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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Oatwhore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/06/30/morning-links-211/comment-page-1/#comment-311449</link>
		<dc:creator>Oatwhore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Length of original U.S. Constitution: 11 pages. Length of most recent energy/cap-and-trade/global warming bill: 1,200 pages.&lt;/i&gt;


This is a fallacy I see again and again.

The constitution is the law that is supposed to govern the government. Notice it&#039;s pretty light, vague, and full of loopholes. And then they don&#039;t even follow that.

US statutes are laws that are supposed to govern the people, etc. Notice these are heavy, wordy, confusing, inscrutable, etc. 

Both the short length of the constitution and the long length of statutory laws stem from the same problem. The government gets to do what it wants and the people do not.</description>
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<p>This is a fallacy I see again and again.</p>
<p>The constitution is the law that is supposed to govern the government. Notice it&#8217;s pretty light, vague, and full of loopholes. And then they don&#8217;t even follow that.</p>
<p>US statutes are laws that are supposed to govern the people, etc. Notice these are heavy, wordy, confusing, inscrutable, etc. </p>
<p>Both the short length of the constitution and the long length of statutory laws stem from the same problem. The government gets to do what it wants and the people do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Chet</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/06/30/morning-links-211/comment-page-1/#comment-310864</link>
		<dc:creator>Chet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why not just throw the whole idea of minority assistance/affirmative action away and give people jobs biased on what their capabilities are?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because assessing those capabilities is the problem. Look, we did it the informal way for decades, where managers were supposed to just &lt;I&gt;know&lt;/I&gt; how capable their employees were; the not-so-surprising result of that was that regardless of who was actually more qualified than whom, the managers usually perceived the whites as more qualified than the blacks and the men more qualified than the women.

Frankly, until libertarians and conservatives are willing to grapple with the decades-long systematic racism against women and minorities that persists even to this day, their &quot;white-man-just-can&#039;t-catch-a-break&quot; nonsense just looks like self-centered privilege. It&#039;s still the case that the resume of a white person with a felony record still gets twice as many callbacks as the resume of someone with no criminal record and a black-sounding name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why not just throw the whole idea of minority assistance/affirmative action away and give people jobs biased on what their capabilities are?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because assessing those capabilities is the problem. Look, we did it the informal way for decades, where managers were supposed to just <i>know</i> how capable their employees were; the not-so-surprising result of that was that regardless of who was actually more qualified than whom, the managers usually perceived the whites as more qualified than the blacks and the men more qualified than the women.</p>
<p>Frankly, until libertarians and conservatives are willing to grapple with the decades-long systematic racism against women and minorities that persists even to this day, their &#8220;white-man-just-can&#8217;t-catch-a-break&#8221; nonsense just looks like self-centered privilege. It&#8217;s still the case that the resume of a white person with a felony record still gets twice as many callbacks as the resume of someone with no criminal record and a black-sounding name.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/06/30/morning-links-211/comment-page-1/#comment-310577</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricci v. Dipterans - 
God I’m getting tired of the term “reverse discrimination”.  There’s nothing reverse about it, its just plane discrimination. It shouldn’t matter what color a person is, they can still be discriminated against.  Why not just throw the whole idea of minority assistance/affirmative action away and  give people jobs biased on what their capabilities are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricci v. Dipterans &#8211;<br />
God I’m getting tired of the term “reverse discrimination”.  There’s nothing reverse about it, its just plane discrimination. It shouldn’t matter what color a person is, they can still be discriminated against.  Why not just throw the whole idea of minority assistance/affirmative action away and  give people jobs biased on what their capabilities are?</p>
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		<title>By: Sauce for the gander &#171; The Quick and the Dead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sauce for the gander &#171; The Quick and the Dead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thank you, Mr. Balko. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The next hot internet meme &#124; Skyehaven's Cool Thing of the Day</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/06/30/morning-links-211/comment-page-1/#comment-310090</link>
		<dc:creator>The next hot internet meme &#124; Skyehaven's Cool Thing of the Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Agitator)    Written by Skyehaven in: People [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Catch 22 for HR offices is certainly a big problem, but not in the Ricci case.   Read Alito&#039;s concurrence; it&#039;s the most damning document I&#039;ve seen since the Smoking Gun ripped A Million Little Pieces.   Here&#039;s the summary: discarding the tests was a purely political move to appease an influential crooked black preacher, e.g. &quot;In that capacity, Rev. Kimber told firefighters that certain new recruits would not be hired because &#039;they just have too many vowels in their name[s].’”

