Morning Links

Thursday, May 28th, 2009
  • Yes, Tasmanian devils really are that mean.
  • How shutting down the “Erotic Services” section on Craiglist will make prostitutes less safe, and make it more difficult for police to investigate actual crimes committed against sex workers.
  • Texas DA gave his secretaries hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses from asset forfeiture fund.
  • The evolutionary psychology behind behavior in elevators.
  • Conservative legal icon Tedd Olsen joins the fight for legalized gay marriage.
  • Oklahoma state troopers pull over ambulance as it was taking a patient to the hospital. Officer is then caught on tape choking an EMT in the ensuing altercation.
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    1. #1 |  Nando | 

      I’m surprised the guy capturing video of the cops on his cell phone wasn’t arrested for videotaping an officer of the law. That seems to be what happens to everyone else who video tapes a cop now a day.

    2. #2 |  Mike Leatherwood | 

      Mike interferes with deputy; Mike goes to jail. Mike interferes with EMT; Mike goes to jail. Deputy interferes with EMT; EMT could go to jail(?). Funny world.

    3. #3 |  Josh | 

      The odds on how long conservative talk radio runs Olsen out of the conservative movement??

    4. #4 |  Edwin Sheldon | 

      Choke the deputy back!

    5. #5 |  Chris in AL | 

      Ahhh police. Do you ever do anything that is not disgusting?

      I saw one poster in the comments on the article stating that the EMT should have known better. He was in the right, but when dealing with a cop, you have to make sure to make no aggressive moves or statements. Just try to meekly diffuse the situation and hope you can walk away.

      Hey cops…doesn’t it bother you at all that the citizens, for their safety, have to treat any encounter with you the same way they would a dangerous strange dog? Because you have no better judgment or self-control?

    6. #6 |  Chance | 

      A VA trooper did the exact same thing to the ambulance transporting my wife’s dying grandmother. Douche.

    7. #7 |  Whim | 

      Chris in Alabama:

      I’m actually less afraid of the reaction of a strange dog encounter.

      The dog has teeth only. The police have a high-capacity semi-automatic pistol loaded with hollow-point ammunition intended to inflict the maximum grievous wound possible.

      P.S. Police hollow-point ammunition is incidentally BANNED by the Geneva Convention.

      The police also have the legal authority to shoot you dead, with virtually no questions asked. Dead men tell no tales.

      I believe that the hyper-aggressive police actions are instilled through their initial police training. They call it taking control of the situation.

      It also serves a corollary purpose: Further Obediance Training for the proles……..

      However, such behavior does not win them ANY friends.

      But, do the LEO’s really WANT or NEED any friends? Apparently not….the War on Drugs was the genesis of this police militancy and menace as Radley as written so eloquently and repeatedly.

      He’d better hope he never gives the LEO community a pretext to get himself into their tender clutches………..

    8. #8 |  MRK | 

      Is it bad that I can’t stop replaying the part of the clip where EMT effortlessly throws back the trooper, right after the trooper grabs his arm?

    9. #9 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

      “I’m surprised the guy capturing video of the cops on his cell phone wasn’t arrested for videotaping an officer of the law.”
      There are enough phone cameras out there to
      videotape the first arrrest, the next (for videotaping), the next.
      At some point it becomes like a snake swallowing its own tail.
      Just let em videotape. These are public events.

    10. #10 |  Wayne | 

      You can stop a Tasmanian devil from attacking by simply pulling a stick of dynamite out of your pocket, lighting it, and putting it into the animal’s mouth as it tries to bite you. And it doesn’t kill the animal, it only looks dazed. If you don’t have dynamite, try playing your violin.

    11. #11 |  Bob | 

      Oaklahoma State Troopers. Putting the Rage in “Roid Rage”

      Solution! Spike the dough supply for Dunkin’ Donuts with THC.

      Then this roid ragin’ a-hole would be more like… “Dude! Like, your ambulance is stopping me from (select response: “Getting another donut”, “seizing some sweet assets”, “joyriding”) but that’s cool! Peace, bro!”

