Morning Links

Friday, October 2nd, 2009
  • Don’t blame you, Penn. Padma Lakshmi would get me tongue-tied, too.
  • Co-founder of Feminist Majority okay with Roman Polanski’s rape. A few people have emailed to ask what I make of the Polanski affair. I think he ought to go to prison. And Hollywood’s defense of him is pretty disgusting. That Woody Allen signed a petition calling for Polanski to be freed would be hilarious were we not talking about, you know, a drugging and raping.
  • British government considering mandating plastic pint glasses in pubs.
  • Puppycide.
  • The gas masks are a bit much, don’t you think?
  • Here’s more on the Ukrainian woman who created those stunning sand animations.
  • L.A. mandates graffiti-proof homes.
  • Mississippi judge convicts Motorhome Diaries crew on all counts.
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    1. #1 |  Highway | 

      Everything about that smoking case is a bit much. The most sensitive people in the world shouldn’t be living in a residence where they might come in contact with other people. I especially like the ‘Everything we have is custom, and now it all has to be reupholstered.’

      I lost sympathy for them really fast.

    2. #2 |  IrishMike | 

      My vague notions of the Polanski case were along the lines of he had sex with a fifteen or so year old girl who probably looked, acted and said she was twenty and the sex was arguably consensual. The arrest has provided a refresher course on the fact that she was thirteen, was transported to a remote location, plied with drugs and alcohol, resisted and was by all accounts forcibly raped. Send him to jail.

    3. #3 |  Nando | 

      My only problem with the Polanski case is that the Swiss arrested him in a supposed neutral country. The only reason it pisses me of is because I think they’re trying to make nice with the US over all the tax avoidance BS tha UBS was involved in. Otherwise, I think they wouldn’t have done a thing.

      As for what he did, tho, I think he deserves a new trial. There are enough accusations about the prosecutor and judge misbehaving to warrant one. If he’s found guilty again, then he should go to jail.

    4. #4 |  SJE | 

      The MHD crew should be glad that Steven Hayne didn’t testify that they also killed someone.

    5. #5 |  Marty | 

      Kseniya Simonova, the mhd guys, and Penn are all badasses for the way they express their art… Fantastic stuff!

    6. #6 |  Marty | 

      by ‘fantastic stuff’ I mean their art- not the bullshit they address with their art…

    7. #7 |  Jeff | 

      FWIW, most of the feminist bloggers I’ve come across have voiced their condemnation of Polanski. The Feminist Majority founder appears to be in the minority among her ideological peers.

    8. #8 |  Michael Chaney | 

      My issue with the Polanski case is that Polanski apparently shouldn’t be in jail, because he had made a plea bargain with the prosecutor to get basically no jail time for pleading guilty to a single charge of sex with a minor. I find that appalling.

      This isn’t just statutory rape – he drugged and raped the girl, in at least two ways. There were originally 6 charges against him, and these are charges that would have sent anyone else to jail for years, if not decades.

      The real question here is why did this guy get such soft treatment? Put another way, how many other men in LA in 1977 raped 13 year old girls and ended up with probation? Probably none. How many of those rapists were in a position where they were out on bail and could flee? Again, probably none.

      So, yeah, Polanski should face charges for fleeing. The others involved (I know the judge is dead) should also be investigated for their role in making sure Polanski never had to do time for his heinous crime.

    9. #9 |  JS | 

      Nando “My only problem with the Polanski case is that the Swiss arrested him in a supposed neutral country. The only reason it pisses me of is because I think they’re trying to make nice with the US over all the tax avoidance BS tha UBS was involved in. Otherwise, I think they wouldn’t have done a thing.”

      Yea that’s the first thing I thought of too. I couldn’t care less about Polanski but its scary to think that LAPD has jurisdiction over people in foreign countries now. If they can come after Polanski then what would happen if you wanted to leave America and they trumped up some reason to demand your return?

    10. #10 |  Michael Chaney | 

      One more thing – like Radley I am sickened and disgusted by the liberal elite running to Polanski’s side. Whoopi Goldberg’s claim of “it wasn’t rape rape”, suggesting it was just statutory rape but consensual, was just disgusting.

      One of the things we see here over and over again is that people will excuse almost any act perpetrated by someone that they see as part of their “group”. Cops cover for bad cops (see Drew Peterson, etc.), priests cover for pedophiles, conservatives will explain for hours how it’s okay that Rush was a drug addict – that’s different!, the list goes on and on.

