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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/14/teabagging/comment-page-1/#comment-263805</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look.  Whether you like the tea parties or not.  Whether you feel they&#039;re a genuine grassroots effort or not.  It doesn&#039;t really matter.

What matters is that you have a whole lot of people who are either confused, pissed off, or emotionally manipulated enough to attend.  

So instead of griping and making fun, why don&#039;t you get your ass out there and get these people&#039;s names, invite them to a meeting, and start educating them about the truth.

All of us woke up at some point or another because someone taught us or influenced us to learn more about liberty and the constitution.  It takes people who are willing to be patient and to kindly teach the truth and point out error.  

These people are ready to learn; I know because I talked to many of them.  They&#039;re ready for something new.  Something that works.  But yes, they are ignorant in many ways.  So what?  What matters is that they&#039;re ready to learn now.

If all we do is mock this movement, we&#039;re simply snobs and idiots.  If you actually want the message of liberty to spread, you have to do something other than complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look.  Whether you like the tea parties or not.  Whether you feel they&#8217;re a genuine grassroots effort or not.  It doesn&#8217;t really matter.</p>
<p>What matters is that you have a whole lot of people who are either confused, pissed off, or emotionally manipulated enough to attend.  </p>
<p>So instead of griping and making fun, why don&#8217;t you get your ass out there and get these people&#8217;s names, invite them to a meeting, and start educating them about the truth.</p>
<p>All of us woke up at some point or another because someone taught us or influenced us to learn more about liberty and the constitution.  It takes people who are willing to be patient and to kindly teach the truth and point out error.  </p>
<p>These people are ready to learn; I know because I talked to many of them.  They&#8217;re ready for something new.  Something that works.  But yes, they are ignorant in many ways.  So what?  What matters is that they&#8217;re ready to learn now.</p>
<p>If all we do is mock this movement, we&#8217;re simply snobs and idiots.  If you actually want the message of liberty to spread, you have to do something other than complain.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/14/teabagging/comment-page-1/#comment-263784</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The talking heads on MSNBC have gone a little further: Tax protesters are racist retards, you know, because the president’s black.

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/04/17/janeane-garafalo-says-tea-parties-were-for-rednecks/

For what it&#039;s worth, MSNBC’s parent company’s banking division — GE Financial — got $140 billion in bailout money.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/105984-general-electric-gets-a-140b-bailout-what-s-the-point-of-aaa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The talking heads on MSNBC have gone a little further: Tax protesters are racist retards, you know, because the president’s black.</p>
<p><a href="http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/04/17/janeane-garafalo-says-tea-parties-were-for-rednecks/" rel="nofollow">http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/04/17/janeane-garafalo-says-tea-parties-were-for-rednecks/</a></p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, MSNBC’s parent company’s banking division — GE Financial — got $140 billion in bailout money.</p>
<p><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/105984-general-electric-gets-a-140b-bailout-what-s-the-point-of-aaa" rel="nofollow">http://seekingalpha.com/article/105984-general-electric-gets-a-140b-bailout-what-s-the-point-of-aaa</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hans Bader</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/14/teabagging/comment-page-1/#comment-263535</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Bader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post’s suggestion that tea party protesters had no problem with big government in the past is erroneous.  I publicly criticized Bush&#039;s prescription drug entitlement, use of torture, his Wall Street and auto bailouts, and his &quot;stimulus&quot; rebates.  And my office hosted the end of the Washington tea party.

Moreover, the tea parties offered constructive solutions for reining in big government (contrary to Andrew Sullivan’s unfounded claim that the tea party protests had no “constructive and specific argument about how they intend to reduce spending&quot;).

Many of them protested a specific spending program: the $800 billion stimulus package, which the Congressional Budget Office says will actually shrink the economy “in the long run.”

Obama falsely sold the stimulus package to the public as needed to prevent “irreversible decline,” even though the CBO pointed out it would eventually shrink the economy. Many protests expressly targeted the stimulus package. See the links in my blog posts at Openmarket entitled “Slandering the Tea Parties.”

Tea parties also targeted the Obama Administration’s mortgage bailout, which would benefit even high-income people with modest mortgages (see the “I can’t afford your mortgage” sign at the Olathe tea party, for example).

