Morning Links

Thursday, September 10th, 2009
  • Recession shrinks wealth gap, promotes income equality. Progressive groups expected to promote recession as official economic policy.
  • States face drop in gambling revenues.
  • Massachusetts law would require all schools to “professionally sterilize” band equipment. Conveniently, there’s only one company in the state that provides the service. And that company is of course pushing the bill.
  • The Innocence Project is trying to raise $25,000 for DNA testing for some of its current clients. They say 100 percent of your donation will be used for testing.
  • Michael Moore hangs with speech-suppressing, press-shuttering, human-rights abusing Hugo Chavez.
  • Off-duty Georgia cop accused of harassing woman who was talking on cell phone, falsely arresting her, breaking her wrist.
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    1. #1 |  rightshu | 

      Let me get this straight: this cop in DeKalb, GA, demands that a woman talking on her headset tell him to whom she’s talking, and breaks her wrist when she ignores him? There’s a whole world of “What the fuck?” in this, starting with the fact that this asshole thinks that being a thug with a uniform (that was hanging in his closet while he decided to act like Mr. Bigshot Tough Guy) gives him the right to order somebody to tell him who’s on the phone, passing through the fact that he felt the need to physically assault her when she ignored him, and ending with the fact that he didn’t end up sitting in the back of a squad car with his own handcuffs on.
      Of course, I’m sure he was just following procedure, this was an isolated incident, and there’s no need for us “civilians” to question the legitimacy of his actions.

    2. #2 |  Mike Leatherwood | 

      As a long time band geek, and one who used school instruments (tubas), I must say that the instrument sterilization law is one of the more asinine pieces of legislation I have seen. At he beginiing of the school year, our tubas would be given a bath (in a tub) with soapy water, then taken apart to let dry out. I don’t know how “professional sterilization” would do any better (what, steam clean it and bathe it in Listerine? I have no idea).

      Nothing like solving a problem that doesn’t exist…especially to expand the pocketbook of a single individual.

      Plus, VH-1’s Save the Music charity would have to be changed to Bathe the Music.

    3. #3 |  Marty | 

      after reading about the sterilizing band equipment law, all I could think about was ‘One time at band camp…’

      if they’re breaking arms for women talking on cell phones in GA, my girlfriend would be in a full body cast all the time… power freak cops like this sleep with their badge- I can’t imagine him not having it with him at all times- how else will he get his free coffee from 7-11, free admission into PTs strip club, and demand submission from people who annoy him (all of us)?

    4. #4 |  Dave Krueger | 

      It’s the hypocrisy of it that I dislike. They should just enact a law that allows cops to beat the shit out of anyone who doesn’t show them “proper respect” (as defined by the individual cop). I mean, if cops who assault people aren’t going to be punished, they should come right out and make it official. That way people wouldn’t have the audacity to keep disrespecting the all-powerful authority of cops and expecting the law to actually punish cops who aren’t developmentally advanced enough to exercise the same degree of restraint over their egos and emotions that most children are capable of.

    5. #5 |  SJE | 

      The AJC story about the GA cop who broke the woman’s wrist focuses on the fact that he didn’t identify himself as an officer. This seems completely wrong: even if he was in full uniform, what was his reasonable basis for harrassing, arrresting and assaulting her?

    6. #6 |  SJE | 

      “Recession shrinks wealth gap, promotes income equality. Progressive groups expected to promote recession as official economic policy.”….

      Until progressive PACs, arts organizations, etc are left without funding because all their donors are hurting. Its amazing the number of people who work decry the evil of wealth, while working for non-profits entirely funded by the wealthy.

    7. #7 |  Dave Krueger | 

      #5 SJE

      …even if he was in full uniform, what was his reasonable basis for harrassing, arrresting and assaulting her?

      Damn good point, SJE. We should start a new reporting site that takes stories like this, subjects them to our normal commenting process, and then republishes them with the correct perspective.

      The average reader is never going to zero in on details like this and it’s pretty obvious that it’s way beyond the analytical capacity of the main stream media to question the slant (and outright lies) put out by law enforcement organizations.

