Morning Links

Monday, October 5th, 2009
  • Separated at birth: Sterling-Cooper accounts head Ken Cosgrove; Cato Institute foreign policy scholar Chris Preble.
  • This is kind of delicious.
  • Gallery of 1970s playgrounds.
  • The Baltimore Sun looks at the world of drug informants.
  • And about halfway through, Roman Polanski offers you a glass of wine.
  • Thug turkeys.
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    53 Responses to “Morning Links”

    1. #1 |  Cornellian | 

      CO-accounts head. Pete Campbell will be mortally offended.

    2. #2 |  Cornellian | 

      CO-accounts head. Pete Campbell will be mortally offended.

    3. #3 |  Cornellian | 

      I swear I hit “submit” only once. Not sure why that posted twice.

    4. #4 |  Tokin42 | 

      And about halfway through, Roman Polanski offers you a glass of wine.

      +1

    5. #5 |  MG | 

      regarding Ahmedinejad – is that good or bad? Makes sense. the only people I know who bad mouth Jews the way he does are other Jews. He should make a guest appearance on Curb Your Enthusiasm.

    6. #6 |  Ben | 

      Back to the old comment system huh?

    7. #7 |  Kyle | 

      About Ahmadinejad, why does it look like this story was first mentioned in January (quick google search) and is now only gaining traction now?

    8. #8 |  Spidergrackle | 

      Rape tunnel? Oh no, it’s “Getting hit on the head lessons” in here. You want 12A, next door.

    9. #9 |  Gabriel | 

      The Rape Tunnel is, as should be obvious from the outset, a hoax.

    10. #10 |  Parker | 

      Ah, normal comments! Huzzah! K.I.S.S. please!

    11. #11 |  scott in phx az | 

      The fact that A-jad may have Jewish roots is not a shame for him in the eyes of Islam.

      Islam is not like the Nazi bigotry towards Jews (though the hatred of Jews and Christians is the basis of Islam). A Nazi would be shamed to have Jewish blood – indeed if you were 1/8 Jewish you were Jewish – and could not be redeemed (become a Nazi).

      Whereas in Islam you can convert. It may be a mark of pride for A-jad. See, my family converted – we CHOSE Islam, see – we’re better.

      The Nazi’s didn’t give you that choice (with a few exceptions).

      That said – Islam still wants you dead if you won’t convert.

    12. #12 |  Dave Krueger | 

      I have no doubt that there would be some who would enter the rape tunnel expecting to be raped. Instead of calling it a rape tunnel, maybe he should call it the GIVE-ME-AN-STD-TUNNEL.

    13. #13 |  Dave Krueger | 

      Those playgrounds would probably be viewed by today’s lawyers as a second lake home.

    14. #14 |  Michael Chaney | 

      I always post at the wrong time. From the last thread:

      http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/05/texas.sniffer.dogs.controversy/index.html

      Dogs sniff out wrong suspect; scent lineups questioned

      In this case, the “wrong suspect” was a deputy sheriff. It’s interesting to hear him complain about the interrogation.

    15. #15 |  tarran | 

      The Rape tunnel looks suspiciously like a wind tunnel at a facility owned by Gevers Aircraft:

      5 X 7 Wind Tunnel

    16. #16 |  Bill | 

      The giveaway on “The Rape Tunnel” was when he said his previous project was the “Punch You In The Face Tunnel”. I just don’t see anybody calling themselves an “artist” coming up with that title. A hoaxer or satirist, though…

    17. #17 |  Dave Krueger | 

      Surely someone with the integrity of a career criminal would never provide unreliable information in exchange for a five or six figure cash sum.

    18. #18 |  Dave Krueger | 

      #16 Bill

      The giveaway on “The Rape Tunnel” was when he said his previous project was the “Punch You In The Face Tunnel”. I just don’t see anybody calling themselves an “artist” coming up with that title. A hoaxer or satirist, though…

      Hoaxers are different from artists? At one of the museums in DC or NYC I once saw a big square canvas painted entirely red. It was called Red Square.

      Personally, I think artists have a club where they compete to see who can sell the most outrageous idea as art.

