More Fun With Left-Wing Radio

Thursday, April 16th, 2009

This morning, I listened to about 10 minutes of the Stephanie Miller Show on Air America as I ran out to get a coffee.

During the mind-numbingly inane banter (Miller’s show makes Fox & Friends sound like the Oxford Union Debating Society), Miller and her sidekicks started talking about a sign at one of the tea party protests that apparently said, “Don’t Tax Me, Bro.”

Okay. Not very funny. But Miller’s take?

“Isn’t ‘Bro’ pretty clearly a slang reference to African-Americans?”

Miller’s sidekick: “Yeah, it’s pretty thinly-veiled racism.”

Or, dumbasses, it could be a play on the “Don’t Taze Me, Bro” kid from last year’s presidential campaign and the catchphrase he spawned. He was white, by the way.

This exchange, incidentally, came less than five minutes after an astonishingly racist bit in which one of Miller’s sidekicks read a love letter to Condolleeza Rice in the voice of Kim Jong Il. The bit managed to cram just about every Asian stereotype you can think of–along with a few black ones–into two minutes of unfunny radio. But you had to listen carefully to pick them up because of the guy’s exaggerated mispronunciation of Ls and Rs.

It was honestly worse than anything I’ve ever heard on Imus. But I guess so long as you hold enlightened, progressive views on tax policy, and the targets of your humor happen to be black Republicans, you get to do all the racist comedy bits you want.

What’s amazing is the complete lack of awareness from Miller and her dopey sidekicks as the show transitioned from the overtly racist love letter bit to them wrongly and moronically ascribing a racist message to a completely innocuous tea party sign.

(Obligatory disclaimer: I hate right-wing talk radio, too.)

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59 Responses to “More Fun With Left-Wing Radio”

  1. #1 |  MacGregory | 

    HEY, I went to that tea party gathering! Total bushit. Bunch of citizens getting together, protesting. Who the HELL do they think they are? How dare them question our government. Clearly, they are “fringe.” What a bunch of fuckin’ loons. Don’t they get it? The govenment can spend your money much more eficiently than you can. Hells-bells, you might waste it on food or something.

  2. #2 |  Mike | 

    I wasn’t happy with the tea parties until the left starting tearing into them with all the smarmy angry superiority they could muster. If so many assholes think the tea parties are bad, there *must* be something good about them!

  3. #3 |  The State | 

    thought you might enjoy this twitter

    http://twitter.com/ourenemy

    it’s from the point of view of the state

    thanks man!

  4. #4 |  Mike T | 

    In their defense, they’ve come a long way as a movement. They’re now just stereotyping them and giving them an inferiority complex as opposed to the 1900s-1930s when they were actively discouraging them, denying them basic civil rights and encouraging them to have abortions to limit their numbers.

  5. #5 |  Mike T | 

    Woodrow Wilson->Barack Obama, the left has come a long way…

  6. #6 |  solarjetman | 

    I have yet to encounter a tolerable political talk radio program.

  7. #7 |  Chance | 

    No disclaimer necessary; idiots are idiots, regardless of political views.

  8. #8 |  Ben (the other one) | 

    I agree with solarjetman. The problem is inherent in talk radio. Nobody got a big market share by intelligently discussing the issues. I’m pretty liberal, so when Air America first came on, I had high hopes. I’ve since realized that a misinformed, ignorant defense of liberalism is worse in many ways than no defense at all.

  9. #9 |  MacGregory | 

    #6 , that is why I keep coming back here. I can’t speak for Radley Balko but this is what I think he might say:
    “I have read/researched this. This is what I think. Here is the link. You read it. “

  10. #10 |  Brandon Bowers | 

    Hey, talk radio serves a purpose. Some people don’t have time for thinking, they need repeatable catchphrases and loud yelling.

  11. #11 |  Dave Krueger | 

    The two political parties are not about principles or philosophy. That should be clear by the way they trespass into each others traditional territory in terms of their positions on many issue. On any particular issue, the parties now define themselves as what ever the other party is not. They are like two children who hate each other. They certainly aren’t guided by any sense of what’s best for the country.