    8. #8 |  omar | 

      Radley, you need a new category for your blog posts – “Georgia”

    9. #9 |  Marty | 

      you’d think Dekalb was adjacent to Prince George county…

    10. #10 |  Marty | 


      I think your point is a good one- the story needs to be written for people who aren’t looking for abuse. this article even mentioned that the cop was harassing the woman, but didn’t continue pointing out the outlandish of what was happening- because he was a leo.

    11. #11 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

      “McMoore said she called police and the man kept arguing with her. McMoore said the man left and returned with handcuffs.”

      Sad day when civilians have to call the cops on cops.
      Henry Gates did this too, if I remember.

      “…even if he was in full uniform, what was his reasonable basis for harrassing, arrresting and assaulting her?”
      Funny how this key issue can fall by the wayside.

    12. #12 |  Roho | 

      That is a good point up above. It would almost be more disturbing if he’d done this in uniform.

      “Hey, lady…who are you talking to?”

      “None of your business.”

      “Maybe I didn’t make myself clear.” *SNAP* “Who…are you talking to?”

    13. #13 |  Pablo | 

      Dontcha just love how the cop always gets a paid vacation (“administrative leave”) after shit like this happens? That will teach him!

      IMHO the above practice is backwards. If there is reasonable suspicion that a cop has committed wrongdoing, the suspension should be without pay. If the cop is cleared after a REAL investigation he should be given back pay for the time he was suspended. Isn’t that how most of us are treated by our employers?

    14. #14 |  Michael Chaney | 

      Reporters don’t have time to do actual reporting, so they simply take what the police feed them and regurgitate it with some slightly different wording. I get press releases emailed to me from our PD precinct here, and I’ve seen some of them appear verbatim on local news sites (MSM stuff).

      Anyway, yes, I look at this from the same perspective as others here. Why was this guy not arrested? Why are they “investigating”? If I kidnapped somebody I’d be in jail right now, and rightly so. Why has no warrant been issued? Why didn’t the police go after the warrant instead of the victim?

      It’s just sad what our police forces have turned into.

    15. #15 |  arglebargle | 

      I think the bigger question is, why didn’t he taser her too?

      She clearly was not following his orders. Disorderly conduct? Of course!

      I think after this fine officer gets off of his paid vacation (err.. administrative leave) He should be required to go back through taser 101 training, so he can fully use the tools that we the tax payer have provided him.

      I wonder who pays the medical bills when an off duty cop breaks your wrist, but there are no charges.

    16. #16 |  Chris | 

      Radley, thanks for the innocence project donation link. Perhaps you could do a donation link round-up near the end of the year, when lots of folks (like me) are making most of their charitable donations.

    17. #17 |  Chris Mallory | 

      Look at the bright side, at least he didn’t kick down her door and shoot her dog.

    18. #18 |  Waste | 

      The suspension with pay is pretty standard with good reason. You should do an investigation before you punish someone. By the same token in some cases you also can’t have the person on the streets continuing their duties. One other advantage is that as long as they are still an employee they can be compelled to answer questions during an IA.

      It’s nice to hear that a warrant was being sought in this case.

    19. #19 |  Mattocracy | 

      Michael Moore’s utter hypocrisy is just sickening. It’s hard to believe that after all the bullshit that GWB did while he was president, the left so willfully ignores the fact that their favorite dictator is ten time worse than our previous president.

      Michael Moore pocesses the same hypocritical thinking skills of the modern police officer. He just applies it with a video camera rather than with a gun.

    20. #20 |  Matt I. | 

      ‘McMoore said she applied for a warrant in DeKalb County Magistrate Court. As of Wednesday afternoon, no warrant had been issued.’

      Haha. Silly woman. Expecting a warrant to be issued for the arrest of a cop.

      What do you think this is, a no-knock drug raid? You think they keep a bunch of rubber stamped warrants for THIS?

    21. #21 |  Dave Krueger | 

      She’s probably lucky she called 911 bringing some other cops to the scene to talk their out-of-control officer down. Now that I think of it, she’s probably lucky the other officers didn’t join in with the harassment.

    22. #22 |  Highway | 

      Recession shrinks wealth gap, promotes income equality. Progressive groups expected to promote recession as official economic policy.

