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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Don Kenner</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-371131</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Kenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is this the same Josh Wexler who has written for National Review? I wonder what “Jack Dunphy” would have to say about all this.&quot;

Dunphy generally objects to the ridiculous accusations hurled at good law enforcement officers in the LAPD (the &quot;O.J. was framed!&quot; crowd was a big target). Okay, he and I might disagree on where the line between &quot;good&quot; and &quot;bad&quot; officers should be drawn, but even someone (like myself) who is very suspicious of over-reaching police powers has to acknowledge that that there is a cadre of anti-police activists who tend to regard any crime prevention as a gross violation of civil rights. 

I want the police to come down hard on violent offenders; it&#039;s the job they&#039;re supposed to do. I don&#039;t want the police to execute 3am, no-knock warrants against some guy with a couple of pot plants. But you know what? Cops have to enforce the laws they don&#039;t agree with. It&#039;s up to us to get the bad laws changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is this the same Josh Wexler who has written for National Review? I wonder what “Jack Dunphy” would have to say about all this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dunphy generally objects to the ridiculous accusations hurled at good law enforcement officers in the LAPD (the &#8220;O.J. was framed!&#8221; crowd was a big target). Okay, he and I might disagree on where the line between &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;bad&#8221; officers should be drawn, but even someone (like myself) who is very suspicious of over-reaching police powers has to acknowledge that that there is a cadre of anti-police activists who tend to regard any crime prevention as a gross violation of civil rights. </p>
<p>I want the police to come down hard on violent offenders; it&#8217;s the job they&#8217;re supposed to do. I don&#8217;t want the police to execute 3am, no-knock warrants against some guy with a couple of pot plants. But you know what? Cops have to enforce the laws they don&#8217;t agree with. It&#8217;s up to us to get the bad laws changed.</p>
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		<title>By: wylie</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-366335</link>
		<dc:creator>wylie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, it really wasn’t as “ballsy” as you might think.&quot;

There&#039;s balls and then there&#039;s stupid. You went to the limit of balls. Stupid just get you screwed (read: arrested, shot, etc.)

Self-preservation doesn&#039;t disqualify the balls-y-ness of this heroic act. Live to fight another day and all that.

Let me add some more highfives to the pile, and a few hip-hip-hoorays for good measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, it really wasn’t as “ballsy” as you might think.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s balls and then there&#8217;s stupid. You went to the limit of balls. Stupid just get you screwed (read: arrested, shot, etc.)</p>
<p>Self-preservation doesn&#8217;t disqualify the balls-y-ness of this heroic act. Live to fight another day and all that.</p>
<p>Let me add some more highfives to the pile, and a few hip-hip-hoorays for good measure.</p>
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		<title>By: John-David</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-363369</link>
		<dc:creator>John-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the same Josh Wexler who has written for National Review? I wonder what &quot;Jack Dunphy&quot; would have to say about all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the same Josh Wexler who has written for National Review? I wonder what &#8220;Jack Dunphy&#8221; would have to say about all this.</p>
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		<title>By: freedomfan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361892</link>
		<dc:creator>freedomfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among the many take-away lessons here:
&lt;blockquote&gt;[The officer performing the &quot;investigation&quot;] told me that the cop (Torres) told a different story than mine and that his recommendation was to find the complaint “false” (or some thing equivalent to “false”- he could have recommended a finding of “unsupported” which would have meant there just wasn’t enough evidence to find the claim “supported). The investigator also told me that if he were the officer in question, he might well have arrested me for interfering with investigation/arrest of the pedestrian[.&lt;i&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;..]&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Just in case there was any doubt about the objectivity of these investigations or any hope that the investigator was a &quot;good cop&quot; who would be willing to stand against one of his fellows doing wrong.

Once again, you really don&#039;t get far dealing with authority types unless you have video of the incident. Unless it is flat out obvious the officer is lying, the &quot;official process&quot; will take his word about his own wrongdoing over a normal citizen&#039;s. (And, of course, even video isn&#039;t a magic bullet when it comes to getting real accountability from the system, but at least it helps educate the general public about what really goes on.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among the many take-away lessons here:</p>
<blockquote><p>[The officer performing the "investigation"] told me that the cop (Torres) told a different story than mine and that his recommendation was to find the complaint “false” (or some thing equivalent to “false”- he could have recommended a finding of “unsupported” which would have meant there just wasn’t enough evidence to find the claim “supported). The investigator also told me that if he were the officer in question, he might well have arrested me for interfering with investigation/arrest of the pedestrian[.<i>.</i>..]</p></blockquote>
<p>Just in case there was any doubt about the objectivity of these investigations or any hope that the investigator was a &#8220;good cop&#8221; who would be willing to stand against one of his fellows doing wrong.</p>
<p>Once again, you really don&#8217;t get far dealing with authority types unless you have video of the incident. Unless it is flat out obvious the officer is lying, the &#8220;official process&#8221; will take his word about his own wrongdoing over a normal citizen&#8217;s. (And, of course, even video isn&#8217;t a magic bullet when it comes to getting real accountability from the system, but at least it helps educate the general public about what really goes on.)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Hummel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Hummel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mr. Wexler does not understand the rules of the game. The seatbelt ticket was dropped in exchange for him not to file a complaint against the cop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mr. Wexler does not understand the rules of the game. The seatbelt ticket was dropped in exchange for him not to file a complaint against the cop.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361466</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. This ended pretty much how we all knew it would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. This ended pretty much how we all knew it would.</p>
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		<title>By: pickle</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361449</link>
		<dc:creator>pickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#9, Jeff:

Are you sure it&#039;s not Ignatius J. Reilly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#9, Jeff:</p>
<p>Are you sure it&#8217;s not Ignatius J. Reilly?</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361444</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an extremely lazy individual, I really need to get a job at PIB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an extremely lazy individual, I really need to get a job at PIB.</p>
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		<title>By: MassHole</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361434</link>
		<dc:creator>MassHole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter NOPD:  STFU and act the like the serf you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter NOPD:  STFU and act the like the serf you are.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361332</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superintendent of Police, New Orleans, Warren J. Riley:

wriley@cityofno.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superintendent of Police, New Orleans, Warren J. Riley:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:wriley@cityofno.com">wriley@cityofno.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike H</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361328</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good follow up Josh, thanks.  I know I&#039;d think twice about getting out of my car even in broad daylight with a whole street full of witnesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good follow up Josh, thanks.  I know I&#8217;d think twice about getting out of my car even in broad daylight with a whole street full of witnesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Toastrider</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361325</link>
		<dc:creator>Toastrider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m beginning to consider moving somewhere where, in Lincoln&#039;s words, I can take my despotism pure without the base alloy of hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m beginning to consider moving somewhere where, in Lincoln&#8217;s words, I can take my despotism pure without the base alloy of hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Al V</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361321</link>
		<dc:creator>Al V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn&#039;t the dashcam video activate when the emergency lights are turned on ? In that case, there might not be any video because the cop probably didn&#039;t have the lights on when he hit the pedestrian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn&#8217;t the dashcam video activate when the emergency lights are turned on ? In that case, there might not be any video because the cop probably didn&#8217;t have the lights on when he hit the pedestrian.</p>
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		<title>By: samsam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361284</link>
		<dc:creator>samsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say it was a dirty word. Another source (dictionary.com) provides the definition: 

designating or of forces working along with, or in place of, a regular military organization, often as a semiofficial or secret auxiliary.

I believe this reflects many cops&#039; mindset, and I believe it to be unacceptable. When you couple their eagerness to commit violence with their desire to conceal their identity, you have a disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say it was a dirty word. Another source (dictionary.com) provides the definition: </p>
<p>designating or of forces working along with, or in place of, a regular military organization, often as a semiofficial or secret auxiliary.</p>
<p>I believe this reflects many cops&#8217; mindset, and I believe it to be unacceptable. When you couple their eagerness to commit violence with their desire to conceal their identity, you have a disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Mack</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361250</link>
		<dc:creator>Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Paramilitary&#039; isn&#039;t a dirty word. It&#039;s an accurate description of a group organized with ranks and a command structure resembling the military.

&#039;Paramedic&#039; is a reasonable parallel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Paramilitary&#8217; isn&#8217;t a dirty word. It&#8217;s an accurate description of a group organized with ranks and a command structure resembling the military.</p>
<p>&#8216;Paramedic&#8217; is a reasonable parallel.</p>
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		<title>By: samsam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361233</link>
		<dc:creator>samsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly OT

Referenced in comments for the previous Wexler article:
Rafael Goyeneche, president of the Metropolitan Crime Commission said that the police ARE a paramilitary organization.

A few days ago a baptist minister was gunned down by plain-clothes cops, very likely because he did not recognize them as cops.

Our commander-in-chief has said that combatants not in uniform are terrorists.

Shall we connect the dots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly OT</p>
<p>Referenced in comments for the previous Wexler article:<br />
Rafael Goyeneche, president of the Metropolitan Crime Commission said that the police ARE a paramilitary organization.</p>
<p>A few days ago a baptist minister was gunned down by plain-clothes cops, very likely because he did not recognize them as cops.</p>
<p>Our commander-in-chief has said that combatants not in uniform are terrorists.</p>
<p>Shall we connect the dots?</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep piling up the injustices NOPD. Like the old Baptist preacher R.G. Lee said &quot;There will be a payday someday.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep piling up the injustices NOPD. Like the old Baptist preacher R.G. Lee said &#8220;There will be a payday someday.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/09/15/more-from-josh-wexler/comment-page-1/#comment-361209</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you filed an open records request for the cop&#039;s dashcam video?  I know it&#039;s a little late, but you should have filed that same-day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you filed an open records request for the cop&#8217;s dashcam video?  I know it&#8217;s a little late, but you should have filed that same-day.</p>
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