    These radio personalities only have to make sense to those who agree with them anyway. They’re not trying to convert anyone. They’re simply trying to attract a large enough audience to finance the show and make money (if they’re lucky). Its the same premise behind shows like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, O-Reilly, Nancy Grace, Lou Dobbs, etc etc. They operate on the same psychology that motivates a mob of people with pitchforks and torches. People love to hear someone disparage those they don’t like. It makes them feel good.

  12. #12 |  Aashish | 

    I think it’s less troubling about what people SAY, as to how many people are LISTENING. And that’s why far right talk radio disturbs me more than far left radio. More people are paying attention to what the craziest fringe is saying.

  13. #13 |  Josh | 

    I say go for the trifecta, Radley, and take a listen to Mike Malloy tonight, if you can find him on the radio dial. He’ll make Miller and Schultz look civilized.

  14. #14 |  Ganja Blue | 

    For tolerable talk radio you can Google “Free Talk Live” or “Liberty Conspiracy.”

  15. #15 |  James D | 

    No wonder they need the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ …. this crap could never survive on it’s own.

  16. #16 |  Gary | 

    I have to disagree a little bit with Radley’s assessment, not specifically as it applies to Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller but as it is globally applied to left-wing vs right-wing talk radio in general. Clearly, both sides have their crazies, but it also helps to look at the intelligent talk radio hosts on each side.

    I have an hour drive to work every day and one of my favorite things to do is alternate between XM 166 (America Right) and XM 167 (America Left). From my experience, the left-wing shows are more likely to both (a) have an intelligent discussion without blanket accusations and/or strawmen, and (b) criticize their own party.

    Okay, you’re probably going to all throw rocks at me (or click the thumbs down on my comment) for saying that, but honestly this is just my experience from listening to plenty of talk radio. During my driving hours, the right wing features Bill Bennett, Shawn Hannity, and Mark Levin. During those same hours, the left wing features Bill Press, Thom Hartmann, and some new guy who replaced Rachel Maddow, I think his name is Mark Thompson.

    I personally find Bennett, Hannity, and Levin unlistenable, as well as the two that Radley pointed out (Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller) and also Randy Rhodes. Those guys are *all* awful. Stephanie Miller and Mark Levin in particular grate on my ears. Okay so yeah, each side has their crazies.

    However, I find Bill Press, Thom Hartmann, and Rachel Maddow (having since left talk radio for MSNBC) to all be listenable. Don’t get me wrong, they are left-wing and they don’t claim to be anything else, but I find the conversations to be generally intelligent (not counting the callers) and I find that they all have criticized Obama, sometimes heavily, for civil liberties issues where he hasn’t departed from Bush. I just don’t see the same on the right.

    If anyone here has an example of a right-wing talk show host who attempts intelligent conversation, doesn’t constantly blast away at strawmen, and who has consistently criticized Bush/Republicans when they were in office, I would seriously love to know. So please, add some names in the comments!

    As much as I am tempted to say that all these hosts are equally terrible, I just can’t draw that moral equivalency. Both sides have plenty of crazies, the left-wing, at least these days, has some folks that you can listen to and that can be reasonable. I don’t see the same on the right. Radley has seemed to stumble across the worst of the left, and perhaps I have just missed the best of the right?

  17. #17 |  Mike Leatherwood | 

    DI dmy local Tea Party thing. Disappointed. Most speakers spent time talking about how the government had lost God.
    There were an ecclectic bunch there, though. Ron Paulites, Sarah Paulin fans, small business groups, local churches, about every nursing home, some Anonymous, lots of Obama haters, and the occasional gun-nut-gotta-kill-em-all types. Very little talk about tax, although the organizer kept trying to bring it back to that. He tried.

  18. #18 |  Kevin | 

    I used to like Stephanie’s show. During the primary, when most of her discussion was about Barack vs. Hillary, she was interesting and fair. She was a Barack supporter, but gave Hillary respect most of the time. I thought I could actually listen to her show and learn a little bit about the rational side of liberalism.