    12. #12 |  Tsu Dho Nihm | 

      Hey cops…doesn’t it bother you at all that the citizens, for their safety, have to treat any encounter with you the same way they would a dangerous strange dog? Because you have no better judgment or self-control?

      I think it’s a little closer to a bear encounter in the wild.

    13. #13 |  Ben | 

      It’s interesting. In CT the only emergency vehicle legally allowed to break traffic laws (even with lights and sirens on) is an ambulance. Yet cops do it all the time.

      Here’s a little tidbit about a kid in Virginia pulling over a cop. Very NSFW language. Both come across as jackasses, but the cop looks scared he’s on video.

    14. #14 |  Tokin42 | 

      All I could think when I watched that EMT video was “wtf is wrong with people”. (That thought goes through my head a lot actually.) If the officer had enough spare time on his hands to track down and pull over an ambulance for failing to yield to a cop who was long gone, then maybe Oklahoma has at least one too many cops on the road.

    15. #15 |  Whim | 

      Merely more police training for the public in:

      Obediance Training.

      It’s all about:

      Be Afraid. Be VERY Afraid……..

    16. #16 |  Spleen | 

      Wow, and I always thought I didn’t talk to people in the elevator because I just didn’t care what they had to say.

      Turns out all this time I was secretly terrified of the skinny gentleman in the suit beating me about the head and throwing his feces at me. Who knew?

    17. #17 |  Cops gone Wild? | Rambles | 

      [...] This is nuts.  Oklahoma Highway Patrol officer pulls an ambulance over for failing to yield, while the ambulance is transporting a patient to the ER, and assaults one of the medics after the officer tries to ticket the ambulance. I’m stunned that cops would harrass EMTs while the EMTs are trying to do their job.  It just boggles my mind.  I’m glad the patient came through everything OK and I hope that the leadership of the OHP and the EMT service sit down and work this out and proper discipline is applied to the wrongdoers.  What a sad situation. Sourced from The Agitator. [...]

    18. #18 |  Dave Krueger | 

      The fact that the vast majority of the population take it for granted that prostitution should be illegal is depressing beyond measure. It’s like trying to defy gravity and, when that doesn’t work, criminalizing it. And I might point out that gravity kills a lot more people than prostitution does.

      If you’ve ever wondered what it must have been like for people who became certain of the spherical nature of the Earth back when it was heresy to say so, ask someone who believes today that prostitution is not a crime anymore than gravity is. It’s like being surrounded by the Children of the Corn.

      Sometimes I think it’s too bad the Founders didn’t design an Amendment specifically guarantying the right to have sex without government interference. Then I realize it would be pointless. The First Amendment certainly doesn’t prevent them from interfering with what is published on Criagslist.

    19. #19 |  Gonzo | 

      @ Ben – That was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen.

    20. #20 |  Aresen | 

      From the elevator article:

      Similarly, when male chimpanzees in Uganda encounter a male from another group, they slash his throat and rip his testicles off — just in case he survives and has any future ambitions for reproduction.

      So, if I ever encounter a l*w e*********t o*****r in an elevator…

    21. #21 |  Dave Krueger | 

      #12 Tsu Dho Nihm

      Hey cops…doesn’t it bother you at all that the citizens, for their safety, have to treat any encounter with you the same way they would a dangerous strange dog? Because you have no better judgment or self-control?

      I think it’s a little closer to a bear encounter in the wild.

      I agree. We should not compare cops to dogs. It’s not fair to dogs.

    22. #22 |  HTownGuy | 

      About two minutes into that EMT video is infuriating. I can’t believe those cops expect to live.

    23. #23 |  seeker6079 | 

      Holy CHRIST! Did you see this that Michael Chaney posted on another thread??????//

      We seemed to have missed this one in Seattle:
      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009248196_webcopchase21m.html

      Seems a deputy chases a guy who is suspected of a crime (but later found to be uninvolved) and ends up slamming him into a brick wall head first. The guy’s in a coma. Video of the incident here:

      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=70a_1243358882

      A “tragic accident”.

    24. #24 |  seeker6079 | 

      “The bottom line,” insists Sgt. John Urquart of Washington’s King County sheriff’s office, “is we don’t know why he [the innocent man attacked by the officer] ran.”

