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	<title>Comments on: Schumer Plays Up Sotomayor&#8217;s Authoritarianism</title>
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		<title>By: Supreme Court Says Warrant Required for GPS Tracking (See correction below) &#124; The Agitator</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-2611859</link>
		<dc:creator>Supreme Court Says Warrant Required for GPS Tracking (See correction below) &#124; The Agitator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] think it&#8217;s probably time for me to concede that I was wrong about Sotomayor. (See here, here, here, and here.) Not only has she not been a liability in criminal justice cases, you could make a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] think it&#8217;s probably time for me to concede that I was wrong about Sotomayor. (See here, here, here, and here.) Not only has she not been a liability in criminal justice cases, you could make a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321851</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Democrats are in the pocket of the rich and aggressive police and prison guard unions.

The Republicans are in the pocket of the rich and ruthless police and prison industry complex.

That leaves almost no one in power in America defending justice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats are in the pocket of the rich and aggressive police and prison guard unions.</p>
<p>The Republicans are in the pocket of the rich and ruthless police and prison industry complex.</p>
<p>That leaves almost no one in power in America defending justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#27 &#124;  Cynical in CA 

I don&#039;t need to read a book when I can see authoritarianism in action every day by simply watching the collusion of the Democrat and Republican leadership.

The constitutional ideal is to achieve objective justice. Reality dictates that I work with that ideal since tearing down the system is unrealistic and a cop-out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27 |  Cynical in CA </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need to read a book when I can see authoritarianism in action every day by simply watching the collusion of the Democrat and Republican leadership.</p>
<p>The constitutional ideal is to achieve objective justice. Reality dictates that I work with that ideal since tearing down the system is unrealistic and a cop-out.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321841</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#31 &#124;  Dave Krueger &#124;

While loud mouthed authoritarians may agree that the criminal justice system is not a problem saner voices are starting to be heard. Virginia Sen. Jim Webb has authored &lt;a href=&quot;http://mysite.verizon.net/aahpat/aandc/s714.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;S-714&lt;/a&gt; to establish a national criminal justice commission to evaluate the efficacy of a system that results in the world record prison population in the land of the free.

Numerous criminal justice and human rights reports each year attest to the failed American criminal justice system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31 |  Dave Krueger |</p>
<p>While loud mouthed authoritarians may agree that the criminal justice system is not a problem saner voices are starting to be heard. Virginia Sen. Jim Webb has authored <a href="http://mysite.verizon.net/aahpat/aandc/s714.htm" rel="nofollow">S-714</a> to establish a national criminal justice commission to evaluate the efficacy of a system that results in the world record prison population in the land of the free.</p>
<p>Numerous criminal justice and human rights reports each year attest to the failed American criminal justice system.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321839</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;#26    Pat 

Most everyone agrees that the American criminal justice system is broken and that there is plenty wrong with it. Particularly the imbalance in favor of the prosecution in both the courts and legislatures that has given America a world record prison population.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I don&#039;t know that most people would agree that the criminal justice system is broken, but if so, I don&#039;t think they would acknowledge an imbalance in favor of the prosecution.  I think the more popular public opinion is that the justice system grants &lt;i&gt;too many&lt;/i&gt; rights to the accused and not enough to the victims.

Of course, there&#039;s the chicken and egg question.  Is the justice system simply a reflection of the attitude of the public or is the public attitude a reflection of rhetoric coming from the justice system?  I tend to think they kind of feed each other which doesn&#039;t bode well for any hopes of improvement in the near term.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#26    Pat </p>
<p>Most everyone agrees that the American criminal justice system is broken and that there is plenty wrong with it. Particularly the imbalance in favor of the prosecution in both the courts and legislatures that has given America a world record prison population.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t know that most people would agree that the criminal justice system is broken, but if so, I don&#8217;t think they would acknowledge an imbalance in favor of the prosecution.  I think the more popular public opinion is that the justice system grants <i>too many</i> rights to the accused and not enough to the victims.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s the chicken and egg question.  Is the justice system simply a reflection of the attitude of the public or is the public attitude a reflection of rhetoric coming from the justice system?  I tend to think they kind of feed each other which doesn&#8217;t bode well for any hopes of improvement in the near term.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Dunkle</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321827</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Dunkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has a public defender ever made it to the Supreme Court?  I&#039;d love to see that some day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has a public defender ever made it to the Supreme Court?  I&#8217;d love to see that some day.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321816</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Schumer is a tool. A casual viewing of his &quot;questioning&quot; of the ATF&#039;s action @ Waco will confirm that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schumer is a tool. A casual viewing of his &#8220;questioning&#8221; of the ATF&#8217;s action @ Waco will confirm that.</p>
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		<title>By: seeker6079</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321805</link>
		<dc:creator>seeker6079</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It goes to show one just how batshit the conservative movement has become in America when a judge this conservative -- and this depressing to liberals and progressives --  is seen by the right as some kind of wild-eyed Marat.