    19. #19 |  omar | 

      Islam still wants you dead if you won’t convert

      guns don’t kill people, people do, etc etc. same goes for religions. or to quote the great zappa, my guitar wants to kill your mamma.

      that said, there are around 1.5 billion Muslims who don’t agree with you. there are, however, some that do. they belong to organizations like Al Quada. please allow me to commit a logical fallacy and suggest perhaps you have more in common with those people than you would care to admit. by the way, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

      are you shamefully stupid or just a baiting troll?

    20. #20 |  Bill | 

      Granted, Dave. I guess I was factoring in the pretentiousness that it would take to create a work of art like “The Rape Tunnel”. There are artists who have a sense of humor. The difference is whether or not you’re aware of the silliness.

    21. #21 |  Cynical In CA | 

      “Thug turkeys.”

      Not much worse than the NJ State Troopers frankly.

      New Jersey, you get what you deserve.

      21 years in CA and counting. Never going back.

    22. #22 |  Big Chief | 

      In my heart of hearts, and especially since Burns’ National Parks series is just over, I loved the video of the turkey attacks. It’s nice to see easterners struggling with wildlife. They’re TURKEYS for god’s sake. And I just imagine lots of these people are the same ones who decry westerners for shooting wolves or bears for roaming near their houses and herds.

      I don’t recall who said it, but some politico or pundit requested during the Clinton administration that every acre of land taken by the government in the west be offset by taking an equal amount in the east. Why isn’t Manhattan being returned to its natural state after all.

      Turkeys – heh, heh.

    23. #23 |  Mike Leatherwood | 

      I loved the “Rocket” at a local park. In fact, to most the park was known as “Rocket Park”. You couldn’t climb up all the way into the cone most of the time because yellowjackets would nest there.

      I recently drove by that park. The rocket is gone, replaced by a confusing confab of plastic and wood. Plastic slides do not.

    24. #24 |  Tokin42 | 

      Omar is right. The “convert or die” theme in islam is only in regards to conversion out of their religion, otherwise it’s your choice of conversion or enslavement which is completely different than what scott suggests.

    25. #25 |  Tokin42 | 

      #23

      There is a park in cincinnati that was part of an old airport (Lunken) that had a lot of old metal rocket themed equipment. I was looking for pics through google but it looks like they’ve replaced all of them with the new and improved plastic crap. Sometimes modernization sucks.

    26. #26 |  Stephen | 

      I could fix that turkey problem real quick. Isn’t Thanksgiving coming up soon?

    27. #27 |  omar | 

      Thanks, Tokin. I’ll be sure to let me practicing Muslum dad and practicing Christian mom they are ok to not kill each other as long as mamma don’t convert, then convert back. I never picked a religion, so I’m sure both sides could claim me as an apostate, although my old man has been unsuccessfully at killing me thusfar, as have the rest of my galebaya wearing uncles or hijabed cousins who keep inviting me over for family gatherings.

      Lumping the worldwide Muslim population in with Al Quiada is like lumping methodists in with the Spanish Inquisition. It’s just a play on words. Anyone who says “all __A_ are __B_” when A is people > 1,000,000,000 and B is a cultural adjective is saying something dumb.

      To address your particular critique of the religion, I would only point to these people. From a literal reading of the Bible, those people aren’t that far off. You also shouldn’t sit in a chair where a menstruating woman has sat.

      There are a lot of strange and bad things written in all mainstream religious books. It’s up to the followers to choose which ones they will follow and which ones they won’t. Assuming you are a decent person and don’t brand all Christians as fag-haters, I would ask you extend the same courtesy to the Muslims of the world.

    28. #28 |  JJH2 | 

      I’m sorry, but only in a wealthy suburb like Cherry Hill would a neighborhood be terrorized by aggressive turkeys. One person with a baseball bat or garden shovel should be more than enough to remind the entire area just which creature gets stuffed and eaten on Thanksgiving.

    29. #29 |  omar | 

      One person with a baseball bat or garden shovel should be more than enough to remind the entire area just which creature gets stuffed and eaten on Thanksgiving.

      Ha! I was thinking the same thing. “Lady, swing that bike a little harder and your Problems will run down the street!”

