Comments on: Univ. of Maryland Speech Last Night http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:21:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: JS http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-269568 JS Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:41:05 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-269568 I agree Whim, judges and cops are both a part of the legal establishment and the state usually sides with their own. That's why judges just rubber stamp any warrant the cops bring to them now, basically rendering null and void the whole 4th amendment thing about unreasonable search and seizure. I agree Whim, judges and cops are both a part of the legal establishment and the state usually sides with their own. That’s why judges just rubber stamp any warrant the cops bring to them now, basically rendering null and void the whole 4th amendment thing about unreasonable search and seizure.

]]> By: Whim http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-269563 Whim Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:13:34 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-269563 JS: It comes down to a JUDGE forcing the police to behave. For some reason, judges usually side with the police and prosecutors. Why? Many if not most judges come from the Prosecutorial ranks. JS:

It comes down to a JUDGE forcing the police to behave.

For some reason, judges usually side with the police and prosecutors.

Why? Many if not most judges come from the Prosecutorial ranks.

]]> By: JS http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-269067 JS Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:26:04 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-269067 David -"What right do they have to refuse any request for information that’s part of the public record?" None but who's going to make them turn them over? Do you see what we have here? There is no authority higher than the local police if no one is willing to force them to comply with the law, and of course no one is. David -”What right do they have to refuse any request for information that’s part of the public record?”

None but who’s going to make them turn them over? Do you see what we have here? There is no authority higher than the local police if no one is willing to force them to comply with the law, and of course no one is.

]]> By: SB7 http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-269049 SB7 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:07:32 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-269049 Re: the turnout -- A couple of friends and I had planned to go (including one guy who lives about a block down from Calvo) but we're all up to our eyes in end-of-the-semester due dates. Sorry we missed it. Re: the turnout — A couple of friends and I had planned to go (including one guy who lives about a block down from Calvo) but we’re all up to our eyes in end-of-the-semester due dates. Sorry we missed it.

]]> By: Kristen http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-269029 Kristen Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:38:10 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-269029 Thanks for stopping by, Mrs. C. Thanks for stopping by, Mrs. C.

]]> By: Ben http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-269010 Ben Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:39:20 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-269010 <blockquote>Calvo also said that there’s a provision in the SWAT team transparency bill he was able to push through the Maryland legislature this year that specifically requires police departments to report when they killed a household pet during a raid.</blockquote> Maybe I missed something, but isn't there some sort of requirement that any time an officer discharges his weapon in the line of duty there needs to be a report of some sort? Am I just naive?

Calvo also said that there’s a provision in the SWAT team transparency bill he was able to push through the Maryland legislature this year that specifically requires police departments to report when they killed a household pet during a raid.

Maybe I missed something, but isn’t there some sort of requirement that any time an officer discharges his weapon in the line of duty there needs to be a report of some sort? Am I just naive?

]]> By: omar http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268980 omar Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:16:03 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268980 Like the unions opposing secret ballots... What possible justification can a person give to keep "the number of pets killed" a secret? What is the reason? I can't think of one! Like the unions opposing secret ballots…

What possible justification can a person give to keep “the number of pets killed” a secret? What is the reason?

I can’t think of one!

]]> By: Highway http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268957 Highway Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:36:29 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268957 I love the second comment in the Diamondback story. I want to believe it is a fake comment by someone who is trying to make cop supporters look like giant tools. Or it's a real comment that makes cop supporters look like giant tools. I love the second comment in the Diamondback story. I want to believe it is a fake comment by someone who is trying to make cop supporters look like giant tools.

Or it’s a real comment that makes cop supporters look like giant tools.

]]> By: Legate Damar http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268926 Legate Damar Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:23:22 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268926 Radley, Don't feel too bad about turnout. Yesterday was still a nice day out. Have it today instead, and attendance might've doubled. I had planned to go and take the missus, but I've been working 13-hour days of late and didn't have the time. Radley,

Don’t feel too bad about turnout. Yesterday was still a nice day out. Have it today instead, and attendance might’ve doubled. I had planned to go and take the missus, but I’ve been working 13-hour days of late and didn’t have the time.

]]> By: Mrs. C http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268925 Mrs. C Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:22:06 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268925 Referencing one of the new things Radley learned from Mayor Cheye Calvo’s presentation ie...that we’re now nine months removed from the raid on his home, and he still hasn’t been given a copy of the police report. It was almost a full year...before we were able to read...(although we made numerous requests all along...for reports and information from them...we never received any) along with the public at large...the police chief's report...to the Fairfax County community...on what they said happened...that resulted in the unjust shooting...and killing...of my son. The report defied reason...and left many questions unanswered. In order to obtain the same information...that was apparently the basis...used to draw the conclusions of that report...and recognizing...that they had no intention...of being forthcoming with it...we were left with no recourse but to file suit...which in turn... would give us access...but it was still with difficulty. Mr. Calvo may have to take the same route...in order to get the information he is seeking. I wish him well. www.justiceforsal.com Referencing one of the new things Radley learned from Mayor Cheye Calvo’s presentation ie…that we’re now nine months removed from the raid on his home, and he still hasn’t been given a copy of the police report.

