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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: A Depressing Day In Police Misconduct Video &#171; Injustice Everywhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Depressing Day In Police Misconduct Video &#171; Injustice Everywhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a crappy day, I&#8217;m not even going to get into the video mentioned over at The Agitator about Polk County Florida Deputies who were caught on a man&#8217;s personal security camera [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a crappy day, I&#8217;m not even going to get into the video mentioned over at The Agitator about Polk County Florida Deputies who were caught on a man&#8217;s personal security camera [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/22/lunch-links-47/comment-page-1/#comment-365557</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, 

I covered the obesity issue when I was at Cato, and my experience is that there&#039;s a strong anti-market, anti-commerce component to the public health movement. And it&#039;s public health activists who are pushing this stuff. Kelly Brownell, Marion Nestle &amp; Co. would definitely be described as well left of center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, </p>
<p>I covered the obesity issue when I was at Cato, and my experience is that there&#8217;s a strong anti-market, anti-commerce component to the public health movement. And it&#8217;s public health activists who are pushing this stuff. Kelly Brownell, Marion Nestle &amp; Co. would definitely be described as well left of center.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben (the other one)</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/22/lunch-links-47/comment-page-1/#comment-365541</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for &lt;em&gt;Slate&lt;/em&gt;, the question is not, as their headline indicates, &quot;Why Are Liberals Getting So Stupid About Science?&quot;  It&#039;s &quot;Why Is Slate Getting So Stupid In Its Political Labeling?&quot;  I am really not clear why those backing soft-drink taxes get labeled &quot;liberal,&quot; except that self-described &quot;conservatives&quot; sometimes oppose these measures (i.e., so the proponents must be &quot;liberal&quot;).  This is a great example of &lt;em&gt;Slate&#039;s modus operandi&lt;/em&gt;:  take a marginal issue, hype it, and then write pick a counterintuitive approach in criticizing it.  That&#039;s basically all that Mickey Kaus has done with his life.

Regarding the interns issue:  As someone wrote above, Cuban should quit the damn whining.  Is he seriously suggesting that he&#039;s so poor that he can&#039;t pay some kid the minimum wage for his &quot;internship&quot;?  Maybe the minimum wage laws don&#039;t fit his situation to a &quot;T,&quot; but it seems to me they are likely to protect other employees in other situations from being exploited.  That&#039;s assuming, of course, that you think the minimum wage laws are a good idea, which is not a safe assumption here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for <em>Slate</em>, the question is not, as their headline indicates, &#8220;Why Are Liberals Getting So Stupid About Science?&#8221;  It&#8217;s &#8220;Why Is Slate Getting So Stupid In Its Political Labeling?&#8221;  I am really not clear why those backing soft-drink taxes get labeled &#8220;liberal,&#8221; except that self-described &#8220;conservatives&#8221; sometimes oppose these measures (i.e., so the proponents must be &#8220;liberal&#8221;).  This is a great example of <em>Slate&#8217;s modus operandi</em>:  take a marginal issue, hype it, and then write pick a counterintuitive approach in criticizing it.  That&#8217;s basically all that Mickey Kaus has done with his life.</p>
<p>Regarding the interns issue:  As someone wrote above, Cuban should quit the damn whining.  Is he seriously suggesting that he&#8217;s so poor that he can&#8217;t pay some kid the minimum wage for his &#8220;internship&#8221;?  Maybe the minimum wage laws don&#8217;t fit his situation to a &#8220;T,&#8221; but it seems to me they are likely to protect other employees in other situations from being exploited.  That&#8217;s assuming, of course, that you think the minimum wage laws are a good idea, which is not a safe assumption here.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#40 &#124;  Lee 

Not funny.  ENCOURAGING.  But I&#039;m not holding my breath.</description>
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<p>Not funny.  ENCOURAGING.  But I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/22/lunch-links-47/comment-page-1/#comment-365327</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cops take a break from drug raid to bowl a few rounds on their suspect’s Wii.&quot;

That was an amazing article!  There was more hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth by the police spokespeople over playing a Wii than if they had killed someone!

I have a Wii.  If I&#039;m ever raided, I&#039;ll let the SWAT team know I have one and maybe they&#039;ll go easy on me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cops take a break from drug raid to bowl a few rounds on their suspect’s Wii.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was an amazing article!  There was more hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth by the police spokespeople over playing a Wii than if they had killed someone!</p>
<p>I have a Wii.  If I&#8217;m ever raided, I&#8217;ll let the SWAT team know I have one and maybe they&#8217;ll go easy on me!</p>
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		<title>By: Terrorific</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrorific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in high school I was told by a radio station that I had to receive class credits or get paid in order to intern there (and they wouldn&#039;t pay me since they&#039;d have to pay minimum wage). So, I did the logical thing and forged class credit papers. Every month for a year the program director filled out evaluations for me that I subsequently dumped in the garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in high school I was told by a radio station that I had to receive class credits or get paid in order to intern there (and they wouldn&#8217;t pay me since they&#8217;d have to pay minimum wage). So, I did the logical thing and forged class credit papers. Every month for a year the program director filled out evaluations for me that I subsequently dumped in the garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=27162