The money appropriated for the stimulus package has mostly not been spent yet, and much money could be saved by canceling it -- and the mortgage bailouts, which also have just begun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post’s suggestion that tea party protesters had no problem with big government in the past is erroneous.  I publicly criticized Bush&#8217;s prescription drug entitlement, use of torture, his Wall Street and auto bailouts, and his &#8220;stimulus&#8221; rebates.  And my office hosted the end of the Washington tea party.</p>
<p>Moreover, the tea parties offered constructive solutions for reining in big government (contrary to Andrew Sullivan’s unfounded claim that the tea party protests had no “constructive and specific argument about how they intend to reduce spending&#8221;).</p>
<p>Many of them protested a specific spending program: the $800 billion stimulus package, which the Congressional Budget Office says will actually shrink the economy “in the long run.”</p>
<p>Obama falsely sold the stimulus package to the public as needed to prevent “irreversible decline,” even though the CBO pointed out it would eventually shrink the economy. Many protests expressly targeted the stimulus package. See the links in my blog posts at Openmarket entitled “Slandering the Tea Parties.”</p>
<p>Tea parties also targeted the Obama Administration’s mortgage bailout, which would benefit even high-income people with modest mortgages (see the “I can’t afford your mortgage” sign at the Olathe tea party, for example).</p>
<p>The money appropriated for the stimulus package has mostly not been spent yet, and much money could be saved by canceling it &#8212; and the mortgage bailouts, which also have just begun.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Bader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Bader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post&#039;s suggestion that tea party protesters had no problem with big government in the past -- Andrew Sullivan’s unfounded claim that the tea party protests had no “constructive and specific argument about how they intend to reduce spending” -- are erroneous.  

Many of the tea parties protested a specific spending program: the $800 billion stimulus package, which the Congressional Budget Office says will actually shrink the economy “in the long run.”

The “tea party” protests against out-of-control government spending have been very clear in identifying what wasteful spending they object to. One example is the stimulus package, which Obama falsely sold to the public as needed to prevent “irreversible decline,” but which the CBO repeatedly pointed out would eventually shrink the economy.  Many protests expressly targeted the stimulus package.  See the links in my blog posts at Openmarket entitled &quot;Slandering the Tea Parties.&quot;

Another example is the Obama Administration’s mortgage bailout, which would benefit even high-income people with modest mortgages (see the “I can’t afford your mortgage” sign at the Olathe tea party, for example).

For having the temerity to protest broken promises (like Obama&#039;s claim that he would enact a &quot;net spending cut,&quot; discussed in my blog post &quot;Blind to Obama&#039;s Broken Promises&quot;) and out-of-control spending, the protesters have been called “despicable” by a liberal Congresswoman, and attacked in the left-wing blogosphere in the most vicious language as “redneck, racist Republicons” and as “a bunch of white old people and rednecks” who “got together and tried to start a revolution…to drive the Fascist/Communist n****r out of the White House and stop the f**s from stealing their children.”

As a Harvard-educated, arugula-eating, urban dweller whose office hosted the end of the Washington tea party, I find these claims baffling. I am certainly not afraid of my Asian, black, and Hispanic relatives, my French-born wife, or the gay neighbor whose children play with my daughter. 

Andrew Sullivan derides the tea parties as “opposition to the Obama administration’s spending plans, manned by people who made no serious objections to George W. Bush’s.” 

I did too make “serious objections to George W. Bush’s” spending plans. I condemned his costly prescription-drug entitlement in the Washington Times, and repeatedly condemned the $160 billion Bush “stimulus rebates” in 2008. I publicly called his $700 billion Wall Street “bailout bill dangerous, inflationary, unnecessary, and unconstitutional.” And I condemned his multibillion dollar auto bailout.

