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		<title>By: supercat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/16/the-monday-morning-poll-2/comment-page-1/#comment-252319</link>
		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[//I love my guns as much as the next guy, but just try using your second amenedment right to stop an agent of the state from taking your 1st, 3rd, 4th, etc, rights and see what happens.//

If you think government abuse of illegitimate no-knock raid tactics is bad today, imagine if the robbers didn&#039;t have to fear being shot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//I love my guns as much as the next guy, but just try using your second amenedment right to stop an agent of the state from taking your 1st, 3rd, 4th, etc, rights and see what happens.//</p>
<p>If you think government abuse of illegitimate no-knock raid tactics is bad today, imagine if the robbers didn&#8217;t have to fear being shot.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[//Nobody mentioned the 3rd amendment?//

Given that the troops would be quartered in a home not only to save the cost of housing them, but also to have them spy on the other occupants, I think a lot of wiretap provisions are designed to undermine the intention of the Third Amendment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//Nobody mentioned the 3rd amendment?//</p>
<p>Given that the troops would be quartered in a home not only to save the cost of housing them, but also to have them spy on the other occupants, I think a lot of wiretap provisions are designed to undermine the intention of the Third Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/16/the-monday-morning-poll-2/comment-page-1/#comment-252240</link>
		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Courts are generally unwilling to give any real meaning to the ninth amendment; they usually just use it to show that the framers allowed for new liberties to be created, and then go onto use other amendments to deal with the liberty at hand.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve seen nothing to suggest that the Ninth Amendment was ever intended to allow courts to &quot;create&quot; liberties, nor to allow the government the power to &quot;protect&quot; the liberties thus created.  To allow the government unchecked power to invent and &quot;protect&quot; so-called &quot;liberties&quot; would be to allow it unchecked power, period.  If one wants to ban some form of activity, one need merely recognize others&#039; &quot;right&quot; not be have such activity practiced anywhere near them.  Voila--the government can ban practically anything by inventing a &quot;right&quot;, even if it wouldn&#039;t have any other legitimate basis for such a ban.

I find it hard to regard the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments as providing much protection for people&#039;s real rights, given that they are routinely ignored in the cases where they should be applied.  Of course, if the government taught people to honor the Supremacy Clause, and recognize that government agents who violate the Constitution are not acting in the line of duty, and have no legitimate authority, then such amendments might mean something, but without that they&#039;re just decoration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Courts are generally unwilling to give any real meaning to the ninth amendment; they usually just use it to show that the framers allowed for new liberties to be created, and then go onto use other amendments to deal with the liberty at hand.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen nothing to suggest that the Ninth Amendment was ever intended to allow courts to &#8220;create&#8221; liberties, nor to allow the government the power to &#8220;protect&#8221; the liberties thus created.  To allow the government unchecked power to invent and &#8220;protect&#8221; so-called &#8220;liberties&#8221; would be to allow it unchecked power, period.  If one wants to ban some form of activity, one need merely recognize others&#8217; &#8220;right&#8221; not be have such activity practiced anywhere near them.  Voila&#8211;the government can ban practically anything by inventing a &#8220;right&#8221;, even if it wouldn&#8217;t have any other legitimate basis for such a ban.</p>
<p>I find it hard to regard the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments as providing much protection for people&#8217;s real rights, given that they are routinely ignored in the cases where they should be applied.  Of course, if the government taught people to honor the Supremacy Clause, and recognize that government agents who violate the Constitution are not acting in the line of duty, and have no legitimate authority, then such amendments might mean something, but without that they&#8217;re just decoration.</p>
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		<title>By: CTD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radley, Matt&#039;s right. You missed the most important one of all.

2nd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley, Matt&#8217;s right. You missed the most important one of all.</p>
<p>2nd.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of the options permitted, the tenth amendment is the logical choice.  Of the 9th, 10th, and 14th only the 10th is  currently nullified.

And the tenth amendment is more than just &#039;federalism&#039;, it is the crucial statement of delegated powers.  The fantastic reach of the Federal government would be a fraction of itself today were the 10th amendment enforced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the options permitted, the tenth amendment is the logical choice.  Of the 9th, 10th, and 14th only the 10th is  currently nullified.</p>
<p>And the tenth amendment is more than just &#8216;federalism&#8217;, it is the crucial statement of delegated powers.  The fantastic reach of the Federal government would be a fraction of itself today were the 10th amendment enforced.</p>
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		<title>By: KBCraig</title>
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		<dc:creator>KBCraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I voted for 9th &amp; 14th together, I wanted to vote for a repeal of the 17th.