It was almost a full year…before we were able to read…(although we made numerous requests all along…for reports and information from them…we never received any) along with the public at large…the police chief’s report…to the Fairfax County community…on what they said happened…that resulted in the unjust shooting…and killing…of my son.

The report defied reason…and left many questions unanswered.

In order to obtain the same information…that was apparently the basis…used to draw the conclusions of that report…and recognizing…that they had no intention…of being forthcoming with it…we were left with no recourse but to file suit…which in turn… would give us access…but it was still with difficulty.

Mr. Calvo may have to take the same route…in order to get the information he is seeking.

I wish him well.

http://www.justiceforsal.com

]]> By: Mike T http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268922 Mike T Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:12:55 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268922 <blockquote> He said that in addition to opposing the transparency bill in general, Maryland’s police organizations waged a second campaign aimed specifically at getting the pet provision removed from the bill. I found that interesting. </blockquote> Yet another reason why it should be illegal for government employees and organizations to form unions and lobby legislatures. Police and teachers unions in particular are scum-sucking bottom feeders that should be disbanded by law.

He said that in addition to opposing the transparency bill in general, Maryland’s police organizations waged a second campaign aimed specifically at getting the pet provision removed from the bill. I found that interesting.

Yet another reason why it should be illegal for government employees and organizations to form unions and lobby legislatures. Police and teachers unions in particular are scum-sucking bottom feeders that should be disbanded by law.

]]> By: Marty http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268917 Marty Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:42:24 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268917 I wonder if there would've been greater turnout if the event would've been sponsored by more mainstream organizations... I think a lot of people automatically just aren't receptive to dialogue coming from any sources considered 'radical'. I wonder if there would’ve been greater turnout if the event would’ve been sponsored by more mainstream organizations… I think a lot of people automatically just aren’t receptive to dialogue coming from any sources considered ‘radical’.

]]> By: Radley Balko http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268907 Radley Balko Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:10:21 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268907 #5: It got quite a bit of coverage. It was the lead story on the BBC the day after it happened. Calvo was also on CNN a few times talking about the raid. #5: It got quite a bit of coverage. It was the lead story on the BBC the day after it happened. Calvo was also on CNN a few times talking about the raid.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268901 Andrew Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:38:34 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268901 #5: Wikipedia lists sources with the Baltimore Sun, USA Today, and a fair amount of Washington Post articles. One USA Today article isn't really widespread national coverage, but the Post is well-read outside of the DC area. #5: Wikipedia lists sources with the Baltimore Sun, USA Today, and a fair amount of Washington Post articles. One USA Today article isn’t really widespread national coverage, but the Post is well-read outside of the DC area.

]]> By: JS http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268898 JS Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:28:42 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268898 Did the Calvo story ever get ANY national coverage at all? If not, that speaks volumes about the ineptitude and corruption of the media. That story, more than almost any other I can think of, proves we live in a police state. Did the Calvo story ever get ANY national coverage at all? If not, that speaks volumes about the ineptitude and corruption of the media. That story, more than almost any other I can think of, proves we live in a police state.

]]> By: Dave Krueger http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268897 Dave Krueger Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:27:19 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268897 I'd like to see a fuckin' police chief write on the blackboard a thousand times, "What can we do to help?", a concept apparently foreign to them. Someone needs to help those morons understand that it's not them against us and that their mission is to "serve and protect" not cover up and resist. I’d like to see a fuckin’ police chief write on the blackboard a thousand times, “What can we do to help?”, a concept apparently foreign to them. Someone needs to help those morons understand that it’s not them against us and that their mission is to “serve and protect” not cover up and resist.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268896 Andrew Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:25:21 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268896 I think the bill is an excellent start. There's a lot more that needs to be done to fix the problem of military raids on houses, but this is a good start. I don't know if it'll have the effect of curbing police actions to prevent public outcry, or if the disclosures will lead to public outcry that forces more change upon law enforcement. Again, I am glad that Mr. Calvo has been brave enough to take on this issue, and hopefully other states will also adopt measures of their own. I think the bill is an excellent start. There’s a lot more that needs to be done to fix the problem of military raids on houses, but this is a good start. I don’t know if it’ll have the effect of curbing police actions to prevent public outcry, or if the disclosures will lead to public outcry that forces more change upon law enforcement. Again, I am glad that Mr. Calvo has been brave enough to take on this issue, and hopefully other states will also adopt measures of their own.

]]> By: David http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268895 David Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:23:55 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268895 <i>Despite the state’s relatively strong open-records laws, they’ve refused to turn the information over to her. I’ll have more on her efforts a bit later.</I> What right do they have to refuse any request for information that's part of the public record? Despite the state’s relatively strong open-records laws, they’ve refused to turn the information over to her. I’ll have more on her efforts a bit later.

What right do they have to refuse any request for information that’s part of the public record?

]]> By: Yizmo Gizmo http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/29/univ-of-maryland-speech-last-night/comment-page-1/#comment-268885 Yizmo Gizmo Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:52:47 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=12948#comment-268885 It's really a War on Dogs. When are the people gonna realize? It’s really a War on Dogs.
When are the people gonna realize?

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