And contrary to Sullivan’s claims, I do indeed have a “constructive and specific argument about how . . . to reduce spending and debt and borrowing” — cancel the wasteful $800 billion stimulus package, most of which has not been spent yet, and may cause inflation when it finally is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post&#8217;s suggestion that tea party protesters had no problem with big government in the past &#8212; Andrew Sullivan’s unfounded claim that the tea party protests had no “constructive and specific argument about how they intend to reduce spending” &#8212; are erroneous.  </p>
<p>Many of the tea parties protested a specific spending program: the $800 billion stimulus package, which the Congressional Budget Office says will actually shrink the economy “in the long run.”</p>
<p>The “tea party” protests against out-of-control government spending have been very clear in identifying what wasteful spending they object to. One example is the stimulus package, which Obama falsely sold to the public as needed to prevent “irreversible decline,” but which the CBO repeatedly pointed out would eventually shrink the economy.  Many protests expressly targeted the stimulus package.  See the links in my blog posts at Openmarket entitled &#8220;Slandering the Tea Parties.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another example is the Obama Administration’s mortgage bailout, which would benefit even high-income people with modest mortgages (see the “I can’t afford your mortgage” sign at the Olathe tea party, for example).</p>
<p>For having the temerity to protest broken promises (like Obama&#8217;s claim that he would enact a &#8220;net spending cut,&#8221; discussed in my blog post &#8220;Blind to Obama&#8217;s Broken Promises&#8221;) and out-of-control spending, the protesters have been called “despicable” by a liberal Congresswoman, and attacked in the left-wing blogosphere in the most vicious language as “redneck, racist Republicons” and as “a bunch of white old people and rednecks” who “got together and tried to start a revolution…to drive the Fascist/Communist n****r out of the White House and stop the f**s from stealing their children.”</p>
<p>As a Harvard-educated, arugula-eating, urban dweller whose office hosted the end of the Washington tea party, I find these claims baffling. I am certainly not afraid of my Asian, black, and Hispanic relatives, my French-born wife, or the gay neighbor whose children play with my daughter. </p>
<p>Andrew Sullivan derides the tea parties as “opposition to the Obama administration’s spending plans, manned by people who made no serious objections to George W. Bush’s.” </p>
<p>I did too make “serious objections to George W. Bush’s” spending plans. I condemned his costly prescription-drug entitlement in the Washington Times, and repeatedly condemned the $160 billion Bush “stimulus rebates” in 2008. I publicly called his $700 billion Wall Street “bailout bill dangerous, inflationary, unnecessary, and unconstitutional.” And I condemned his multibillion dollar auto bailout.</p>
<p>And contrary to Sullivan’s claims, I do indeed have a “constructive and specific argument about how . . . to reduce spending and debt and borrowing” — cancel the wasteful $800 billion stimulus package, most of which has not been spent yet, and may cause inflation when it finally is.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Kenji</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Kenji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, at least the antiwar demonstrations had a clear objective, and they didn´t used stupid costumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, at least the antiwar demonstrations had a clear objective, and they didn´t used stupid costumes.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Kenji</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/14/teabagging/comment-page-1/#comment-263285</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre Kenji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several MSNBC shows, including Countdown and Rachel Maddow are available online. If you own some portable media player(like an Ipod or a Iphone) you can subscribe via Itunes and watch it anywhere.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8132577/

It´s wonderful to do while traveling by bus or train... I find that economically these shows are horrible, but I watch Olbermann just to see him mocking O´Reilly and Limbaugh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several MSNBC shows, including Countdown and Rachel Maddow are available online. If you own some portable media player(like an Ipod or a Iphone) you can subscribe via Itunes and watch it anywhere.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8132577/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8132577/</a></p>
<p>It´s wonderful to do while traveling by bus or train&#8230; I find that economically these shows are horrible, but I watch Olbermann just to see him mocking O´Reilly and Limbaugh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Weak Tea - In The Agora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weak Tea - In The Agora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the frustrated can feel both beleagured and self-righteous complaining about . . . well, whathaveyou &#8212; that&#8217;s not as important as the fact that they&#8217;ve all gotten together in one big [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the frustrated can feel both beleagured and self-righteous complaining about . . . well, whathaveyou &#8212; that&#8217;s not as important as the fact that they&#8217;ve all gotten together in one big [...]</p>
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		<title>By: angulimala</title>
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		<dc:creator>angulimala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yeah, their ideological impurities disqualify them from having valid concerns about taxation and government spending.&lt;/i&gt;

They point is that they are lying (maybe to themselves) about what bothers them.

If someone says &quot;I dont like Gov&#039;t spending&quot; but ONLY objects to gov&#039;t spending on X and not on Y and Z, then the logical conclusion is that he does NOT dislike &quot;gov&#039;t spending&quot;.  He really just dislikes X.  Calling him out on that is legitimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yeah, their ideological impurities disqualify them from having valid concerns about taxation and government spending.</i></p>
<p>They point is that they are lying (maybe to themselves) about what bothers them.</p>
<p>If someone says &#8220;I dont like Gov&#8217;t spending&#8221; but ONLY objects to gov&#8217;t spending on X and not on Y and Z, then the logical conclusion is that he does NOT dislike &#8220;gov&#8217;t spending&#8221;.  He really just dislikes X.  Calling him out on that is legitimate.</p>
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		<title>By: angulimala</title>
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		<dc:creator>angulimala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