Also, if you&#039;re &quot;sue&#039;d if you do, sue&#039;d if you don&#039;t,&quot; you&#039;re in the same position as facing no threat of lawsuit.  Do the right thing.  There&#039;s normally one person on a jury who sympathizes with that.

#3 -- I&#039;ve yet to hear how someone who believes a firefighter&#039;s promotion test could even possibly be biased is not, by definition, a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Catch 22 for HR offices is certainly a big problem, but not in the Ricci case.   Read Alito&#8217;s concurrence; it&#8217;s the most damning document I&#8217;ve seen since the Smoking Gun ripped A Million Little Pieces.   Here&#8217;s the summary: discarding the tests was a purely political move to appease an influential crooked black preacher, e.g. &#8220;In that capacity, Rev. Kimber told firefighters that certain new recruits would not be hired because &#8216;they just have too many vowels in their name[s].’”</p>
<p>Also, if you&#8217;re &#8220;sue&#8217;d if you do, sue&#8217;d if you don&#8217;t,&#8221; you&#8217;re in the same position as facing no threat of lawsuit.  Do the right thing.  There&#8217;s normally one person on a jury who sympathizes with that.</p>
<p>#3 &#8212; I&#8217;ve yet to hear how someone who believes a firefighter&#8217;s promotion test could even possibly be biased is not, by definition, a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 &#124;  bobzbob

You are hereby informed that you have infringed on Dave Krueger&#039;s sarcasm copyright, and that you must cease and desist immediately and forthwith.

/served</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 |  bobzbob</p>
<p>You are hereby informed that you have infringed on Dave Krueger&#8217;s sarcasm copyright, and that you must cease and desist immediately and forthwith.</p>
<p>/served</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Length of original U.S. Constitution: 11 pages. Length of most recent energy/cap-and-trade/global warming bill: 1,200 pages.&lt;/i&gt;

So?

&lt;i&gt;I have yet to hear a detailed discussion on whether the test was actually fair or not. Most editorials and pundits just seem to assume it was if they are rooting for the plaintiffs, and assume it wasn’t if rooting against.&lt;/i&gt;

Fairness isn&#039;t really the issue so much as whether the city was complying with its legal obligations when they chucked the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Length of original U.S. Constitution: 11 pages. Length of most recent energy/cap-and-trade/global warming bill: 1,200 pages.</i></p>
<p>So?</p>
<p><i>I have yet to hear a detailed discussion on whether the test was actually fair or not. Most editorials and pundits just seem to assume it was if they are rooting for the plaintiffs, and assume it wasn’t if rooting against.</i></p>
<p>Fairness isn&#8217;t really the issue so much as whether the city was complying with its legal obligations when they chucked the results.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The San Diego County Sheriff&#039;s Department announced Monday that it has launched an internal affairs investigation into a deputy&#039;s use of pepper spray at a fundraising party for Francine Busby on Friday night in Cardiff.&quot;

Oh good.  I feel so much better now; surely this investigation will lead to swift punishment of those who violated regulations or the law.  (Insert eye-roll ... here)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The San Diego County Sheriff&#8217;s Department announced Monday that it has launched an internal affairs investigation into a deputy&#8217;s use of pepper spray at a fundraising party for Francine Busby on Friday night in Cardiff.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh good.  I feel so much better now; surely this investigation will lead to swift punishment of those who violated regulations or the law.  (Insert eye-roll &#8230; here)</p>
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		<title>By: MacGregory</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/06/30/morning-links-211/comment-page-1/#comment-309906</link>
		<dc:creator>MacGregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“We didn&#039;t hear anything until the sheriff came, with eight patrol cars and a helicopter,” said Natasha Cortina, 43, who said she and her two children were home with the windows open. 

So the &quot;new professionalism&quot; solution to disturbing the peace is to disturb the peace. That&#039;s about right. Fits in with their mission of saving an otherwise non-violent neighborhood from potential violence by bashing in doors and instigating violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We didn&#8217;t hear anything until the sheriff came, with eight patrol cars and a helicopter,” said Natasha Cortina, 43, who said she and her two children were home with the windows open. </p>
<p>So the &#8220;new professionalism&#8221; solution to disturbing the peace is to disturb the peace. That&#8217;s about right. Fits in with their mission of saving an otherwise non-violent neighborhood from potential violence by bashing in doors and instigating violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Snarky</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/06/30/morning-links-211/comment-page-1/#comment-309900</link>
		<dc:creator>Snarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Length of original U.S. Constitution: 11 pages. Length of most recent energy/cap-and-trade/global warming bill: 1,200 pages.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s because it&#039;s exactly 109.09 times more important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Length of original U.S. Constitution: 11 pages. Length of most recent energy/cap-and-trade/global warming bill: 1,200 pages.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s because it&#8217;s exactly 109.09 times more important.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can’t believe Guy Fieri hasn’t come within 45 miles of D.C. yet, though. &lt;/i&gt;

