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	<title>Comments on: TSA Responds to Detainment of Campaign for Liberty Staffer</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Keep smoking or else you hate poor children.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-268990</link>
		<dc:creator>Keep smoking or else you hate poor children.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So what I propose is that you say &#8220;fuck the government&#8221; and quit smoking. I&#8217;m contemplating turning into a Facebook movement, but then I might be thought of as a radical militia woman. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So what I propose is that you say &#8220;fuck the government&#8221; and quit smoking. I&#8217;m contemplating turning into a Facebook movement, but then I might be thought of as a radical militia woman. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-260581</link>
		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah, who needs cocaine when you can get pure oxygen from the masks above your seat.

A favorite TSA moment of mine was last fall when I used my passport as ID going thru the security line. It was brand new and the idiot geezer actually looked at it and said, &quot;its expired&quot;. I looked at him like &quot;wtf?&quot; and said, &quot;no its not, its brand new&quot;. &quot;Yup it is, see here...&quot; &quot;Uh, no thats when it was issued, 3 months ago.&quot; I had to bite back the &quot;jackass&quot; part I was thinking. &quot;Oh, I see, thats right&quot;. Then he gives me some goofball smile. I couldn&#039;t figure out if he was that dumb or trying to be a smartass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah, who needs cocaine when you can get pure oxygen from the masks above your seat.</p>
<p>A favorite TSA moment of mine was last fall when I used my passport as ID going thru the security line. It was brand new and the idiot geezer actually looked at it and said, &#8220;its expired&#8221;. I looked at him like &#8220;wtf?&#8221; and said, &#8220;no its not, its brand new&#8221;. &#8220;Yup it is, see here&#8230;&#8221; &#8220;Uh, no thats when it was issued, 3 months ago.&#8221; I had to bite back the &#8220;jackass&#8221; part I was thinking. &#8220;Oh, I see, thats right&#8221;. Then he gives me some goofball smile. I couldn&#8217;t figure out if he was that dumb or trying to be a smartass.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Sherwood</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-260458</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Sherwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t want people buying cocaine during the flight, do we?</description>
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		<title>By: omar</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259807</link>
		<dc:creator>omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33 &#124;   Michael Chaney

The link stoped working.  Either TSA has shitbrain web admins, or they are scrubbing the link.

Why they don&#039;t just delete the comment though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33 |   Michael Chaney</p>
<p>The link stoped working.  Either TSA has shitbrain web admins, or they are scrubbing the link.</p>
<p>Why they don&#8217;t just delete the comment though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259612</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probable cause is the reason they cook up to justify what they already did.</description>
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		<title>By: fwb</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259503</link>
		<dc:creator>fwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue about cash is not new.  Anyone reading news knows that LEOs have been detaining/arresting people and stealing cash from them going back 15-20 yrs or more.  In AZ in the 90s, a female sheriff pulled over a motorhome with an elderly couple in it and confiscated, as I recall, about $4500.00 in cash.  In the late 80s or early 90s there was a business man (greenhouse owner) who did a cash business and was grabbed because he bought his plane tickets cash and traveled with large amounts of cash on him.  There would seem to be an issue with the 4th amendment here since the 4th requires a warrant for any search to be reasonable (Don&#039;t have to take my word, read any of the dozens of cases and constitutional law books from the 19th century).  What most people believe about probable cause is a lie invented in the 20th century by the courts in order to screw over the people.

Tiochfaidh ar la!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue about cash is not new.  Anyone reading news knows that LEOs have been detaining/arresting people and stealing cash from them going back 15-20 yrs or more.  In AZ in the 90s, a female sheriff pulled over a motorhome with an elderly couple in it and confiscated, as I recall, about $4500.00 in cash.  In the late 80s or early 90s there was a business man (greenhouse owner) who did a cash business and was grabbed because he bought his plane tickets cash and traveled with large amounts of cash on him.  There would seem to be an issue with the 4th amendment here since the 4th requires a warrant for any search to be reasonable (Don&#8217;t have to take my word, read any of the dozens of cases and constitutional law books from the 19th century).  What most people believe about probable cause is a lie invented in the 20th century by the courts in order to screw over the people.</p>
<p>Tiochfaidh ar la!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom W</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259494</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first heard about this happening, I immediately wondered why too much CASH is deemed suspicious, while nobody bats an eye at a wallet full of credit and debit cards?  What about if said cards don&#039;t all have matching names printed on them?

I mean, the bottom line here is, the TSA claims they can help weed out potential terrorists on flights NOT just by searching for products on their person or in their bags that would endanger people&#039;s safety and pose threats, but by looking for signs you might be doing anything *illegal*.  So why not look for &quot;suspicious debit/credit cards&quot; while you&#039;re checking out that drivers&#039; license and making that arbitrary decision if they have &quot;too much&quot; cash?