    30. #30 |  Ben | 

      And I just imagine lots of these people are the same ones who decry westerners for shooting wolves or bears for roaming near their houses and herds.

      Killing turkeys and killing top predators are two completely different things. I have no problem with people around here (I live in CT) killing deer (hooray!), turkeys, rabbits, squirrels, etc.

      However, when you tell me you killed a coyote, bobcat, bear, fox or (I’m told they’re around) a mountain lion, I’m going to call you an idiot and call the DEP.

    31. #31 |  Jeff | 

      WRT Ahmadinejad: unfortunately, not so much.

      Two hoaxes in one link dump – impressive ;-)

    32. #32 |  Michael Chaney | 

      Two hoaxes in one link dump – impressive ;-)

      At least we get to use the old comment system to bitch about it…

    33. #33 |  scott in phx az | 

      Tokin42,

      sooooory, my “mistake”. Islam wants you enslaved or dead if you don’t convert. yeah, real important point. I’ll let you ask the Copts in Egypt, or the remaining few Christians in Iraq or Pakistan (for that matter in Indonesia or Malaysia as those countries become increasingly Islamic) how that difference works out for them.

      Omar,

      I didn’t say that “Muslims want you dead”. So, your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills (or lack thereof) suggest why you so quickly devolve into name-calling.

    34. #34 |  JJH2 | 

      #33

      “Islam” like “Christianity,” “Judaism,” “Buddhism,” etc is a set of doctrines that human beings pick and choose from to determine how they act and what they believe. “Islam” doesn’t want or need anything except in the sense that various adherents to Islam adopt certain doctrines. In other words, the only sense in which “Islam” can want someone dead is if various Muslim adherents want you dead. Of course, it’s silly to pretend that all Muslims choose to emphasize or believe all of the same doctrines that could potentially make up the religion – just like it’s silly to believe that all Christians (say, Quakers and Crusaders) believe all of the same parts of Christianity.

      I know several American, comfortably middle-class Muslims. They have very little interest in converting or killing the non-Muslim world, and a lot of interest in ensuring that they have good jobs, that their children have good educations, and that they have safe neighborhoods to live in – just like everyone else.

    35. #35 |  omar | 

      scott,

      I’ll let you ask the Copts in Egypt, or the remaining few Christians in Iraq or Pakistan

      the situation sucks in a lot of ways for them. i know this because they have told me. we are friends because of our common culture and language. it doesn’t “help” them to pretend the problem is all of Islam, if that is what you are implying.

      I didn’t say that “Muslims want you dead”.
      actually, you lost me. please, explain your point so i can understand it.

    36. #36 |  Bob | 

      The Turkey video:

      “Grand theft: Bicycle”

      It’s probably a fucking FEDERAL CRIME to kill a turkey that attacks you.

      I was attacked by a pair of Swans at an apartment house I used to live at. I gave them the right of way. I didn’t even want a piece of the shitstorm that would have come my way if I hurt one of them.

      Helpful hint: Swans are really strong! But they can’t punch through a briefcase. So use your briefcase as a shield.

    37. #37 |  Tokin42 | 

      Omar,

      Islam is unlike any other major religion and apologists/moral relativists annoy me. I’m not trying to insult the religion of your father, only point out his religion is as close to organized evil as you can get and I used the word “evil” intentionally. Islam is a religious form of fascism. The complete and total lack “free will” moves it out of the fairy tale realm and into the evil category.

      Don’t get too insulted, gay priests/ministers, the phelps clan and their ilk who call themselves “christians” piss me off too. The only difference is their religion calls for them to convert me while your fathers religion calls for my death as an apostate. Just because your father hasn’t tried to kill me doesn’t change the fact that his religion (sunni and shia both) says it’s not only acceptable but that he’s duty bound to fulfill my death sentence. What bothers me are the hoops people will jump through to validate their beliefs, trying to make their religion fit their lifestyle. It doesn’t work that way. Any gay christian has to know their religion says they’re going to hell, any gay muslim has to know their religion says they have to go to hell TODAY. You either believe the theology of your religion or you don’t. People don’t get to pick and choose what portions they’re going to abide by and then call themselves something they aren’t.