      It apparently doesn’t occur to Urquart that the fact a deputy can — without fear of criminal penalties or professional consequences — leave an innocent man nearly dead from an unjustified assault may have something to do with Harris’s understandable decision to flee.

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026907.html

    25. #25 |  Steve Verdon | 

      The Craig’s List thing is so amazingly obvious guys like Blumenthal should be shunned by all reasonable people.

      1. Guys like Markoff will always find their victims. Be it via the internet, the newspaper, or street walkers.
      2. Many may think the internet is anonymous, but you actually leave trails that those who know how to can follow rather easily.
      3. By using Craig’s List Markoff was probably caught earlier rather than latter thus saving lives not costing them.

      This kind of “forward thinking” or ability to project into the future is what makes humans better than most animals. Unfortunately while Blumenthal can do it he went for cheap political points to further his own career, and if a few more hookers end up dead because…well who gives a shit they are just hookers. A rather despicable man.

      I agree. We should not compare cops to dogs. It’s not fair to dogs.

      Right, most dogs are either friendly or will leave you alone. Cops on the other hand seem to enjoy the power they’ve been given, which of course is what leads to abuse.

    26. #26 |  Dave Krueger | 

      As far as the cops putting the strangle hold on the ambulance driver is concerned, I don’t have a problem with cops using whatever force is necessary to control someone that they are arresting. The problem I have is that they they have become almost discriminant in who they accuse of breaking the law and apparently assume violent assault is the only legitimate response to anyone who questions what they’re doing.

      It’s getting to the point where you have to be constantly on guard about what you say to them for fear of triggering a violent beat-down. They’re like hypersensitive spoiled little kids who throw a tantrum in reaction to any real or imagined insult that no one else would give a second thought to.

    27. #27 |  pam | 

      I think dogs and kids should be kept out of this.

    28. #28 |  David | 

      The Craig’s List thing is so amazingly obvious guys like Blumenthal should be shunned by all reasonable people.

      I agree with you, Steve. Blumenthal and the like should be shunned. He’s made a career of twisting the law to cover things he wants illegal.

      In the instance of Craigslist, he’s been trying to find ways to get the erotic services section shut down for some time. The “Craiglist Killer” was merely an excuse to get what he already wanted.

    29. #29 |  BamBam | 

      It’s getting to the point where you have to be constantly on guard about what you say to them for fear of triggering a violent beat-down.

      It happens even if you say and/or do nothing. Just existing can lead to a beat down, which is why I say you have the right to defend yourself from ANY threat and should proceed accordingly.

    30. #30 |  SJE | 

      #27 Yeah. You can be on the ground, handcuffed, and surrounded by officers, and they might still put a bullet in your head..just ask the kids in Oakland.

    31. #31 |  Matt I. | 

      “Sometimes I think it’s too bad the Founders didn’t design an Amendment specifically guarantying the right to have sex without government interference. Then I realize it would be pointless. The First Amendment certainly doesn’t prevent them from interfering with what is published on Criagslist.”

      …Nor does the Second Amendment stop them from imposing gun control, nor the Fourth stop them from searching you whenever they want to, Nor the Fifth stop them from extracting ‘confessions’.

      …I’m surprised we don’t have troops stationed in our homes yet.

    32. #32 |  Trish | 

      Sad to see nothing has changed in Okmulgee in the last 20 years. As a teen, I used to take road trips there with (black) friends and I don’t know who was more nervous once we got there – me, a white girl riding with a car load of black people or them, riding around with a white girl. They made me duck down a lot.

    33. #33 |  thorn | 

      Minor point of correction:

      “Police hollow-point ammunition is incidentally BANNED by the Geneva Convention.”

      It’s not, actually… though that statement does get regularly repeated all over internet.

    34. #34 |  Zargon | 

      As I understand it, hollow point ammo is actually safer to use, as it has significantly less penetration, reducing the chances of stray shots hitting innocent people behind walls.

      That said, the pros and cons of ammo choice as it concerns innocent, unintended targets isn’t very helpful when the intended targets seem to be innocents themselves more often than not nowadays.