For that matter, I&#039;d also like to ask the TSA screeners why the double-standard with containers?  I mean, what if I had just as much cash as this guy did, but I carried it in a tupperware container instead of a metal box?  Since the metal detector wouldn&#039;t be set off by that, does that mean the money would suddenly be less &quot;suspicious&quot;?  Apparently so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first heard about this happening, I immediately wondered why too much CASH is deemed suspicious, while nobody bats an eye at a wallet full of credit and debit cards?  What about if said cards don&#8217;t all have matching names printed on them?</p>
<p>I mean, the bottom line here is, the TSA claims they can help weed out potential terrorists on flights NOT just by searching for products on their person or in their bags that would endanger people&#8217;s safety and pose threats, but by looking for signs you might be doing anything *illegal*.  So why not look for &#8220;suspicious debit/credit cards&#8221; while you&#8217;re checking out that drivers&#8217; license and making that arbitrary decision if they have &#8220;too much&#8221; cash?</p>
<p>For that matter, I&#8217;d also like to ask the TSA screeners why the double-standard with containers?  I mean, what if I had just as much cash as this guy did, but I carried it in a tupperware container instead of a metal box?  Since the metal detector wouldn&#8217;t be set off by that, does that mean the money would suddenly be less &#8220;suspicious&#8221;?  Apparently so!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259404</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 08:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they&#039;re concerned whether the passenger might recruit a terrorist unit on the plane by offering 1,000 dollars each for the first four persons to apply for the hijacking position, with a bonus of 700 in case they need to stop a passanger uprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they&#8217;re concerned whether the passenger might recruit a terrorist unit on the plane by offering 1,000 dollars each for the first four persons to apply for the hijacking position, with a bonus of 700 in case they need to stop a passanger uprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiliam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259356</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiliam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote the Joker &quot;And I thought my jokes were bad&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote the Joker &#8220;And I thought my jokes were bad&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259352</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, they&#039;re not that smart.  Here&#039;s a working link:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/04/incident-at-st-louis-international.html?showComment=1238789460002#c6968705034868323685&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/04/incident-at-st-louis-international.html?showComment=1238789460002#c6968705034868323685&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, they&#8217;re not that smart.  Here&#8217;s a working link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/04/incident-at-st-louis-international.html?showComment=1238789460002#c6968705034868323685" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/04/incident-at-st-louis-international.html?showComment=1238789460002#c6968705034868323685</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259351</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SJE - it wasn&#039;t deleted, they just hacked their code to 404 if you go to that particular comment.  Try this:

http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/04/incident-at-st-louis-international.html

And search for &quot;yup&quot; on the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJE &#8211; it wasn&#8217;t deleted, they just hacked their code to 404 if you go to that particular comment.  Try this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/04/incident-at-st-louis-international.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/04/incident-at-st-louis-international.html</a></p>
<p>And search for &#8220;yup&#8221; on the page.</p>
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		<title>By: freedomfan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259350</link>
		<dc:creator>freedomfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/#comment-259301&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SJE&lt;/a&gt;, the comment is still there (do a search for &quot;you wonder why&quot; in your browser), but it looks like they turned off the comment links for the page.

BTW, I would want an extra question answered. I know that TSA cannot arrest you and I know that the local police have to have more than just &quot;he&#039;s carrying cash&quot; to arrest you, but do the TSA goons have discretionary power to keep you off the plane? In other words, I assume they can &lt;em&gt;ask&lt;/em&gt; you questions about whatever you are carrying but, if you don&#039;t answer them, can they basically cost you hundreds of dollars in air fare by not letting you fly (because you aren&#039;t &quot;cooperating&quot;)? Or, do they actually have to show that you are a legitimate safety threat to the flight or let you fly?