    11. #11 |  Tsu Dho Nihm | 

      Polanski’s crime is pretty damned reprehensible. But considering three facts – it was 30 years ago, there were some seriously strange things going on in the prosecution, and the victim filed papers earlier this year to have the case dismissed – I’m not sure there’s much of a point to keeping the case alive.

      I have a bit of sympathy for the people in the smoking case, after living in an apartment for a couple of months above a couple of guys who smoked so much that my apartment smelled like an ash tray. They’re seriously going overboard with the whole thing, though.

    12. #12 |  Jozef | 

      Plastic pint glasses – sorry, but for me this is the most outrageous story of the day. Nothing else would’ve chased me out of pubs faster than plastic beer glasses. That said, I avoid the UK anyway, but if this spreads elsewhere in Europe my social life would be ruined.

      As for the Polanski case, I only know what the media reported on the plea bargain. If I learned anything from this site it is never to trust plea bargains and never to believe the media. As such, I can’t create an educated opinion on the issue.

    13. #13 |  dave smith | 

      Roman Polanski is a violent criminal. Period. He should be locked up and the key thrown away. When you compare his treatment with the treatment some people in the country get for consensual acts (a 17 year old having consensual sex with a 16 year old, then labled a sex offender, for instance) one wonders how justice could become so unbalanced.

      I guess it pays to be a famous liberal. Can you imagine the reaction from the feminist community if Dick Cheaney would have done this?

    14. #14 |  Scooby | 

      Nando- Swiss neutrality means they aren’t signed up to go to war with one alliance or another. It doesn’t mean that they are a safe haven for every scumsack that can make it across the border.

    15. #15 |  Zargon | 

      Yes, Polanski’s rape was evil. Yes, the people defending him are disgusting.

      That said, the motivation behind this case has nothing to do with the victim. The victim would rather the entire circus disappear so she can get back to living her life. The motivation for this case is a nice, high-profile case for the prosecutor, and some good, old-fashioned revenge on a bad guy. Revenge intended not to soothe the victim, but the spectators.

      That’s a problem, and one without an easy solution.

    16. #16 |  Andrew S. | 

      Zargon — Agreed 100%, and that’s my dilemma with this whole thing.

    17. #17 |  jppatter | 

      #9

      I couldn’t care less about Polanski but its scary to think that LAPD has jurisdiction over people in foreign countries now. If they can come after Polanski then what would happen if you wanted to leave America and they trumped up some reason to demand your return?

      I would be a lot more worried about that if Polanski had not pled guilty to drugging and raping a 13 year old. There is nothing “trumped up” about that. And anytime a confessed felon flees the country to escape punishment then, yes, he should be returned to the country.

    18. #18 |  Scott | 

      OT a bit, but wasn’t sure where else to post this. Here’s some very interesting (and disturbing) police misconduct statistics/information, with some nice graphs and explanations:

      http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=1013

    19. #19 |  Matt D | 

      he motivation for this case is a nice, high-profile case for the prosecutor, and some good, old-fashioned revenge on a bad guy. Revenge intended not to soothe the victim, but the spectators.

      And by spectators I assume you mean all the poor fucks out there who, when accused of a crime, don’t have the resources to flee the country, co-opt a sympathetic press into making their victim’s life a living hell, probably pay her off on top of that, and spend 30 years rubbing everyone’s face in it.

      Sorry, but this isn’t just a case of an attention whore DA and somebody’s mad revenge fantasies. It’s a case of basic justice and equality under the law.

    20. #20 |  Matt D | 

      #8–

      As I understand it, that’s basically what the judge thought as well, and why he was going to throw out the plea bargain.

    21. #21 |  Cynical In CA | 

      “That Woody Allen signed a petition calling for Polanski to be freed would be hilarious were we not talking about, you know, a drugging and raping.”

      Q: What does Woody Allen have in common with Kodak film and Arm & Hammer baking soda?

      A: They all come in little yellow boxes.

    22. #22 |  Cynical In CA | 

      What can be said about puppycide that has not already?

      As the U.S. Depts. of State and Defense create terrorists worldwide by their actions, so too do police officers in the cities and towns of colonized Amerika create lifelong haters of LEOs.

      What a damnably rotten fucking system that chews up 10-year-olds and digests them and shits them out.

      That’s all the caring I’m going to do today. I want to have a good weekend.

    23. #23 |  mark robbins | 

      “That said, the motivation behind this case has nothing to do with the victim. The victim would rather the entire circus disappear so she can get back to living her life.”

