<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: More on Immigration and Crime</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/</link>
	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:27:24 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: ShortWoman&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Those Worthless So-And-Sos</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-320904</link>
		<dc:creator>ShortWoman&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Those Worthless So-And-Sos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-320904</guid>
		<description>[...] employers don&#8217;t ask you for money, they pay you money); whatchoo talkin bout Willis Tower?; immigration and crime; living on borrowed money; tax cuts don&#8217;t create jobs; and homeless in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] employers don&#8217;t ask you for money, they pay you money); whatchoo talkin bout Willis Tower?; immigration and crime; living on borrowed money; tax cuts don&#8217;t create jobs; and homeless in the [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tomcatshanger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318883</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomcatshanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318883</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s very easy to lie with statistics.

What percent of the population growth was illegal aliens vs legal population growth?  Was the real population growth numbers tracked?  How did they decide what numbers for illegal aliens to use?

What is the rate of crime within the illegal alien population that is not reported at all?  Not addressing the under reporting of crime is a very easy way to &quot;show&quot; a drop in crime without it reflecting reality.

They go out of their way to ignore legality status, which is a very big clue as to the direction of their study.

Ignoring under reporting by illegal aliens is perhaps the biggest lie told by thie article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very easy to lie with statistics.</p>
<p>What percent of the population growth was illegal aliens vs legal population growth?  Was the real population growth numbers tracked?  How did they decide what numbers for illegal aliens to use?</p>
<p>What is the rate of crime within the illegal alien population that is not reported at all?  Not addressing the under reporting of crime is a very easy way to &#8220;show&#8221; a drop in crime without it reflecting reality.</p>
<p>They go out of their way to ignore legality status, which is a very big clue as to the direction of their study.</p>
<p>Ignoring under reporting by illegal aliens is perhaps the biggest lie told by thie article.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318461</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318461</guid>
		<description>I will stick my neck out hee a bit, but it is not the direct illegals that cause the challenges, it is their offspring.  Go back in history of all immigrants and the problems caused by the first generation offspring.  That I think would be an interesting study.  

Pacifically as to the current southern invasion.  Yes American owned companies are indeed employing large numbers of illegals.  Amazingly I would bet a bunch, that those companies are also owned by former Mexicans, err southerners first/second generation minorities!  

All minorities are granted some level of &quot;specialness&quot; from our government, and they have taken massive advantage of it.  

I&#039;ve listened to the exact same stuff about us employers taking advantage of those from another country for many years.  I could have NEVER hired a &quot;wetback&quot;, Poll, russian or anybody else EVER for less that what the law determined was an acceptable wage.  

But if I knew the target language and they did not know the resident language.... meaning they can talk, and I&#039;m their only source of information...  I&#039;m in a position of taking advantage.  I know from first hand accounts that such happened and continues to happen.  

Expand the thought to many persons of many different country sources with &quot;contacts&quot; within the USA.  

You are becoming enlightened.  It&#039;s not the us employer in charge any longer, it&#039;s the koyote, the one that speaks both languages and has the ability to manipulate the system.  

Such is but one reason you can&#039;t find a company laying plaster to a wall where anyone can actually speak English, sans a few words.  

See in reality slavery still exists in the US and many other countries today.  2009!  And we all still buy into it.  It just changed forms and industries.  

Such is a known, but never discussed, feeder to the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will stick my neck out hee a bit, but it is not the direct illegals that cause the challenges, it is their offspring.  Go back in history of all immigrants and the problems caused by the first generation offspring.  That I think would be an interesting study.  </p>
<p>Pacifically as to the current southern invasion.  Yes American owned companies are indeed employing large numbers of illegals.  Amazingly I would bet a bunch, that those companies are also owned by former Mexicans, err southerners first/second generation minorities!  </p>
<p>All minorities are granted some level of &#8220;specialness&#8221; from our government, and they have taken massive advantage of it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve listened to the exact same stuff about us employers taking advantage of those from another country for many years.  I could have NEVER hired a &#8220;wetback&#8221;, Poll, russian or anybody else EVER for less that what the law determined was an acceptable wage.  </p>
<p>But if I knew the target language and they did not know the resident language&#8230;. meaning they can talk, and I&#8217;m their only source of information&#8230;  I&#8217;m in a position of taking advantage.  I know from first hand accounts that such happened and continues to happen.  </p>
<p>Expand the thought to many persons of many different country sources with &#8220;contacts&#8221; within the USA.  </p>
<p>You are becoming enlightened.  It&#8217;s not the us employer in charge any longer, it&#8217;s the koyote, the one that speaks both languages and has the ability to manipulate the system.  </p>
<p>Such is but one reason you can&#8217;t find a company laying plaster to a wall where anyone can actually speak English, sans a few words.  </p>
<p>See in reality slavery still exists in the US and many other countries today.  2009!  And we all still buy into it.  It just changed forms and industries.  </p>
<p>Such is a known, but never discussed, feeder to the problem.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318449</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318449</guid>
		<description>I think Radley&#039;s work is great for debunking anti-immigrant prejudices, but not all crime is violent.

A commenter on Bud Kennedy&#039;s article points to a report on &lt;a href=&quot;http://cis.org/IdentityTheft&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;identity theft&lt;/a&gt; that makes a convincing case that rampant fake documentation has real victims, too. So while illegal immigrant communities are &lt;em&gt;safe&lt;/em&gt;, there are real costs unfairly imposed on the citizens whose identities were stolen to employ those communities.

