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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 - &#039;Sorry, part of the problem. Grow a set of balls and say “He was breaking the law, he got a ticket for it.”&#039;

I generally agree with you, but in this case everything&#039;s screwed up. I say, &#039;Sorry, part of the problem. Grow a set of balls and say “He was breaking a bullshit law, and I refuse to write a ticket for it.”

This is what happens in clashes between bullshit bureaucrats- a pissing match between paper pushers. The cop&#039;s still new (and delusional) enough to think the community benefits from this shit. The mayor&#039;s entrenched (and delusional) enough to think he&#039;s too important to be held to the same standards as the serfs.

Fuck &#039;em both- I hope the worthless twerps get locked in a cage match with someone who really knows how to kick their asses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 &#8211; &#8216;Sorry, part of the problem. Grow a set of balls and say “He was breaking the law, he got a ticket for it.”&#8217;</p>
<p>I generally agree with you, but in this case everything&#8217;s screwed up. I say, &#8216;Sorry, part of the problem. Grow a set of balls and say “He was breaking a bullshit law, and I refuse to write a ticket for it.”</p>
<p>This is what happens in clashes between bullshit bureaucrats- a pissing match between paper pushers. The cop&#8217;s still new (and delusional) enough to think the community benefits from this shit. The mayor&#8217;s entrenched (and delusional) enough to think he&#8217;s too important to be held to the same standards as the serfs.</p>
<p>Fuck &#8216;em both- I hope the worthless twerps get locked in a cage match with someone who really knows how to kick their asses.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PW &#124;  October 29th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

These days, the police force is little more than a WELFARE AND JOBS PROGRAM for otherwise unemployable thugs.

By every measure though, cop employment = cop welfare.


i hope you don&#039;t mind me using cop welfare.  it goes good with military welfare, bank welfare, sport teams welfare...... and on and on..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PW |  October 29th, 2009 at 1:42 pm</p>
<p>These days, the police force is little more than a WELFARE AND JOBS PROGRAM for otherwise unemployable thugs.</p>
<p>By every measure though, cop employment = cop welfare.</p>
<p>i hope you don&#8217;t mind me using cop welfare.  it goes good with military welfare, bank welfare, sport teams welfare&#8230;&#8230; and on and on&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Ramins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Ramins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tax collectors and muscle working on behalf of the elite are protected, until such time as they work against the elite.

Not surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tax collectors and muscle working on behalf of the elite are protected, until such time as they work against the elite.</p>
<p>Not surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Reads article title*
Holy crap, some good cop-related news! How often do you see that around here?

*Reads article contents*
Son of a...
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
*Johnnie Walker*
*headdesk*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Reads article title*<br />
Holy crap, some good cop-related news! How often do you see that around here?</p>
<p>*Reads article contents*<br />
Son of a&#8230;<br />
*headdesk*<br />
*headdesk*<br />
*headdesk*<br />
*Johnnie Walker*<br />
*headdesk*</p>
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		<title>By: Flo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, wait a minute... The dude gets pulled over for avoiding a DUI check point and gets hassled further because he&#039;s looking for a lost dog and probably not driving &quot;normally&quot;, and doesn&#039;t have ID.  The officer could&#039;ve used some discretion and let him off with a warning, told him to look on foot, or what ever, but he got caught running the check point revenue scam on the Mayors kid...  

You know, I can&#039;t bring myself to feel sympathy for the officer.  Its not like the Mayor showed up at the station and said; don&#039;t ticket my family members.   The cop may or may not have been 100% professional with the mayors kid, we&#039;ll never know, but the fact of the matter is he disobeyed a direct order.  Nepotism aside if the Mayor of your town wants to get hip deep in your butt, its probably worth your job to  oblige him and vote for someone else next time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, wait a minute&#8230; The dude gets pulled over for avoiding a DUI check point and gets hassled further because he&#8217;s looking for a lost dog and probably not driving &#8220;normally&#8221;, and doesn&#8217;t have ID.  The officer could&#8217;ve used some discretion and let him off with a warning, told him to look on foot, or what ever, but he got caught running the check point revenue scam on the Mayors kid&#8230;  </p>
<p>You know, I can&#8217;t bring myself to feel sympathy for the officer.  Its not like the Mayor showed up at the station and said; don&#8217;t ticket my family members.   The cop may or may not have been 100% professional with the mayors kid, we&#8217;ll never know, but the fact of the matter is he disobeyed a direct order.  Nepotism aside if the Mayor of your town wants to get hip deep in your butt, its probably worth your job to  oblige him and vote for someone else next time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayor spank!</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rowell is a new member of the five-man Stockton police force. So, last Tuesday he didn&#039;t think twice about pulling over a driver in a small white car for avoiding a DUI stop.&quot;

