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	<title>Comments on: Dr. Michael West Speaks Out, Says He Has &#8220;Lost Faith in the System&#8221;</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a citizen, I feel nothing but shame when I read about &quot;Dr.&quot; West.  As a scientist, though, I feel a true spark of rage when I read his ridiculous claims regarding his Magic Formula for Dentition Detection(TM?).  He could not publish such outlandish claims in any peer-reviewed journal worth a damn in my field (chemistry), and the very fact that he found an outlet for his views casts serious doubt on the whole field of, shall we say, &quot;experience-based&quot;, forensic science (as opposed to DNA analysis, say, which can be taught easily in a standard class in college).  On top of that, the parts of the NAS report that I read on this type of analysis were extremely damning.  Taken as a whole, the story suggests to me that scientists need to A)  more forcefully police their own, perhaps setting up some structural impediments which could severely discredit people like West, and B) agitate for more emphasis on science within educational programs, especially in college (where most students take very little science).  It seems to me that a jury (or a judge, even better) with any significant training in scientific thought would dismiss West&#039;s claims out of hand, because they are preposterous nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a citizen, I feel nothing but shame when I read about &#8220;Dr.&#8221; West.  As a scientist, though, I feel a true spark of rage when I read his ridiculous claims regarding his Magic Formula for Dentition Detection(TM?).  He could not publish such outlandish claims in any peer-reviewed journal worth a damn in my field (chemistry), and the very fact that he found an outlet for his views casts serious doubt on the whole field of, shall we say, &#8220;experience-based&#8221;, forensic science (as opposed to DNA analysis, say, which can be taught easily in a standard class in college).  On top of that, the parts of the NAS report that I read on this type of analysis were extremely damning.  Taken as a whole, the story suggests to me that scientists need to A)  more forcefully police their own, perhaps setting up some structural impediments which could severely discredit people like West, and B) agitate for more emphasis on science within educational programs, especially in college (where most students take very little science).  It seems to me that a jury (or a judge, even better) with any significant training in scientific thought would dismiss West&#8217;s claims out of hand, because they are preposterous nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Windypundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windypundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most damning part is West&#039;s claim that only he can use his method of analyzing bite marks. Science is, by definition, replicatable. If other scientists can&#039;t do what you do, you haven&#039;t proven anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most damning part is West&#8217;s claim that only he can use his method of analyzing bite marks. Science is, by definition, replicatable. If other scientists can&#8217;t do what you do, you haven&#8217;t proven anything.</p>
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		<title>By: MDGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MDGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t help that this kind of &quot;evidence&quot; is given credibility in the public mind by TV shows like Law &amp; Order. I just watched an episode a few days ago in which, even though the killer had cut away the skin of the victim to avoid identification, the forensic analyst gave a proof-positive match on a bite mark she found in the sub-cutaneous skin layer using x-rays or something. I don&#039;t watch CSI but I imagine it gives the public the same warped perception of the reality of forensic science and evidence-gathering in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t help that this kind of &#8220;evidence&#8221; is given credibility in the public mind by TV shows like Law &amp; Order. I just watched an episode a few days ago in which, even though the killer had cut away the skin of the victim to avoid identification, the forensic analyst gave a proof-positive match on a bite mark she found in the sub-cutaneous skin layer using x-rays or something. I don&#8217;t watch CSI but I imagine it gives the public the same warped perception of the reality of forensic science and evidence-gathering in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 12:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth is not a factor in prosecution.  Conviction is all that matters and West facilitated that.  That they got the wrong guy isn&#039;t important to a prosecutor, although they certainly want to avoid being found out, which is why they will forever deny that they did anything wrong.  What&#039;s important to a prosecutor (and to the state in general) is the appearance that they are closing cases and putting the bad guys behind bars and that&#039;s what the machine is designed to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is not a factor in prosecution.  Conviction is all that matters and West facilitated that.  That they got the wrong guy isn&#8217;t important to a prosecutor, although they certainly want to avoid being found out, which is why they will forever deny that they did anything wrong.  What&#8217;s important to a prosecutor (and to the state in general) is the appearance that they are closing cases and putting the bad guys behind bars and that&#8217;s what the machine is designed to do.</p>
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		<title>By: ktc2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktc2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 12:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to be the &quot;ought to be a law&quot; guy but maybe a mandatory minimum sentence for deliberate court forensic fraud of the combined total sentences of all the innocent people you fraudulently put in jail, would be a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to be the &#8220;ought to be a law&#8221; guy but maybe a mandatory minimum sentence for deliberate court forensic fraud of the combined total sentences of all the innocent people you fraudulently put in jail, would be a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 11:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. West... bite me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. West&#8230; bite me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tokin42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tokin42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;    “I don’t want to do any more death information. I don’t want public office,” West said. “I’ve lost faith in the system.”

Tragic.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Too bad Allgood doesn&#039;t come to the same conclusion.  Maybe he can get &quot;torted&quot; by some of the innocent people he knowingly kept behind bars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>    “I don’t want to do any more death information. I don’t want public office,” West said. “I’ve lost faith in the system.”</p>
<p>Tragic.</p></blockquote>
<p>Too bad Allgood doesn&#8217;t come to the same conclusion.  Maybe he can get &#8220;torted&#8221; by some of the innocent people he knowingly kept behind bars.</p>
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		<title>By: Judas Peckerwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judas Peckerwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 06:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fucker should be made to serve the sentences of everyone he wrongly helped put behind bars. Fucker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fucker should be made to serve the sentences of everyone he wrongly helped put behind bars. Fucker.</p>
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		<title>By: Judi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 05:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Packratt said...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Packratt said&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Packratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Packratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 04:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HE has lost faith in the system?!?

HIM?!?

He IS the system! 

He represents everything WRONG with the system!

Seriously, he&#039;s gotta lay off that crack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HE has lost faith in the system?!?</p>
<p>HIM?!?</p>
<p>He IS the system! </p>
<p>He represents everything WRONG with the system!</p>
<p>Seriously, he&#8217;s gotta lay off that crack.</p>
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