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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257454</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I deal with the prison authorities (DOC) in Maryland often.  They are so stupid I don&#039;t trust them to execute the right person.  I&#039;m not saying that I&#039;m worried they would execute the guy for a crime he didn&#039;t do.  I&#039;m worried that they will execute a guy who isn&#039;t even sentenced to death.  They are fucking stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deal with the prison authorities (DOC) in Maryland often.  They are so stupid I don&#8217;t trust them to execute the right person.  I&#8217;m not saying that I&#8217;m worried they would execute the guy for a crime he didn&#8217;t do.  I&#8217;m worried that they will execute a guy who isn&#8217;t even sentenced to death.  They are fucking stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy Dragon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257428</link>
		<dc:creator>Stormy Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought that unrecognized irony should be toxic, so after saying something like Gonzalez&#039;s line, they would collapse and have to be rushed to the hospital to be treated for irony poisoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that unrecognized irony should be toxic, so after saying something like Gonzalez&#8217;s line, they would collapse and have to be rushed to the hospital to be treated for irony poisoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Aspasia</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257419</link>
		<dc:creator>Aspasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People have made clothes dedicated to the fried delight.&quot;

I have a button that says &quot;I &lt;3 Bacon&quot;. People are always amazed at such public displays of pork-love. If only we can all have clothes made OF the fried delight then we can all &quot;eat our shorts&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People have made clothes dedicated to the fried delight.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have a button that says &#8220;I &lt;3 Bacon&#8221;. People are always amazed at such public displays of pork-love. If only we can all have clothes made OF the fried delight then we can all &#8220;eat our shorts&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shakespeareniac</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257417</link>
		<dc:creator>Shakespeareniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baconographers! Dey took er jobs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baconographers! Dey took er jobs!</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257407</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Florida, credit where credit is due:

&quot;Sheriffs, police chiefs lobbying against proposed law&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Florida, credit where credit is due:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sheriffs, police chiefs lobbying against proposed law&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257365</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor threadjack:

From Reason Hit &amp; Run:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Fired Up
March 27, 2009

Mike and Cathy Grosse were shopping when they got the call from the Hamilton, Ohio, fire department. Firefighters had mistaken their home for a vacant house and knocked down the door during a training exercise. The firefighters caused some $1,000 in damage, but they say they&#039;ll pay to fix things. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;REAL EMERGENCY WORKERS&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; pay for their mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor threadjack:</p>
<p>From Reason Hit &amp; Run:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Fired Up<br />
March 27, 2009</p>
<p>Mike and Cathy Grosse were shopping when they got the call from the Hamilton, Ohio, fire department. Firefighters had mistaken their home for a vacant house and knocked down the door during a training exercise. The firefighters caused some $1,000 in damage, but they say they&#8217;ll pay to fix things.
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<p><i><b>REAL EMERGENCY WORKERS</b></i> pay for their mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in AL</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257363</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to have a set of real Jarts again.  I have no idea what happened to ours.  That website is dead, but if anyone discovers where used sets may be purchased, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to have a set of real Jarts again.  I have no idea what happened to ours.  That website is dead, but if anyone discovers where used sets may be purchased, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: lunchstealer</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257346</link>
		<dc:creator>lunchstealer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Alberto Gonzalez,

Seriously?  Was he able to keep a straight face while saying that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Alberto Gonzalez,</p>
<p>Seriously?  Was he able to keep a straight face while saying that?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257343</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you try to look up &quot;Jarts In Your Heart&quot; (the website mentioned in the Jarts article) you will find the link directs you to Walmart, and it sells the &quot;safe&quot; version, without the pointy metal tips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you try to look up &#8220;Jarts In Your Heart&#8221; (the website mentioned in the Jarts article) you will find the link directs you to Walmart, and it sells the &#8220;safe&#8221; version, without the pointy metal tips.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257339</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dave (or is that Freddie) Krueger # 27:

And how did the neighbor kids react when you turned on the barbeque and picked up the fork?