      BTW, Muslim men are allowed to marry christian women although if they want to move to saudi arabia your mom will have to renounce her religion and convert. I know this because my sister, a xtian preachers kid, has lived there married to a saudi for almost 3 decades now. If you want to forever disabuse yourself of the myth of “moderate muslim”, I’d suggest you wander around jeddah for a few days, just don’t mention “christianity” or tell anyone you’re an atheist.

    38. #38 |  Tokin42 | 

      #33 Scott,

      I was being sarcastic, sorry about forgetting the tag.

      #34 JJH2,

      No they aren’t. If you’re gay and you call yourself a christian you have to know your religion says you’re going to hell. There isn’t anything to debate. If you want to believe only portions of the theology then you shouldn’t be running around calling yourself an adherent. Every major religion, except Islam, calls for the follower to come to the correct conclusion on their own, i.e. “free will”. That difference alone should tell you all you need to know about islam. I wouldn’t let a Klan member try to tell me that portions of their beliefs are good so it doesn’t mean they’re racist or anything when they don their white robes just like I’m not about to let a muslim tell me his religion loves me. Bullshit is bullshit.

    39. #39 |  omar | 

      What bothers me are the hoops people will jump through to validate their beliefs, trying to make their religion fit their lifestyle.

      Well, why the hell not? Society changes. Books don’t. You have three alternatives:

      1) abandon all religion to rationality
      2) accommodate your beliefs to your lifestyle
      3) practice your religion strictly in all cases

      Option 1 is just fine with me. You say it’s not possible for #2, but that’s exactly what’s been done in every single religion on the planet that spans more than one culture and a few years. Christians usually don’t kill the people who the bible tells them to kill because killing strangers for non-crimes is not part of our culture.

      And about Saudi, how can you call the “moderate Muslim” a myth and use a medialess theocracy as your gold standard? I think the Muslims of Singapore would disagree, probably with plenty of moderation.

      As usual, when responding you, I’m left scratching my head trying to figure out “your point” by arguing with your statements one by one. So what is your point? Islam is eviler than other religions because it says “kill” in worse places? The followers of Islam are evil because they want to kill? Or are they all evil because they are supposed to kill but have too much moral relativism floating around to go through with it.

    40. #40 |  omar | 

      Tokin,

      Never mind. You finally spelled it out in post #34.

      Holler!

    41. #41 |  Billy | 

      “Sabourjian” sounds like an Armenian name to me… Not that it makes Ahmadinejad’s ancestry any less curious, but it’s a mostly Christian country (with some Jews).

      Back to the old comment system huh?

      Yay !!

      But, when I tried to increase the karma for this comment, I got a message saying, “Error. Try again later.”

    42. #42 |  scott in phx az | 

      Tokin42,

      Sorry, realized that after looking at all your posts.

      Full disclosure – I’m not religious though I was baptized a Methodist. I don’t care what fantasy anyone wants to believe unless the fantasy justifes child-rape or flying airliners into buildings. I think the Morman polygamists should be prosecuted until there are no more girl-children being being born and bred into a life of sexual slavery but at least I don’t have to worry about them strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up at the local grocery store.

      Omar,

      My point related to the “theology” of Islam (Islam of course is not a religion – it is a violent political ideology – I liken it to a death cult married to a crime syndicate) not Muslims.

      Ergo, your reply that “1.5 billion Muslims” don’t want to kill me in no way proves that Islam is not a “religion” that wants me dead.

      You must scratch your head a lot. But then, see my prior comment about you abilities.

    43. #43 |  KBCraig | 

      Best news of the day: The old comments are back!

      This system has problems, and I’d like to see a new method for comments, but that LivePodium mess was horrible!

    44. #44 |  Tokin42 | 

      Omar,

      Not to retract anything I’ve said regarding Islam as a philosophy, but I didn’t want to come across as insulting your family. Sometimes I ramble, especially when I’m working while trying to tap out a rant, and if I insulted you I apologize. I do understand there are plenty of good people who believe Islam is a peaceful, respectful religion it’s just that I think there are 1600 years of evidence to the contrary. I don’t hate religion, I hate poseurs.

