Comments on: Milwaukee Police Chief Says to Hell With the Rule of Law

By: Bergman

Bergman — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:06:17 +0000

Simple Solution:

Wisconsin police are not immune to citizen’s arrest. It’s reasonable to assume that anyone who swears an oath will keep it. After all, our entire court system runs on this reasonable belief. A guy in police uniform violating that oath is obviously an impersonator, not a real cop.

Impersonating a police officer is a misdemeanor, which increases to a felony if the impersonation is to aid or abet the commission of a crime. Assault and battery are crimes, and dressing as a police officer causes law-abiding citizens to not resist those crimes, thus aiding and abetting the commission of those crimes.

A public official using his official authority under color of law to violate a constitutional right, such as the right to keep and bear arms, violates Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 242 of the U.S. code. In other words, he commits a crime.

If a person in a police uniform violates the police oath and commits a federal crime, it is reasonable to assume that they are a police impersonator. So tackle them, take their gun away, and hold them at gunpoint until you can verify whether they can lawfully wear the uniform or not.

Hey, if it were illegal to do that, real cops wouldn’t do that, right?

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By: Fred

Fred — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:57:02 +0000

correction:

“you just can’t lump all cops as jackbooted thugs on a power trip.”

No, the good cops are the ones that issued a public statement that they will disregard this illegal order.

The good cops are the ones that didn’t issue a public statement condemning “Chief” Flynn’s call for crime.

The good cops are the ones that arrested “Chief” Flynn for conspiracy to commit aggravated assault, battery, grand theft, etc.

It’s only the others that are jackbooted thugs on a power trip. And/or cowards.

By: Fred

Fred — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:02:44 +0000

“you just can’t lump all cops as jackbooted thugs on a power trip.”

No – just the ones that didn’t issue a public statement that they will disregard this illegal order.

Just the ones that didn’t issue a public statement condemning “Chief” Flynn’s call for crime.

Just the ones that arrested “Chief” Flynn for conspiracy to commit aggravated assault, battery, grand theft, etc.

All those cops, those are the good cops.

By: Fred

Fred — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:57:48 +0000

“parading around in front of the police station with a clearly visible revolvers on both hips. … This is what is it going to take ”

No, you can go to court today, and ask for a “declaratory judgment” that you have the right to parade around, etc.

You don’t need to wait for the collision to occur as long as it’s impending.

By: Woog

Woog — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:38:53 +0000

re: #9

Matters of the impossibility of black-robed tyrants deciding away inherent liberties, look up “John Bad Elk vs US”, a case where a person successfully defended himself from an unlawful arrest, killing the cop, and the self-defense killing was ultimately was found to be justified.

By: OneByTheCee

OneByTheCee — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:06:16 +0000

#46 | Libertarian | April 25th, 2009 at 11:00 am
So which one of you law abiding honorable Milwaukee citizens is willing to challenge this guy in court? If I lived there I would be parading around in front of the police station with a clearly visible revolvers on both hips. With my Attorneys number on speed dial and a hidden camera and microphone. This is what is it going to take to put people like this in their place.

Actuallly you would need a couple of other people filming away from you so the TROOPS couldn’t destroy any recorded evidence because we all know how evidence unfavorable to the Police seems to go “missing” when said evidence portrays the Police in a less than favorable light. Maybe OpenCarry.org could organize and fund such a “sting operation”???

By: OneByTheCee

OneByTheCee — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:57:05 +0000

#32 | Sesquiculus | April 23rd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
said:
“This is not just theoretical. Once, a Texas deputy penitentiary warden and a prison guard took a prisoner outside and started to beat him up. He killed one of them. The jury ruled that it was self-defense, not murder.”

If this is, in fact, true, then all that’s left to be said is Hallelujah!

By: Libertarian

Libertarian — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:00:48 +0000

So which one of you law abiding honorable Milwaukee citizens is willing to challenge this guy in court? If I lived there I would be parading around in front of the police station with a clearly visible revolvers on both hips. With my Attorneys number on speed dial and a hidden camera and microphone. This is what is it going to take to put people like this in their place.

By: Mini Marine

Mini Marine — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:18:23 +0000

Well, since one of the very few good things Bush did was sign into law national concealed carry rights for law enforcement officers, I have a few cop friends that are thinking about taking some vacation time in Milwaukee to see if these guys are actually gonna follow through on this bullshit.

There are many good cops out an about who are doing everything they can to serve the community. I’m working on my criminal justice degree and plan on becoming a police officer myself. So while I agree that the statement this chief made is absolutely abhorrent, you just can’t lump all cops as jackbooted thugs on a power trip.

By: garry walsh

garry walsh — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:04:31 +0000

The purpose of police in america is to protect rich peoples property. That includes intimidation and violence against the populace. For what to do about this look to the French or Greeks. They have a spine and stand up to the facists. Americans put their hands on their hearts and sing God Bless America and then go shopping. You have earned your enslavement.

By: stromm sarnac

stromm sarnac — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 03:48:13 +0000

People, you’re reading way too much into the “troopers” phrase.

MANY State police are called Troopers and their commanders call groups of them troops. It has nothing to do with “being military like”.

Geesh. I guess some people will look for any reason to lambaste someone who is doing a job they themselves don’t have any clue about.

By: Jim March

Jim March — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:21:06 +0000

Quoting:

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Please correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the SCOTUS decide innocent US citizens DO NOT have the right to resist an unlawful arrest?
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That’s true – but this is NOT about unlawful arrest. What this Chief is telling his “troops” to commit is unlawful ASSAULT.

If I pull a gun on you, that’s assault. The rules are no different for cops. It IS still legal to resist an assault with deadly force with deadly force of your own.

It probably wouldn’t be a good idea unless you have both audio and video proof you committed no crime giving them reason to draw…but cameras are getting pretty damn small these days.

By: rick

rick — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:10:09 +0000

This is why citizens need to have the right to violently resist unlawful arrest (like they have had for most of American history). That would take care of his troops and his attitude real quick

By: Roho

Roho — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:08:46 +0000

Sounds like the Chief is okay with protests. A little later in the same speech:
“Maybe I’ll end up with a protest of cowboys.”
All taken together, it’s nice to see a police chief who really *respects* the citizens of his city.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/43347632.html

By: GreginOz

GreginOz — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:28:40 +0000

Am reminded of watching a re-run of Orange County Chopper the other day, when they were building a bike for the NYPD (To Detest & Serb). The level of grovelling, sickening worship, the malodorius, fawnig ‘patriotism’, the cloying and simpering admiration of the Teuttals (sic?) was ass-tounding!