.


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56 Responses to “Voices of Gitmo”

  1. #1 |  Nanoo | 

    “In all of their cases I think the evidence is more than enough to believe they’re a danger, you obviously disagree.”

    If there was sufficient evidence then why weren’t they formally tried? One of the biggest issues here is not the detaining it’s the detaining WITHOUT trial.

    Why weren’t they tried? Why were they held for years and systematically tortured?

  2. #2 |  colson | 

    @Nanoo

    I’m not making the case either way but when you ask:

    “Why weren’t they tried? Why were they held for years and systematically tortured?”

    … my understanding is they weren’t tried because they were treated as enemy combatants and prisoners of war. And to some extent, interrogation methods can be employed. I’m not going to step into the fracas and make the case for either side – but that is my understanding of the Fed Gov’s position. To some degree, the interrogation process was assisted by the Executive branch which only exacerbates the problem.

    In my opinion the government has straddled the enemy combatant divide by essentially crafting a new class of combatant which is essentially a terrorist with no formal army. By playing on the razors edge of classification, they’ve fallen on both sides in order to protect their method of reasoning and justification for their actions.

  3. #3 |  Nanoo | 

    I’m not going to quote chunks of the Geneva Convention here but simply point to the articles in question.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_combatant

    By the way, you might wanna check out the Military Order of November 13, 2001. Particularly the bit that says:

    Any individual subject to this order shall be —

    “…treated humanely, without any adverse distinction based on race, color, religion, gender, birth, wealth, or any similar criteria”

    http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/mo-111301.htm

    Some interesting reading can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_and_the_United_States

    Now before you start calling me a soft-cock liberal that should be thankful that other people are protecting my freedom you should know that I have served honourably in the military of my own country (and may re-enlist sometime in the future).

  4. #4 |  el coronado | 

    i wonder if someone’ll make a weepy documentary about “justice denied” about the 13 soldiers killed by an officer and a gentleman who practices a religion that doesn’t have anything at all to do with his brave, manly, unprovoked attack on his unarmed, unknowing brother soldiers. with lots of deep, mournful cello music as the friends of the dead realize tearfully that the massacre was actually all the fault of the dead guys, and the shooter – who biased, hateful, inflammatory reporting is saying was shouting “allahu akbar” as he bravely shot at his unarmed victims – was really a messenger of justice sent from above to punish us for our sins at guantanamo, where the poor, tortured souls entombed there continue to gain weight and clamor for more harry potter books. “ending the series is torture!”

    well, i’m sure this is all just a matter for the courts to decide, as *clearly* there are no other issues in play here.

    still, it *was* pleasant to see that he was gunned down by a **girl**. i hear that’s kind of a burn in some cultures.

  5. #5 |  Guido | 

    el coronado
    ” blah blah …well, i’m sure this is all just a matter for the courts to decide, ”

    Well that’s the general idea here in America.

  6. #6 |  el coronado | 

    the “courts”, guido?

    your stirring line about “america” aside, i’m afraid that’s not how it’s gonna be for hassan the mighty; nidal the brave. he was a military officer committing a crime against military personnel on a military installation.

    that makes him subject to military justice, IIRC. with any luck, they’ll find him guilty of murder *and* treason, and have him shot or hung – whichever hurts the most. i’m personally hoping for an all-female firing squad, but that’s just me. maybe they could all yell “jesus saves!” as they fire. maybe obama could give a “shout out” to the execution unit.

    still, i’ll give the guy credit: as opposed to the oppressed innocents at guantanamo, nidal the warrior at least wore an identifiable uniform when he opened fire upon unsuspecting innocents.