      When you flee from justice, especially the justice coming to you for the crime of forcibly sodomizing children (yes in the butt), you make society your victim. This guy is literally scum, who admittedly continued to rape kids after he was ‘in exile’ from charges that he forcibly raped kids (its in his memoir!). That people associate with him, watch his movies, and defend him is troubling to say the least.

    24. #24 |  mark robbins | 

      “If they can come after Polanski then what would happen if you wanted to leave America and they trumped up some reason to demand your return?”

      Srsly?

    25. #25 |  Boyd Durkin | 

      Polanski isn’t about sex with a minor. It is about the citizen always paying the State.

    26. #26 |  Boyd Durkin | 

      Fled from the legal system, not justice.

    27. #27 |  mark robbins | 

      “Fled from the legal system, not justice.”

      In what sense did he not flee from justice?

    28. #28 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

      “Roman Polanski is a violent criminal. Period. He should be locked up and the key thrown away.”
      Oh please, spare us the sanctimonious drivel.
      Do you want to lock up Debra Lafave for life too?

      Tolerance is part of any State, US or otherwise.
      We don’t lock people up here for life for statutory rape.
      Nor should we.

    29. #29 |  Aresen | 

      CHICAGO LOSES OLYMPIC BID!

      (USA wins.)

    30. #30 |  Wayne | 

      “•Co-founder of Feminist Majority okay with Roman Polanski’s rape.”

      I’m OK with it too, as long as it will be long, slow, and painful for him in a prison shower.

    31. #31 |  mark robbins | 

      “We don’t lock people up here for life for statutory rape.”

      It wasn’t statutory. It was forcible. That she happened to be 13 exacerbates the crime, it does not mitigate.

    32. #32 |  Boyd Durkin | 

      “Whoopi Goldberg’s claim of “it wasn’t rape rape”, suggesting it was just statutory rape but consensual, was just disgusting.”

      But, in reality there is a difference between being ass-raped with a gun in your mouth by a violent dude saying he’s going to kill you (and then punching and choking you until you pass out) and consensual sex among sexually active people (even if one is undersage). There IS a difference.

      Not all of what the legal system calls rape is the same even though our amazing republic treats it pretty much all the same for political reasons.

      Let’s save “disgusting” for things that deserve the label. Hopefully the last time we see Whoopi quoted here.

      Personally, I’m not a supporter of Polanski, liberal Hollywood, the State, or the Swiss on this matter.

    33. #33 |  Zargon | 

      #19
      And by spectators I assume you mean all the poor fucks out there who, when accused of a crime, don’t have the resources to flee the country, co-opt a sympathetic press into making their victim’s life a living hell, probably pay her off on top of that, and spend 30 years rubbing everyone’s face in it.

      I mean the people like you who see the victim’s wishes as entirely irrelevant in their call for the blood of an evil man.

    34. #34 |  mark robbins | 

      “and consensual sex among sexually active people (even if one is undersage).”

      And neither one of those scenarios is operative for our discussion. Please see the actual case and the events as they were stiuplated by a court of law. Perhaps once you learn the details you won’t say such stupid things.

    35. #35 |  Boyd Durkin | 

      Eat it, Mark Robbins. Try reading for comprehension first, then learn to follow an argument.

    36. #36 |  MacGregory | 

      #22 Cynical
      “That’s all the caring I’m going to do today. I want to have a good weekend.”
      I’m on board with that. I have an impromptu class reunion tonight and I’m going to do my best not to drag any of this shit in there with me. Except for the Woody Allen joke, ofcourse.

    37. #37 |  Cynical In CA | 

      I find it interesting that this Polanski man inspires such bile in these comments. It’s not even clear to me that anyone agrees on the facts, let alone the opinions.

      He’s one man, yesterday’s news, a pathetic has-been. With all the systemic violence in the world, really, who has time or energy to give a shit? Or is that the point, that he’s low-hanging fruit?

      Roman Polanski doesn’t even merit a mention on this blog, IMHO. The Agitator as gossip sheet?

    38. #38 |  Zargon | 

      #23
      This guy is literally scum, who admittedly continued to rape kids

      Did the local authorities never bother to do something about that? If he continued to commit crimes and be a menace to society and the local authorities never bothered to do anything about it, then I’m somewhat more sympathetic to doing this than if this was a one-time deal.

      Assuming, of course, that proof of said accusation exists.

    39. #39 |  MacGregory | 

      One look at Whoopi Goldberg could counteract any erectile dysfunction drug currently on the market.

