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By: Police - Roleplayer Guild - Forum Roleplaying Games

Police - Roleplayer Guild - Forum Roleplaying Games — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:11:03 +0000

[...] with it. Different articles: Police taser a pregnant woman Policeman shoots a fireman in court Puppycide (pretty much about how cops are rather trigger happy towards dogs) And many more. Ayup. [...]

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Feds Storm Wrong Apartment in Drug Raid | Reflections From A Rotting Nation — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:46:43 +0000

[...] sure this was a traumatic experience for her, but it’s a good thing she didn’t have a dog. Share it: News, Police State No Related [...]

By: In fear, Police shoots and kills 11-year-old Miniature Daschund - Christian Forums

Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:44:47 +0000

[...] cops shooting dogs? Are they all on the payroll of the Cat Mafia or something? As I said, this is very common. "Ohio family returns home to find cops tased, then shot and killed their five pound [...]

By: SmartDogs

SmartDogs — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:50:50 +0000

Wow. So many incidents and - a quick search of the news shows you still missed a few. Including one where a dog was tazered. Holy dog crap. Do I need to buy kevlar vests for my pack?

By: markm

markm — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:39:14 +0000

#49 | Stephen

“Hey, don’t the jackboots go up higher than a chihuahua can bite?”

Yes, but it’s impossible to get a good shine on dog-chewed leather.

By: Cynical in CA

Cynical in CA — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:23:08 +0000

“The problem is that there is no effort to either retrain these fools or remove them. Letting them retain rank and authority sends the wrong message to ALL parties.”

Agree with your premise that this causes problems, but how to deal with the unions?

By: Toastrider

Toastrider — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:10:29 +0000

A point that I made to a friend today:

It isn’t so much that there are ‘a few bad apples’. The problem is that there is no effort to either retrain these fools or remove them. Letting them retain rank and authority sends the wrong message to ALL parties.

And that will cause more problems than a thousand ‘bad apples’.

By: reefshark

reefshark — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:00:16 +0000

I thought that the police are trained to “protect and serve”. Since the owner of the chained dog”s property was in danger from the police dog…they should have shot the police dog and “protected” the citizen’s property. Since they “had no control” over their police dog it would have been justified.

By: Stormy Dragon

Stormy Dragon — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:22:24 +0000

Sorry, Stormy, it’s not that simple. Ears forward can mean curious, attentive, or dominant/confident. Ears back is not necessarily scared. Dogs also put their ears back when they are in a state of relaxation or submission.

We were discussing in terms of a dog running toward you. A relaxed, submissive dog isn’t going to charge you. And a confident/dominant dog may charge, but they’re not going to attack you.

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By: John

John — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:33:07 +0000

Sorry, Stormy, it’s not that simple. Ears forward can mean curious, attentive, or dominant/confident. Ears back is not necessarily scared. Dogs also put their ears back when they are in a state of relaxation or submission. Pay attention to a dog’s ears the next time you are petting one. Chances are they will go back and the dog’s mouth and face will relax. Ears back with bared teeth, on the other hand, is a surefire sign of aggression/fear. Reading a dog’s body language is never that simple. It might seem intuitive after having lots of experience with dogs, but it can get pretty iffy distinguishing between subtle differences in body language if you’re not familiar with dogs or have other stuff to think about.

That said, cops that indiscriminately shoot dogs are absolutely unworthy of their responsibilities. Beyond any political or personal misgivings about the role of law enforcement in our society, I think we can agree that it’s a shitty idea to fire a gun when your life is not being threatened where a miss or deflected round could mean someone–yes, possibly even a child–being seriously injured or killed. Why is this not being talked about? As frequently as these types of things happen, it’s only a matter of time before somebody is accidentally shot, and that would be a little on the tough side to spin.

By: James F

James F — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:33:52 +0000

It is only a matter of time before police officers end up having to shoot a dog owner after shooting a dog. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened multiple times already.

Because I hate to even imagine how I would respond if a police officer shot my (twelve pound) dog, but I imagine that it would take a fair amount of force to prevent me from dismembering the officer who did so. He sleeps in my bed, for crying out loud.

By: tsiroth

tsiroth — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:05:48 +0000

Stormy: You’re right of course regarding body language, but frankly, when a dog is charging at you unexpectedly and at full speed, it’s just not always that easy to get a good visual read of the dog’s body language in the few seconds you may have to react, especially without practice, and given the wide variety of shapes for a dog’s head and ears. I have to side with Tim C on this one.

I am a veterinary technician with many years of experience.
I’m comfortable with any breed, and fairly confident in my ability to read dog body language, which I credit as one of the reasons I’ve never been bitten.

And yet, on the occasions when I have been charged by dogs while out walking, I have not always been confident I could accurately gauge the dog’s intentions.

None of which excuses trigger happy cops.

By: Good Thing For Dogs That I’m Not A Cop « The NorLa Blog

Good Thing For Dogs That I’m Not A Cop « The NorLa Blog — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:39:39 +0000

[...] If I was a cop, all those dogs would be dead. [...]

By: Stormy Dragon

Stormy Dragon — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:01:12 +0000

I’ve had plenty of encounters, including a couple unnerving recent ones, where off-leash dogs approached me (quickly, barking) and despite my being relatively cool about such things I really couldn’t tell where they were coming from (though “playful” demeanor was far from obvious).

And yet I’m willing to bet you didn’t shoot any of these dogs.

Look it’s real easy, ears up and forward = I want to play, ears back or down = I’m angry/scared

By: pto892

pto892 — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:27:37 +0000

I own two Chihuahuas and a Beagle mix, so I have some experience on how to deal with smaller breeds. What the chi mix did was quite predictable-small breeds are well known for getting aggressive and fighting back when they feel threatened. They’ll often do this in situations where a larger breed will not, because they perceive a threat that can hurt them. It’s also pretty easy to deal with a smaller breed when cornered-simply throw a towel or the like over it and then scoop it up. And yes, a chihuahua can and will deliver a nasty bite if provoked, and what the cops did in the story was provoking it and turning on it’s defensive reflexes. It bit that hard because it was scared to death and wanted to escape. This is really just piss poor training on the part of the police here-if you don’t know how to deal with a dog (any breed, it doesn’t matter) then call in someone who does. Dogs act in a predictable fashion-big or small they will follow a pattern of behavior based upon pack behavior and instinct. Any animal control professional would have had that dog restrained in seconds without hurting it. It’s not that hard-so why are these cops allowed to carry a weapon if they can’t even deal with a dog without killing it?

By: seeker6079

seeker6079 — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:43:05 +0000

In other words; we elect to concede the proof of mundane human stupidity without ignoring the presence of systematic violence. They both exist.

Lord, yes.

By: Brandon Bowers

Brandon Bowers — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:47:13 +0000

Marty, I wish I could vote that up more than once. I wonder: Are police officers not allowed to own dogs? Surely if any of them did they would have a problem with all this unprovoked slaughter.

By: Theo

Theo — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:58:08 +0000

Both dogs are doing well. Max was treated and released for his bullet wound, which pretty much grazed his neck.
Bogie the police dog is back to work with a punctured snout.

Aaawh! A happy ending!

By: Aresen

Aresen — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:12:14 +0000

#50 | Tim | June 9th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

My 9 and 7-year-old kids have more command of strange dogs than these idiots…

Be fair, Tim. Your 9 and 7-year old kids are also smarter, more thoughtful and have better manners. You can’t expect cops to live up to your kids’ standards.