      I thought this was what Progressive groups were doing. You know, cause that was the outcome in places like the Eastern Bloc…

      And as for cops on admin. leave, rather than getting reimbursed for leave without pay if cleared of charges, well, they already know that the cops are gonna get cleared of charges, so why go through the exercise and all that paperwork. Just keep paying them.

    23. #23 |  Jozef | 

      you’d think Dekalb was adjacent to Prince George county…

      I live in DeKalb county, GA, and it’s one of the more harmless counties here when it comes to police abuse. Considering this, a “Georgia” tag should really be in order.

    24. #24 |  Pablo | 

      #21–my thoughts too. I guess it’s a little comforting that the other cops talked to both of them and released her. Too bad the cop himself wasn’t arrested for false imprisonment and aggravated battery.

    25. #25 |  Mike T | 

      Michael Moore’s utter hypocrisy is just sickening. It’s hard to believe that after all the bullshit that GWB did while he was president, the left so willfully ignores the fact that their favorite dictator is ten time worse than our previous president.

      It’s easy to believe. The left never opposed anything Bush did on principle, but rather because of who was doing it. The dumbest excuse often cited for opposing the prescription drug plan was that it was “a give away to the drug companies.” Well duh, no shit sherlock. Did anyone think that expanding their customer base, even marginally, would be bad for them?

      From the wars, to the surveillance policies, to the bailouts, the left was just pissed off at it being the Republicans in power. The Republicans stabbed each faction of their base, neocons notwithstanding, in the back. The libertarians got screwed, the social conservatives got a token executive order cutting foreign aid to groups that are involved with abortion, and that’s about it for them unless you want to claim the Terri Schiavo incident as some sort of real bone thrown to them rather than a publicity circus for some congresscritters.

    26. #26 |  JS | 

      Omar “Radley, you need a new category for your blog posts – “Georgia”

      hahahaha! Brilliant!

    27. #27 |  Michael Chaney | 

      Re: Waste

      I understand that an “investigation” needs to take place. However, this is the point, if I had kidnapped someone and broken their wrist, the investigation would take place while I was in jail or out on bond. I definitely would have rightly been arrested for that on the spot. It’s frightening to me how when cops obviously break the law it takes so much effort to determine that to be the case.

      It reminds me of the Hollywood, FL cops who were caught fabricating a story against a DUI that they had hit with a car. A real investigation into that would take 5 minutes or so, it just involves listening to a recorded conversation. So when police come up with these silly stories about doing proper investigations, it looks like they’re really trying to delay so that when they do the cover up for their buddies later the public will have forgotten about the initial incident.

      Same with the Jonathan Ayers case. Etc.

    28. #28 |  Lori Wilson | 

      I just sent the Innocence Project a nice donation! As per the NY Times, a 41 year old mentally disabled man serving life for a rape/murder he supposedly committed at the age of 15 has been cleared by DNA and is set to be freed from prison. The story says that Florida wanted to give him the death penalty, but that little thing called BEING A CHILD was the only thing that saved him. It is disgusting enough when an adult is wrongly convicted, but a child (and a mentally challenged one at that). I don’t know what kind of compensation he can get, and he will need all the help he can get. Me thinks some cops and prosecutors need to go to jail.

    29. #29 |  Michael Chaney | 

      Followup on the Ayers case:

      Investigators said that deputies were going after a woman inside a car being driven by Ayers. They said that when she got out at the gas station, agents moved in.

      Note that this is, what, story #5 from the dirty cops? Remember that in the earlier stories he had dropped her off somewhere and then went to the gas station. Now they’re claiming that she was at the gas station. This is useful, as there were other witnesses at the station. Did any of them see her? Does she exist? Or are they scrambling to get one of their snitches to lie?

      Note the single comment on this story:

      Some of the town’s folks say that the officers are going around bragging about it. I will be sure to follow this story.

      It’s hearsay, but sadly believable.

    30. #30 |  cleavingSpace | 

      “Recession shrinks wealth gap, promotes income equality. Progressive groups expected to promote recession as official economic policy. ”

      Shucks, I’m saddened. Those rich people must really be struggling! Does that mean that the top richest 1% of the population now only owns 94% instead of 95% of all wealth?

