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	<title>Comments on: Puppycide in The Daily Beast</title>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324843</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Radley.  Linked here:

http://theultimateanswertokings.blogspot.com/2009/07/cops-and-dogs.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Radley.  Linked here:</p>
<p><a href="http://theultimateanswertokings.blogspot.com/2009/07/cops-and-dogs.html" rel="nofollow">http://theultimateanswertokings.blogspot.com/2009/07/cops-and-dogs.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324579</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks BamBam, and that&#039;s a clever position, kind of a tai-chi approach, the study of yielding and &quot;sticking&quot; to an incoming attack rather than attempting to meet it with opposing force.

Since there&#039;s no way to defeat the State head-on, perhaps accelerating it is its only weakness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks BamBam, and that&#8217;s a clever position, kind of a tai-chi approach, the study of yielding and &#8220;sticking&#8221; to an incoming attack rather than attempting to meet it with opposing force.</p>
<p>Since there&#8217;s no way to defeat the State head-on, perhaps accelerating it is its only weakness?</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324538</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for clarifying your statements.  By not clearly stating what you support before making reality statements, it can be interpreted as what you support=reality, especially for someone that hasn&#039;t read your comments over time and seen the consistency.  I have, but then noticed an apologist tone and thought, &quot;Is this someone else posting as Cynical, did he rise to a level of importance that required a visit from some government goons for reeducation, or did he change his position for some other reason?&quot;

I agree with your positions 95% of the time.  I tell people I want universal health care, I want more bailouts, I want UN control of our country -- I want these things and more so the crash of the system and society will be on an accelerated path.  If this doesn&#039;t wake people up, then we should just his the reset button on the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for clarifying your statements.  By not clearly stating what you support before making reality statements, it can be interpreted as what you support=reality, especially for someone that hasn&#8217;t read your comments over time and seen the consistency.  I have, but then noticed an apologist tone and thought, &#8220;Is this someone else posting as Cynical, did he rise to a level of importance that required a visit from some government goons for reeducation, or did he change his position for some other reason?&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with your positions 95% of the time.  I tell people I want universal health care, I want more bailouts, I want UN control of our country &#8212; I want these things and more so the crash of the system and society will be on an accelerated path.  If this doesn&#8217;t wake people up, then we should just his the reset button on the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324448</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26 &#124;  BamBam -- &quot;Cynical, are you now putting forth arguments that you agree with, or are you stating how The State (C) (TM) (R) is likely to debate anything but you disagree with the morality of these debate tactics? You should clarify your statements, as it sounds like you are being an apologist for the system.&quot;

It&#039;s refreshing to know that I am guilty of using the same kind of shorthand that I accuse others of.

BamBam, in no way do I endorse police tactics.  I am an anarchist, and as such profess non-violence.  I am merely making true statements about reality.

In a Statist world, where there are individuals selected by the State to enact and enforce its policies, certain realities such as puppycide are a given and are immutable.

The only perfect solution is to destroy the State, which would require a sea-change in humanity from fear and superstition to trust and reason -- an admittedly difficult goal.   Another reasonable but imperfect alternative is to decentralize power to the smallest possible unit (in my preference, the individual, though the family, clan, tribe or municipality may be viable).

Til then, the puppycide posts will come rolling in on schedule, morality notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 |  BamBam &#8212; &#8220;Cynical, are you now putting forth arguments that you agree with, or are you stating how The State (C) (TM) (R) is likely to debate anything but you disagree with the morality of these debate tactics? You should clarify your statements, as it sounds like you are being an apologist for the system.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s refreshing to know that I am guilty of using the same kind of shorthand that I accuse others of.</p>
<p>BamBam, in no way do I endorse police tactics.  I am an anarchist, and as such profess non-violence.  I am merely making true statements about reality.</p>
<p>In a Statist world, where there are individuals selected by the State to enact and enforce its policies, certain realities such as puppycide are a given and are immutable.</p>
<p>The only perfect solution is to destroy the State, which would require a sea-change in humanity from fear and superstition to trust and reason &#8212; an admittedly difficult goal.   Another reasonable but imperfect alternative is to decentralize power to the smallest possible unit (in my preference, the individual, though the family, clan, tribe or municipality may be viable).</p>
<p>Til then, the puppycide posts will come rolling in on schedule, morality notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhayader</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324443</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhayader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SJE: I think you might be mis-interpreting Cynical&#039;s stance (see my comment #27).

