-1- They have access to all applicable official records which would show whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii.

-2- They have personally examined such records.

-3- Such records do in fact show that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there are no unexamined official records (including sealed ones) that might indicate otherwise.

I don’t care about seeing a certificate which may or may not be genuine–I want a clear and unequivocal official statement. The only statements I’ve seen equivocated. Why?

I suppose that Obama could check the box that denotes an alien authorized to work in the US. I mean, he won right?

Is stone-walled every single time.

Because Hawaii’s Department of Health has no paper records. The certificate of live birth is the actual birth certificate, now; there are no paper copies of any original record. There’s nothing to make a copy of.

A “certificate” of live birth has been proffered, along with some blurry newspaper announcements, but every attempt to get a public copy of the actual birth certificate–

Is stone-walled every single time.

Wanna kill the Birthers’ movement? Produce a “for public viewing” copy of Obama’s actual birth certificate. Then the critics will be silenced.

End of subject.

Well, great. You’re not the Hawaii Health Department, which (again) went completely paperless in 2001.

If birth announcements in newspapers are sufficient proof of identity, then we should all be outraged.

Right, I mean, it’s totally reasonable to expect that the parents of a young Kenyan boy would infiltrate Hawaiian newspapers so that their son could become president of another country, someday.

why let some guy run an entire country based on that?

It’s similar to the fact that it takes a dermatologist a week to determine if it’s a blackhead or a melanoma, but anybody with no training can instantly determine whether or not you’ve died – even though the second test is a lot more important than the first.

And, yes, you’re a crank. You’re literally an insane person.

In my line of work, I have to archive everything, things that are seemingly way less important than a senator’s birth record for what seems like forever. When I do, I scan the original document and store it on a disk. I don’t re-type it into a new format and then destroy the original. So I have what amounts to the original document as a PDF (older stuff on microfiche) and it looks a lot like the original document. If I saw the scanned copy of the long form, I personally would not nit pick over its validity — I’m sure others would, though. I’m not sure I would jump on board without hearing the evidence for why it was deemed fake.

If birth announcements in newspapers are sufficient proof of identity, then we should all be outraged. I can’t show up at an airport security checkpoint or even renew my driver’s license with 45 year old newspaper clippings, why let some guy run an entire country based on that?

Ok, I guess, but it’s a matter of public record that Hawaii’s Health Department went completely paperless in 2001. But, you don’t think it’s true.

Which is kind of my point – no evidence could convince you. If you can’t handwave it away with “laser printer” nonsense, you’ll just disbelieve it. I imagine the Governor of Hawaii could come here and confirm that, yes, Hawaii’s Health Department went paperless in 2001 and discarded all paper records, and it wouldn’t matter – you still wouldn’t “think that’s true.” Whatever, you’re a crank.

I can print up a pretty convincing COLB on my laser printer saying I was born in Hawaii, doesn’t mean I actually was.

Why, and I’m sure your laser printer could print two birth announcements in two different Hawaii newspapers, all the way back in 1969, too!

would it be too much trouble for him to produce the typed-out long form to prove them wrong?

Since it no longer exists? Yes, it would be a bit of trouble, I suspect.

States just destroy paper records and convert to electronic forms?

Yes!

They don’t archive anything under Iron Mountain anymore?

No!

Do you get it, yet?

States just destroy paper records and convert to electronic forms? They don’t archive anything under Iron Mountain anymore?

I just take everything the government says through its mouthpiece (the MSM) with a grain of salt.

I’m not sure why the government lying to the public is considered incomprehensible nonsense.

I thought we covered this. The simple explanation is that Hawaii has only electronic records now. Additionally, Barack Obama has been affirmed to be a citizen of the US, born in Hawaii, by the governor of Hawaii, that state’s attorney general, multiple federal courts, the Federal Election Commission, the United States Senate, the United States House of Representatives, and former President Bush.

The “simple explanation” is that no amount of evidence will every suffice for the birther claims, because they can always handwave it away with “kerning” and “laser printer” and a ton of other nonsense that has no meaning except as conservative shibboleths.

WTF?

Truly you birthers are wrapped up in incomprehensible nonsense. Do you really think your comment has any meaning to anyone who isn’t steeped in your lame conspiracy theory?

The law is very complicated, and most of you seem oblivious to the fact that there are technicalities in it which could theoretically bite Obama in the ass regarding his citizenship.

It’s not just a matter of whether or not he is a US citizen, but also the nature of the citizenship he gained through his mother. The State Department’s website seems to imply that if his mother hadn’t been residing in the US for at least 5 years before giving birth to him that he would have been classified as a **naturalized** citizen.

IANAL, but I doubt there are any lawyers here who specialize in immigration law either.

The COLB as produced by the relevant Hawaiian agency is sufficient legal proof. That’s all that is required, for any purpose. Anyone demanding an “original long-form” birth certificate is just moving the goalposts.

I think Obama’s birth was recorded in his dad’s copy of “Das Kapital”.

We don’t know about Obama, but actually we do know that McCain was ineligible, as well. So much for our Constitution.