    31. #31 |  Matt D | 

      Recession shrinks wealth gap, promotes income equality. Progressive groups expected to promote recession as official economic policy.

      Yeah, you let me know when that happens.

    32. #32 |  PB | 

      No, that means that income tax revenues will fall drastically.
      Leaving low and middle income earners to pick up the slack.

    33. #33 |  cleavingSpace | 


      How is that possible? I thought the big argument for letting the rich stay so disproportionately rich was because “they pay most of the taxes!!”

    34. #34 |  Jody | 

      In the Georgia article, and maybe I’m just slow today, but what was the officer even engaging this lady in the first place? Was she “disorderly” prior to him engaging her? Or disorderly after he started screwing with her? I’m having trouble from the article even fathoming what she could possibly have been doing that in any bizzaro universe warranted this cop bothering her.

      I know the writer refers to the police report, but what. the. hell. was this guy even trying to accomplish? Was she saying “fuck” a lot, and so this was “for the children” or something? Why didn’t the reporter dig a little harder on this one. Seems odd from the outset.

      The police boggle my mind daily, even more than the bureaucrats.

    35. #35 |  freedomfan | 

      cleavingSpace, I never understand why anyone would be happy when some economic problem disproportionately hits wealthy people. How does that help the rest of us? It doesn’t. It just means that the investments they would have made will be reduced, eventually lowering the economic opportunities for everyone else.

      The attitude that hard times for the rich are good for the non-rich is just zero-sum-game nonsense. Even if one thinks that income inequality is a terrible social scourge, the worst way to reduce it is by making everyone equally poor.

      Economic jealousy doesn’t help anyone. The question isn’t whether my slice of the pie is as big as someone else’s, but whether it is getting bigger over time. If my economic situation is improving, even if someone else’s is improving faster, how does it help me to torpedo the system (or to cheer when something torpedoes it)?

    36. #36 |  omar | 

      RE: Cobb County: Nevar forget our Cobb heroes in armor.

      As a born and raised Gwinnettian, I will never understand y’all north-western metro ATL folks. At least in Gwinnett, we have the class to keep our cops mostly harassing minorities as part of the Holy War on Drugs. Y’all get on the other side of 400 and and you’d think it’s OK to break white women’s wrists over a little thing like this.

    37. #37 |  Michael Pack | 

      The cop was off duty and should have been arrested for assault and false imprisonment as any ‘civilian’ would be.Any officer accused of wrong doing should be arrested ,booked and allowed to go through the system just like anyone else.

    38. #38 |  scott | 

      I’m having trouble from the article even fathoming what she could possibly have been doing that in any bizzaro universe warranted this cop bothering her.

      She was guilty of being lippy towards a cop and not showing the proper fealty when he, in his lawful capacity as Arbiter of How People Should Act In The Presence Of THE LAW, demanded she answer his question.

      And I share the relief and surprise that he didn’t taze her or shoot her dog.

    39. #39 |  freedomfan | 

      How is that possible? I thought the big argument for letting the rich stay so disproportionately rich was because “they pay most of the taxes!!”

      And, therefore, when their income goes down, so does the amount of taxes they pay. If the wealthy are hit harder by economic downturns than the rest of us and the rich are paying a disproportionate share of the taxes, then tax revenues necessarily suffer disproportionately during a downturn. In some sense, that means everyone else has to pick up the slack, though it doesn’t work that way directly. What actually happens is that the government diverts more money from private investment by running deficits and selling bonds to cover them. That diverted investment will tend to slow economic recovery and lower long-term growth.

      BTW, no one is “letting” wealthy people keep their wealth. No one needs your or my permission to keep what they have earned, whether or not they are paying more than the rest of us for government services. The idea that the non-wealthy are doing the wealthy some sort of favor by not confiscating even more of their income is an authoritarian mainstay, akin to “letting” people own guns, “letting” people smoke tobacco or pot, “letting” people raise and school their own kids, or “letting” people walk around without ID. To the extent the U.S. is adopting that you-only-have-what-the-government-allows-you-to-have mentality, we are hastening our decline.