Not that they&#039;d who know WhoTF Marat was.  That would involve reading and thinking and the American right gave that up a long, long, long time ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes to show one just how batshit the conservative movement has become in America when a judge this conservative &#8212; and this depressing to liberals and progressives &#8212;  is seen by the right as some kind of wild-eyed Marat.</p>
<p>Not that they&#8217;d who know WhoTF Marat was.  That would involve reading and thinking and the American right gave that up a long, long, long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pat, for your further education, please read John Hasnas, &quot;The Myth of the Rule of Law.&quot;

In it you will discover that there is no such thing as objective law.  Laws are not self-interpreting, they require interpretation by human beings who always carry idiosyncratic subjective viewpoints.

The result is a system that Dave Krueger has described, one where only a certain type of individual rises to a position of power, shaped by the system and its primary need of self-preservation, which trumps all other considerations.

Reforming the current force-based system is hopeless.  Substantial change can only come through abolition of this system and the founding of a new system based on cooperation, not force.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, for your further education, please read John Hasnas, &#8220;The Myth of the Rule of Law.&#8221;</p>
<p>In it you will discover that there is no such thing as objective law.  Laws are not self-interpreting, they require interpretation by human beings who always carry idiosyncratic subjective viewpoints.</p>
<p>The result is a system that Dave Krueger has described, one where only a certain type of individual rises to a position of power, shaped by the system and its primary need of self-preservation, which trumps all other considerations.</p>
<p>Reforming the current force-based system is hopeless.  Substantial change can only come through abolition of this system and the founding of a new system based on cooperation, not force.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321797</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The rule of law means to be ruled by laws not by the prejudices of men and women.

Most everyone agrees that the American criminal justice system is broken and that there is plenty wrong with it. Particularly the imbalance in favor of the prosecution in both the courts and legislatures that has given America a world record prison population.

Any objective jurists should be able to find plenty wrong with this system. Sotomayor sided with the prosecution 92% of the time. A clear bias for her career friends, the prosecution. When any jurist finds so consistently for their prejudices and identity group they are using the law to impose the will of their group. This is not justice. This is no longer the rule of law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rule of law means to be ruled by laws not by the prejudices of men and women.</p>
<p>Most everyone agrees that the American criminal justice system is broken and that there is plenty wrong with it. Particularly the imbalance in favor of the prosecution in both the courts and legislatures that has given America a world record prison population.</p>
<p>Any objective jurists should be able to find plenty wrong with this system. Sotomayor sided with the prosecution 92% of the time. A clear bias for her career friends, the prosecution. When any jurist finds so consistently for their prejudices and identity group they are using the law to impose the will of their group. This is not justice. This is no longer the rule of law.</p>
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		<title>By: scott in phx az</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott in phx az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[besides all that - the woman is stupid.

listening to her is almost painfull.

what an embarrassisng legacy for the Obama administration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>besides all that &#8211; the woman is stupid.</p>
<p>listening to her is almost painfull.</p>
<p>what an embarrassisng legacy for the Obama administration.</p>
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		<title>By: billy-jay</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321784</link>
		<dc:creator>billy-jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@JThompson (21):