You missed the third, and largest, faction that think you guys are just pathetic jokes.  We&#039;re not blind.  We&#039;re not scared.  We&#039;re laughing our assess off at you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>You missed the third, and largest, faction that think you guys are just pathetic jokes.  We&#8217;re not blind.  We&#8217;re not scared.  We&#8217;re laughing our assess off at you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tea and Biscuits &#171; The Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tea and Biscuits &#171; The Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Balko notes the similaritybetween the Tea Partiers and the Iraq War protesters: I tend to agree with them, but they make it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: something in Latin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/14/teabagging/comment-page-1/#comment-262617</link>
		<dc:creator>something in Latin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if these people come down libertarian on most every issue, the unfortunate truth is that they still going to vote for representatives (probably GOP) who come to small-government events, wave, and return to DC to perpetuate the problem.  I live in Missoula, Montana, and there was a statewide poll that asked Montanans about their positions on social and economic issues.  The result?  A large majority were for free-markets and personal freedom on social issues.

Yeah, there&#039;s a word for that.  Typically, the conclusion the papers came to was that this made Montana a swing state.  I&#039;m not sure how it shows that Montanans support moderate amounts of activities they&#039;re against.

This used to confuse me...until I was part of an official Libertarian Party campus organization, for two years.  It was simply...fuck.  Some very intelligent people, but largely a zoo monkey shit-fight.  

So I can&#039;t blame people for not supporting a party that nominated, at the statewide level (thrice), a man who TURNED HIMSELF BLUE drinking silver out of fear of Y2K, and was more rabid conservative than libertarian, in any case.

Which brings us to these Tea Parties people, who are limited government on this issue, if nothing else.  We&#039;d like to align ourselves with this group on this issue, and nothing else; but when the DNC has jettisoned any chance of picking up this voting bloc, and they can&#039;t bring themselves to vote for a laughable LP, they end up in a GOP in which they do not constitute a large enough percentage to influence primaries.  

I did not vote, due to a lack of options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if these people come down libertarian on most every issue, the unfortunate truth is that they still going to vote for representatives (probably GOP) who come to small-government events, wave, and return to DC to perpetuate the problem.  I live in Missoula, Montana, and there was a statewide poll that asked Montanans about their positions on social and economic issues.  The result?  A large majority were for free-markets and personal freedom on social issues.</p>
<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s a word for that.  Typically, the conclusion the papers came to was that this made Montana a swing state.  I&#8217;m not sure how it shows that Montanans support moderate amounts of activities they&#8217;re against.</p>
<p>This used to confuse me&#8230;until I was part of an official Libertarian Party campus organization, for two years.  It was simply&#8230;fuck.  Some very intelligent people, but largely a zoo monkey shit-fight.  </p>
<p>So I can&#8217;t blame people for not supporting a party that nominated, at the statewide level (thrice), a man who TURNED HIMSELF BLUE drinking silver out of fear of Y2K, and was more rabid conservative than libertarian, in any case.</p>
<p>Which brings us to these Tea Parties people, who are limited government on this issue, if nothing else.  We&#8217;d like to align ourselves with this group on this issue, and nothing else; but when the DNC has jettisoned any chance of picking up this voting bloc, and they can&#8217;t bring themselves to vote for a laughable LP, they end up in a GOP in which they do not constitute a large enough percentage to influence primaries.  </p>
<p>I did not vote, due to a lack of options.</p>
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		<title>By: Were the tea parties hijacked? - Orange Punch - OCRegister.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Were the tea parties hijacked? - Orange Punch - OCRegister.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been a fair amount of grumping that today&#8217;s Tea Parties were originally the idea of  various libertarian-oriented [...]</description>
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		<title>By: scott in phx az</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/14/teabagging/comment-page-1/#comment-262481</link>
		<dc:creator>scott in phx az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea who created the tea party movement, but Michelle (whom I know Radley doesn&#039;t respect) says it is a spontaneous movement.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/15/a-tax-day-tea-party-cheat-sheet-how-it-all-started/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea who created the tea party movement, but Michelle (whom I know Radley doesn&#8217;t respect) says it is a spontaneous movement.</p>
<p><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/15/a-tax-day-tea-party-cheat-sheet-how-it-all-started/" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/15/a-tax-day-tea-party-cheat-sheet-how-it-all-started/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got in from the Concord NH tea party (NOT A TEA BAG PARTY...that&#039;s tonight!).

Started off with the good old pledge of allegiance.  Then a good word for our troops overseas protecting our freedom.  Then a bunch of words about Obama&#039;s budget.  So...the right wing was smiling proudly after the first 20 minutes.