    40. #40 |  Matt D | 

      Economic jealousy doesn’t help anyone. The question isn’t whether my slice of the pie is as big as someone else’s, but whether it is getting bigger over time. If my economic situation is improving, even if someone else’s is improving faster, how does it help me to torpedo the system (or to cheer when something torpedoes it)?

      Well, for one thing, increases in your wages may be trending toward 0, at which point your economic situation would not be improving. For another thing, if your income is growing slower than literally everyone else’s, then chances are your inflation-adjusted wage growth is actually negative.

    41. #41 |  Waste | 


      One thing to understand is that an IA is not a criminal investigation. It is completely seperate. In the GA case you have the prosecutor asking from a warrant (criminal side of the investigation) while the internal is still on going with his department. To further illustrate the difference is that in an IA you will generally be given a Garrity advisement. It’s name comes from a court decision. One aspect of this is that nothing that comes out while under the advisement can be used against you in a criminal proceeding. The reason I believe is that there is no 5th amendment protection in an IA.


      One thing that I didn’t see mentioned in this story that is significant is if the department the officer worked for was the same as the department that responded. Many officers do not live in the jurisdiction they work. If he did than his department may have called in an outside department to investigate to avoid a conflict. Not saying that did happen but it does happen. In that case not arresting and seeking a warrant would not be that unusual.

      As for being in jail before the investigation that isn’t how things work. Or at least suppose to work. There has to be probably cause of the arrest and to be sent to jail. The investigation establishes the probably cause. State laws differ, but where I am in many felony cases suspects are released pending charges. The fact there were broken bones would indicate to me that it is a felony though GA law may differ. That means they are detained, but not arrested, the case is sent to a investigator that then seeks a warrant on the person. Once the warrant is issued, then the person is arrested. Again, not saying that is the case here as GA may do things differently than where I am. So the seeking of the warrant instead of an arrest on site doesn’t seem too unusual to me at this point in the story. The delay also isn’t so unusual. There was a holiday on Monday so there could be a delay nor do we know if they have a back log. From what I’ve seen here a couple weeks for a warrant is not that unusual.

      Yes there are bad cops. There are also whitewash investigations. Just as there are DA’s that don’t charge officers when they should. However in this specific case so far I don’t see anything out of the ordinary based on the information given. Other than the conduct of the officer of course. Right now I’d say let it play out before we claim they are all involved in a cover up. Or at least til we have some more solid information that that is the case.

    42. #42 |  freedomfan | 

      Matt D, certainly, bad trends are bad trends, regardless of which derivative we are looking at. And, generally, I only speak in terms of real wages, inflation-adjusted (though it’s sometimes worth considering issues in how inflation is measured/reported).

      My point was that a bad trend for wealthy people doesn’t imply a good trend for the non-wealthy and that people snickering about some problem that has hit the wealthy are usually just being foolish.

    43. #43 |  jppatter | 

      #34 “Why didn’t the reporter dig a little harder on this one.”

      Because that might involve having to work hard and ask tough questions.

    44. #44 |  Mario | 

      On the off-duty officer handcuffing the woman in Georgia, the article states: “[H]e but did not have a badge or any identification with him.”

      Is becoming a police officer like being granted knighthood? Do you become a different class of citizen? I would think that — outside of an emergency situation, in which case any of us would have the authority to take actions necessary to save lives — a cop should have no authority should he lack his credentials.

    45. #45 |  JS | 

      Mario “Is becoming a police officer like being granted knighthood? Do you become a different class of citizen? ”

      For all intents and purposes, yes. Since out gutless media and politicians won’t hold them accountable they are in fact, above the law.

    46. #46 |  Waste | 


      While you would think that is true it’s not always the case. Though in many cases an off duty officer or even an on duty officer that is outside their jurisdiction has no enforcement powers. Some states grant them the powe to detain in some circumstances such as a felony commited in their presence. This varies by State of course.

      As for the second part it again may vary by State. However some only require that the officer identify themselves as such. This can be done verbally and they do not have to show a badge to prove it. What is to stop someone from falsely claiming to be an officer? Nothing really. Though impersonating an officer is also a crime.

