The Answer’s in the Question

Thursday, May 28th, 2009

In an article about the feds’ 70 percent ownership stake in GM, a New York Times reporter asks:

There are cultural challenges, too. Can the government help turn around a company known for its bureaucratic approach to business?

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24 Responses to “The Answer’s in the Question”

  1. #1 |  Tokin42 | 

    Ha, good catch. Amazingly there are a lot of people who think that what GM needs is just that, more bureaucracy.

  2. #2 |  Aresen | 

    Can a bloody massacre help end the fighting in (insert war zone of your choice here)?

  3. #3 |  Ginger Dan | 

    Hmmm…I just read that sentence four times in a row and now my nose is bleeding…….

  4. #4 |  The Dude | 

    …My Irony Meter just exploded.

  5. #5 |  SJE | 

    From the Onion, right?

  6. #6 |  Michael Chaney | 

    Those wacky, non-lethal tasers:

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/28/michigan.taser.death/index.html

    Police said the teen was resisting arrest after bolting from his cousin’s car during a traffic stop, and the use of the Taser was justified.

    Police followed Mitchell into an abandoned house about two blocks away. Officers tried to apprehend him once he was inside, but he resisted, Warren Police Commissioner William Dwyer told CNN.

    “They ordered him several times not to resist, and he continued to resist,” Dwyer said. “They had no alternative to use what they felt at the time was non-lethal force.”

    The commissioner called Mitchell’s death “a tragedy,” but said police who watch someone run from them “can only assume he committed a crime or is wanted for a crime.” The officers had been trained to use Tasers on people resisting arrest, “so there was nothing wrong with using that Taser,” Dwyer said.

    So, someone who runs from the police is presumed guilty of something, and at that point, they simply have no choice but to use whatever force necessary to subdue that person.

    Got it.

  7. #7 |  SJE | 

    More’s the point “The officers had been trained to use Tasers on people resisting arrest, ‘so there was nothing wrong with using that Taser.’ ” So, if you are trained to do something, it means its OK to do it. I’m going to find someone to train me in slapping around police commissioners, and pay a visit to Comm’r Dwyer.

  8. #8 |  Steve | 

    Can a bloody massacre help end the fighting in…?

    Occasionally. Ever heard of Waterloo?

    Not a proper analogy to bureaucratic hell.

  9. #9 |  Cynical in CA | 

    “They’re only gonna change this place
    by killing everybody in the human race.”

    Invisible Sun, The Police

  10. #10 |  Aresen | 

    @ Steve # 8

    I realize that the analogy isn’t exact. (I can think of a couple of dozen examples of massacres that settled things pretty good – cf Sri Lanka this month.)

    I was thinking more along the lines of the old one liner “Fighting for peace is like fucking for chastity”.

  11. #11 |  Michael Chaney | 

    Except that fighting for peace has historically worked out well at various times in the past, and is often the only way to get peace.

    It’s a sad statement about human nature.

  12. #12 |  Aresen | 

    @ Michael Chaney # 11

    Hmmm.

    If it is self-defense, I agree. Lying down for conquerors is simply not a valid strategy.

    But for the various imperia over history, victory in one war has almost invariably lead to another war with someone else. Until, of course, some other imperium takes you out or the bureaucracy of war leads to collapse of the state.

  13. #13 |  James D | 

    Radster, I have to say I find it amazing …. crazy/socialist stuff like this barely gets your attention (has any President had a worse first 100 days than Obama?) yet you keep doing stories about the ‘the irrelevancy of the right’? Seems to me, the ‘fearmongering’ of the right with regards to all of the socialist things Obama would do if elected have been dead on accurate … if even naive about the extent of some of his ideas and spending. I don’t see how things could possibly be this bad had McCain won.

  14. #14 |  Mattocracy | 

    How long before they tax Ford to help keep GM alive? Oh wait, they are already taxing everyone to keep GM alive even though no body wants to buy their fucking cars.

    Like the Pontiac Aztek. A 6 cylinder version of the Impala that sucked ass compared to 12 cylinder they made that was hugely popular. The Chevy Uplander. The Buick Lacrosse. Pontiac Sunfire. And my personally most hated, the Cadillac Cimarron.