    45. #45 |  Big Chief | 

      #30 – Thanks for making my point. Animals near you, OK to kill. Animals near others, they have to show discretion. If you’re sincere in your concern for top predators, then show it by pushing to get some located near you to cut down on the deer that plague you so much. Offer your own property as a “bear sanctuary.”

      I’m not in favor of indiscriminate killing of these animals, but I find it interesting how quickly those who don’t have to deal with them are to lash out at those who do and take steps to protect themselves and property, almost always after multiple failures of government agencies to do their jobs. No one wants to say it, but this stuff is the ultimate NIMBY issue.

    46. #46 |  JJH2 | 

      #38

      It’s apparent that your philosophy of religion is rather shallow. What, exactly, constitutes a religion? The Bible is not “Christianity,” and Christianity is not “the Bible.” Even if it were, what constitutes “the Bible” has been determined, over centuries, by groups of human beings acting in a capacity for which there is little Biblical authority. Nothing about the Bible itself compels you to read Genesis or Revelations literally, or symbolically, or mythically. Rather, these are interpretive decisions made by human beings. You pretend as if one interpretation is glaringly obvious – but it’s not clear why you think so. There is no contradiction in believing that various books in the Bible are inspired by God, but channeled through human beings with their own context, prejudices and sensibilities. You may think this is a watered-down version of some theoretically pure Christianity, but you have offered no justification for believing one method of interpretation is more “correct” than another.

    47. #47 |  Aresen | 

      With regard to the “Turkey Peril”, turkeys, especially toms, are stupid, aggressive, nasty birds. Compared to turkeys, geese are friendly and welcoming.

      If there is a creature that deserves to be killed, cooked and eaten, it is a turkey. Melagricide does not bother me in the least.

      I keep hoping that some year, instead of ‘pardoning’ the traditional turkey given to the President, the CinC whacks its head off in front of the camera.

    48. #48 |  Spidergrackle | 

      @Bob #36:

      Gotta agree with you on the swans. Had a run in with one of them when I was trout fishing: up to my waist in the water. They’re even more of a handful when they’re at eye level with you and your movement is hampered. I wasn’t injured, but it was not fun.

    49. #49 |  Tokin42 | 

      #46

      My view of religion isn’t shallow, it’s realistic. We all know what the texts say and we all know the context. The reason we don’t hear widespread condemnation of Islamic terrorist groups within islamic states is because they all agree with the basic doctrine. Contrary to popular belief Al-queda isn’t preaching some far out view of Islam, the vast majority of their beliefs re: sharia are mainstream. The only big difference is whether woman are to be totally subjugated and forced to cover themselves head to toe or just partially covered and which lawbreaking requires instant death and which require just a firm beating. You seem to be trying to find a thousand shades of gray in christianity and somehow apply that to a completely different value set. Christian literalists are Amish, Islamic literalists blow shit up.

      BTW, I didn’t say ALL things are glaringly obvious. I used homosexuality and heresy as examples because that is obvious, based on both religions, what the punishment is for the behavior. One religion says you get to go to hell, the other says you have to go to hell NOW.

    50. #50 |  Billy | 

      Hmm… Another British newspaper weighs in on Ahmadinejad’s ancestry:

      Ahmadinejad has no Jewish roots
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/05/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-jewish-family

    51. #51 |  LivingPre911Still | 

      A friend of mine had 2 Tom Turkeys with a reputation for being mean… He told each person that visited to get out of their car and kick one of the turkeys as hard as they could in the chest… otherwise the turkeys would do the same as soon as they turned their backs… he said 20% of the people kicked a turkey and 80% wish they’d kicked a turkey… a 20 pound bird with sharp spurs can poke some serious holes….

    52. #52 |  Andrew Williams | 

      Thumps up to Omar for his grokking of Korzybski’s General Semantics. If only more people would. (Excluding the 90 percent of commentors here who aren’t trolls.)

    53. #53 |  Andrew Williams | 

      Re the real dope on how snitches are paid: Does Dick Wolf know this? Maybe it would help make his piece of shit “Lawnorder” shows more realistic.

      Bring back “Homicide” !!!

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