    40. #40 |  mark robbins | 

      “that proof of said accusation exists”

      There is an excellent article on reason.com about it, taken from his memoir, of all places.

    41. #41 |  scottp | 

      If the ladies in the gas masks lived next to me, all their shit would smell like weed.

    42. #42 |  Dave Krueger | 

      Fining home owners who get victimized by graffiti artists is an extension of the current law legislative strategy of making criminals out of people who don’t commit crimes, but are easier to catch.

      I bet the porn industry is laughing their asses off having been subject to exactly that kind of perverse sense of justice for years.

    43. #43 |  Brian | 

      Boyd clearly hasn’t read the grand jury testimony in the case. It was rape in at least three ways that I can see. A) She said “No. Stop.” at every level of sexual interaction and yet Polanski did not stop. That makes it rape regardless of anything else. B) She was intoxicated with drugs and alcohol, meaning she wouldn’t have been capable of consenting even if she had been able to legally consent which C) she couldn’t because she was 13 at the time. That Polanski didn’t hold a gun to her head means jack shit since she’s a 13 yo girl and he was a 44 yo man. What the fuck kind of world do you live in where any of the above is remotely equivalent with consensual sex? Anyone doing any of the above, especially all at once definitely as well as those who defend such actions deserves the “disgusting” title and more.

    44. #44 |  dave smith | 

      To everyone who is citing the fact that the victim in the RoPol case wants the case closed and forgot, would you use the “victim’s wishes” argument is cases where a victim’s family was calling for the death penalty?

      Even though judges sometimes get input from victims and victim’s families, the state procutes crime (for better or worse) in our country based on current statutes. Victims don’t get to choose punishment or guilt.

    45. #45 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

      “Victims don’t get to choose punishment or guilt.”

      Actually, they do in a lot of cases; if they do not “choose” it they at least influence it.
      In domestic battery cases, for example, cases with a victim who
      later cozies up to the accused and recants will most likely lead to dropped charges.

    46. #46 |  Brian | 

      “But, in reality there is a difference between being ass-raped with a gun in your mouth by a violent dude saying he’s going to kill you (and then punching and choking you until you pass out) and consensual sex among sexually active people (even if one is undersage). There IS a difference.”

      So in your eyes Boyd, the fact that he got a 13 year drunk and high with champagne and qualudes, and then had oral, vaginal, and anal sex with her while she repeatedly told him to stop is consensual? You have a very twisted view of reality.

    47. #47 |  J sub D | 

      The gas masks are a bit much, don’t you think?

      What a greedy, whiny, litigious bitch.

    48. #48 |  J sub D | 

      L.A. mandates graffiti-proof homes.

      Punish the victim. Everytbody wins!

      Now if the LA council wished to legalize property owners shooting vandals/taggers caught in the act I might be able to get onboard.

    49. #49 |  J sub D | 

      Neutral country means you don’t take sides in war.

      It does not mean haven for child rapists, murederers or thieves.

    50. #50 |  Mike T | 

      Polanski isn’t about sex with a minor. It is about the citizen always paying the State.

      Boyd, you need to STHU and read the details of the case. Polanski drugged her, sexually assaulted her orally and vaginally and anally raped her. She maintained from the beginning that she explicitly told him she was not consenting to anything he was doing.

    51. #51 |  Mary | 

      Forget Polanski. The MH Diary guys got screwed here in the US!

    52. #52 |  J sub D | 

      Simonova has told interviewers she is happy to stay in Evpatoria and will not be travelling abroad to cash in on her growing global fan base.

      Granted that Ms. Simonova has no obligation to continue with her powerful and unique performance art, it would be a shame if she doesn’t.

    53. #53 |  JJH2 | 

      I would be cautious about placing too much reliance on grand jury testimony. It is, after all, given in secret, elicited by the prosecutor, without either the defendant or defendant’s counsel having a right to even attend, let alone question or cross-examine the witness. Polanski pled guilty only to sex with a minor, knowing she was underage. Is he guilty of more? Maybe. Who knows? The victim’s family wrote a letter to the judge urging him to accept the plea deal. Obviously they could have various motives for doing so, and I wouldn’t look too far into it one way or the other. But I would, however, be cautious about proclaiming with any certainty that I know exactly what happened in this case.

    54. #54 |  Michael Chaney | 

      For those of you arguing that the Polanski case involved consensual sex, please do a little reading. The victim is quite open about this. He raped her, and she repeatedly asked him to stop. This isn’t a Debra LaFave case.

    55. #55 |  Dave Krueger | 

      I don’t know all the details of the Polanski case and I’m not a big fan of Hollywood celebrities outside of seeing the movies they make.