    And GM will be forced to make nothing buy hybrids and compact cars designed by government busy bodies, which once again, no one will want to buy.

  15. #15 |  Mattocracy | 

    Will the government take over the Oakland Raiders next, cause I gotta be honest, they are the GM of the NFL.

  16. #16 |  bobzbob | 

    The government did a pretty good job developing the internet, why do we assume they will be less succesful with cars?

  17. #17 |  Aresen | 

    #15 | Mattocracy | May 28th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    Will the government take over the Oakland Raiders next, cause I gotta be honest, they are the GM of the NFL.

    Would that make the Detroit Lions the Chrysler of the NFL?

  18. #18 |  Stormy Dragon | 

    It was pointed out on another site that if the government owns 70% of GM, that means it also owns 70% of On-star.

    And I’m sure they can be trusted not to abuse the ability to remotely track the movements of all the cars which have it installed.

  19. #19 |  max | 

    How long before they tax Ford to help keep GM alive?

    nonsense. the government would never do something like that.

    I expect that within 2 years there will be a surcharge on Ford cars to protect the taxpayers who have invested so much money into GM will be repaid, but it won’t be a tax to keep GM alive, it will be for the taxpayers.

  20. #20 |  Ben | 

    Invisible Sun, The Police

    Since we’re quoting lyrics, punk rockers have been getting it right for many years:

    Judgement’s not tomorrow
    It’s today, yes now it’s here
    But no it isn’t Jesus
    Take a look at all your peers
    They’re all looking down on you
    Inside they know what’s best for you
    Everybody knows what’s best for you
    Greg Graffin (Bad Religion), Best for You

    The going get tough, the tough get debt
    Don’t pay attention, pay the rent
    Next of kins pay for your sins
    A little faith should keep us safe
    Fat Mike (NoFX) The Decline

  21. #21 |  joshgeek | 

    LOL! I’ve heard of all the people out there, politicians and car salesmen are the most loathed. Now they’re both the same people. There’s some efficiency from the government for u.

  22. #22 |  Elliot | 

    James D (#13): I don’t see how things could possibly be this bad had McCain won.

    I saw this socialist hell coming long before anyone started voting in the primaries. As the election drew near , there was an ever-increasing cacophony of vitriol towards Bush from Democrats and the like–so much so that many individualists not on the phony “left-right” spectrum (here and elsewhere), who should have known better, seemed to find it necessary to bash Republicans in proportion to the noise from the “left” to avoid being dismissed as crypto-Republicans. I tried to tell them to stick to principles, not go with the prevailing wind, but the proximity of the election apparently made me a suspect.

    Anyone who read history, paid attention to current events throughout their lifetimes, and looked at the facts about The Lightworker that the media downplayed or dismissed as right-wing hyperbole, could see that this Chicago gangland boss was going to plunder the productivity of Americans and massacre individual liberties on a scale never dreamed of in the “Common Wisdom” chats. Even I have been taken aback at the pace of the ruination.

    ‘Fine,’ I thought. ‘Once the election is over and people are less paranoid about “crypto-Republicans” or whatnot, they’ll wake up and realize their mistake.’ I’ve seen a few glimmers, but mostly the same blindness and anti-Republican mindlessness.

    Decades from now, our children and grandchildren, if they ever come across all of the articles and comments flying around these days, will curse those of us alive today as cowards who allowed their lives to be plundered before they were born.

    The Endarkenment proceeds apace, as Billy Beck would say.

  23. #23 |  Greg | 

    > How long before they tax Ford to help keep GM alive?

    Well, insofar as Ford is paying corporate taxes now, the government already is taxing it to keep GM alive. And taxing Honda and Toyota and Volkswagen and Hyundai and every other automobile company that’s not on the dole to prop up GM and Chrysler.

  24. #24 |  Greg | 

    > There are cultural challenges, too. Can the government help
    > turn around a company known for its bureaucratic approach
    > to business?

    Well, on the plus side, the fact that GM is already run like an inefficient government bureaucracy means that it won’t be difficult for it to adapt to being owned by the government.

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