    35. #35 |  Ben | 

      @ Ben – That was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen.

      Really? You haven’t been around the internet that long, have you?

    36. #36 |  Steve Verdon | 

      I think dogs and kids should be kept out of this.

      Sorry pam, the other thing you’ll note if you read this site long enough is that cops shoot dogs…alot. In fact, I’d say they like it, gives them an easy excuse to use their cool toys.

    37. #37 |  Whim | 

      Because of its mushrooming effect, hollow-point ammunition creates much greater wound effect than full-metal jacketed military ammunition.

      Hollow-point, dumb-dumb, or other exploding small arms ammunition are banned under the international military treaties and conventions.

      Because the police are not technically “military”, they continue to insist on using the ammunition on the American citizenry that causes the most grievous wounds possible.

      War on Drugs, etc. Us-vs-Them mentality.

      Hollow point bullets make a entry wound about the diameter of a normal person’s finger.

      The exit wound is as large as a fist or pie plate. Or larger.

      Hence, our military do not and not allowed to use hollow-point ammuntion as it is in contravention of the Hague Convention.

    38. #38 |  Dave Krueger | 

      I bet when the cops get good and juiced up after work they rave to each other about the day’s beatings and tasings, finally ending the night by whipping out their hollow-tipped people-penetrators and comparing them to see whose is biggest.

    39. #39 |  BamBam | 

      From the Seattle “deputy rams man into concrete wall and puts him in a coma” article:

      Sheriff Sue Rahr has asked Seattle police to review the investigation once it is completed to ensure it was thorough and without bias.

      Gosh, the police shall investigate the police to be “thorough and without bias”. Isn’t investigating your own the DEFINITION of worst case bias?

    40. #40 |  The Johnny Appleseed Of Crack | 

      I also have hollowpoints in my handguns, and I’m not a cop.

      If you shoot at someone, you are intending to incapacitate/kill them as quickly as possible. The more lethal the ammunition, the better. The problem isn’t that cops have hollowpoint bullets in their firearms. The problem is that, in many instances, police aren’t held accountable for shooting and killing people in situations that do not warrant such force.

    41. #41 |  Aresen | 

      As a friend of mine once put it:

      “I didn’t sign the Geneva Convention and I’m pretty sure the guy breaking into my house didn’t either.”

    42. #42 |  Episiarch | 

      Whim, WTF are you talking about? I can buy hollow points just like the cops can. Also, they tend to use Federal Hydra-Shoks or Glaser Safety Slugs instead.

      I detest the police, but your argument is disingenuous at best. The Geneva Convention applies to war, not domestic ammo purchases.

    43. #43 |  Frank | 

      #18 The American Taliban ™ object to both sex and free enterprise.

    44. #44 |  Gonzo | 

      @Ben

      Well, it was no lolcat, but the fact that the video’s maker wasn’t tasted/arrested instantaneously is pretty out of the ordinary, at least from what we’ve come to expect, knowing what we do.

    45. #45 |  chance | 

      “…I’m surprised we don’t have troops stationed in our homes yet.”

      As long as the National Anti-Quartering Association (NAQA) is on the job, the 3rd amendment will remain secure. http://www.theonion.com/content/news/third_amendment_rights_group

    46. #46 |  Travis_T | 

      Craiglist shuts down erotic services.

      I guess there are prosecuters that are more rabid than Bloomers Blumenthal.

      http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/pushed-against-wall-craigslist-sues-south-carolina-attorney-general/

    47. #47 |  Whim | 

      Episiarch or Episiotomy:

      My POINT is that our very own police can shoot US with types of ammunition that our very own military CANNOT USE even against Al Queda or the Taliban.

      But it’s okay to use against us??

      It’s a War on Drugs, i.e. a War on Americans.

      Therefore, I suggest that the please at least follow the Hague Convention regarding small arms ammunition.

      The police still get to use exploding ammunition in crew-served weapons mounted on their tanks and APC’s.

    48. #48 |  Bob | 

      Ok, here we go with the prostitution again.