If this is actually true, it is the funniest damn thing I have heard in a very long time.</description>
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<p>If this is actually true, it is the funniest damn thing I have heard in a very long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta think that in light of Cuban&#039;s recent run ins with the gubmint there would be immediate action taken against him under the labor laws if he tried unpaid interns.  Based on what I&#039;ve read of the SEC filings against him somehow he&#039;s pissed off the ruling class enough that there won&#039;t be any ignoring of labor law, turning a &quot;blind eye&quot; or any blind justice in his case.  I don&#039;t know much about him but I would guess he&#039;s violated the same law as Microsoft in not sharing his cash with politicians the way they want.

And I agree with the statement above that because it&#039;s a matter of voluntary contract, unpaid interns should be allowed.  For the same reason I think minimum wage laws are unjust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta think that in light of Cuban&#8217;s recent run ins with the gubmint there would be immediate action taken against him under the labor laws if he tried unpaid interns.  Based on what I&#8217;ve read of the SEC filings against him somehow he&#8217;s pissed off the ruling class enough that there won&#8217;t be any ignoring of labor law, turning a &#8220;blind eye&#8221; or any blind justice in his case.  I don&#8217;t know much about him but I would guess he&#8217;s violated the same law as Microsoft in not sharing his cash with politicians the way they want.</p>
<p>And I agree with the statement above that because it&#8217;s a matter of voluntary contract, unpaid interns should be allowed.  For the same reason I think minimum wage laws are unjust.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drug dealer for the WIN!</description>
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		<title>By: omar</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/22/lunch-links-47/comment-page-1/#comment-364897</link>
		<dc:creator>omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I need to subscribe to Reason.&lt;/i&gt;

You really do.  It&#039;s all the good articles without reading the angry commentary on the Hit-and-Run page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I need to subscribe to Reason.</i></p>
<p>You really do.  It&#8217;s all the good articles without reading the angry commentary on the Hit-and-Run page.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Leatherwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Leatherwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owning my own bazooka.

I need to subscribe to Reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owning my own bazooka.</p>
<p>I need to subscribe to Reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/22/lunch-links-47/comment-page-1/#comment-364873</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“It’s the left that’s turning conservative. Well, not conservative, but pushy.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

YES! Well said, Mr. Saletan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, it&#039;s not well-said.  The statement betrays an ignorance of recent history that can only be described as mind-boggling.

I&#039;ve pointed out for a long time that Communism, as implemented in the real world, is as much a right-wing phenomenon as it is left-wing (looking at it from the POV of the US), it&#039;s just that the left loves the forced equality aspect so much they&#039;re willing to ignore the rest of it.

Communists still outlaw drugs, prostitution, the whole lot of it.  You&#039;d find that your normal moralist has as much in common with them as not.

But the bottom line is that both the left and the right want to force their worldview on you using the force of the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>“It’s the left that’s turning conservative. Well, not conservative, but pushy.”</p></blockquote>
<p>YES! Well said, Mr. Saletan.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, it&#8217;s not well-said.  The statement betrays an ignorance of recent history that can only be described as mind-boggling.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve pointed out for a long time that Communism, as implemented in the real world, is as much a right-wing phenomenon as it is left-wing (looking at it from the POV of the US), it&#8217;s just that the left loves the forced equality aspect so much they&#8217;re willing to ignore the rest of it.</p>
<p>Communists still outlaw drugs, prostitution, the whole lot of it.  You&#8217;d find that your normal moralist has as much in common with them as not.</p>
<p>But the bottom line is that both the left and the right want to force their worldview on you using the force of the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know of any &quot;cosmotarians&quot; who are opposed to guns.

In fact, the Heller case was brought by a bunch of Cato folk -- often referred to (derisively) as cosmotarian.