    Once Barack got the nomination, the smug, superior, condescending attitude surfaced. She began playing old man jokes about McCain ad nauseum (some of which, I have to admit, were pretty funny), all the while complaining about the unfair stereotypes about Barack regarding his race, Rev. Wright, etc… She never really had actual arguments against McCain’s policies, her whole approach was, he’s a old man, he’s conservative, so he must be an idiot. I think I tuned out before Palin came into full light, but I can imagine how that was.

  19. #19 |  Mike T | 

    Its the same premise behind shows like Glenn Beck

    In Beck’s defense, I’ve never seen him really deviate from his stated principles. He may not really be a libertarian in an objective sense, but he’s a lot more consistent than Hannity, Limbaugh, Nancy Grace or the clowns that Radley has been writing about in the last few posts. Gotta give him credit for that.

  20. #20 |  Kevin | 

    “As much as I am tempted to say that all these hosts are equally terrible, I just can’t draw that moral equivalency. Both sides have plenty of crazies, the left-wing, at least these days, has some folks that you can listen to and that can be reasonable. I don’t see the same on the right. Radley has seemed to stumble across the worst of the left, and perhaps I have just missed the best of the right?”

    Funny, I have the opposite view, but I tend to be a bit more conservative, or, at least, the intersection of libertarian and conservative views are more important to me than the intersection of liberal and libertarian views.

    The only conservative shows I think are fairly balanced are Grandy and Andy in the mornings on 630 AM in D.C. and the old Chris Core show (although he did not like being called conservative) before he got replaced with Chris Plant (who is now gone too). I have some hope for the show that follows with Joe Scarborough, but I have only heard a 1/2 hour of it, so really cannot form an opinion yet.

  21. #21 |  Robz | 

    According to Wikipedia, Air America’s show’s market share average is 1.4%. Whether they are unhinged or not, almost no one is listening.

  22. #22 |  Tokin42 | 

    I think Radleys point was the overt racism that passes for humor on the left which would get anyone on the right side of the dial fired. Imus was considered a shock jock and what got him fired doesn’t even come close to the incredibly vile things said about Rice, Clarence Thomas, and even Powell (before his coming out for obama) by folks on the left during the last decade. If anyone made a joke about obama being a “house negro” there would be riots led by al sharpton.

    Only conservatives, which imho includes libertarians, can be racists seems to be the view of most “progressives”. Didn’t vote for Obama? It might be because you’re a anti-government racist, just ask DHS. Don’t hate me bro.

  23. #23 |  pegr | 

    Um, G. Gordon Liddy?

    He’s like my crazy Uncle! Guns, girls, and guns! And his He-Man stories from him days in the “joint” are hilarious! “This heart don’t pump no Kool-aid!”

    Wait, seriously? All mass media sucks. Nothing new.

  24. #24 |  CHRISC | 

    If anyone can find me whatever the difference on these talk shows on the left and right is I would appreciate it. Basically if you disagree with them you are sh** and stupid. I have self-esteem issues so I think I will channel surf between oreilly, savage, stephanie miller , olberman, nancy grace, hannity… OOOOHHH GOD IT HURTS SO GOOD!!!!!!!!

  25. #25 |  ChrisD | 

    I’ll say that Mike Rosen on Denver’s 850 KOA (available podcast at iTunes) is more conservative than libertarian, but not a grandstander. He’s socially liberal, economically conservative, but does not shout at people who disagree. Smart dude.

    He’s pragmatic, so he’s no doubt a repub, but at least entertains a lot of libertarian ideas even if he thinks they’re impractical.