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave (or is that Freddie) Krueger # 27:</p>
<p>And how did the neighbor kids react when you turned on the barbeque and picked up the fork?</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257338</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Hannity&#039;s comment should be taken to mean he wants evidence that is so incontrovertable that it cannot be denied before someone is executed, not a literal expectation of a video recording of the crime.

Of course, preserving all the video evidence in every case might lead to a few more cops behind bars. I&#039;m not sure how Hannity might feel about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Hannity&#8217;s comment should be taken to mean he wants evidence that is so incontrovertable that it cannot be denied before someone is executed, not a literal expectation of a video recording of the crime.</p>
<p>Of course, preserving all the video evidence in every case might lead to a few more cops behind bars. I&#8217;m not sure how Hannity might feel about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257337</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she bought a six pack to share with five of her friends, why was there one left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she bought a six pack to share with five of her friends, why was there one left?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257335</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love lawn darts.  It used to be so much fun to bring them outside and watch all the little neighbor kids scream and frantically run off to find a place to hide like roaches when the lights go on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love lawn darts.  It used to be so much fun to bring them outside and watch all the little neighbor kids scream and frantically run off to find a place to hide like roaches when the lights go on.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257334</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the police raid, you gotta wonder, when something like this happens, how these guys actually even managed to get a paying job.  It&#039;s not bad enough when they screw up a raid, but the explanation they give after the fact is usually incredibly lame.  In fact, in order to give such a dumb ass comment, they must think everyone on the planet is as stupid as they are.  

&lt;i&gt;&quot;We try to make sure everything is as painless as possible,” Woodward said. &quot;Sometimes innocent people are at the same place as suspected criminals.”&lt;/i&gt;

Not if they&#039;re already in custody, you dumb shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the police raid, you gotta wonder, when something like this happens, how these guys actually even managed to get a paying job.  It&#8217;s not bad enough when they screw up a raid, but the explanation they give after the fact is usually incredibly lame.  In fact, in order to give such a dumb ass comment, they must think everyone on the planet is as stupid as they are.  </p>
<p><i>&#8220;We try to make sure everything is as painless as possible,” Woodward said. &#8220;Sometimes innocent people are at the same place as suspected criminals.”</i></p>
<p>Not if they&#8217;re already in custody, you dumb shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/31/morning-links-168/comment-page-1/#comment-257333</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! The Onion report is hilarious!

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/dna_evidence_frees_black_man?utm_source=a-section

LOL! Look at the text on the screen... &quot;Tracks led to a cave where Marshal (The black man) may have spent winters&quot;

And of course, they won&#039;t rest until they &quot;...find the black man who did this!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! The Onion report is hilarious!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/dna_evidence_frees_black_man?utm_source=a-section" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/content/video/dna_evidence_frees_black_man?utm_source=a-section</a></p>
<p>LOL! Look at the text on the screen&#8230; &#8220;Tracks led to a cave where Marshal (The black man) may have spent winters&#8221;</p>
<p>And of course, they won&#8217;t rest until they &#8220;&#8230;find the black man who did this!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I was a little loose in the use of the term &#039;circumstantial evidence.&#039;

However, that simply means &#039;direct evidence&#039; as you put it, almost never exists. A guy confessing ON THE STAND is direct evidence of nothing other than he is willing to confess on the stand.

Just because the Judicial System considers that &#039;direct evidence&#039; doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s right.

If I take the stand, and for whatever reason... testify that I shot Kennedy from the Grassy Knoll... what is that &#039;direct evidence&#039; of? It&#039;s CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence that I&#039;m lying. But the only thing that it directly proves is I&#039;m willing to confess to that on the stand.

Further, how many confessions are &#039;on the stand&#039;?

My point is the mechanics of confession should be to produce investigation that then produces evidence. That evidence would technically be circumstantial... but it would be PHYSICAL evidence, like a bloody knife with finger prints on it.