(And, yes, I&#039;m sure they get a &quot;reasonable&quot; amount of time to pose questions to me and I know that I might miss a flight if I&#039;m running late. But, it rises to a whole other level if you basically just can&#039;t fly if you don&#039;t make these guys happy, even if they don&#039;t have a legitimate reason claim you are a safety problem.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/#comment-259301" rel="nofollow">SJE</a>, the comment is still there (do a search for &#8220;you wonder why&#8221; in your browser), but it looks like they turned off the comment links for the page.</p>
<p>BTW, I would want an extra question answered. I know that TSA cannot arrest you and I know that the local police have to have more than just &#8220;he&#8217;s carrying cash&#8221; to arrest you, but do the TSA goons have discretionary power to keep you off the plane? In other words, I assume they can <em>ask</em> you questions about whatever you are carrying but, if you don&#8217;t answer them, can they basically cost you hundreds of dollars in air fare by not letting you fly (because you aren&#8217;t &#8220;cooperating&#8221;)? Or, do they actually have to show that you are a legitimate safety threat to the flight or let you fly?</p>
<p>(And, yes, I&#8217;m sure they get a &#8220;reasonable&#8221; amount of time to pose questions to me and I know that I might miss a flight if I&#8217;m running late. But, it rises to a whole other level if you basically just can&#8217;t fly if you don&#8217;t make these guys happy, even if they don&#8217;t have a legitimate reason claim you are a safety problem.)</p>
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		<title>By: CharlesWT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259346</link>
		<dc:creator>CharlesWT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;nwerner&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Of no particular relevance but, about five or six years ago, I was able to walk right through TSA security with about $5,000 in silver dollars with the only question asked, “are you buying or selling?”&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If that was face value, you&#039;re a better man than I am. 5,000 silver dollars ~290 pounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>nwerner</b>:<br />
<blockquote><i>&#8220;Of no particular relevance but, about five or six years ago, I was able to walk right through TSA security with about $5,000 in silver dollars with the only question asked, “are you buying or selling?”&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>If that was face value, you&#8217;re a better man than I am. 5,000 silver dollars ~290 pounds.</p>
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		<title>By: KBCraig</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259345</link>
		<dc:creator>KBCraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the maximum amount to avoid suspicion is &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; $0. Heck, even zero is supicious... who doesn&#039;t carry cash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the maximum amount to avoid suspicion is <i>also</i> $0. Heck, even zero is supicious&#8230; who doesn&#8217;t carry cash?</p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259341</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still not clear: are there specific guidelines to what constitutes &quot;superstitious enough&quot; behavior on my part to detain me and/or prevent me from flying?  Is it just the best judgment of the TSA agent?  

Can they detain me based on their intuition; a funny feeling in their gut about me?

Can they detain me if i change brands of deo and sweat through my shirt?  Excess perspiration could indicate a high level of anxiety.

Can they detain me because I claim to have made $4700 selling nude photos of their wives?  A-Hole, for sure, but a travel risk?

I agree with Kieffer, these particular agents seem ill-equipped to enforce any kind of &quot;General Rule&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still not clear: are there specific guidelines to what constitutes &#8220;superstitious enough&#8221; behavior on my part to detain me and/or prevent me from flying?  Is it just the best judgment of the TSA agent?  </p>
<p>Can they detain me based on their intuition; a funny feeling in their gut about me?</p>
<p>Can they detain me if i change brands of deo and sweat through my shirt?  Excess perspiration could indicate a high level of anxiety.</p>
<p>Can they detain me because I claim to have made $4700 selling nude photos of their wives?  A-Hole, for sure, but a travel risk?</p>
<p>I agree with Kieffer, these particular agents seem ill-equipped to enforce any kind of &#8220;General Rule&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinandpuller</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259336</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omar-

Apparently they scrubbed that link but I did find out that I can bring screwdrivers or wrenches longer than 7 inches in my carry on-that&#039;s reassuring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omar-</p>
<p>Apparently they scrubbed that link but I did find out that I can bring screwdrivers or wrenches longer than 7 inches in my carry on-that&#8217;s reassuring.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259327</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks to me like in the comments the TSA is trying to shift the blame to the local police.

I&#039;m amazed we&#039;ve gotten to a place where the simple possession of a legal object (cash, in this case), can refult in detention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to me like in the comments the TSA is trying to shift the blame to the local police.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed we&#8217;ve gotten to a place where the simple possession of a legal object (cash, in this case), can refult in detention.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259301</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omar: that comment was deleted from the TSA.  Maybe someone at the TSA actually reads this site, if only to control negative press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omar: that comment was deleted from the TSA.  Maybe someone at the TSA actually reads this site, if only to control negative press.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259288</link>
		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are you are or are you not required by law to answer questions like that to travel? It’s a Yes/No, dichotomous, binary, true/false question with only two possible answers. These propagandists refuse to answer the question.&quot;

You are not required to speak, at all, to the TSA or to the police, eevr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are you are or are you not required by law to answer questions like that to travel? It’s a Yes/No, dichotomous, binary, true/false question with only two possible answers. These propagandists refuse to answer the question.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are not required to speak, at all, to the TSA or to the police, eevr.</p>
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		<title>By: cApitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/06/tsa-responds-to-detainment-of-campaign-for-liberty-staffer/comment-page-1/#comment-259285</link>
		<dc:creator>cApitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you think they&#039;ll respond to my &quot;Eat a dick TSA&quot; t-shirt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you think they&#8217;ll respond to my &#8220;Eat a dick TSA&#8221; t-shirt?</p>
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