  26. #26 |  J. Blanton | 

    I’ve only seen/heard a little bit of Glenn Beck lately, but I have to say that he’s not nearly as abrasive as Hannity is (at least from my limited sampling thus far). It just happens that the first thing I heard him saying was something along the lines of “our country was in bad shape when we elected GWB and he made it worse”. That’s not something you typically hear from the “conservative” hosts, and it caught my attention quickly. I even heard him mention that McCain was just as bad a choice as Obama. He might say many things that aren’t quite right (I don’t know personally, since I’ve only seen one and a half of his shows and heard him for 30 minutes on the radio), but he earned a little bit of respect from me for calling out bullshit in the Republicans when the rest of the party (like Hannity et al) was busy kissing ass.

  27. #27 |  Hut | 

    Radley – Whether its your intended point or not, this post suggests that the left radio is just as bad as the right radio. I don’t think you can equate the two. Yeah, they are both wildly inaccurate and recycle the same response, to a ridiculous degree. And yes there are a lot of similarites on the surface.

    But the right wing extremists are part of the mainstream media and part of the Republican Party, so much so that no one can publicly criticize them. Rush is the de factor leader of the Republican Party and no one in the party has had the power to contest that. The right extremist have huge influence over the right agenda.

    The left extremists are just out there flailing around. Huge difference.

  28. #28 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Glenn Beck is a bag of dicks! He and Jay Severin can claim libertarian status until the cows come home, but that ain’t getting them into Galt’s Gulch.

    Switching topics: As a young libertarian during Reagan’s admin, I was often standing next to Democrat hippie chicks…that I would invariably end up dating.

    Then, Clinton got in and the hippie chicks loved the goodness that is government and wanted nothing to do with libertarians…so I’d end up dating capitalist Republican women. And then Bush got elected and sent the hippie chicks back my way (married to one now).

    It was terrible to be so obviously used by the Democrats and Republicans! But pretty much what every libertarian has experienced if they’re being honest.

  29. #29 |  Big Chief | 

    I find the liberal radio bigots to be more offensive. Not because they are any more abusive or stupid than their counterparts on the right, but they proudly proclaim thier openess. Add that bit of hypocrisy to their other faults, and I get ill listening to them much more quickly. Plus I have never heard Rush shilling for government subsidies or calling for laws to get his opponents off the air like the lefties do.

    So while neither side is helping to raise the level of debate in this country, it’s more nauseating coming from the left for me.

  30. #30 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    @#22,
    I love the G-man (Liddy). More like a crazy grandfather now, but one I think I could reason into being pure libertarian (or anarchist). And, he is no pozer. No snitches!

  31. #31 |  Mike T | 

    The left extremists are just out there flailing around. Huge difference.

    Yeah because groups like Code Pink, ANSWER, MoveOn, ACORN and others like them are just so weak, impotent and out of touch with the left-wing of the Democratic Party…

  32. #32 |  Matt D | 

    Well, alright, there’s stupid people on Air America. I’m not sure that was ever in dispute. OTOH I’m pretty liberal and I’ve never ever heard of these people, whereas I take it everyone here is familiar with Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity/Hewitt/Savage/O’Reilly/etc. So that ought to suggest something about the comparative reach and influence of liberal and conservative talk radio.

    And I’m not going to defend the racist remarks on Air America, but I will say there’s a difference between racism as a prop in a joke and racism as a political cause. Obviously the bro thing was off-target, but I’ve read enough accounts and seen enough photos of the tea parties to know that there’s a definite racist angle to some participants’ politics. Not realizing that asian stereotypes are offensive is one thing; thinking Obama shouldn’t be president because he’s black is another thing entirely.

  33. #33 |  Jay | 

    Hut – With all due respect, I think you’re way off base with regard to the pull the left extremists have over the Democrat party. It’s largely a matter of perspective. To a conservative, extremist left wing groups seem to have plenty of pull over Democrats and are largely focusing the way news is viewed and reported in the mainstream media. The fact that you don’t see that might be more an indication of who you agree with…a person will rarely identify the people they identify with most as extreme, regardless of the position.

  34. #34 |  Dave Krueger | 

    I don’t think Beck is another Hannity, but when I was watching him on CNN, he seemed to be putting forth an almost frantic pitch daily that Iran was our next big threat we should be taking aggressive action to eliminate that threat now.

