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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-276029</link>
		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank: &quot;I want to know where the ACLU is on the Georgia Gadsden Flag false detention? Or are “right wing extremists” no longer covered&quot;

As an ACLU board member in Illinois, I&#039;m pretty sure ACLU does not support this action, and is very suspicious of the recent DHS info about the rise in &quot;right wing extremism.&quot;  Considering the fact that ACLU has, among other things, defended the right of Neo-Nazis to march in Skokie (a Chicago suburb with a large Jewish population), I can&#039;t see ACLU (national, state or local chapters) going along with too much of this hype.  

Radley:  Thanks for the half-hearted nod to ACLU.  I don&#039;t always agree with the organization&#039;s priorities either (I&#039;m a liberal with strong &quot;classical liberal&quot; leanings, unlike many fellow ACLU members who are &quot;Progressives&quot; across the board), but I still believe the work it does is very important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank: &#8220;I want to know where the ACLU is on the Georgia Gadsden Flag false detention? Or are “right wing extremists” no longer covered&#8221;</p>
<p>As an ACLU board member in Illinois, I&#8217;m pretty sure ACLU does not support this action, and is very suspicious of the recent DHS info about the rise in &#8220;right wing extremism.&#8221;  Considering the fact that ACLU has, among other things, defended the right of Neo-Nazis to march in Skokie (a Chicago suburb with a large Jewish population), I can&#8217;t see ACLU (national, state or local chapters) going along with too much of this hype.  </p>
<p>Radley:  Thanks for the half-hearted nod to ACLU.  I don&#8217;t always agree with the organization&#8217;s priorities either (I&#8217;m a liberal with strong &#8220;classical liberal&#8221; leanings, unlike many fellow ACLU members who are &#8220;Progressives&#8221; across the board), but I still believe the work it does is very important.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 &#124;  ClubMedSux &amp; #14 &#124;  Mattocracy ... my John Water&#039;s fan club membership has been terminated because of the typo. 

John Walters, Walters, Walters!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 |  ClubMedSux &amp; #14 |  Mattocracy &#8230; my John Water&#8217;s fan club membership has been terminated because of the typo. </p>
<p>John Walters, Walters, Walters!</p>
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		<title>By: Woog</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-276016</link>
		<dc:creator>Woog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>voir dire, or at the very least the modern usage of it, has got to be one of the most disgusting abuses by government by far.

A quick fix would seem to allow the defendant to dismiss a number of jurors from the pool, but the government has no say in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>voir dire, or at the very least the modern usage of it, has got to be one of the most disgusting abuses by government by far.</p>
<p>A quick fix would seem to allow the defendant to dismiss a number of jurors from the pool, but the government has no say in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Federalist Paupers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Inappropriate &#8212; Follow Up</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-276001</link>
		<dc:creator>Federalist Paupers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Inappropriate &#8212; Follow Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] several hundred miles from home because of the Patriot act.  There&#8217;s been some follow up (H/T) and it looks as though things are  more complicated: [A] new report by Wired News suggests that, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] several hundred miles from home because of the Patriot act.  There&#8217;s been some follow up (H/T) and it looks as though things are  more complicated: [A] new report by Wired News suggests that, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynical, I think we all know there&#039;s little we can do now.  Quite frankly, I think that getting the word out (as Hampton Roads, Radley, and others did) had a positive impact on Ryan&#039;s case.  Probably the best that could be reasonably hoped for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynical, I think we all know there&#8217;s little we can do now.  Quite frankly, I think that getting the word out (as Hampton Roads, Radley, and others did) had a positive impact on Ryan&#8217;s case.  Probably the best that could be reasonably hoped for.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Flack</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-275998</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Flack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan Frederick was convicted because the prosecution was partially successful in its attempt to stack the jury. That they didn&#039;t get  a conviction for capital murder is proof that they were only partially successful.