Of course, I may be wrong.  Cynical, care to weigh in?  You&#039;re a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a vest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SJE: I think you might be mis-interpreting Cynical&#8217;s stance (see my comment #27).</p>
<p>Of course, I may be wrong.  Cynical, care to weigh in?  You&#8217;re a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a vest.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynical in CA: I do not agree that police puppycide is permissible unless the situations are extreme.  The 4th and 5th amendments, especially, contain the words REASONABLE.  

This language is consistent with the legal and ethical understanding of proportionality.  For example, it is entirely reasonable to shoot and kill and imminent threat.  It is not reasonable to shoot someone for speeding.  With this understanding, LEOs frequently present the need for puppycide in the context of immediate threat to officer&#039;s life.  Of course, this context is only reasonable in certain situations: feeling imminent threat when merely knocking on the door suggests a lack of common sense and/or training.   As Radley has documented a lot of the imminent threat context is entirely generated by the LEOs themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynical in CA: I do not agree that police puppycide is permissible unless the situations are extreme.  The 4th and 5th amendments, especially, contain the words REASONABLE.  </p>
<p>This language is consistent with the legal and ethical understanding of proportionality.  For example, it is entirely reasonable to shoot and kill and imminent threat.  It is not reasonable to shoot someone for speeding.  With this understanding, LEOs frequently present the need for puppycide in the context of immediate threat to officer&#8217;s life.  Of course, this context is only reasonable in certain situations: feeling imminent threat when merely knocking on the door suggests a lack of common sense and/or training.   As Radley has documented a lot of the imminent threat context is entirely generated by the LEOs themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhayader</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324428</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhayader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I read it, Cynical is simply pointing out that virtually any potential misconduct can be (and is) explained away based on vague &quot;professional judgment&quot;-type standards.  It doesn&#039;t sound at all like an &lt;i&gt;endorsement&lt;/i&gt; of that reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I read it, Cynical is simply pointing out that virtually any potential misconduct can be (and is) explained away based on vague &#8220;professional judgment&#8221;-type standards.  It doesn&#8217;t sound at all like an <i>endorsement</i> of that reality.</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324423</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynical, are you now putting forth arguments that you agree with, or are you stating how The State (C) (TM) (R) is likely to debate anything but you disagree with the morality of these debate tactics?  You should clarify your statements, as it sounds like you are being an apologist for the system.

Reality dictates that you are close to being right.  However, morality dictates something almost opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynical, are you now putting forth arguments that you agree with, or are you stating how The State (C) (TM) (R) is likely to debate anything but you disagree with the morality of these debate tactics?  You should clarify your statements, as it sounds like you are being an apologist for the system.</p>
<p>Reality dictates that you are close to being right.  However, morality dictates something almost opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhayader</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324403</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhayader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cynical: Yeah, it&#039;s as though there is no possible offense that an officer could commit short of cold-blooded, pre-meditated murder.

Manslaughter?  Reckless endangerment?  Animal cruelty?  Vandalism?  Please.  If there is even a hint of mitigation or &quot;judgment&quot;, he is completely off the hook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cynical: Yeah, it&#8217;s as though there is no possible offense that an officer could commit short of cold-blooded, pre-meditated murder.</p>
<p>Manslaughter?  Reckless endangerment?  Animal cruelty?  Vandalism?  Please.  If there is even a hint of mitigation or &#8220;judgment&#8221;, he is completely off the hook.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324397</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fluffy, the issue is not necessarily &quot;distraction,&quot; but diversion.

A police officer might resort to shooting a TV or radio that was blasting so loud he couldn&#039;t hear anything else.  I could see that.  Not so much with wind chimes.

The difference is between animate and inanimate objects.  A dog is animate and therefore unpredictable, and therefore can be considered a diversion.