Direct election of senators destroyed the entire reasoning behind a bicameral legislature: that the senate represent the states, not the voters.

Now, instead of a House and Senate arguing to serve their constituents, we have both bodies pandering to the average Joe on the street.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I voted for 9th &amp; 14th together, I wanted to vote for a repeal of the 17th.</p>
<p>Direct election of senators destroyed the entire reasoning behind a bicameral legislature: that the senate represent the states, not the voters.</p>
<p>Now, instead of a House and Senate arguing to serve their constituents, we have both bodies pandering to the average Joe on the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Louisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;The people retain the full range of rights and freedoms save for those necessary to allow the government to function with the boundaries set forth by the Constitution.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

What rights and freedoms must we give up so that the State may better function (rule over us)? I&#039;ve never heard of nor seen such a list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The people retain the full range of rights and freedoms save for those necessary to allow the government to function with the boundaries set forth by the Constitution.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>What rights and freedoms must we give up so that the State may better function (rule over us)? I&#8217;ve never heard of nor seen such a list.</p>
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		<title>By: GU</title>
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		<dc:creator>GU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[9th &amp; 14th: see Randy Barnett&#039;s &quot;Restoring the Lost Constitution&quot; for an excellent exploration of the topic.

Federalism really is important for liberty though; the ability to &quot;vote with your feet&quot; and move to a state that better respects individual freedom (horizontal competition between the states) could really promote liberty.

However, we won&#039;t have meaningful federalism until:

1. The 17th Amendment is repealed.
2. The Tenth Amendment is interpreted as preventing more than &quot;commandeering&quot;
3. A national government of enumerated powers, as required by Art. I § 8 is taken seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9th &amp; 14th: see Randy Barnett&#8217;s &#8220;Restoring the Lost Constitution&#8221; for an excellent exploration of the topic.</p>
<p>Federalism really is important for liberty though; the ability to &#8220;vote with your feet&#8221; and move to a state that better respects individual freedom (horizontal competition between the states) could really promote liberty.</p>
<p>However, we won&#8217;t have meaningful federalism until:</p>
<p>1. The 17th Amendment is repealed.<br />
2. The Tenth Amendment is interpreted as preventing more than &#8220;commandeering&#8221;<br />
3. A national government of enumerated powers, as required by Art. I § 8 is taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: vinnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry but it IS the second and the first.  If police EXPECT an armed response from subjects AND neighbors they will find better methods of arrest (like finding out when they can pick up suspects peaceably, instead of armed entry.  Think Cory May and Ryan Fredricks.) 

  The Sword of Damocles hangs heavy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but it IS the second and the first.  If police EXPECT an armed response from subjects AND neighbors they will find better methods of arrest (like finding out when they can pick up suspects peaceably, instead of armed entry.  Think Cory May and Ryan Fredricks.) </p>
<p>  The Sword of Damocles hangs heavy</p>
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		<title>By: Nick T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I vote for 14th.  

&quot;nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.&quot;

If you interpret the words &quot;liberty&quot; and &quot;property&quot; as expansively as possible, AND interpret Due Process as onerously for the government as possible, you would have a amazingly free society.  (Of course, this clause applies to the state, but the 5th Amendment applies similarly to the Fed.) 

For example, liberty/property shold include the right to, say, have live enertainment at your bar without a &quot;permit&quot; from your local government, or to eat as much frickin&#039; salt on our meal as you want. Imagine a constitutional right to such things.  Hot to death!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for 14th.  </p>
<p>&#8220;nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you interpret the words &#8220;liberty&#8221; and &#8220;property&#8221; as expansively as possible, AND interpret Due Process as onerously for the government as possible, you would have a amazingly free society.  (Of course, this clause applies to the state, but the 5th Amendment applies similarly to the Fed.) </p>
<p>For example, liberty/property shold include the right to, say, have live enertainment at your bar without a &#8220;permit&#8221; from your local government, or to eat as much frickin&#8217; salt on our meal as you want. Imagine a constitutional right to such things.  Hot to death!</p>
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		<title>By: ShelbyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShelbyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;they usually just use it to show that the framers allowed for new liberties to be created, and then go onto use other amendments to deal with the liberty at hand.&quot;