If we&#039;re to be permissive about fake documentation, what does one say to the person finding themselves on the hook for loans they didn&#039;t borrow/crimes they didn&#039;t commit/tax bills for income they didn&#039;t receive, or being denied safety net benefits because of the actions of a 3rd party? Should the government offer everyone ID theft insurance, forcing taxpayers to foot the bill?

I&#039;m still very much torn on the immigration debate. I recognize that criminalizing a huge % of the population/economy is not a solution, but there &lt;em&gt;must&lt;/em&gt; be rational means to decentivize future illegal border crossings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Radley&#8217;s work is great for debunking anti-immigrant prejudices, but not all crime is violent.</p>
<p>A commenter on Bud Kennedy&#8217;s article points to a report on <a href="http://cis.org/IdentityTheft" rel="nofollow">identity theft</a> that makes a convincing case that rampant fake documentation has real victims, too. So while illegal immigrant communities are <em>safe</em>, there are real costs unfairly imposed on the citizens whose identities were stolen to employ those communities.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re to be permissive about fake documentation, what does one say to the person finding themselves on the hook for loans they didn&#8217;t borrow/crimes they didn&#8217;t commit/tax bills for income they didn&#8217;t receive, or being denied safety net benefits because of the actions of a 3rd party? Should the government offer everyone ID theft insurance, forcing taxpayers to foot the bill?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still very much torn on the immigration debate. I recognize that criminalizing a huge % of the population/economy is not a solution, but there <em>must</em> be rational means to decentivize future illegal border crossings.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: billy-jay</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318230</link>
		<dc:creator>billy-jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318230</guid>
		<description>Illegal immigrants are not to blame for costing taxpayers. Taxation is to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal immigrants are not to blame for costing taxpayers. Taxation is to blame.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dave smith</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318197</link>
		<dc:creator>dave smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318197</guid>
		<description>Don&#039;t you guys listen to Lou Dobbs?  Crime is dropping because Mexican drug kingpins are living in the US.

Duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you guys listen to Lou Dobbs?  Crime is dropping because Mexican drug kingpins are living in the US.</p>
<p>Duh.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mister DNA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318181</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister DNA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318181</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Listen to some spanish radio stations sometime. They’re not as grateful to bus your tables and mow your lawns as you’ve convinced yourself to think.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I dial it in and tune the station
They talk about the U.S. inflation
I understand just a little
No comprende, it&#039;s a riddle

I&#039;m on a Mexican radio. I&#039;m on a Mexican, whoa oh, radio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Listen to some spanish radio stations sometime. They’re not as grateful to bus your tables and mow your lawns as you’ve convinced yourself to think.</p></blockquote>
<p>I dial it in and tune the station<br />
They talk about the U.S. inflation<br />
I understand just a little<br />
No comprende, it&#8217;s a riddle</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on a Mexican radio. I&#8217;m on a Mexican, whoa oh, radio.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: shecky</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318164</link>
		<dc:creator>shecky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318164</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Listen to some spanish radio stations sometime. They’re not as grateful to bus your tables and mow your lawns as you’ve convinced yourself to think.&lt;/i&gt;

Not only that, I just hear on the radio about black helicopters and the New World Order. We are all doomed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Listen to some spanish radio stations sometime. They’re not as grateful to bus your tables and mow your lawns as you’ve convinced yourself to think.</i></p>
<p>Not only that, I just hear on the radio about black helicopters and the New World Order. We are all doomed!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David Hume</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318129</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318129</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;That was after subtracting the cost of emergency healthcare and their American-born children’s education&lt;/i&gt;

But did they subtract the cost of illegals in prison? General indigent healthcare? welfare? illegal immigrants generate a large amount of wealth, but usually for business owners. It&#039;s the taxpayer that foots the cost of everything else.

&lt;i&gt;they don’t have time to go around planning and plotting on the white man&lt;/i&gt;

Listen to some spanish radio stations sometime. They&#039;re not as grateful to bus your tables and mow your lawns as you&#039;ve convinced yourself to think.

But as long as they keep making great empanadas, it&#039;s all worth the trade-off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That was after subtracting the cost of emergency healthcare and their American-born children’s education</i></p>
<p>But did they subtract the cost of illegals in prison? General indigent healthcare? welfare? illegal immigrants generate a large amount of wealth, but usually for business owners. It&#8217;s the taxpayer that foots the cost of everything else.</p>
<p><i>they don’t have time to go around planning and plotting on the white man</i></p>
<p>Listen to some spanish radio stations sometime. They&#8217;re not as grateful to bus your tables and mow your lawns as you&#8217;ve convinced yourself to think.</p>
<p>But as long as they keep making great empanadas, it&#8217;s all worth the trade-off</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318109</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318109</guid>
		<description>I like it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nando</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-318108</link>
		<dc:creator>Nando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.theagitator.com/?p=13804#comment-318108</guid>
		<description>It would make sense that if immigrants are busy working their asses off, they don&#039;t have time to go around planning and plotting on the white man.

Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would make sense that if immigrants are busy working their asses off, they don&#8217;t have time to go around planning and plotting on the white man.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