Yeah. I know, man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JThompson (21):</p>
<p>Yeah. I know, man.</p>
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		<title>By: Judas Peckerwood</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321692</link>
		<dc:creator>Judas Peckerwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this lefty&#039;s opinion, there&#039;s no bigger scumbag in the U.S. Senate than Schumer. A couple of ties for the dishonor, mind you -- Lieberman, Landrieu, and the Nelson twins to name a few -- but none bigger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this lefty&#8217;s opinion, there&#8217;s no bigger scumbag in the U.S. Senate than Schumer. A couple of ties for the dishonor, mind you &#8212; Lieberman, Landrieu, and the Nelson twins to name a few &#8212; but none bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: dave smith</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321640</link>
		<dc:creator>dave smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no problem with a justice system that is &quot;tough on crime.&quot;  But let&#039;s just make absolutly sure those we are tough on are criminals (real criminals) first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with a justice system that is &#8220;tough on crime.&#8221;  But let&#8217;s just make absolutly sure those we are tough on are criminals (real criminals) first.</p>
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		<title>By: JThompson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321622</link>
		<dc:creator>JThompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@billy: No, they pretty much aren&#039;t. Neither are republicans. That was kinda my point. It&#039;s just about impossible to tell the difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@billy: No, they pretty much aren&#8217;t. Neither are republicans. That was kinda my point. It&#8217;s just about impossible to tell the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321578</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually have no issue with being &quot;tough on crime&quot;.  I mean, real crime.  Same with victims&#039; rights.  Again, I have no issue with that.  I think it&#039;s great that victims get to face the criminals in court and let them know what they&#039;ve done.  It&#039;s easy to abstract this away and call a crime by a simple name, but real people are affected in real ways.

Here&#039;s where the normal law and order crowd, who&#039;s been cheering up to now, will break ranks:

I believe that criminals in uniform or who have a title like &quot;DA&quot; should be treated the &quot;toughest&quot;, if you will.  See, law and order *starts* with non-corrupt law enforcement and prosecution.  If those elements are criminal, there is no law and order.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have no issue with being &#8220;tough on crime&#8221;.  I mean, real crime.  Same with victims&#8217; rights.  Again, I have no issue with that.  I think it&#8217;s great that victims get to face the criminals in court and let them know what they&#8217;ve done.  It&#8217;s easy to abstract this away and call a crime by a simple name, but real people are affected in real ways.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where the normal law and order crowd, who&#8217;s been cheering up to now, will break ranks:</p>
<p>I believe that criminals in uniform or who have a title like &#8220;DA&#8221; should be treated the &#8220;toughest&#8221;, if you will.  See, law and order *starts* with non-corrupt law enforcement and prosecution.  If those elements are criminal, there is no law and order.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sotomayor Freakout &#171; Wintry Smile</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321570</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sotomayor Freakout &#171; Wintry Smile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] for some distressing facts, try Schumer Plays Up Sotomayor’s Authoritarianism.  I feel like as liberals, we&#8217;ve gotten so focused on the insanity of Republican complaints [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for some distressing facts, try Schumer Plays Up Sotomayor’s Authoritarianism.  I feel like as liberals, we&#8217;ve gotten so focused on the insanity of Republican complaints [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Sotomayor Rorschach &#171; Wintry Smile</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321568</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sotomayor Rorschach &#171; Wintry Smile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] for some distressing facts, try Schumer Plays Up Sotomayor’s Authoritarianism.  I feel like as liberals, we&#8217;ve gotten so focused on the insanity of Republican complaints [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for some distressing facts, try Schumer Plays Up Sotomayor’s Authoritarianism.  I feel like as liberals, we&#8217;ve gotten so focused on the insanity of Republican complaints [...]</p>
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		<title>By: billy-jay</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/15/schumer-plays-up-sotomayors-authoritarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-321554</link>
		<dc:creator>billy-jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ JThompson:

I don&#039;t believe that Democrats are good for anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JThompson:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that Democrats are good for anything.</p>
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		<title>By: donttread</title>
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		<dc:creator>donttread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re absolutely right, supercat, there is a significant portion of the movement considered &quot;conservative&quot; that is against the overreaching authoritarianism of the government, as shown by the conservative opposition to Real-ID. 

Earlier commenters hit it exactly right: pro-government means pro-authority, essentially by definition, whether seen in the D&#039;s or R&#039;s.

Since Democrats are the most pro-government, it is folly (and I believe has been one of Radley&#039;s misconceptions) to believe they will allow the messy business of civil liberties to get in the way of expanding the power and reach of the state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, supercat, there is a significant portion of the movement considered &#8220;conservative&#8221; that is against the overreaching authoritarianism of the government, as shown by the conservative opposition to Real-ID. </p>
<p>Earlier commenters hit it exactly right: pro-government means pro-authority, essentially by definition, whether seen in the D&#8217;s or R&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Since Democrats are the most pro-government, it is folly (and I believe has been one of Radley&#8217;s misconceptions) to believe they will allow the messy business of civil liberties to get in the way of expanding the power and reach of the state.</p>
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