None of this matters anyway, because a police officer can always say that he used his judgment in discharging his weapon.  As soon as he does that, the three other questions are asked:

1.  Was he acting in official capacity?

2.  Was he acting for personal gain?

3.  Was he acting solely out of malice?

If the answers are all &quot;no,&quot; then the State will defend him.  Your charges of reckless endangerment will not stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fluffy, the issue is not necessarily &#8220;distraction,&#8221; but diversion.</p>
<p>A police officer might resort to shooting a TV or radio that was blasting so loud he couldn&#8217;t hear anything else.  I could see that.  Not so much with wind chimes.</p>
<p>The difference is between animate and inanimate objects.  A dog is animate and therefore unpredictable, and therefore can be considered a diversion.</p>
<p>None of this matters anyway, because a police officer can always say that he used his judgment in discharging his weapon.  As soon as he does that, the three other questions are asked:</p>
<p>1.  Was he acting in official capacity?</p>
<p>2.  Was he acting for personal gain?</p>
<p>3.  Was he acting solely out of malice?</p>
<p>If the answers are all &#8220;no,&#8221; then the State will defend him.  Your charges of reckless endangerment will not stand.</p>
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		<title>By: Fluffy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324387</link>
		<dc:creator>Fluffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Have you ever considered the difference between Police work and Postal or Meter reading? I don’t know, like a delivery man who encounters a dog can stop and give his full attention to dealing with the dog, whereas police may not have that as an option, where a distraction could put them in danger not from the dog but from the people. Just asking.&lt;/i&gt;

So the police can pull their weapons and shoot loud radios?  Or wind chimes?  Or TV&#039;s?  Anything that might &quot;distract&quot; them?  Is &quot;distraction&quot; the new bullshit excuse of the week?

The police should be required to justify every discharge of their weapon on the basis of imminent harm to themselves or others, or be guilty of reckless endangerment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Have you ever considered the difference between Police work and Postal or Meter reading? I don’t know, like a delivery man who encounters a dog can stop and give his full attention to dealing with the dog, whereas police may not have that as an option, where a distraction could put them in danger not from the dog but from the people. Just asking.</i></p>
<p>So the police can pull their weapons and shoot loud radios?  Or wind chimes?  Or TV&#8217;s?  Anything that might &#8220;distract&#8221; them?  Is &#8220;distraction&#8221; the new bullshit excuse of the week?</p>
<p>The police should be required to justify every discharge of their weapon on the basis of imminent harm to themselves or others, or be guilty of reckless endangerment.</p>
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		<title>By: A.G. Pym</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324383</link>
		<dc:creator>A.G. Pym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do cops own dogs?  Sure, but they&#039;re _people_ you see.  Not like those others.

Whole thread brought me to mind of Rudyard Kipling, &quot;Power of the Dog.&quot;

http://kipling.thefreelibrary.com/Power-of-the-Dog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do cops own dogs?  Sure, but they&#8217;re _people_ you see.  Not like those others.</p>
<p>Whole thread brought me to mind of Rudyard Kipling, &#8220;Power of the Dog.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://kipling.thefreelibrary.com/Power-of-the-Dog" rel="nofollow">http://kipling.thefreelibrary.com/Power-of-the-Dog</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it doesn&#039;t have to be a swat team to initiate a dynamic entry. I&#039;ve seen cops force themselves into plenty of homes with minimal to no justification. 911 has caused lots of headaches for people- they call for help and want EMS or fire, but get cops, too. I have seen cops initiate action because of code violations, drug violations, too many dogs, illegal immigration, improperly licensed businesses, etc. 911 is great when you NEED it, but it can lead to huge headaches. It&#039;s like a sledgehammer and a lot of people really just need a stapler. Dialing 911 automatically opens your life to scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it doesn&#8217;t have to be a swat team to initiate a dynamic entry. I&#8217;ve seen cops force themselves into plenty of homes with minimal to no justification. 911 has caused lots of headaches for people- they call for help and want EMS or fire, but get cops, too. I have seen cops initiate action because of code violations, drug violations, too many dogs, illegal immigration, improperly licensed businesses, etc. 911 is great when you NEED it, but it can lead to huge headaches. It&#8217;s like a sledgehammer and a lot of people really just need a stapler. Dialing 911 automatically opens your life to scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324366</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True SJE, but even among the general population, the danger, however miniscule, is always there.

