Yes, and yes. Where’s the gotcha again?

Well, since a man can’t have an abortion, and can’t legally force a woman to have or not have one, arguably our opinions do matter somewhat less. Not a popular thing to say I know.

It occurs to me that the abortion debate for libertarians is a lot like a black hole for physicists. The Theory of Relativity works just fine at large scales. Quantum Theory works just fine for minuscule scales. However, neither quite fits with the other. A black hole is the one place in the universe where both theories must be invoked to explain the phenomenon, but because they don’t fit you get all kinds of problems, paradoxes, and plain old gibberish when you run the numbers. Likewise, abortion is the one place in the libertarian universe where the laws of liberty collide. It’s like dividing by zero or something.

Rereading it now, maybe not.

Defense Department quiz for new employees describes political protests as low-level terrorism.

As long as the anti-globalization movement wants to describe organized rioting as ‘political protests’, at least some protests ARE low-level terrorism.

Suppose an accurate in-utero test is devised that can determine if a child will be a congressman?

Would you abort the fetus?
1) Yes
2) NoYes
3) MaybeYes

;)

Suppose an accurate in-utero test is devised that can determine if a child will be homosexual:

1) How many microseconds will pass between the announcement and a “statementus Latinus” from the Vatican turning abortion from a no-no into a requirement if the test is positive?

2) How far will the heads of Pat Robertson, “Doctor” Dobson, and board of Focus on the Family expand before exploding?

#50 Fay

http://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm

Thanks for posting that link. I am only about half way through, but I find it an impressively reasoned and thought provoking approach to the argument.

I think Aresen is right. We argue it here by repeating the same simplistic arguments that convince no one of anything. Only by questioning themselves is anyone ever likely to change their mind on this issue.

The reason I am not interested in an abortion thread is that the issue has been rehashed endlessly. I have not seen a new argument in 30+ years. The debate is going nowhere and most threads about it descend into ad hominem or are godwinned.

I am simply tired of hearing the arguments repeated.

(BTW: I am strong pro-choice, so don’t bother blaming my reluctance to debate this on mysogyny.)

Well, then, get it out without killing it and give it away would seem to be at least an option.

Like the internet?

Anyways…

Maybe Rep. Kirk should be more concerned with policing and giving long sentences to all our corrupt politicians who dick around with taxpayer money in these here parts (IL). And “super pot”. Ha! My maman and I were joking about that last night. We figure the only thing that “super pot” will make you do is eat MORE Cheetos and Oreos. Ooohhh! Everybody run!…to the store, we need more snacks.

http://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm

Also conspicuously absent is the punishment for women who seek abortions. Women have been aborting unwanted babies since the beginning of time. Should they all have been imprisoned or executed?

Here’s some context that makes it worse: she graduated from law school (*). And yet she still doesn’t understand the First Amendment.

(*) Allegedly. Since her bio says that she was “on law revue at Georgetown,” I’m not sure how seriously to take it.