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		<title>By: Daily Links, Thursday 10/08/09 : thoughtAion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Links, Thursday 10/08/09 : thoughtAion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] police and prosecutorial misconduct from The Agitator himself, Rodney [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, the $400 laptop has a DVD burner and DVD&#039;s are getting cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the $400 laptop has a DVD burner and DVD&#8217;s are getting cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369890</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you just love all the arguments about how it will cost too much?

Laptop $400
Webcam $20
1.5 TB USB drive $200

Total cost for TONS of video = $620</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you just love all the arguments about how it will cost too much?</p>
<p>Laptop $400<br />
Webcam $20<br />
1.5 TB USB drive $200</p>
<p>Total cost for TONS of video = $620</p>
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		<title>By: John Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369885</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Michael Chaney:  Before you give Prater too much credit, look at his bio and see where he was working when that case was tried (okay, don&#039;t look: he was an Oklahoma County ADA).

Also, note what it took him to reach that conclusion: only the fact that the U.S. District Court found the witness not to be credible.  But for that finding, it seems, he would be fine with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michael Chaney:  Before you give Prater too much credit, look at his bio and see where he was working when that case was tried (okay, don&#8217;t look: he was an Oklahoma County ADA).</p>
<p>Also, note what it took him to reach that conclusion: only the fact that the U.S. District Court found the witness not to be credible.  But for that finding, it seems, he would be fine with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick H.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369882</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Karl Vinson story is depressing, and depressingly familiar. The Innocence Project is making a big difference in those rare cases when the evidence and/or testimony hasn&#039;t been completely destroyed or suppressed, or just vanished with the passing of time.

But we&#039;re left with the scumbags who railroaded the innocent for their own career advancement. And a system which rewards it. Until these good works lead to some kind of accountability, it&#039;s all just a drop in the ocean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Karl Vinson story is depressing, and depressingly familiar. The Innocence Project is making a big difference in those rare cases when the evidence and/or testimony hasn&#8217;t been completely destroyed or suppressed, or just vanished with the passing of time.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re left with the scumbags who railroaded the innocent for their own career advancement. And a system which rewards it. Until these good works lead to some kind of accountability, it&#8217;s all just a drop in the ocean.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369872</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We all came to the opinion that without Derrick Smith, we did not have a case we could prove beyond a reasonable doubt,&quot; Prater said. &quot;Because the federal court already determined him to be not credible, ethically I had problems even calling him as a witness.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, that actually made my day.  Kudos to you, Mr. Prater - we read about so much prosecutorial misconduct here that&#039;s it&#039;s nice to see someone even mention ethics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;We all came to the opinion that without Derrick Smith, we did not have a case we could prove beyond a reasonable doubt,&#8221; Prater said. &#8220;Because the federal court already determined him to be not credible, ethically I had problems even calling him as a witness.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, that actually made my day.  Kudos to you, Mr. Prater &#8211; we read about so much prosecutorial misconduct here that&#8217;s it&#8217;s nice to see someone even mention ethics.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369860</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Foobs &#124;  October 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pm 
I set the over-under on prosecutorial discipline at nothing. Anyone want to take the over?

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Depends what odds you want to give me on Space Aliens landing on the White House lawn this afternoon.</description>
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Foobs |  October 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pm<br />
I set the over-under on prosecutorial discipline at nothing. Anyone want to take the over?</p>
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<p>Depends what odds you want to give me on Space Aliens landing on the White House lawn this afternoon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369857</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and the Innocence Project.  Anyone else got any organizations that do good work that need money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and the Innocence Project.  Anyone else got any organizations that do good work that need money?</p>
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		<title>By: John Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369856</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hattio: I&#039;d guess the reason for that is fiscal.  The federal government&#039;s fiscal year ends on 30SEP, and I think most states follow the same FY.  They&#039;re getting three months, effectively, from the time money is budgeted for the cameras, which is not that bad.

Of course, the practical effect of this will be many more interrogations performed outside the police station, which will not be subject to the policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hattio: I&#8217;d guess the reason for that is fiscal.  The federal government&#8217;s fiscal year ends on 30SEP, and I think most states follow the same FY.  They&#8217;re getting three months, effectively, from the time money is budgeted for the cameras, which is not that bad.</p>
<p>Of course, the practical effect of this will be many more interrogations performed outside the police station, which will not be subject to the policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369852</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the Innocence Project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the Innocence Project.</p>
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		<title>By: hattio</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369850</link>
		<dc:creator>hattio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read through the article on Indiana&#039;s new policy.  Not required until January 1, 2011????   Boo.  January 1st, 2010 is plenty of time to buy a videocamera.  Or even July 1st.  But, it&#039;s a step in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read through the article on Indiana&#8217;s new policy.  Not required until January 1, 2011????   Boo.  January 1st, 2010 is plenty of time to buy a videocamera.  Or even July 1st.  But, it&#8217;s a step in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369849</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?citeid=60430

Read numbered paragraph 3.

