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	<title>Comments on: America Still Supporting Torture . . . But in That Other War</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: kt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/18/america-still-supporting-torture-but-in-that-other-war/comment-page-1/#comment-324379</link>
		<dc:creator>kt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Alex, --- re you&#039;re having no boss--- I&#039;d forgotten you&#039;re a libertarian, which means trust fund baby who wants to be liberated from any taxes on the loot mummy/daddy ripped off from the masses._</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Alex, &#8212; re you&#8217;re having no boss&#8212; I&#8217;d forgotten you&#8217;re a libertarian, which means trust fund baby who wants to be liberated from any taxes on the loot mummy/daddy ripped off from the masses._</p>
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		<title>By: nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that in this economy it seems only Uber-bankers and drug cartels are the ones truly prospering, you have to ask why would we want to bail out banks that are up to their hair follicles in laundered drug money...which further services the cartels? The billions they make far outstrip anything Uncle sends by way of &#039;foreign aid&#039;. And considering the double hit the US taxpayer is taking (the &#039;aid&#039; &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; the cost of inflating the currency supply via the Fed Reserve/Treasury two-step)  it becomes even clearer that we&#039;re only feeding a beast we&#039;re supposed to be starving.

Prior to 1914 and the first Federal anti-drug laws, there were no cartels worth mentioning. After the laws came the crime, corruption, and sundry evils associated with the illegal drug trade. And now, the government is in effect bankrupt, so why do we keep acting as if it wasn&#039;t and send billions down another black hole; wasn&#039;t Plan Colombia enough of a failure? How many times must we lead with the chin before we realize that this is just what the opposition wants?

Legalize the crap and let the idiots kill themselves, &lt;b&gt;just as we let alcoholics do with booze&lt;/b&gt;. The rest of us can use them as object lessons for kids to ponder. This idiocy has gone on long enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that in this economy it seems only Uber-bankers and drug cartels are the ones truly prospering, you have to ask why would we want to bail out banks that are up to their hair follicles in laundered drug money&#8230;which further services the cartels? The billions they make far outstrip anything Uncle sends by way of &#8216;foreign aid&#8217;. And considering the double hit the US taxpayer is taking (the &#8216;aid&#8217; <b>and</b> the cost of inflating the currency supply via the Fed Reserve/Treasury two-step)  it becomes even clearer that we&#8217;re only feeding a beast we&#8217;re supposed to be starving.</p>
<p>Prior to 1914 and the first Federal anti-drug laws, there were no cartels worth mentioning. After the laws came the crime, corruption, and sundry evils associated with the illegal drug trade. And now, the government is in effect bankrupt, so why do we keep acting as if it wasn&#8217;t and send billions down another black hole; wasn&#8217;t Plan Colombia enough of a failure? How many times must we lead with the chin before we realize that this is just what the opposition wants?</p>
<p>Legalize the crap and let the idiots kill themselves, <b>just as we let alcoholics do with booze</b>. The rest of us can use them as object lessons for kids to ponder. This idiocy has gone on long enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Web Watch 07/13/09 – 07/19/09 &#171; EXECUTIVE WATCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Web Watch 07/13/09 – 07/19/09 &#171; EXECUTIVE WATCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The article mentions that the report could endanger U.S. funding but Radley Balko notes that the crackdown has been praised and funded by U.S. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The article mentions that the report could endanger U.S. funding but Radley Balko notes that the crackdown has been praised and funded by U.S. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Red Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when Prez.Calderon is gone ,will the Merida Plan die from lack of support? My guess is YES, even though the cartels and the USA /UN  actually support it&#039;s continuation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when Prez.Calderon is gone ,will the Merida Plan die from lack of support? My guess is YES, even though the cartels and the USA /UN  actually support it&#8217;s continuation.</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There’s just plain dumb.
There’s dumber than a fence post dumb.
And then, there’s Drug Warrior Dumb™

And all three of the members of Congress from my district/state are the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s just plain dumb.<br />
There’s dumber than a fence post dumb.<br />
And then, there’s Drug Warrior Dumb™</p>
<p>And all three of the members of Congress from my district/state are the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While many politicians avoid talking about the failed war on drugs at all, others occasionally slip up and say some remarkably stupid things.

Such is the case with this state senator from Texas when he responded this spring to citizens protesting the violence in border cities during a Fox News interview.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LujvhOiZNFU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt; Well, we believe, Bill, that it&#039;s the drug cartels who paid the people to protest&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

The good senator then proceeds to launch into several minutes of self promotional bloviation.

There&#039;s just plain dumb.
There&#039;s dumber than a fence post dumb.
And then, there&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Drug Warrior Dumb™&lt;/i&gt;

The sad thing is that this dude is smart enough to know what&#039;s really happening and why, but chooses instead to pander to the ignorance of his social conservative immigrant hating base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While many politicians avoid talking about the failed war on drugs at all, others occasionally slip up and say some remarkably stupid things.</p>
<p>Such is the case with this state senator from Texas when he responded this spring to citizens protesting the violence in border cities during a Fox News interview.</p>
<blockquote><p>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LujvhOiZNFU" rel="nofollow"><i> Well, we believe, Bill, that it&#8217;s the drug cartels who paid the people to protest</i></a>.
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<p>The good senator then proceeds to launch into several minutes of self promotional bloviation.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just plain dumb.<br />
There&#8217;s dumber than a fence post dumb.<br />
And then, there&#8217;s <i>Drug Warrior Dumb™</i></p>
<p>The sad thing is that this dude is smart enough to know what&#8217;s really happening and why, but chooses instead to pander to the ignorance of his social conservative immigrant hating base.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thorn, is it really your proposal that if massive numbers of people are NOT tortured, we&#039;ll have vending machines full of heroin in grade schools?