They don&#039;t use it to show that new liberties can be created, they use the to show that the bill of rights wasn&#039;t an exaustive list of then-existing liberties]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they usually just use it to show that the framers allowed for new liberties to be created, and then go onto use other amendments to deal with the liberty at hand.&#8221;</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t use it to show that new liberties can be created, they use the to show that the bill of rights wasn&#8217;t an exaustive list of then-existing liberties</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the answers, I agree with the 9th and 14th together, but others are just as important, if not more important.  Courts are generally unwilling to give any real meaning to the ninth amendment; they usually  just use it to show that the framers allowed for new liberties to be created, and then go onto use other amendments to deal with the liberty at hand.  With that, I&#039;d have to go with a Griswold-like line-of-reasoning, even though that decision represents judicial discretion at its finest.  The First Amendment sets up the basics for liberties: you can say, think, write whatever you want (as long as its not obscene!) and gives us freedom to practice religion and not have the government tell us what to do with religion.  The Fourth is crucial to liberty because it *should* keep the government out of your home. The Fifth is crucial because it protects you against an overzealous criminal justice system that will go to great lengths to put you behind bars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the answers, I agree with the 9th and 14th together, but others are just as important, if not more important.  Courts are generally unwilling to give any real meaning to the ninth amendment; they usually  just use it to show that the framers allowed for new liberties to be created, and then go onto use other amendments to deal with the liberty at hand.  With that, I&#8217;d have to go with a Griswold-like line-of-reasoning, even though that decision represents judicial discretion at its finest.  The First Amendment sets up the basics for liberties: you can say, think, write whatever you want (as long as its not obscene!) and gives us freedom to practice religion and not have the government tell us what to do with religion.  The Fourth is crucial to liberty because it *should* keep the government out of your home. The Fifth is crucial because it protects you against an overzealous criminal justice system that will go to great lengths to put you behind bars.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The amendment that abolished the Constitution and all other forms of forceful government.

I don&#039;t see that on your list.

I&#039;m taking my ball and going home now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amendment that abolished the Constitution and all other forms of forceful government.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that on your list.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m taking my ball and going home now.</p>
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		<title>By: Coises</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Which amendment to the Constitution, if interpreted properly, would most promote liberty?”

Though I am not a Christian, this reminds me of the question posed to Jesus, “Which is the greatest commandment?” He is said to have answered with two statements, neither of which is to be found among the Ten Commandments themselves: “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (Matthew 22:34-40, NRSV) He knew focusing on the rules to be a divisive and destructive practice, unless one first takes to heart the motivating spirit behind those rules.

Though the Constitution of the United States is “the supreme Law of the Land,” there is a far simpler and more fundamental passage in the most famous of our founding documents upon which everything in the Constitution rests:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Were our government and our people, including our courts and juries, to take this as a serious statement of intent — and not merely a historical justification for revolting against the previous government — greater liberty would follow more surely than from any law or amendment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Which amendment to the Constitution, if interpreted properly, would most promote liberty?”</p>
<p>Though I am not a Christian, this reminds me of the question posed to Jesus, “Which is the greatest commandment?” He is said to have answered with two statements, neither of which is to be found among the Ten Commandments themselves: “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (Matthew 22:34-40, NRSV) He knew focusing on the rules to be a divisive and destructive practice, unless one first takes to heart the motivating spirit behind those rules.</p>
<p>Though the Constitution of the United States is “the supreme Law of the Land,” there is a far simpler and more fundamental passage in the most famous of our founding documents upon which everything in the Constitution rests:</p>
<p>“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”</p>
<p>Were our government and our people, including our courts and juries, to take this as a serious statement of intent — and not merely a historical justification for revolting against the previous government — greater liberty would follow more surely than from any law or amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[None of the above. If interpreted correctly, the 9th, 4th, 1st and 2nd together would do the trick.

In fact, I&#039;ve often said that if I could rewrite the constitution on a blank sheet of paper, the first four articles would be the text of those four amendments in the order listed. I would rewrite the right to keep and bear arms to be much less ambiguous sounding, though. And article 5 would set forth criminal penalties for government agents who violate the first four. 

The tenth amendment is good, but only in the context of the greater evil of federal leviathan vs. the little leviathans on the state and local levels. Given the choice between cancers, sure I prefer the one that&#039;s less painful, and more easily treated. But it&#039;s still cancer.