There was a mix of some Gov. Lynch directed venom, and we&#039;ve been invaded by Mass-hole Democrats and the local Republicans are anxious to vent.

There were also die-hard libertarians (I recognized more than a few of them) in the audience.  

John Birch Society arrived an hour after it all got started.  

Sign grammar was pretty good for New Hampshire!

Message of the day: YOU need to run for office.  Get busy.

My skepticism with the Tea Party is that nothing short of several complete collapses of the country and millions of lives diminished will convince people to limit government.  But, I&#039;m an optimist...in that eventually we&#039;ll get there...just not in my life...or anyone I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got in from the Concord NH tea party (NOT A TEA BAG PARTY&#8230;that&#8217;s tonight!).</p>
<p>Started off with the good old pledge of allegiance.  Then a good word for our troops overseas protecting our freedom.  Then a bunch of words about Obama&#8217;s budget.  So&#8230;the right wing was smiling proudly after the first 20 minutes.</p>
<p>There was a mix of some Gov. Lynch directed venom, and we&#8217;ve been invaded by Mass-hole Democrats and the local Republicans are anxious to vent.</p>
<p>There were also die-hard libertarians (I recognized more than a few of them) in the audience.  </p>
<p>John Birch Society arrived an hour after it all got started.  </p>
<p>Sign grammar was pretty good for New Hampshire!</p>
<p>Message of the day: YOU need to run for office.  Get busy.</p>
<p>My skepticism with the Tea Party is that nothing short of several complete collapses of the country and millions of lives diminished will convince people to limit government.  But, I&#8217;m an optimist&#8230;in that eventually we&#8217;ll get there&#8230;just not in my life&#8230;or anyone I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Like the anti-war folks &#171; Tangzine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Like the anti-war folks &#171; Tangzine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that the anti war protests turned out about two million people across the US and largely mainstream...the one in NYC was immense. These will be lucky if they turn out 30,000 across the country. And what are they protesting about? The fact that the top marginal rate is going up 3%. I doubt there are many $200k plus folks at these rallies so most of them have just had a tax cut. In reality it&#039;s a coalition of people with grievances of one sort and another who are angry they lost the election. For some reason the right seems to have made a concerted decision to cooperate fully with the Obama admin&#039;s strategy to portray them as complete whackoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that the anti war protests turned out about two million people across the US and largely mainstream&#8230;the one in NYC was immense. These will be lucky if they turn out 30,000 across the country. And what are they protesting about? The fact that the top marginal rate is going up 3%. I doubt there are many $200k plus folks at these rallies so most of them have just had a tax cut. In reality it&#8217;s a coalition of people with grievances of one sort and another who are angry they lost the election. For some reason the right seems to have made a concerted decision to cooperate fully with the Obama admin&#8217;s strategy to portray them as complete whackoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Snarky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And for those of you baffled by the contempt directed at this phenomenon, I suggest you attend one and take your own informal survey of the attendees to ascertain their feelings toward the Patriot Act, FISA violations, the death of habeas corpus, Gitmo, waterboarding, extraordinary renditions, the War On (Some People Who Use Some Kinds Of) Drugs, and on and on. I think you’ll find that most - not all, but most - of the people ranting and raving about “limited government” are sunshine patriots and summer soldiers when it comes to any violation of civil liberties, and that their half-witted understandings of “Taxation Without Representation” and who spends what are their only, and very bad, reasons for being there.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, their ideological impurities disqualify them from having valid concerns about taxation and government spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And for those of you baffled by the contempt directed at this phenomenon, I suggest you attend one and take your own informal survey of the attendees to ascertain their feelings toward the Patriot Act, FISA violations, the death of habeas corpus, Gitmo, waterboarding, extraordinary renditions, the War On (Some People Who Use Some Kinds Of) Drugs, and on and on. I think you’ll find that most &#8211; not all, but most &#8211; of the people ranting and raving about “limited government” are sunshine patriots and summer soldiers when it comes to any violation of civil liberties, and that their half-witted understandings of “Taxation Without Representation” and who spends what are their only, and very bad, reasons for being there.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, their ideological impurities disqualify them from having valid concerns about taxation and government spending.</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Krueger &quot;It makes one wonder how we ever got enough dumb ass politicians on the same page to get the Constitution ratified. It must have just been slipped in there with a bunch of other shit they never read.&quot;