So, please allow me to torture everyone in your family (and make some just vanish) and you&#039;ll just have to trust me that it is for...I don&#039;t know...clearer cell phone reception.  Yay logic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorn, is it really your proposal that if massive numbers of people are NOT tortured, we&#8217;ll have vending machines full of heroin in grade schools?</p>
<p>So, please allow me to torture everyone in your family (and make some just vanish) and you&#8217;ll just have to trust me that it is for&#8230;I don&#8217;t know&#8230;clearer cell phone reception.  Yay logic!</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Kenji</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Kenji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torture in Latin American Police is a standard practice. The army? The hell, Army is not police, it´s even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torture in Latin American Police is a standard practice. The army? The hell, Army is not police, it´s even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assumed thorn was parodying drug warrior logic.  Oh well, it&#039;s funny either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assumed thorn was parodying drug warrior logic.  Oh well, it&#8217;s funny either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Bowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Bowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Thorn, we&#039;ll put them right beside the vodka machines that are already in every hallway due to its legal status. That&#039;s not cheap, stupid reductionism at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Thorn, we&#8217;ll put them right beside the vodka machines that are already in every hallway due to its legal status. That&#8217;s not cheap, stupid reductionism at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kt, I don&#039;t have a boss.  I used to, but I chose a career I enjoy and worked to develop the skills and reputation that now afford me the ability to work when and where I want.  I thought that was an easier route than joining some Zapatista revolution hoping an anarcho-communist (or whatever they&#039;re calling it now) regime would fill the world with fairies and unicorns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kt, I don&#8217;t have a boss.  I used to, but I chose a career I enjoy and worked to develop the skills and reputation that now afford me the ability to work when and where I want.  I thought that was an easier route than joining some Zapatista revolution hoping an anarcho-communist (or whatever they&#8217;re calling it now) regime would fill the world with fairies and unicorns.</p>
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		<title>By: thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I&#039;m a bit confused... so are you for or against affordable narcotic distribution for 8th graders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit confused&#8230; so are you for or against affordable narcotic distribution for 8th graders?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thorn,

Kids in high school get all the drugs they want without vending machines, right now!  Dealers don&#039;t card. You know?!   And the color of your kids&#039; money is no different than any other &quot;customer&quot;.   Keeping it the way it is guarantees fresh meat for the dealers at the local schools!
  
Talk about the drug war failing the kids!  But what kind of message do you want to send the kids?!!  Sorry, kids. We just don&#039;t care enough about you to change failed drug war policy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thorn,</p>
<p>Kids in high school get all the drugs they want without vending machines, right now!  Dealers don&#8217;t card. You know?!   And the color of your kids&#8217; money is no different than any other &#8220;customer&#8221;.   Keeping it the way it is guarantees fresh meat for the dealers at the local schools!</p>
<p>Talk about the drug war failing the kids!  But what kind of message do you want to send the kids?!!  Sorry, kids. We just don&#8217;t care enough about you to change failed drug war policy!</p>
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		<title>By: thorn</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/18/america-still-supporting-torture-but-in-that-other-war/comment-page-1/#comment-323093</link>
		<dc:creator>thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, time to just put heroin in high school vending machines and solve the drug crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, time to just put heroin in high school vending machines and solve the drug crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: kt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/18/america-still-supporting-torture-but-in-that-other-war/comment-page-1/#comment-323091</link>
		<dc:creator>kt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALEX, I could understand it&#039;s hard to grasp authentic journalism with your lips glued to your boss&#039;s ass. The view must be rather limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALEX, I could understand it&#8217;s hard to grasp authentic journalism with your lips glued to your boss&#8217;s ass. The view must be rather limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Buc</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/18/america-still-supporting-torture-but-in-that-other-war/comment-page-1/#comment-323084</link>
		<dc:creator>Buc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mexican government torturing people to get confessions?

Wow, I wondered what kind of policy-making job W had taken up now that he has all this spare time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mexican government torturing people to get confessions?</p>
<p>Wow, I wondered what kind of policy-making job W had taken up now that he has all this spare time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/18/america-still-supporting-torture-but-in-that-other-war/comment-page-1/#comment-323079</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Read narconews and none of this stuff will surprise you next time.&quot;

I prefer Alex Jones for my batshit crazy conspiracies.  He&#039;s much more entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Read narconews and none of this stuff will surprise you next time.&#8221;</p>
<p>I prefer Alex Jones for my batshit crazy conspiracies.  He&#8217;s much more entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how you do it, Radley. Just looking at this stuff makes me want to run and hide.

Very glad you&#039;re at it, though. Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how you do it, Radley. Just looking at this stuff makes me want to run and hide.</p>
<p>Very glad you&#8217;re at it, though. Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: kt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m talking &#039;70&#039;s -&#039;80&#039;s Chicago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m talking &#8217;70&#8242;s -&#8217;80&#8242;s Chicago.</p>
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		<title>By: kt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, if they&#039;d slapped &#039;em upside the head with a phone book. cuffed &#039;em to hot radiators, and hooked field telephones to their testicles, it&#039;d be just like Chicago. Besides, the CIA is the bigtime dealer. Read narconews and none of this stuff will surprise you next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, if they&#8217;d slapped &#8216;em upside the head with a phone book. cuffed &#8216;em to hot radiators, and hooked field telephones to their testicles, it&#8217;d be just like Chicago. Besides, the CIA is the bigtime dealer. Read narconews and none of this stuff will surprise you next time.</p>
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