The 14th amendment is also good, but again only in context. It tells the government that the rights afforded citizens can&#039;t be denied based on arbitrary reasons like skin color and such. But it&#039;s too focused on the privileges coming from government. Rights don&#039;t come from government in the first place. If the 9th is read correctly, you never need the 14th.

You don&#039;t get liberty unless the focus is on the primacy of individual rights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the above. If interpreted correctly, the 9th, 4th, 1st and 2nd together would do the trick.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;ve often said that if I could rewrite the constitution on a blank sheet of paper, the first four articles would be the text of those four amendments in the order listed. I would rewrite the right to keep and bear arms to be much less ambiguous sounding, though. And article 5 would set forth criminal penalties for government agents who violate the first four. </p>
<p>The tenth amendment is good, but only in the context of the greater evil of federal leviathan vs. the little leviathans on the state and local levels. Given the choice between cancers, sure I prefer the one that&#8217;s less painful, and more easily treated. But it&#8217;s still cancer.</p>
<p>The 14th amendment is also good, but again only in context. It tells the government that the rights afforded citizens can&#8217;t be denied based on arbitrary reasons like skin color and such. But it&#8217;s too focused on the privileges coming from government. Rights don&#8217;t come from government in the first place. If the 9th is read correctly, you never need the 14th.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t get liberty unless the focus is on the primacy of individual rights.</p>
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		<title>By: C L</title>
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		<dc:creator>C L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody mentioned the 3rd amendment?

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/third_amendment_rights_group

Imagine if you had to house military personnel in peacetime?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody mentioned the 3rd amendment?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/third_amendment_rights_group" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/content/news/third_amendment_rights_group</a></p>
<p>Imagine if you had to house military personnel in peacetime?</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/16/the-monday-morning-poll-2/comment-page-1/#comment-251794</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe that the 2nd Amendment preserves liberty in anyway anymore.  I love my guns as much as the next guy, but just try using your second amenedment right to stop an agent of the state from taking your 1st, 3rd, 4th, etc, rights and see what happens.  You will not maintain or gain freedom.  If there was ever a day when your right to bear arms would preserve your liberty and protect you from government, it has long since passed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe that the 2nd Amendment preserves liberty in anyway anymore.  I love my guns as much as the next guy, but just try using your second amenedment right to stop an agent of the state from taking your 1st, 3rd, 4th, etc, rights and see what happens.  You will not maintain or gain freedom.  If there was ever a day when your right to bear arms would preserve your liberty and protect you from government, it has long since passed.</p>
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		<title>By: pegr</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/16/the-monday-morning-poll-2/comment-page-1/#comment-251788</link>
		<dc:creator>pegr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt got it right.  The 2nd is the most important to ensure liberty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt got it right.  The 2nd is the most important to ensure liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: ShelbyC</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/16/the-monday-morning-poll-2/comment-page-1/#comment-251779</link>
		<dc:creator>ShelbyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh, anybody that doesn&#039;t choose the 13th needs their head examined :-&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, anybody that doesn&#8217;t choose the 13th needs their head examined :-&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Monnier</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/16/the-monday-morning-poll-2/comment-page-1/#comment-251750</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Monnier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the First Amendment is the ultimate liberty-preserving amendment (as practically interpreted, at least).  As long as there&#039;s freedom of speech/thought, everything else is possible.  It&#039;s like the last line of defense against tyranny.

That said, I wish the 9th and 2nd Amendments were swapped.  It&#039;s at least the second-most important of the original ten, but somehow it wound up buried at #9.  In fact, maybe the 9th should have been the 1st, as it would have maybe been interpreted as having laid down all the ground rules for the subsequent amendments.  Slots #6-9 are the easiest to ignore in a list of 10.

In any case, I voted for 9th and 14th.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the First Amendment is the ultimate liberty-preserving amendment (as practically interpreted, at least).  As long as there&#8217;s freedom of speech/thought, everything else is possible.  It&#8217;s like the last line of defense against tyranny.</p>
<p>That said, I wish the 9th and 2nd Amendments were swapped.  It&#8217;s at least the second-most important of the original ten, but somehow it wound up buried at #9.  In fact, maybe the 9th should have been the 1st, as it would have maybe been interpreted as having laid down all the ground rules for the subsequent amendments.  Slots #6-9 are the easiest to ignore in a list of 10.</p>
<p>In any case, I voted for 9th and 14th.</p>
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