Far as I know, everyone at Reason is pro-gun, pro-Second Amendment. Hell, we ran a cover story last year on why it should be legal to own a bazooka.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know of any &#8220;cosmotarians&#8221; who are opposed to guns.</p>
<p>In fact, the Heller case was brought by a bunch of Cato folk &#8212; often referred to (derisively) as cosmotarian.</p>
<p>Far as I know, everyone at Reason is pro-gun, pro-Second Amendment. Hell, we ran a cover story last year on why it should be legal to own a bazooka.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Could a Left-leaning strain of libertarianism, or at least a return to a truer form of liberalism, come out of discussions like this&quot;

There&#039;s plenty of these out there Helmut.  Sometimes they&#039;re called &quot;cosmotarians&quot;.  I used to be one, then I changed my mind about guns.  Now I&#039;m a full-blown libertarian and moving to Vermont :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Could a Left-leaning strain of libertarianism, or at least a return to a truer form of liberalism, come out of discussions like this&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty of these out there Helmut.  Sometimes they&#8217;re called &#8220;cosmotarians&#8221;.  I used to be one, then I changed my mind about guns.  Now I&#8217;m a full-blown libertarian and moving to Vermont :)</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the soda tax, for the vast majority of drinks, it would be an offset for government-subsidized corn syrup.  The tax, combined with the subsidy, would be an inefficient and round-about way of getting closer to the true &quot;market price&quot; for carbonated corn syrup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the soda tax, for the vast majority of drinks, it would be an offset for government-subsidized corn syrup.  The tax, combined with the subsidy, would be an inefficient and round-about way of getting closer to the true &#8220;market price&#8221; for carbonated corn syrup.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Wii cops: at least if they&#039;re playing video games they&#039;re not &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1782491,nurse-lawsuit-cop-cuff-drawing-blood-092109.article&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;illegally cuffing ER nurses for not getting a DUI blood sample fast enough&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Wii cops: at least if they&#8217;re playing video games they&#8217;re not <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1782491,nurse-lawsuit-cop-cuff-drawing-blood-092109.article" rel="nofollow">illegally cuffing ER nurses for not getting a DUI blood sample fast enough</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bobzbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobzbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how an unpaid internship doesn&#039;t violate the minimum wage law.</description>
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		<title>By: J sub D</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/22/lunch-links-47/comment-page-1/#comment-364849</link>
		<dc:creator>J sub D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The second paragraph in my previous should not have been in the blockquote.

Once again this HTML tyro pleads for a preview function at The Agitator.</description>
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<p>Once again this HTML tyro pleads for a preview function at The Agitator.</p>
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		<title>By: djm</title>
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		<dc:creator>djm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20

Umm no, libertarians should not have a problem with unpaid internships.  As a principle, libertarians are fine with free individuals engaging in contracts where all parties are sufficiently informed as to the terms of that contract.

As someone who has done both paid and unpaid internships, I can say that it is a mixture of training and work.  In an unpaid internship, I basically paid for my training through my labour.  I had no problem with this, and I do not regret it (it actually turned out to be a great investment).

As for the argument that unpaid internships discriminate against the less wealthy, this is true, in the same way that most things discriminate against the less wealthy (would Bill Gates have dropped out of Harvard to found Microsoft had he not had his parental cushion to fall back on?).  If the less wealthy unpaid intern values their training above the temporary value of their labour, then they should take out a loan to cover that period, much as many do with their education.  If not, then it simply suggests that employers who offer unpaid internships end up with substandard paid employees subsequent, and that there is a business opportunity to deliver a better product than them using paid interns.</description>
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<p>Umm no, libertarians should not have a problem with unpaid internships.  As a principle, libertarians are fine with free individuals engaging in contracts where all parties are sufficiently informed as to the terms of that contract.</p>
<p>As someone who has done both paid and unpaid internships, I can say that it is a mixture of training and work.  In an unpaid internship, I basically paid for my training through my labour.  I had no problem with this, and I do not regret it (it actually turned out to be a great investment).</p>
<p>As for the argument that unpaid internships discriminate against the less wealthy, this is true, in the same way that most things discriminate against the less wealthy (would Bill Gates have dropped out of Harvard to found Microsoft had he not had his parental cushion to fall back on?).  If the less wealthy unpaid intern values their training above the temporary value of their labour, then they should take out a loan to cover that period, much as many do with their education.  If not, then it simply suggests that employers who offer unpaid internships end up with substandard paid employees subsequent, and that there is a business opportunity to deliver a better product than them using paid interns.</p>
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		<title>By: J sub D</title>
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		<dc:creator>J sub D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Seems to me that libertarians ought to be okay with a ban on unpaid internships, just as they are okay with a ban on indentured servitude. Both involve people willingly working under a given set of conditions, and both are exploitative of the worker.

A stretch worthy of Reed Richards.  Lemmee know when an unpaid intern (who thinks the experience gained has value at least equal to his efforts) is forcibly prevented from saying &quot;This place blows!  I QUIT!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Seems to me that libertarians ought to be okay with a ban on unpaid internships, just as they are okay with a ban on indentured servitude. Both involve people willingly working under a given set of conditions, and both are exploitative of the worker.</p>
<p>A stretch worthy of Reed Richards.  Lemmee know when an unpaid intern (who thinks the experience gained has value at least equal to his efforts) is forcibly prevented from saying &#8220;This place blows!  I QUIT!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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