      From what I gather, he wasn’t convicted of rape and the state is not in a position to sentence or treat him as if he were. Both he and the state agreed to a plea bargain and Polanski fled because he thought the judge might change his mind about the plea agreement.

      A plea agreement and/or jumping bail is not proof that someone “did it”. Furthermore, charges don’t always reflect the nature of the crime nor is the prosecution always in a position of being able to prove the crime that is charged. Overcharging is a common practice specifically meant to induce a defendant to agree to a plea. Going to trial is the exception and not the rule.

      I will say it’s a bit disingenuous for the state to now claim Polanski is the Antichrist after coming very close to letting him off with a slap on the wrist. If, indeed, Polanski forced himself on the girl using drugs as a weapon. then the state apparently fell far short of making him pay for it. I don’t blame Polanski for that anymore than I blame OJ for being acquitted.

      On the other hand, Polanski voluntarily accepted the risks when he fled before sentencing and the state has a legal obligation to apprehend fugitives and bring them to justice. Unless his rearrest is so uncharacteristic that it reeks of politics, persecution, or some prosecutor’s ego trip, I don’t really have a big problem with them bringing him back here to close the case.

    56. #56 |  wylie | 

      “RoPol”, good lord.

      Is it too late to go back to non-stop Michael Jackson articles?

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    58. #58 |  Jeff | 

      In other news, Polanski’s next film will be set under a bridge in Florida.

    59. #59 |  Jim Collins | 

      There’s more to this Polanski thin than meets the eye. If I have this right, this girl’s Mother delivers her to him so that he can shoot some nude pictures of her and then he rapes her. Where in the hell was this girl’s Father and why wasn’t the Mother charged as well? If this was my kid, this whole thing would have been over a long time ago. Polanski would have had his head blown off right after my Wife had hers blown off. In 1970’s California there would have been a damn good chance that I would have been aquitted for both killings.

    60. #60 |  Michael Chaney | 

      I’ve found nothing to suggest that Polanski ever disputed the victim’s claims (that he drugged her then raped her both anally and vaginally). I don’t believe there’s any controversy over whether he raped her; if there is I have missed it. Rather, the controversy is over whether he should be “brought to justice” after all this time.

      Look, we read about shit (to be blunt) here all the time where some poor black guy pleads guilty to a crime he didn’t commit because the DA is intent on taking him down – justice be damned – and his public defender can’t possibly take on the well-funded DA. I know, you get a little suspect of the whole process sometimes.

      Polanski is not poor, had his own lawyer, has more money than the DA, definitely did the crime, and then skipped bail. Forget the normal Agitator food, this is the real deal.

      He’s also not a “has-been”, he’s still professionally active. He was going to Switzerland to pick up an award.

      It’s sad that he’s not treated as a complete pariah within the industry.

    61. #61 |  Dan | 

      I’m really tired of puppies getting killed by cops. I hope the kid can get another dog.

    62. #62 |  Cynical In CA | 

      #60 | Michael Chaney — “He’s also not a “has-been”, he’s still professionally active. He was going to Switzerland to pick up an award.”

      Thanks Michael, I got my tenses mixed up. He’s a “was.”

      Word-association Family Feud style, say the first thing that comes into your mind when I say, “Roman Polanski.”

      100 people surveyed, top 2 answers:

      Convicted fugitive child rapist: 90

      Film director: 10

      I am caring about this far more than I would like to. The only people that care about Roman Polanski the director these days are in the industry. I’m done.

    63. #63 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

      #10 Michael Chaney:

      “One of the things we see here over and over again is that people will excuse almost any act perpetrated by someone that they see as part of their “group”. Cops cover for bad cops (see Drew Peterson, etc.), priests cover for pedophiles, conservatives will explain for hours how it’s okay that Rush was a drug addict – that’s different!, the list goes on and on.”

      I basically agree, Michael, and this frustates me to no end too. But I’m just wondering if you know of any cops (other than Peterson’s son) who have gone on record to defend Drew Peterson. I thought pretty much everyone, inside and outside of law enforcement, was creeped out by this guy. His egocentrism, love of the spotlight, and lack of concern about his missing wife had me pegging him as a psychopath early on. In spite of all the problems with policing documented on The Agitator, I don’t know many cops who don’t get the willies when they encounter a psychopath.