I apologize if my use of terms may be in error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I was a little loose in the use of the term &#8216;circumstantial evidence.&#8217;</p>
<p>However, that simply means &#8216;direct evidence&#8217; as you put it, almost never exists. A guy confessing ON THE STAND is direct evidence of nothing other than he is willing to confess on the stand.</p>
<p>Just because the Judicial System considers that &#8216;direct evidence&#8217; doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>If I take the stand, and for whatever reason&#8230; testify that I shot Kennedy from the Grassy Knoll&#8230; what is that &#8216;direct evidence&#8217; of? It&#8217;s CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence that I&#8217;m lying. But the only thing that it directly proves is I&#8217;m willing to confess to that on the stand.</p>
<p>Further, how many confessions are &#8216;on the stand&#8217;?</p>
<p>My point is the mechanics of confession should be to produce investigation that then produces evidence. That evidence would technically be circumstantial&#8230; but it would be PHYSICAL evidence, like a bloody knife with finger prints on it.</p>
<p>I apologize if my use of terms may be in error.</p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian @8 &quot;Circumstantial evidence is a collection of facts&quot;

the problem is some evidence is presented as fact, when it is not. A jury is assigned to decide the weight of the evidence even if it is not actually fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian @8 &#8220;Circumstantial evidence is a collection of facts&#8221;</p>
<p>the problem is some evidence is presented as fact, when it is not. A jury is assigned to decide the weight of the evidence even if it is not actually fact.</p>
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		<title>By: jpok</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT, but has anyone seen the onion&#039;s news story today?  It touches a subject near to the agitators&#039; hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, but has anyone seen the onion&#8217;s news story today?  It touches a subject near to the agitators&#8217; hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you have the IQ of a monkey please don’t buy lawn darts.&quot;

So if you have a really high IQ, you cannot buy jarts?  


I fully support a Debtor&#039;s Prison providing we start with the biggest debtors first.  Why is Congress looking at their shoes?  What?  $10 Trillion?!?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you have the IQ of a monkey please don’t buy lawn darts.&#8221;</p>
<p>So if you have a really high IQ, you cannot buy jarts?  </p>
<p>I fully support a Debtor&#8217;s Prison providing we start with the biggest debtors first.  Why is Congress looking at their shoes?  What?  $10 Trillion?!?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: John Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modern courts do not treat circumstantial evidence any differently than direct evidence.  For quite a long time some courts did treat such evidence differently, applying the &quot;reasonable hypothesis&quot; test to circumstantial evidence.  See Easlick v. State, 2004 OK CR 21.

@Bob (#14):  I don&#039;t think you understand circumstantial evidence.  A confession on the witness stand would be direct evidence.  An eye-witness&#039;s testimony that he saw the defendant stab the victim would be direct evidence.  A bloody knife with the defendant&#039;s fingerprints on it, found next to (or even in) the body of a murder victim is circumstantial evidence of the defendant&#039;s identity as the killer, no matter how damning it may be.  Most reliable evidence is circumstantial evidence (which is one reason courts now look at circumstantial evidence on the same footing as direct evidence).  Direct evidence, especially in criminal cases, is rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern courts do not treat circumstantial evidence any differently than direct evidence.  For quite a long time some courts did treat such evidence differently, applying the &#8220;reasonable hypothesis&#8221; test to circumstantial evidence.  See Easlick v. State, 2004 OK CR 21.</p>
<p>@Bob (#14):  I don&#8217;t think you understand circumstantial evidence.  A confession on the witness stand would be direct evidence.  An eye-witness&#8217;s testimony that he saw the defendant stab the victim would be direct evidence.  A bloody knife with the defendant&#8217;s fingerprints on it, found next to (or even in) the body of a murder victim is circumstantial evidence of the defendant&#8217;s identity as the killer, no matter how damning it may be.  Most reliable evidence is circumstantial evidence (which is one reason courts now look at circumstantial evidence on the same footing as direct evidence).  Direct evidence, especially in criminal cases, is rare.</p>
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