    The other thing I dislike about him is that he keeps referring to himself as a libertarian even as he incessantly complains about what the government should do to solve all our problems. I generally dislike people who once upon a time had a libertarian thought and forever after refer to themselves as libertarians.

    It’s been a while since I’ve listened to him, so I’m not familiar with his latest crusades, but I found enough wrong with what he used to say to keep me from stopping and listening to him when I channel hop.

    Finally, I got tired of his repeated use of the phrase, “Hey, I’m just sayin’…”.

  35. #35 |  Laertes | 

    “If anyone can find me whatever the difference on these talk shows on the left and right is I would appreciate it.”

    The only difference I’m aware of is that people on the Right actually listen to this junk, while almost nobody on the Left does. It’s all right there in the ratings.

    The reason lefties don’t have a Limbaugh is, apparently, because they don’t want one.

  36. #36 |  Hut | 

    Mike T – yes, there are political action groups with power. They are in both parties and both sides have issues with them. But what we are talking about is radio and media. In this realm there is a big difference.

    Matt D – I agree. The tea party events have a definite racial component. Maybe the ‘bro’ thing was misinterpreted. But how about signs that say:
    “Obama! What You Talkin About Willis?”
    “The American Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama’s Ovens”
    “Obama’s plan White Slavery”

    I also hate the Asian stereotype thing. Both should not be tolerated.

  37. #37 |  Laertes | 

    Exactly, Hut.

    There’s a lot of racist anti-Obama junk out there. “Don’t tax me, bro” ain’t part of it.

    Come to think of it, that’s some amazingly poor marksmanship. The racism is so thick that you could grab a sign at random and stand a good chance of finding something awful. Miller and her crew botched this one very badly. From what little I’ve heard of her show, this isn’t a real big surprise.

  38. #38 |  Hut | 

    To clarify, when I say they should not be tolerated, I mean they should not be tolerated by the media and hopefully by public opinion. Instead of celebrating them, they should be ignoring or lambasting. The government should tolerate it as long as its just speech.

    Laertes – well said.

  39. #39 |  Brandon Bowers | 

    #31, I agree wholeheartedly that the right wing idiots are much more well known than the left wing idiots, but might that be because while the conservative media buries its head in the sand and generally ignores contrasting viewpoints, every particularly stupid thing said by Limbaugh, O’reilly, et al is flogged endlessly on youtube, and then on The Daily Show, and then picked up a few days later by the liberal portions of the mainstream media? I think it’s a case of covering your ears and yelling vs. repeatedly calling your opponent stupid. and yelling.

  40. #40 |  J. Blanton | 

    Dave, I’ve heard the same things about Beck recently. From what I’ve heard lately, he’s been pushing the evils of big government and the benefits of obeying the constitution, which seems as though he may have changed his ideology a bit when he left CNN. Honestly, it seems as though most media today (and the hosts therein) have some problems with bias or their views about government, but I believe it is a good thing when those in the spotlight (in this case, Beck) are saying things like “big government is bad”. As many of us have read on this blog over the years, big government is a large source (if not the source) of our problems here in America. If Glenn Beck is going to get up there and start encouraging people to protest large government, then I’m all for it. I would also support a liberal-leaning individual if they were saying the same things (Glenn Greenwald is a good example). To me, as long as the libertarian small-gov’t message is being spread and people are willing to listen, then I don’t pay as much attention to the messenger.

    Oh, and I agree that some of his mannerisms can get a little grating sometimes :)

  41. #41 |  Hut | 

    Brandon – the reason that Limbaugh et al are flogged endlessly is because they have genuine power within the Republican Party. I’m sure you remember a few weeks ago when several republican leaders had to apologize for daring to criticize Rush. Why? Because Rush has 3 million listeners who jump when he says jump. That is why they are important. Don’t put the cart in front of the horse and suggest that Stewart et al are making Rush big. They are responding because he is big.

    And shouldn’t the left wing be reacting t the things Rush says? When the Republicans follow him, shouldn’t what he says be a subject for scrutiny?