    47. #47 |  Michael Chaney | 

      Waste, thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, it doesn’t help beyond possibly shedding light on something that needs to be changed.

      I think it’s nice that an IA is taking place (“nice” here in the context of telling my child “I think it’s nice that you caught a frog, now run along”). However, the officer committed at least one felony and likely two. These are *criminal* acts. If the report is correct, that makes him a (all together now) *criminal*. Criminals belong (all together now) in jail.

      The IA is a good thing for the department to fire someone who’s possibly not mentally stable based (on this account). But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t face criminal charges and go to jail. Losing your job isn’t a penalty, it’s just the result of being unfit for the job.

      The cop at the scene should have arrested him. Period.

      A lot of what freaks us out around here in these cases is not the actions of the rogue cops – it’s the guys who are in a position to stop the rogue cops but instead side with them.

    48. #48 |  Chuchundra | 

      Michael Moore’s utter hypocrisy is just sickening. It’s hard to believe that after all the bullshit that GWB did while he was president, the left so willfully ignores the fact that their favorite dictator is ten time worse than our previous president.

      Umm…Hugo Chavez is no more a dictator than George W. Bush was. He is the legitimately elected President of Venezuela. He was elected in 1999, defeated a recall vote in 2004 and won re-election in 2006 with over 60% of the vote.

    49. #49 |  David | 

      ‘McMoore said she applied for a warrant in DeKalb County Magistrate Court. As of Wednesday afternoon, no warrant had been issued.’

      Which means the next phase will involve Ms McMoore constantly getting pulled over and ticketed, parking tickets, etc until she realizes who’s in charge.

    50. #50 |  MattJ | 


      Your reply relies wholly on the implication that one cannot be a dictator if one is elected. Being a dictator has nothing to do with elections, except inasmuch as dictators generally won’t stand for free and fair elections that might cost them their power.

      There is nothing theoretically wrong with the idea of a country that wants to be ruled by a dictator, and keeps electing (in free and fair elections, even!) the same guy to do the job. In fact, many of Castro’s fans probably wouldn’t be his fans if they couldn’t keep convincing themselves that the Cuban elections are free and fair, and the Cuban people actually want the Castro Bros running things.

      If you want to convince us that Chavez is not a dictator, don’t tell us that he was elected: tell us how he doesn’t have the power to shut down his opposition by turning off television and radio stations. And so on.

    51. #51 |  BamBam |,2933,548940,00.html?test=latestnews

      Wisconsin Innocence Project gets DNA tested, man goes free after serving 13 years in jail for murder he didn’t commit. All based on the word of jailed informants. The word of someone is enough to establish probable cause, get a warrant, make an arrest, and convince a jury of guilt. WTF????????? We are all fucking doomed as this can happen to anyone.

    52. #52 |  Waste | 


      I’m not disagreeing with you. Many people assume the IA and criminal charges are one and the same. They aren’t. Pesonally I don’t think any police department should investigate criminally one of their own. To much potential for a conflict or appearance of conflict, favoritism, etc. An outside department with jurisdiction should investigate it.

      The IA can only make determinations in regards to the person continued employement at the agency. Generally they can unfound it, written reprimand, suspend with pay, suspend without pay, or terminate.

      Again the IA and criminal charges are completely seperate other than they regard the same incident. You can have an IA that terminates someone and no charges are filed or an IA that unfounds something and they are charged and convicted.

      Before people jump to conclusions check to see if it’s standard for GA or the department involved to issue a warrant prior to arresting someone on felony charges. In some cases it is so the fact the person was not arrested immediately may not be an indicator of nefarious conduct by the officers that responded. The fact that a warrant was applied for, on first read, indicates to me that is the case.

      You have good reason to be freaked out when cops cover for other cops. However there is no indication so far that this is what happened in this case.

      I hope there is some follow up on this. What charges are listed on the warrant application? Also the police report should indicate if the charges are pending following the issuance of the warrant. The police report should be public information depending on the state disclosure law a felony report can be with held (prior to trial) or may have to go thru the DA to get a copy.