So he lacked probable cause to pull him over.  He should be fired.  Too bad it has to happen to the Mayor&#039;s family for anyone to care (just like the guy with the dogs in PG County Maryland).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rowell is a new member of the five-man Stockton police force. So, last Tuesday he didn&#8217;t think twice about pulling over a driver in a small white car for avoiding a DUI stop.&#8221;</p>
<p>So he lacked probable cause to pull him over.  He should be fired.  Too bad it has to happen to the Mayor&#8217;s family for anyone to care (just like the guy with the dogs in PG County Maryland).</p>
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		<title>By: Waste93</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waste93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of doubt the officer pulled him over for avoiding the checkpoint. Though that is probably what drew his attention to him. More likely he then followed until he had PC for a traffic stop. Might be interesting to get ahold of a copy of the ticket to confirm though.

 Secondly the mayor should have been arrested for obstruction. Some states also have laws against retaliation which may apply. There are probably some other laws that were violated, possibly extortion, and the chief of police may also be in violation depending on their conversation. Plus you have a host of civil law violations. As others have mentioned, if the officer pushes this he not only gets his job back but gets a pay day from the city.

 Generaly I hold politicians and lawyers (often the same thing) in lower regard than officers. Even with all the stories here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of doubt the officer pulled him over for avoiding the checkpoint. Though that is probably what drew his attention to him. More likely he then followed until he had PC for a traffic stop. Might be interesting to get ahold of a copy of the ticket to confirm though.</p>
<p> Secondly the mayor should have been arrested for obstruction. Some states also have laws against retaliation which may apply. There are probably some other laws that were violated, possibly extortion, and the chief of police may also be in violation depending on their conversation. Plus you have a host of civil law violations. As others have mentioned, if the officer pushes this he not only gets his job back but gets a pay day from the city.</p>
<p> Generaly I hold politicians and lawyers (often the same thing) in lower regard than officers. Even with all the stories here.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Icepick &#171; Oh, My!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Icepick &#171; Oh, My!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (via Balko) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Big Chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moral of the story:

A cop can be dishonest and corrupt, but you have to hold political office to display total moral bankruptcy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moral of the story:</p>
<p>A cop can be dishonest and corrupt, but you have to hold political office to display total moral bankruptcy.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a kid I would say &quot;and liberty and justice for some.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid I would say &#8220;and liberty and justice for some.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MacK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have one very glaring problem with the cops reason for pulling the son over. He said he pulled him over, because he avoided a DUI check point.

The mayor&#039;s son should be getting a good lawyer to sue the cop for violating his 4th Amendment rights by stopping him without suspicion of a crime in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have one very glaring problem with the cops reason for pulling the son over. He said he pulled him over, because he avoided a DUI check point.</p>
<p>The mayor&#8217;s son should be getting a good lawyer to sue the cop for violating his 4th Amendment rights by stopping him without suspicion of a crime in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, some accountability! :)</description>
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		<title>By: Oatwhore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oatwhore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;These days, the police force is little more than a WELFARE AND JOBS PROGRAM for otherwise unemployable thugs.
&lt;/i&gt;

Evidence of the ol&#039; glazzies! Nothing up our sleeves, no magic little Alex! A job for two who are now of job age!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>These days, the police force is little more than a WELFARE AND JOBS PROGRAM for otherwise unemployable thugs.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Evidence of the ol&#8217; glazzies! Nothing up our sleeves, no magic little Alex! A job for two who are now of job age!</p>
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		<title>By: Roho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story also highlights the danger of being an abusive, power-hungry twit with an uncommon name.  Good luck knocking those Google rankings lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story also highlights the danger of being an abusive, power-hungry twit with an uncommon name.  Good luck knocking those Google rankings lower.</p>
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		<title>By: PW</title>
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		<dc:creator>PW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These days, the police force is little more than a WELFARE AND JOBS PROGRAM for otherwise unemployable thugs.