ADA Miller is well before my time, but that was when Bob Macy was the district attorney in Oklahoma County and nothing that happened then would surprise me.

If you told me that prosecutors and police back then had just arrested some random guy and completely fabricated every scintilla of evidence, I&#039;d believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?citeid=60430" rel="nofollow">http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?citeid=60430</a></p>
<p>Read numbered paragraph 3.</p>
<p>ADA Miller is well before my time, but that was when Bob Macy was the district attorney in Oklahoma County and nothing that happened then would surprise me.</p>
<p>If you told me that prosecutors and police back then had just arrested some random guy and completely fabricated every scintilla of evidence, I&#8217;d believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369848</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the ACLU doesn&#039;t have a great record on the 2nd amendment, but I really encourage everyone here to donate some money to that organization as well as the Institute for Justice (IJ).  They are two best organizations out there fighting corrupt prosecutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the ACLU doesn&#8217;t have a great record on the 2nd amendment, but I really encourage everyone here to donate some money to that organization as well as the Institute for Justice (IJ).  They are two best organizations out there fighting corrupt prosecutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Clamboat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369847</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Clamboat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#1 - I was taking the under as well until I read this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In 2006 – after initial DNA testing had led the state Supreme Court to order a new trial in the case, and 11 years after Norsetter learned about Stephen Armstrong’s confession – a court order was in place requiring prosecutors to notify the defense any time evidence in the case was moved or going to be analyzed.  Norsetter violated that court order by subjecting evidence in the case to additional DNA testing. 

Those tests, which were conducted illegally, used up the biological evidence and prevented it from being available for further testing. Moreover, the type of DNA testing Norsetter ordered would not have distinguished genetic material between male relatives, rendering it useless to the defense since the principal alternate suspect was Ralph Armstrong’s brother.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#1 &#8211; I was taking the under as well until I read this:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 2006 – after initial DNA testing had led the state Supreme Court to order a new trial in the case, and 11 years after Norsetter learned about Stephen Armstrong’s confession – a court order was in place requiring prosecutors to notify the defense any time evidence in the case was moved or going to be analyzed.  Norsetter violated that court order by subjecting evidence in the case to additional DNA testing. </p>
<p>Those tests, which were conducted illegally, used up the biological evidence and prevented it from being available for further testing. Moreover, the type of DNA testing Norsetter ordered would not have distinguished genetic material between male relatives, rendering it useless to the defense since the principal alternate suspect was Ralph Armstrong’s brother.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckily they didn&#039;t execute that guy who was convicted of raping the 9 y/o girl.  It would suck if it turned out they took the life of an innocent man.  By locking the guy up for 23 years, they only took about a third of his life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckily they didn&#8217;t execute that guy who was convicted of raping the 9 y/o girl.  It would suck if it turned out they took the life of an innocent man.  By locking the guy up for 23 years, they only took about a third of his life.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369841</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Indiana thing about requiring video taped questioning is one of the most encouraging news items I&#039;ve seen on this site.

If only they would be so aggressive in discouraging the cops from interfering with ordinary people recording police activities.  If recording police activity during interrogations advances the cause of justice, then there should be no doubt that recording police activities everywhere else does the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Indiana thing about requiring video taped questioning is one of the most encouraging news items I&#8217;ve seen on this site.</p>
<p>If only they would be so aggressive in discouraging the cops from interfering with ordinary people recording police activities.  If recording police activity during interrogations advances the cause of justice, then there should be no doubt that recording police activities everywhere else does the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369834</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s like we have a giant bastille and we&#039;re at the mercy of a bunch of asshole bureaucrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s like we have a giant bastille and we&#8217;re at the mercy of a bunch of asshole bureaucrats.</p>
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		<title>By: MDGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/10/08/innocence-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-369831</link>
		<dc:creator>MDGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news from Indiana sounded good until I read this:

&quot;Seven exceptions to the recording rule include statements made during routine bookings, a suspect&#039;s refusal to talk on tape, &lt;i&gt;malfunctioning equipment&lt;/i&gt; and &quot;substantial exigent circumstances&quot; that prevent recording or preservation of the footage.&quot; (my emphasis)

I have a feeling there&#039;s going to be a lot of malfunctioning camera&#039;s in Indiana...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news from Indiana sounded good until I read this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Seven exceptions to the recording rule include statements made during routine bookings, a suspect&#8217;s refusal to talk on tape, <i>malfunctioning equipment</i> and &#8220;substantial exigent circumstances&#8221; that prevent recording or preservation of the footage.&#8221; (my emphasis)</p>
<p>I have a feeling there&#8217;s going to be a lot of malfunctioning camera&#8217;s in Indiana&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Foobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I set the over-under on prosecutorial discipline at nothing.  Anyone want to take the over?</description>
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