lol brilliant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Krueger &#8220;It makes one wonder how we ever got enough dumb ass politicians on the same page to get the Constitution ratified. It must have just been slipped in there with a bunch of other shit they never read.&#8221;</p>
<p>lol brilliant!</p>
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		<title>By: El Caballo de Sangre</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Caballo de Sangre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look: whatever the Tea Parties might have &quot;started out as&quot;, that&#039;s not what they are now, and that&#039;s not what&#039;s being mocked. If you really think that whatever high media profile this &quot;movement&quot; has right now is the outgrowth of some libertarian/Paulite impulse, then you are willfully ignoring the FNC/Pajamas/Astroturf pimping of them (a la Glenn Beck headlining a $500-a-plate fundraiser for them). If you think that because they (might have) started out as simon-pure limited government citizens&#039; revolts, that means it&#039;s okay to keep on truckin&#039; in a &quot;multi-partisan&quot; way, then you better be worried about the fleas you&#039;re gonna wake up with after lying down w/ dogs like Cavuto, Malkin et. al. The rank stupidity, hypocrisy, intellectual vapidity/inconsistency, etc. of the Tea Partiers (in their CURRENT form, for you pedants) is staggering.

And for those of you baffled by the contempt directed at this phenomenon, I suggest you attend one and take your own informal survey of the attendees to ascertain their feelings toward the Patriot Act, FISA violations, the death of habeas corpus, Gitmo, waterboarding, extraordinary renditions, the War On (Some People Who Use Some Kinds Of) Drugs, and on and on. I think you&#039;ll find that most - not all, but most - of the people ranting and raving about &quot;limited government&quot; are sunshine patriots and summer soldiers when it comes to any violation of civil liberties, and that their half-witted understandings of &quot;Taxation Without Representation&quot; and who spends what are their only, and very bad, reasons for being there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look: whatever the Tea Parties might have &#8220;started out as&#8221;, that&#8217;s not what they are now, and that&#8217;s not what&#8217;s being mocked. If you really think that whatever high media profile this &#8220;movement&#8221; has right now is the outgrowth of some libertarian/Paulite impulse, then you are willfully ignoring the FNC/Pajamas/Astroturf pimping of them (a la Glenn Beck headlining a $500-a-plate fundraiser for them). If you think that because they (might have) started out as simon-pure limited government citizens&#8217; revolts, that means it&#8217;s okay to keep on truckin&#8217; in a &#8220;multi-partisan&#8221; way, then you better be worried about the fleas you&#8217;re gonna wake up with after lying down w/ dogs like Cavuto, Malkin et. al. The rank stupidity, hypocrisy, intellectual vapidity/inconsistency, etc. of the Tea Partiers (in their CURRENT form, for you pedants) is staggering.</p>
<p>And for those of you baffled by the contempt directed at this phenomenon, I suggest you attend one and take your own informal survey of the attendees to ascertain their feelings toward the Patriot Act, FISA violations, the death of habeas corpus, Gitmo, waterboarding, extraordinary renditions, the War On (Some People Who Use Some Kinds Of) Drugs, and on and on. I think you&#8217;ll find that most &#8211; not all, but most &#8211; of the people ranting and raving about &#8220;limited government&#8221; are sunshine patriots and summer soldiers when it comes to any violation of civil liberties, and that their half-witted understandings of &#8220;Taxation Without Representation&#8221; and who spends what are their only, and very bad, reasons for being there.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;As for the tea party critics, you seem to fall into two camps.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I&#039;m by myself, then.  I think the whole thing is bloody horseshit, but not for the reasons that the myopes here do.  They think it&#039;s a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.  That&#039;s fucking stoopid, but that&#039;s who they are.

No; the thing wrong it is that there is no philosophy under it.  These are people who&#039;ve lived with generations of the rot that brought them to the point where the best they can do is sit up and blink their eyes at what&#039;s happening.  They don&#039;t really know, and they never really cared.  They still don&#039;t.

This is a moment of indigestion.  They&#039;ll get over it, and The Endarkenment will proceed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;As for the tea party critics, you seem to fall into two camps.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m by myself, then.  I think the whole thing is bloody horseshit, but not for the reasons that the myopes here do.  They think it&#8217;s a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.  That&#8217;s fucking stoopid, but that&#8217;s who they are.</p>
<p>No; the thing wrong it is that there is no philosophy under it.  These are people who&#8217;ve lived with generations of the rot that brought them to the point where the best they can do is sit up and blink their eyes at what&#8217;s happening.  They don&#8217;t really know, and they never really cared.  They still don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This is a moment of indigestion.  They&#8217;ll get over it, and The Endarkenment will proceed.</p>
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