http://www.motorcycletourer.com/Safety/Fatigue.pdf

Please check the following urls, then see if your statements still hold. Please also be aware that not always, was a crossbeam used. Many of the early ‘Christians’ were crucified along roads, on simple beams planted into the ground, or balanced. They too, died of asphyxiation, although some took several days to do so.

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Crucifixtion
crucifixion
Method of capital punishment among the Persians, Seleucids, Jews, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD. The condemned man was usually whipped and forced to drag the crossbeam to where the upright was standing. His hands were tied or nailed to the crossbeam, which was attached to the upright 9–12 ft (2.5–3.5 m) above the ground, and his feet bound or nailed to the upright. Death was by heart failure or asphyxiation. Political or religious agitators and those without civil rights were crucified. Its overwhelming association today is with Jesus. Crucifixion was abolished by Constantine I in AD 337 after his conversion to Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion
Crucifixion is an ancient method of painful execution in which the condemned person is tied or nailed to a large wooden cross (of various shapes) and left to hang until dead. The term comes from the Latin crucifixio, fixed to a cross, from prefix cruci-, cross, + verb ficere, fix or do.[1]

For a Doctor’s point of view see:
http://www.konnections.com/Kcundick/crucifix.html

#39 Hamburglar007 to answer, in part, your question:

My husband and I had many articles and pictures of far more than what can be found now. Things we collected from the time before 9/11, from before we went into Iraq, and onward. The 2 hottest areas of the burning of our home were the bedroom, and the computer room.. gee, I wonder why?

Why, when they mentioned 3 people who died while being *ahem* interrogated, not include the victim who was found in a box of ice, to make it appear he died at a different time than when he truly did? Also, where is John Walker, a US citizen who was tortured while on board a US Navy ship not mentioned at all anymore? Some of you may remember him as the guy shown in a wooden box, wearing only a loincloth and rag over his eyes, otherwise naked and mistreated during the entire voyage.

I think Obama’s primary draw was that he was relatively new to DC, therefore possibly not involved with much of what Bush and Cheney were. Yet, when he won, he was quickly apprised of what he could and could not do. He’s also still better than Mc(killer)Cain would have been. For those who don’t know anyone who was in the Navy when the ship he was on burned, killing many seamen on the flight line of the carrier. I was, and I had friends on that ship. McCain started his airplane “hot”, which meant there was fuel coming from his plane, which ignited the plane following him off the ship. He was also offered his freedom within months of being ‘captured’ in Vietnam… he turned it down.
Please understand that ‘we the people’ do NOT put the person we want, into the White House, the House of Representatives (gag) do. Politics will remain the same as always until enough people get smart enough to see the truth, and angry enough to do something to change it.. if they live to do so.

BTW, IMHO, any use of drugs that does not harm anyone, other than the user, is not a crime.

Have you ever had a broken rib? If so, did you find it difficult to breathe normally? I have, and I did. Trust me, it would be bloody apparent to anyone, if that man had walked to the US forces, that he already had some physical impairment !

While I’m here, thanks a bunch for this website. I think that, having been here, and reading the article from the NewYorker.. that there is now another person/organization responsible for the arson set fire of our home; in which, my husband and myself were supposed to die. You see, some have speculated it might have been a case of mistaken identity, that the arsonist might have thought we were actually the people who lived nearby, who might have been party to a dirty drug deal.
On reflection, having read this, maybe, just maybe, it had a whole lot more to do with some of the stuff we had on our computers.. the pictures, the proof that 9/11 was not done by terrorists, without the assistance of the US government. That, along with some of the ‘sensitive’ subjects my husband has worked on, would make a whole lot more sense, knowing what we know about that fire.

The article might not be authoritative, but it’s probably closer to the truth than your unfounded speculation about what else might have happened.

Just to be clear, I think we totally agree that the US should not be torturing people. I just need more evidence than this before condemning US forces for acting outside US policy.

The guy who said “What, the NYT wouldn’t report this?” There are lots of hits for Mr. al-Jamadi’s name at the NYT, but all the accusations are that he was beaten by Navy SEALS. Time Magazine did report the asphyxiation story when the autopsy came out in 2005. So I’d say that checks out. Even the asphyxiation came more from the sandbag over his head than the crucifixion though.

#19 Chance

How is guarding or assisting in the guarding of national borders not within the scope of the military?

IMHO, the military is supposed to be used to protect the integrity of the borders from national security threats, not drug interdiction. No one who opposes the drug war (which includes most libertarians) is going to be thrilled at the prospect of anything that makes that militarizes the drug war.

You, on the other hand, have been bamboozled. You’ve let emotion cloud your judgment, and got suckered by weasel words.

“essentially been crucified” != “been crucified”

“been crucified” = “been crucified”

“essentially been crucified” = “hasn’t been crucified”

If there’s a crime, prosecute it. The fact that they had to resort to misleading, inflammatory language suggests that there is much, much more to the story.

BTW, by linking to this story, you essentially lied to us all (meaning that you didn’t actually lie, of course.)

Obviously, this has huge potential for law enforcement use (and abuse), but it also makes possible the option to interrogate terrorist suspects without the use of torture techniques. In effect, the “ticking time bomb” justification for torture could be made obsolete.

Of course, that doesn’t bear on whether we should prosecute people of used torture during the Bush/Cheney years, but it suggests that torture may be made obsolete, in our lifetime, by technology (at least among us civilized nations — haha!).

Which, of course, makes it all the more horrific.