  42. #42 |  Matt D | 

    If Glenn Beck is going to get up there and start encouraging people to protest large government, then I’m all for it. I would also support a liberal-leaning individual if they were saying the same things (Glenn Greenwald is a good example). To me, as long as the libertarian small-gov’t message is being spread and people are willing to listen, then I don’t pay as much attention to the messenger.

    Eh. I’m pretty sympathetic to small government arguments, particularly of the sort that Radley tends to make (i.e. big government tends to benefit entrenched interests, etc), but from what I’ve seen of Beck, he seems mostly to be arguing that big government in the hands of liberals is a bad thing.

  43. #43 |  Matt D | 

    #31, I agree wholeheartedly that the right wing idiots are much more well known than the left wing idiots, but might that be because while the conservative media buries its head in the sand and generally ignores contrasting viewpoints, every particularly stupid thing said by Limbaugh, O’reilly, et al is flogged endlessly on youtube, and then on The Daily Show, and then picked up a few days later by the liberal portions of the mainstream media?

    I dunno about that. Limbaugh alone has an audience probably 10-15 times larger than that of the entire Air America network. Beck, Hannity, and O’Reilly all have big, popular television shows on a big, popular cable news network. Most of them have authored fairly successful books as well. And there’s been more than a few high-level GOP pols lately forced to issue apologies for criticizing Limbaugh. I don’t think that’s ever been the case with Air America, and I would doubt many dem congresspeople would even recognize Miller’s name.

  44. #44 |  Sharpton_Fan | 

    If anyone made a joke about obama being a “house negro” there would be riots led by al sharpton.

    Wouldn’t that be “White House Negro”? Or should we not judge the house by the color of its paint?

  45. #45 |  ChrisD | 

    The left doesn’t need a Limbaugh b/c they have a distributed network of NPR hosts, Katie Couric…etc. who say stuff they agree with. The right concentrates its listenership into fewer people and on the Fox network.

  46. #46 |  Mike Leatherwood | 

    When Beck was just a radio jockey in Florida, his show was funny and he was a pleasure to listen to. Then Terry Schiavo happened, and we lost the humorous Glenn forever.

  47. #47 |  thehim | 

    I’ve definitely noticed that political talk radio is most likely to succeed when it caters to the lowest common denominator.

    Some advice, Radley: don’t even think about trying to listen to Randi Rhodes. Dear lord.

  48. #48 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #38 J. Blanton

    Dave, I’ve heard the same things about Beck recently. From what I’ve heard lately, he’s been pushing the evils of big government and the benefits of obeying the constitution, which seems as though he may have changed his ideology a bit when he left CNN.

    Ok, I’ll give him a listen again sometime. And you’re right that there are plenty of people out there to pick on without laying into those who are honestly preaching small government. I just used to get the impression from the days when I did watch him, that he was conflicted and wasn’t even aware of it.

    On the other hand, my views probably aren’t totally free from conflict either. For example, I think Fox News is terrible but I fully advocate watching it for the babes in the short skirts (provided one feels appropriately shallow while doing so). :)

  49. #49 |  angulimala | 

    To me, as long as the libertarian small-gov’t message is being spread and people are willing to listen, then I don’t pay as much attention to the messenger.

    Not to go all Godwin but the Russian Social Democrats thought the Bolsheviks were a tolerable, if over-zealous, ally in the fight against the Monarchists. The Iranian leftists thought the Islamists were a useful ally against the Shah. In fact, history is full of people who thought that they could ally with (aka. “use”) extremists only to seriously regret it later after their movement was hijacked.

    The right is no ally to libertarians. They will work with us only until the moment we have a serious good-faith disagreement with them, and then they will call us “leftists” and turn on us.

  50. #50 |  J. Blanton | 

    Yeah Dave I agree; some of those ladies on Fox News aren’t bad looking ;)

    While Beck probably isn’t as “hardcore” in his libertarianism as many of us are, I find it refreshing that he’s at least leaning that way even while standing amongst the masses of left or right-biased media. I also decided to watch his show and really pay attention to the message he’s sending…I hope he sticks to his libertarian proclamations.