The damage was done by the prosecutions question in the voir dir &quot;Do yo believe that you need to identify your target and belive that your life was threatened.&quot; or something to that effect. They selected jurors who already believed that you had to have someone actually have already broken in before you would be justified in believing that your life was in danger. I think they took the position that you had to be completely certain that your life was threatened rather than believe that it is probably treatened. I seen to recall plenty of cops being held to much lower standards than this. But that position is begging the question. You only need to have identified them as probably being a threat to your life. The battering ram poking through the door was surely such proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan Frederick was convicted because the prosecution was partially successful in its attempt to stack the jury. That they didn&#8217;t get  a conviction for capital murder is proof that they were only partially successful.</p>
<p>The damage was done by the prosecutions question in the voir dir &#8220;Do yo believe that you need to identify your target and belive that your life was threatened.&#8221; or something to that effect. They selected jurors who already believed that you had to have someone actually have already broken in before you would be justified in believing that your life was in danger. I think they took the position that you had to be completely certain that your life was threatened rather than believe that it is probably treatened. I seen to recall plenty of cops being held to much lower standards than this. But that position is begging the question. You only need to have identified them as probably being a threat to your life. The battering ram poking through the door was surely such proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve known since the cops busted down his door with guns that Ryan was fucked.

Good luck on appeal.  Hopefully, the blue brotherhood of the badge won&#039;t murder him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve known since the cops busted down his door with guns that Ryan was fucked.</p>
<p>Good luck on appeal.  Hopefully, the blue brotherhood of the badge won&#8217;t murder him.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Louisiana not Georgia.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-275908</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynical -- Unfortunately, we&#039;ve known that Ryan was headed for this fate since the date of his conviction. The sentencing was little more than a formality. So the discussion really happened back when he got convicted.

Not to say we shouldn&#039;t still talk about it, because we should, just like we should keep Cory Maye&#039;s story alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynical &#8212; Unfortunately, we&#8217;ve known that Ryan was headed for this fate since the date of his conviction. The sentencing was little more than a formality. So the discussion really happened back when he got convicted.</p>
<p>Not to say we shouldn&#8217;t still talk about it, because we should, just like we should keep Cory Maye&#8217;s story alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know where the ACLU is on the Georgia Gadsden Flag false detention?  Or are &quot;right wing extremists&quot; no longer covered?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to know where the ACLU is on the Georgia Gadsden Flag false detention?  Or are &#8220;right wing extremists&#8221; no longer covered?</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-275901</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
#8 &#124;  MDGuy &#124;  May 11th, 2009 at 10:40 am 
How does that dog-washer work without getting soap in the dog’s eyes? Poor thing looks like he wants out.

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When I worked in an animal hospital, I used to bath dogs on a daily basis. The dogs did not like it, but it was only way to remove filth from their sores and get rid of fleas.

We used to put drops of mineral oil in their eyes to protect them from soap.

--

And if you think dogs don&#039;t like it, try bathing cats. :)</description>
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#8 |  MDGuy |  May 11th, 2009 at 10:40 am<br />
How does that dog-washer work without getting soap in the dog’s eyes? Poor thing looks like he wants out.</p>
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<p>When I worked in an animal hospital, I used to bath dogs on a daily basis. The dogs did not like it, but it was only way to remove filth from their sores and get rid of fleas.</p>
<p>We used to put drops of mineral oil in their eyes to protect them from soap.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>And if you think dogs don&#8217;t like it, try bathing cats. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drug czars are only lying when their lips are moving.  They are like the habitual liar who is transparent to everyone around him except himself.

Drug war propaganda has become completely political and longer has any credibility as being objective (assuming it ever did).   It&#039;s destructive because kids see through it very early and they will then summarily dismiss cautionary advice about drugs from other more sincere authoritative sources, such as their parents.

Just more evidence that when government says &quot;it&#039;s for the children&quot;, it almost certainly has nothing beneficial to do with children.

The drug war is mostly just a machine that grinds up citizens fed in at one end and spews money out at the beneficiaries at the other end.  Ever seen the movie &quot;Soylent Green&quot;?  Same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drug czars are only lying when their lips are moving.  They are like the habitual liar who is transparent to everyone around him except himself.</p>
<p>Drug war propaganda has become completely political and longer has any credibility as being objective (assuming it ever did).   It&#8217;s destructive because kids see through it very early and they will then summarily dismiss cautionary advice about drugs from other more sincere authoritative sources, such as their parents.</p>
<p>Just more evidence that when government says &#8220;it&#8217;s for the children&#8221;, it almost certainly has nothing beneficial to do with children.</p>
<p>The drug war is mostly just a machine that grinds up citizens fed in at one end and spews money out at the beneficiaries at the other end.  Ever seen the movie &#8220;Soylent Green&#8221;?  Same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies to Nathan and Marty, missed your comments on the first go-round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies to Nathan and Marty, missed your comments on the first go-round.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan Frederick was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Just 18 meager comments for this blog post.  This comment is the only one so far regarding Ryan Frederick.