    53. #53 |  Frank | 

      Puppycide in Troy NY

      Dog shot during raid of family home, they guy they were looking for doesn’t even live there. So much for due diligence.

    54. #54 |  Pinandpuller | 

      The cop was wearing a PD ballcap for crying out loud!

      I wonder if he’s going to put in for overtime?

    55. #55 |  Fluffy | 


      I think you’re mistaken. The cops on the scene did not apply for or obtain a warrant. The victim took it upon herself to go to the courthouse and apply for a warrant, and the warrant has not been issued. The cops are probably pissing themselves laughing at this woman’s naivete in thinking that her complaint will result in an arrest.

    56. #56 |  Fluffy |

      Actually, Waste, upon further investigation, it appears that the criminal procedure laws in GA allow a victim to apply for a warrant after the police refuse to arrest.

      So the fact that the victim pursued a warrant at the courthouse is evidence that the police refused to respond, and not evidence that the police have some sort of ongoing arrest process underway.

      In order to obtain an arrest warrant, an applicant first needs a police report. It is possible that, upon the reporting of the matter to the police, the police may proceed with the investigation and arrest of the accused. If the police will not prosecute, then the applicant may apply to the Magistrate Court for the issuance of an arrest warrant. A $10 application fee is charged when the application is accepted. There is no fee for domestic violence cases.

    57. #57 |  Tomcatshanger | 

      I see noone is surprised that Moore hangs out with statist thugs given his past record of supporting statism over individual liberty.

    58. #58 |  supercat | 

      //I thought the big argument for letting the rich stay so disproportionately rich was because “they pay most of the taxes!!”//

      Entrepreneurs invest time and money into projects that they think will net a return sufficient to justify the effort they’re putting in and the risk that they may return less than desired. Such projects generally employ other people, and indeed most workers owe their employment to them.

      Put simply: people are willing to invest effort and take risks because they think that doing so will make them richer than other people who do not put forth such effort and take such risks, i.e. increase the “wealth gap”. Get rid of the “wealth gap” and there will no longer be any incentive for people to engage in the sorts of entrepreneurship that make economic growth possible.

      It is true that inflation will cause someone whose dollar-denominated wages remain constant to have a declining real wage. That in no way, however, implies that it is not possible for everyone to have increasing real wages, nor that an entrepreneur’s rapidly-increasing wage must devalue the more-slowly-increasing wages of his workers. If an executive doubles the value of income generated by his company each year, and increases his salary from 10% of that income to 20% (a fourfold increase in salary), the other workers will receive a smaller share of the generated income than they did before, but instead of dividing up 90% of the old income, they’ll be dividing up 160%. True, they only get a 77% raise (16/9-1) while the boss gets a 300% raise, but that’s still a 77% increase in real value.

    59. #59 |  Michael Chaney | 

      Again, Waste, understood, and thanks for your continued thoughts. But you’re missing what I’m getting at here.

      The victim had to apply for the warrant. Not the cop at the scene who should have arrested his buddy. The *victim* had to do it herself.

      Had *I* broken her wrist after kidnapping her, she wouldn’t have had to apply for the warrant as I’d already be in jail. The fact that he didn’t go to jail means the other cop is covering for him. Period, end of story.

      Everybody else here knows my stand, but in case you don’t: I believe cops should be held to a *far higher* standard than non-officers.

    60. #60 |  Waste | 

      Fluffy and Michael,

      I missed the part where the victim had to apply for the warrant. So I stand corrected on that part and thanks for pointing that out. This would also seem to indicate your concerns about covering for another another officer are well founded. My next question would be was a report even done on the incident? It would be interesting to get a copy of the CAD report and look at the call notes and the closing disposition. If the off duty officer and the responding officers were of different agencies than you can add the responding officers and agency to any civil suit. They should also probably be subject to an IA and not just the off duty officer.

    61. #61 |  Frank | 

      #38 The charge is “failure to fellate on command”

    62. #62 |  Ariel | 


      While I think you gave a very measured and thoughtful response, I have to agree with Michael Chaney #47. Losing your job is not a punishment, it is the result of poor performance, performance in a LEOs case that often means injury to someone else. Being charged with a crime for a criminal act is a punishment, one that seemingly applies equally, except that some are more equal than others.