    @#40 Matt

    I didn’t really get that same message from him when I heard his show. He was getting fired up saying how Bush really screwed up during his term and expanded government too far, thus setting Obama up to inherit a huge amount of power (he communicated his feeling that such executive power was bad regardless of the party). From what I’ve seen in the past, most conservative (or rather, neo-conservative) radio/TV show hosts truly do express the very ideas you mentioned (“well power was good for Bush but bad for Obama”). Beck might have a more conservative slant than many here, but my observations lead me to believe that he’s far less conservative than Hannity and those like him and conversely more libertarian than many of those in the typical media. I think many people just get turned off by his mannerisms (like Dave and to some extent me).

    I might be wrong, but I’ll be checking out Beck’s show to gather more data about his stances about big government, executive power, sticking to the constitution, etc.

  51. #51 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    I think I have the left figured out. EVERYTHING is tied to racism if said by a Republican.

    “Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco, joined by several fellow Texas House Democrats, said some people associate talk of secession with racial division and the Civil War and that Perry should disavow any notion of seceding.”

    “Talk of secession is an attack on our country. It can be nothing else. It is the ultimate anti-American statement,” Dunnam said at a news conference.”

    No, as a Texan (even tho’ in NH), the right of secession is a Texan birthright and condition of being American.

  52. #52 |  Lloyd | 

    Back in the day, when (Bill) Clinton was president, World Net Daily, Free Republic, (and sometimes even Fox News) etc. were actually sort of useful and interesting. Then W. was elected and *poof* that ended. Now ‘liberal’ radio, MSNBC, DailyKos, etc. have flipped from dissent mode to party-line mode.
    There are some progressive web sites that are still stubbornly independent — prorev.com and counterpunch.org are both good.

  53. #53 |  Windy | 

    Strangely, tho Beck is a native of my hometown (where I still live), I’ve never seen him on TV nor listened to him on the radio. Guess I’m going to have to check him out, just to see if he is a real libertarian or a right lib. I am a real libertarian’s libertarian, coming in at 100/100 on the Nolan chart. My local talk radio station has its local talk show in the morning, mostly concerned with local issues, it’s hosted by a flaming liberal and a self described independent who recently took the Nolan quiz and now calls herself libertarian (I still don’t call her that, she still leans too far right for my tastes), but she’s always promoting Beck, whereas her co-host constantly harps on how he supports Obama and Gregoire, big government and how important it is that we need to raise more taxes and create more rules and regulations to save our environment, make people treat each other with respect, and get cars off the roads. I get angry with them almost everyday and end up writing them emails nearly everyday, too. She is more willing to listen to alternate points of view than he, and occasionally she will even alter her stance when shown why her stance is incorrect for a libertarian.

  54. #54 |  pam | 

    Glenn Beck is just frightening, especially when he has Ted Nugent on.

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  56. #56 |  mattinCincy | 

    I really hope we can reach a point SOON where President Obama can be criticized without said criticism being called racist.

  57. #57 |  OGWiseman | 

    The only difference between the left-wing fringe radio and the right-wing fringe radio is that Democrats aren’t beholden to Stephanie Miller, et al. Rush is the dominant ideological voice in the GOP, but we on the Left recognize our fringe for what it is.

  58. #58 |  chiclegal | 

    mattinCincy:

    When people stop carrying signs that are clearly racist we will have reached that point. As a black liberal…I am all about dissent. But the teabaggers made it hard for me to support them when I feel like I could be lynched at their little rally.

  59. #59 |  Andre Kenji | 

    C´mon, I live in Brazil. No one here listen to radio, whatever is talk radio or not. I download content in several languages to listen in my Ipod. It´s impressive. I sincerely asks who listens to talk radio in a much richer country. .-)

    Regarding mr. Beck, the problem is that he takes himself too seriously. He is a good showman, but every time that I watch him on television I think that I´m going to see some nurses suddenly appear to take him to the Insane Asylum….

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