    64. #64 |  JJH2 | 

      #60

      I think there’s a diminishing utility in debating the merits of a case which, for better or worse, has a thin evidentiary record. Suffice it to say, Polanski has maintained the sex was consensual. When you say he “definitely did the crime” it’s not clear whether you mean what he pled guilty to, or what he was originally charged with. I think there’s no doubt about the former, but an insufficient record to determine the latter. People are obviously free to make credibility calls as to one person’s transcript of a contemporaneous grand jury proceeding or subsequent interviews dozens of years later, but it strikes me a touch disingenuous to pretend that the answer is crystal clear. I definitely have personal feelings as to what I believe is the most likely event to have occurred, but I can’t pretend that it’s anything more than supposition based on the record as it stands.

    65. #65 |  Philip Parker | 

      http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm

      Jeez, they don’t even have to be SWAT teams anymore!

    66. #66 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

      The problem with “omg lynch” in the Polanski case is that the judge, absolutely, was commiting major major misconduct. He was, reportedly, planning on ignoring the crime that he’d actually pled to, and imposing a sentence as if he’d pled guilty to everything.

      Wasn’t there an article on this very website recently decrying that very practice? (Well yes, there was).

      Look, just because the crime was very, very unpleasent indeed dosn’t mean you can set aside due process – indeed, it makes it more important. Why am I having to say this, here?

    67. #67 |  Andrew Williams | 

      Gotta disagree with you re Polanski, Radley. The victim has forgiven him. There was considerable malfeasance in the original trial. And the timing is way off: the DA’s office has had three decades to find this guy–who wasn’t exactly hiding in a hole–and now, with a critical budget crunch and prisoners being released, we HAVE to get this guy? Doesn’t add up. I call “contempt of court.” And I call bullshit.

    68. #68 |  John Markley | 

      “And the timing is way off: the DA’s office has had three decades to find this guy–who wasn’t exactly hiding in a hole–and now, with a critical budget crunch and prisoners being released, we HAVE to get this guy? Doesn’t add up.”

      No, he wasn’t hiding in a hole, but he was outside American jurisdiction in a country that wouldn’t extradite him. What were the authorities in California supposed to have done, dispatch a black ops team to France to abduct Polanski like the Mossad nabbed Adolf Eichmann?

    69. #69 |  Michael Chaney | 

      Re: #63

      I don’t know of *cops* who have, but look up the circumstances of his 3rd wife’s death and subsequent coverup. The medical examiner determined that she drowned, even though the tub was dry and she had bruises all around her neck.

      While nobody might have gone on record, they don’t have to. They helped when it really counted. This is similar to the Stephanie Lazarus case in LA where her buds helped her get away with murder. And countless other cases that we’ve read about here, #65 as an example.

      That these same vile people don’t stand up for their friends in court or whatever is normal – there’s really no honor among thieves.

    70. #70 |  Dave Krueger | 

      #66 Leon Wolfeson

      Look, just because the crime was very, very unpleasent indeed dosn’t mean you can set aside due process – indeed, it makes it more important. Why am I having to say this, here?

      I think the prevailing attitude is that it’s okay to dispense with due process when it’s a child sex crime. Not an uncommon perspective these days.

    71. #71 |  Andrew Williams | 

      #63
      “No, he wasn’t hiding in a hole, but he was outside American jurisdiction in a country that wouldn’t extradite him. What were the authorities in California supposed to have done, dispatch a black ops team to France to abduct Polanski like the Mossad nabbed Adolf Eichmann?”

      Yes, he was living in France, but he didn’t spend every moment of those 33 years there. There were opportunities to get him if the DA’s office had wanted to, just like the ATFBI could have nabbed David Koresh when he went jogging, instead of staging a Goddamn firefight.

      Maybe CA couldn’t have put together a black ops team, but they could maybe have talked a Federal LEA into it. And who knows if they were planning such a thing? Would we ever know? That’s the whole thing about black ops: those who say don’t know, and those who know don’t say.

      As a CA resident, I think we have much, MUCH bigger problems to deal with than Roman Polanski. And yes, I think he’s had enough heartache for one lifetime, although he brought the last one on himself that evening in 1977. And I think he’s a great director–maybe one of the greatest.

      Well, if THAT don’t get me some – karma, then I ain’t doin’ my job.

    72. #72 |  Andrew Williams | 

      Sorry, meant to address that to John Markley. My bad.

    73. #73 |  Swank | 

      What kind of petty scoundrel would want to lock up the maker of ‘Rosemary’s Baby’ ‘Chinatown’ and ‘Knife In The Water’ ?

      You owe Mr. Polanski a sincere apology…

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