My, how the interest in this American tragedy has waned.  Not too long ago, a Frederick update would garner 100 comments.  It seems the Agitator readership is part-and-parcel of the American &quot;short attention span&quot; society at large.

My thoughts are with you Mr. Frederick.  You are a martyr of American injustice.  May some good come from your suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan Frederick was sentenced to 10 years in prison.</p>
<p>Just 18 meager comments for this blog post.  This comment is the only one so far regarding Ryan Frederick.</p>
<p>My, how the interest in this American tragedy has waned.  Not too long ago, a Frederick update would garner 100 comments.  It seems the Agitator readership is part-and-parcel of the American &#8220;short attention span&#8221; society at large.</p>
<p>My thoughts are with you Mr. Frederick.  You are a martyr of American injustice.  May some good come from your suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-275846</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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#16 &#124;  Mike T &#124;  May 11th, 2009 at 11:59 am 
Nando,

Wired has a better story. They’ve got this teen dead to rights, it would seem. There is a whole money trail going back to him (he was stupid enough to set up a paypal account to receive money for doing this) and his own mother has admitted that she knew about his prank calls, even some bomb-related ones and that he took money for some of it.

In short, he’s &lt;strike&gt;screwed&lt;/strike&gt; dumber than dogshit.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fixed.</description>
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#16 |  Mike T |  May 11th, 2009 at 11:59 am<br />
Nando,</p>
<p>Wired has a better story. They’ve got this teen dead to rights, it would seem. There is a whole money trail going back to him (he was stupid enough to set up a paypal account to receive money for doing this) and his own mother has admitted that she knew about his prank calls, even some bomb-related ones and that he took money for some of it.</p>
<p>In short, he’s <strike>screwed</strike> dumber than dogshit.</p>
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<p>Fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nando,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/teenage-bomb-threat-suspect-was-an-internet-prank-phone-call-star/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wired has a better story&lt;/a&gt;. They&#039;ve got this teen dead to rights, it would seem. There is a whole money trail going back to him (he was stupid enough to set up a paypal account to receive money for doing this) and his own mother has admitted that she knew about his prank calls, even some bomb-related ones and that he took money for some of it.

In short, he&#039;s screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nando,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/teenage-bomb-threat-suspect-was-an-internet-prank-phone-call-star/" rel="nofollow">Wired has a better story</a>. They&#8217;ve got this teen dead to rights, it would seem. There is a whole money trail going back to him (he was stupid enough to set up a paypal account to receive money for doing this) and his own mother has admitted that she knew about his prank calls, even some bomb-related ones and that he took money for some of it.</p>
<p>In short, he&#8217;s screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-275796</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If an actual legalization debate ever gets underway, you can basically count on the Drug Warriors to trot out the same arguments used by Walters again and again and again, no matter how many times they are debunked and refuted.

There will be legions of police chiefs appearing to say legalization is bad because it will &quot;promote crime.&quot;

The prison contractors and liquor companies will quietly make big donations to religiously based prohibition groups.

Just keep telling the truth. It is the only way to beat them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If an actual legalization debate ever gets underway, you can basically count on the Drug Warriors to trot out the same arguments used by Walters again and again and again, no matter how many times they are debunked and refuted.</p>
<p>There will be legions of police chiefs appearing to say legalization is bad because it will &#8220;promote crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>The prison contractors and liquor companies will quietly make big donations to religiously based prohibition groups.</p>
<p>Just keep telling the truth. It is the only way to beat them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-275792</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty,

Do you hates John Waters because you didn&#039;t like Hairspray or Pecker?  I mean, those are classic movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty,</p>
<p>Do you hates John Waters because you didn&#8217;t like Hairspray or Pecker?  I mean, those are classic movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/05/11/morning-links-185/comment-page-1/#comment-275791</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Leave it to FixedNews to defend the arrest of a teenager.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If the teen is part of 4chan as has been claimed, then it practically goes without saying that he is guilty as charged.</description>
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Leave it to FixedNews to defend the arrest of a teenager.
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<p>If the teen is part of 4chan as has been claimed, then it practically goes without saying that he is guilty as charged.</p>
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		<title>By: Nando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave it to FixedNews to defend the arrest of a teenager.</description>
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