By every measure though, cop employment = cop welfare.

- It&#039;s completely funded by the taxpayers
- It&#039;s a government jobs program that creates an artificial surplus of positions, functions, and equipment (i.e. military tanks for a small town PD) well in excess of that which is actually demanded or needed by the public
- As a government jobs program, it tends to &quot;make work&quot; by redirecting resources into inefficient and unnecessary tasks and positions (i.e. SWAT teams for everything from the fisheries bureau on up)
- It&#039;s nearly impossible to boot somebody off the cop dole for doing anything wrong no matter how horrible it may be, and up to and including defrauding the system
- Those who defraud the system are actually rewarded with MORE cop welfare in the form of &quot;paid administrative leave&quot; for doing absolutely nothing for months on end
- Those few who do not defraud the system are penalized (such as the Utah cop in this story)
- It pays out hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime to cops who &quot;retired&quot; from the force with full benefits at the age of 45, and then never work another honest day for the next 30-40 years of their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These days, the police force is little more than a WELFARE AND JOBS PROGRAM for otherwise unemployable thugs.</p>
<p>By every measure though, cop employment = cop welfare.</p>
<p>- It&#8217;s completely funded by the taxpayers<br />
- It&#8217;s a government jobs program that creates an artificial surplus of positions, functions, and equipment (i.e. military tanks for a small town PD) well in excess of that which is actually demanded or needed by the public<br />
- As a government jobs program, it tends to &#8220;make work&#8221; by redirecting resources into inefficient and unnecessary tasks and positions (i.e. SWAT teams for everything from the fisheries bureau on up)<br />
- It&#8217;s nearly impossible to boot somebody off the cop dole for doing anything wrong no matter how horrible it may be, and up to and including defrauding the system<br />
- Those who defraud the system are actually rewarded with MORE cop welfare in the form of &#8220;paid administrative leave&#8221; for doing absolutely nothing for months on end<br />
- Those few who do not defraud the system are penalized (such as the Utah cop in this story)<br />
- It pays out hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime to cops who &#8220;retired&#8221; from the force with full benefits at the age of 45, and then never work another honest day for the next 30-40 years of their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now the shoe is on the other foot.  Now a cop gets to feel what an abuse of power feels like.  Not that it will do any good.  A pox on all their houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now the shoe is on the other foot.  Now a cop gets to feel what an abuse of power feels like.  Not that it will do any good.  A pox on all their houses.</p>
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		<title>By: perlhaqr</title>
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		<dc:creator>perlhaqr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta stop reading this site while I&#039;m depressed.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;#13    Kevin 

I’m going to throw this out: I don’t think there would be anything wrong with suspending a LEO with pay while an investigation is conducted if we had a good sense that justice would be done. If we are to presume innocence, then the officer should not be punished until wrongdoing is confirmed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think he should have a presumption of innocence in terms of criminal prosecution just like an ordinary citizen, but I think the city should have the option to fire him on the spot of they are convinced he poses a hazard to the people he is tasked with protecting.  Obviously, a less harsh response (suspension with or without pay) would certainly be permitted if the case called for it.  And, they shouldn&#039;t have to ask permission of the union before they do it.  Unions are not responsible for law enforcement or the safety of the public.   They are simply organizations formed for the sole purpose of extorting high wages and benefits out of employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#13    Kevin </p>
<p>I’m going to throw this out: I don’t think there would be anything wrong with suspending a LEO with pay while an investigation is conducted if we had a good sense that justice would be done. If we are to presume innocence, then the officer should not be punished until wrongdoing is confirmed.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think he should have a presumption of innocence in terms of criminal prosecution just like an ordinary citizen, but I think the city should have the option to fire him on the spot of they are convinced he poses a hazard to the people he is tasked with protecting.  Obviously, a less harsh response (suspension with or without pay) would certainly be permitted if the case called for it.  And, they shouldn&#8217;t have to ask permission of the union before they do it.  Unions are not responsible for law enforcement or the safety of the public.   They are simply organizations formed for the sole purpose of extorting high wages and benefits out of employers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>**and by him I mean the mayor.</description>
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