He probably doesn&#039;t want the CSPI and the Meme Roths of the world giving him a headache about &quot;producing food porn&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can’t believe Guy Fieri hasn’t come within 45 miles of D.C. yet, though. </i></p>
<p>He probably doesn&#8217;t want the CSPI and the Meme Roths of the world giving him a headache about &#8220;producing food porn&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: bobzbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobzbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one of the big problems with the constitution is its brevity!  A substantially longer and more explicit document would certainly have been an improvement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of the big problems with the constitution is its brevity!  A substantially longer and more explicit document would certainly have been an improvement!</p>
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		<title>By: Nando</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/06/30/morning-links-211/comment-page-1/#comment-309868</link>
		<dc:creator>Nando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;#12 &#124;  Spleen &#124;  June 30th, 2009 at 11:08 am
&lt;blockquote&gt;I have yet to hear a detailed discussion on whether the test was actually fair or not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I noticed this also. One of the interviewees on NPR said black people don’t do as well on multiple choice tests, and this test was 60% multiple choice. This is evidence of racial bias?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, and that same NPR story also said that the UNION requires that the tests be this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#12 |  Spleen |  June 30th, 2009 at 11:08 am</p>
<blockquote><p>I have yet to hear a detailed discussion on whether the test was actually fair or not.</p></blockquote>
<p>I noticed this also. One of the interviewees on NPR said black people don’t do as well on multiple choice tests, and this test was 60% multiple choice. This is evidence of racial bias?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, and that same NPR story also said that the UNION requires that the tests be this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Max D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoy how the commenters in the TPMDC story blame police thuggery on their &quot;conservatism.&quot; I didn&#039;t realize thuggery was a left/right thing; I thought it was a blue thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoy how the commenters in the TPMDC story blame police thuggery on their &#8220;conservatism.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t realize thuggery was a left/right thing; I thought it was a blue thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Police bring six cruisers, eight cops, a helicopter, and use pepper spray to break up . . . a fundraiser for a Democratic congressional candidate.&quot;

Couldn&#039;t have happened to a nicer bunch of Statists.

I laughed so hard I blew fucking coffee out my nose all over my monitor.

Glad to see police brutality is moving up the food chain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Police bring six cruisers, eight cops, a helicopter, and use pepper spray to break up . . . a fundraiser for a Democratic congressional candidate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t have happened to a nicer bunch of Statists.</p>
<p>I laughed so hard I blew fucking coffee out my nose all over my monitor.</p>
<p>Glad to see police brutality is moving up the food chain!</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/06/30/morning-links-211/comment-page-1/#comment-309863</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Length of original U.S. Constitution: 11 pages. Length of most recent energy/cap-and-trade/global warming bill: 1,200 pages.&quot;

&quot;One thing, one thing leads to another ...&quot; -- The Fixx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzymBKGV8rw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Length of original U.S. Constitution: 11 pages. Length of most recent energy/cap-and-trade/global warming bill: 1,200 pages.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;One thing, one thing leads to another &#8230;&#8221; &#8212; The Fixx</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzymBKGV8rw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzymBKGV8rw</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It ended with Barman, 60, being arrested and jailed on suspicion of battery on a peace officer, and resisting, delaying and obstructing a peace officer.&quot;

In other words, another person arrested on the charge of being arrested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It ended with Barman, 60, being arrested and jailed on suspicion of battery on a peace officer, and resisting, delaying and obstructing a peace officer.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, another person arrested on the charge of being arrested.</p>
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		<title>By: Spleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have yet to hear a detailed discussion on whether the test was actually fair or not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I noticed this also.  One of the interviewees on NPR said black people don&#039;t do as well on multiple choice tests, and this test was 60% multiple choice.  This is evidence of racial bias?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have yet to hear a detailed discussion on whether the test was actually fair or not.</p></blockquote>
<p>I noticed this also.  One of the interviewees on NPR said black people don&#8217;t do as well on multiple choice tests, and this test was 60% multiple choice.  This is evidence of racial bias?</p>
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		<title>By: andyinsdca</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyinsdca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s left out of the story about the cops vs fundraisers is that there was a guy in the tree near the property screaming bad words at the people (all sorts of insults, etc) and the smart money is on this heckler being the 911 caller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s left out of the story about the cops vs fundraisers is that there was a guy in the tree near the property screaming bad words at the people (all sorts of insults, etc) and the smart money is on this heckler being the 911 caller.</p>
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