It is bad enough that black people have been stopped for walking in the “wrong” place while black — a wrong America has worked hard to overcome (and exacerbated by the fact that many will pull the race card no matter what they were doing … that doesn’t help the innocent at all) …. but when an old white man can’t, either, that is clear evidence that we’re moving in the WRONG direction. It’s gotten WORSE, not better.

To say “hey, what’s wrong with that, welcome to the club” is absolutely assinine, self-congratulating leftist chest-beating, and illustrates the lowest common denominator mindset of the left. How does it make it better for the black man if we crank up the abuse on everybody. The dial needs to turn the OTHER way.

So yeah, my beef with police isn’t irrational, it’s learned. The next time you wonder why so many people treat police like shit, look at the assholes you work with. I’m an upper-middle class white guy from Chicago and my whole life I’ve been told that police are my friend. Still, I wouldn’t piss in your mouth if your lungs were on fire.

my hatred is rational.

According to Jack Dunphy, if Dylan had aggressively asserted his 4th Amendment rights, he would have deserved to get shot.

“Fluffy seems flabbergasted at the idea that cops could actually want to help someone.”

Did Bob ask for help?

Hi, I’m from the government, and I’m here to help you. Show me your papers, or you’re under arrest. It’s for your own good! I am trying to HELP YOU, sir! Get in the fucking car NOW!

One is reminded of the boy scout who “helped” the little old lady to cross the street, even though she didn’t want to cross the street.

billy-jay said:

“that’s the strategy for ensuring the best possible outcome when dealing with police: make sure the[y] think you couldn’t have been any nicer”

Be sure to lick their boots to the highest possible shine. Do WHATEVER THE POLICE TELL YOU TO DO, with a smile on your face, and with plenty of “yes, sirs”. Otherwise, you deserve what’s coming to you. Why do people have any problem with this?

thorn said:

“You seem to imply that only after I come home and see a broken window should I call the police”

Right – why wait until a crime is actually committed? Lock people up, detain them, hassle them PRIOR to their committing any crime, i.e. while they’re still innocent. Isn’t being “unfamiliar” enough? Probable cause? What are you, a card-carrying member of the ACLU? Because strolling around without ID is pre-crime for sure.

Dave W. said:

“I think the important legal question is whether Dylan consented to be transported by the police.”

Consented? Come on! You speak as if he is a citizen with so-called rights, instead of a subject who’d best to keep his damn mouth shut and cooperate fully with the Proper Authorities, who are our rightful Lords and Masters!! The anti-cop mentality on this board is shameful!

js said:

“if you had done that here you would have been told to go back in your house right now and shut the fuck up, or you would have been beaten and arrested.”

Seriously, this is accurate. My father’s friend runs a business in town, and noticed one day that a cop car was parked in the entrance to the business, blocking it to customers. After an hour or so, he ambled up to the car and asked what was going on. The cop immediately arrested him. The charge? “Interfering with police business.” He spent the night in jail and had to bail a hefty bail amount. Part of the incarceration process was a perp walk on the steps of the county courthouse downtown. They had him in leg irons, dressed in an orange suit.

But the police are only trying to HELP us.

Only the libertarians in your head, dumbass. But let me guess, libertarians are just neo-cons who smoke pot, right?

Oh boo hoo hoo.

Look, I don’t see why you would have a problem with my last post. I basically said that any police officer who sees me walking down the street and doesn’t stop to hassle me is a nice and helpful police officer. What problem could you possibly have with that?

Just don’t insult my intelligence and expect me to believe that a cop who would stop and say, “What are you doing here? Show me some ID!” is trying to help me. Give me a fucking break. Maybe you could argue that they would [mistakenly] think that they were trying to help “society”, but in that situation they definitely, unquestionably aren’t trying to help me.

And if my next-to-last post strikes you as contributing to an “us vs. them mentality”, tough. Being singled out and approached as “suspicious” in the absence of probable cause, being questioned and detained, and being driven around in the back of a squad car, subordinates and demeans the subject. That’s why it should be reserved for criminals. It’s precisely the fact that you think it’s just routine, no harm no foul, that makes it appropriate for us to adopt an “us. vs. you” mentality.

One time was during the riots in Cincinnati; there was a cop parked on our street at 2am in the morning. I walked out and asked him why he was sitting there; he replied “just making sure none of that trouble comes around here”. I thanked him for watching our street, wished him well, and went back inside.”

Well you’re braver than I am thorn. Or you just don’t live in Texas, If you had done that here you would have been told to go back in your house right now and shut the fuck up, or you would have been beaten and arrested. So I guess the cops aren’t as brutal in Cincinnati, but they are in a lot of places.

A bit of a broad generalization, don’t you think. Are you a clairvoyant? Can you get “in the heads” of police recruits? Even though I disagree with many of LibCop’s points, your rhetoric lends support to his claim.

For the record, I believe that most abusive and/or corrupt police officers are made, not born. The system encourages a tribal, us v. them outlook more than anything private citizen’s do. And laws that encourage police to overreach, and invade people’s personal lives further damage the police officer, and his or her relationship with the community. Still, taking cheap shots (that you cannot support with evidence) doesnt’ help.

You haven’t? Well, I have… on more than one occasion.

One time was during the riots in Cincinnati; there was a cop parked on our street at 2am in the morning. I walked out and asked him why he was sitting there; he replied “just making sure none of that trouble comes around here”. I thanked him for watching our street, wished him well, and went back inside.

Another time, several cops were standing on our sidewalk with a obvious unmarked SUV and a couple of squadcars. I walked up, asked what was going on… they had just performed a search (and subsequent arrest) on the heroin dealer who lived upstairs from me – the same guy (who along with 2 friends) was standing outside my bedroom window every night with little baggies to sell to the people driving by with 22″ rims on their Camaros. I was rather glad to see his ass hauled out of the building.

Then there was the time a car exploded in our parking lot. I didn’t walk out and ask the cops what was going on; the flames, explosion, fireball, and subsequent sirens were self-explanatory.

Cops do lie sometimes. So do a lot of people that aren’t cops.