      You guys are deluded about the dangers of prostitution. It’s not like drugs at all, prostitution is not a “Victimless crime”

      The core mechanic of prostitution is manipulation. Actually… mentally… it’s a LOT like extracting a confession from an innocent person. All they have do is shut up and not cooperate… but for whatever reason, they can’t. And are convinced to confess. And get convicted.

      It’s the same with many prostitutes. Weak upbringing, bad coping skills… all that’s needed is a ‘boyfriend’ to swoop in and provide direction. But he’s not a ‘boyfriend’ at all, he’s a pimp that manipulates her into doing tricks.

      Good luck with laws against that… after all, who’s the victim? If you accept that women WANT to do tricks (As many of you seem to have) then you place an unbelievable requirement of proof on the victim to PROVE she was being coerced.

      I’m sure there ARE prostitutes that enter the profession fully in possession of their reasoning ability, and of their own free will… but all available data indicates that the vast majority do not.

      That said… No, I don’t think prohibition is working. Not working at all.

      The first thing I would do is to make “Happy Ending” massages legal. A hand job is nowhere near as intimate as sex, and can easilly be executed in a mentaly compartmentalized manner by the provider.

    49. #49 |  The Johnny Appleseed Of Crack | 

      Police should be entitled to use any weapon/ammo that anybody of legal age can purchase and use in the jurisdiction that the cop works in. No more, no less.

      Cops shouldn’t be extended special rights, but they also shouldn’t have especially restricted rights (not that that is the case too often).

    50. #50 |  thorn | 

      Therefore, I suggest that the (police) at least follow the Hague Convention regarding small arms ammunition.

      So you’re all for police bullets going through bad guys and hitting grandma over across the street?

      The only time I ever use a round that is NOT a hollowpoint is on the firing range, because the steel plates eliminate over-penetration. On the battlefield, troops don’t particular care if a round goes through one enemy and into another one. In a neighborhood, a shopping area, etc – it’s extremely important that a bullet not go through several people.

      Yes, HP bullets can be more lethal. They’re also safer to non-targets. Your point is simply ignorant.

    51. #51 |  old | 

      Prostitution should go back to the temple where it belongs.

    52. #52 |  Dave Krueger | 

      #48 Bob

      Ok, here we go with the prostitution again.

      You guys are deluded about the dangers of prostitution. It’s not like drugs at all, prostitution is not a “Victimless crime”

      The core mechanic of prostitution is manipulation.

      I don’t buy the exploitation argument against prostitution anymore than I buy it for any other outlawed “vice”. The concept that an activity must be banned because people are too weak willed to look after themselves is one of the corner stones of the nanny state. It’s bad enough when used to outlaw gambling and drugs, but in the case of prostitution, I find it sexist as well. Manipulation and exploitation of women is the primary argument the feminist movement makes against pornography and it doesn’t hold water in that case either.

      If I were a woman, I’m pretty certain I would be insulted by the idea that the state needs to make my decisions for me because I’m too easily manipulated by the opposite sex. I would also consider laws against prostitution an assault on my right to use my body and brain to put food on my table and a roof over my head no different from a physicist, construction worker, or sports star.

      I’m sure there ARE prostitutes that enter the profession fully in possession of their reasoning ability, and of their own free will… but all available data indicates that the vast majority do not.

      How generous. Sorry, but I think you have it backwards. I’m sure there are women who are manipulated by men just as there are men who are manipulated by women. The risk of manipulation is a part of every single human interaction on the planet, but people are still allowed to make their own choices.

      I don’t know where you’re getting your statistics, but it’s not very meaningful to argue about how women are victimized by prostitution in places where it’s outlawed. Ask the women who work the profession where it’s legal and has the protections that the law allows for any business. It’s not the profession that victimizes prostitutes. The real persecution of prostitutes is at the hands of legal establishment in places where it’s banned, not to mention the “vast majority” of a sexually repressed population who condone that persecution.

      If the phrase, “My body, my choice” means anything at all, it means a woman can use her body to earn a living. It doesn’t matter whether it’s coming from a militant feminist or some misogynist moron who thinks a woman’s place is in the kitchen, laws that restrict people’s choices are antithetical to freedom and, last time I checked, women have as much a right to freedom as men.

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