All the police need is a microscopic crack in the door and they&#039;re golden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True SJE, but even among the general population, the danger, however miniscule, is always there.</p>
<p>All the police need is a microscopic crack in the door and they&#8217;re golden.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324362</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynical in CA, you raise a good point, one that I do not see raised by the law enforcement community with any regularity.  This is probably because it wouldnt survive the laugh test. In a SWAT raid on people known to be violent, the guard dogs are there to guard and distract. Shooting them is appropriate for officer safety.  The problem is that the principles of a SWAT entry are used in general police work where there is correspondingly less need to act in such a hostile manner against people, dogs and property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynical in CA, you raise a good point, one that I do not see raised by the law enforcement community with any regularity.  This is probably because it wouldnt survive the laugh test. In a SWAT raid on people known to be violent, the guard dogs are there to guard and distract. Shooting them is appropriate for officer safety.  The problem is that the principles of a SWAT entry are used in general police work where there is correspondingly less need to act in such a hostile manner against people, dogs and property.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324342</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be far more interesting for everyone if, instead of down-arrowing, the dissenter would attempt a logical refutation.

I&#039;m all ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be far more interesting for everyone if, instead of down-arrowing, the dissenter would attempt a logical refutation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324296</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to point out the obvious, but the reason cops shoot dogs is because dogs don&#039;t shoot back.  

Oh.  And, of course, there&#039;s that other reason that motivates much of their activity: &quot;Because they can&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to point out the obvious, but the reason cops shoot dogs is because dogs don&#8217;t shoot back.  </p>
<p>Oh.  And, of course, there&#8217;s that other reason that motivates much of their activity: &#8220;Because they can&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324291</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... it’s not the shooting of Mayor Calvo’s dogs that disturbs me, it’s that the police conducted a raid in that situation to begin with.&quot;

Good point Eric.  And The Agitator does excellent work publicizing the proliferation of SWAT raids and the military mindset of police forces nationwide, especially as regards the drug war, which it is becoming increasingly obvious is close to the root of the evil, which is in fact Statism itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; it’s not the shooting of Mayor Calvo’s dogs that disturbs me, it’s that the police conducted a raid in that situation to begin with.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point Eric.  And The Agitator does excellent work publicizing the proliferation of SWAT raids and the military mindset of police forces nationwide, especially as regards the drug war, which it is becoming increasingly obvious is close to the root of the evil, which is in fact Statism itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Seymour</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324285</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Seymour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no reason at all for a cop to shoot a dog when he&#039;s not involved in a high-risk action like a raid or in pursuit of a suspect, and when he can safety retreat beyond the dog&#039;s reach.

However, I agree with Cynical in CA that even when a dog can&#039;t physically threaten an officer in a raid or pursuit situation, it can act as a distraction which would either allow a suspect to escape or harm the officer.  Therefore it&#039;s not the shooting of Mayor Calvo&#039;s dogs that disturbs me, it&#039;s that the police conducted a raid in that situation to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no reason at all for a cop to shoot a dog when he&#8217;s not involved in a high-risk action like a raid or in pursuit of a suspect, and when he can safety retreat beyond the dog&#8217;s reach.</p>
<p>However, I agree with Cynical in CA that even when a dog can&#8217;t physically threaten an officer in a raid or pursuit situation, it can act as a distraction which would either allow a suspect to escape or harm the officer.  Therefore it&#8217;s not the shooting of Mayor Calvo&#8217;s dogs that disturbs me, it&#8217;s that the police conducted a raid in that situation to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/20/puppycide-in-the-daily-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-324283</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;you obviously&#039; not &#039;you&#039;ve obviously&#039;- oops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;you obviously&#8217; not &#8216;you&#8217;ve obviously&#8217;- oops</p>
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