    63. #63 |  Ariel | 


      There was a lot between before I commented. Again, I think you gave great responses. On IA, I think whitewash is simply too common, likely from the pressure of the culture. Mr. Balko has shown, as has numerous other sites, that on a particular incident where the IA issued a “no fault found” only to later find the officer either continuing to commit the same offense, or being tried and convicted for the very incident IA said “no fault found”.

      This is an indication of corruption or incompetence that we, as Americans, really shouldn’t tolerate.

    64. #64 |  Waste93 | 


      The problem is that an IA can’t pursue criminal charges. Granted it’s not a punishment for a criminal act but it isn’t designed to. Nor should it. If it could bring criminal charges then you would have two seperate criminal systems. One for law enforcement and another for everyone else. Or you would create a serious double jeopardy issue. Neither is desirable.

      An IA can only be inititiated by the employer. In many cases it may initiate one for something that happened outside their jurisdiction so they couldn’t bring criminal charges anyways.

      I agree that some get preferential treatment. Nor is it limited to law enfocement. Politicians also come to mind in that regard.

      I have seen many stories on this site of whitewash IA’s. My personal opinion is the agency thinks it will limited their liability. I don’t agree and think it actually ticks off the jury during the damages portion, but I suspect that is their thinking. I don’t think that a whitewash is to common (though you could argue just one occurance is to many) but I think it is more likely is certain kinds of incidents or certain types of agencies.

      A lot of complaints on officers are truly false. Many involve traffic tickets and come down to the person being mad that they got the ticket and will complain that the officer was rude or they didn’t get to see the radar, etc. Now being rude may be unprofessional but it is not criminal. You also have cases where the person is upset that they were arrested and will make up a story trying to get out of it. This isn’t a frequent occurance just as officer misconduct isn’t frequent. Though both are frequent enough that people are aware of them and make generalizations or jump to conclusions. There are a number of comments above that state ‘all officers are corrupt’. That is no more true than saying everyone that is arrested is guilty.

      Again, I think to many people don’t understand the difference between an IA and a criminal charge. Nor do I think the same agency should perform both. An outside has to be called in to perform one of those functions because of Garrity. The same agency knowing the results of an IA is to easily influenced in the pursuit of criminal charges and this would make it to easy to reverse any conviction.

      Most states I think have a “Color of Authority” statute that is basically a criminal enchancement to any crime commited by an on duty officer for example. The problem, as has been pointed out before, is getting the prosecution in the first place and then getting this charge also added. This law is a good one, the problem is getting people to enforce it of course.

    65. #65 |  pam | 

      maybe the Georgia woman was in a “no talk zone” and didn’t know it. Were there any signs?

      I think the new motto for America and could replace the controversial “In God We Trust” on money should be “I Got Mine, You Get Yours”. Now that’s being honest.

    66. #66 |  pam | 

      Waste @64 said:
      “Now being rude may be unprofessional but it is not criminal.”

      I think you just made the case for the woman who was handcuffed and her wrist broken and we don’t even know if she was rude. Thanks for making the case of the double standard so clear.

    67. #67 |  MacGregory | 

      “You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me? Then who the hell else are you talkin’ to? You talkin’ to me? Well I’m the only one here. Who the fuck do you think you’re talking to?”

      “No dipshit, I am not talking to you. I am on the phone. I just happened to be looking in your direction.”

    68. #68 |  Pinandpuller | 

      Can you hear me now?

    69. #69 |  JThompson | 

      Well the article says he was out of uniform, so that’s why he didn’t taser, pepper spray, or pistol whip her. If you don’t have a belt full of lethal weapons to use on an innocent citizen for no readily apparent reason, you just have to do the best you can.

      Silly woman, thinking she’s going to get some kind of justice when a cop was involved. What she’s probably going to end up getting is harassed by cops every time she walks out of her house.

    70. #70 |  Pinandpuller | 

      That would have been a good time for the victim to have a carry permit considering the “cop” didn’t have his piece or shield.

      I bet after that type of situation the cop would be hanging a stainless-steel gun off his shower-head.