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	<title>Comments on: Pat Buchanan on the Drug War</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: eber hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>eber hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 03:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As NONE of those in the US actually exploiting 
the cheap illegal labor are being stung ---we
are begining to suspect the entire issue is being
handled, in part, as a diversionary measure.

FACT IS &#039;Populist/Isolationist&#039; Pat is very much the
puppet front man for entrenched biz-nihilists who
are working that other awesome source of cheap
labor ---ACROSS the Pacific -in history&#039;s --MOST--
awesomely genocidal regime -bar none! 
( 70 million exterminated in &#039;peacetime&#039; decades
AFTER WWII -unoutted, unmentioned, unanswered
for -FACT! )

Further, it&#039;s not much of a stretch to realize that
Buchanan is, very much, acting as cover man and
apologist for the ascending Red Chinese card.

NOTICE, he&#039;s forever tut-tutting the gargantuan
moral implications of it all --and scandalously
downsizes known death tolls every chance he gets.
---Check it out!

He&#039;s just the other face of the coin of the shamelessly
self-serving PC Hollywood revisionist retreading of
done-to-death WWII themes ---on this, the once again
&#039;mysteriously overlooked&#039; 60th Anniversary of the 
staggeringly relevant KOREAN WAR.

And if you&#039;re not pewking yet --notice further that
the other &#039;daringly ourspoken conservatives&#039; 
-Ann Coulter and Michael Savage are also blindsiding
us on these matters.  Coulter has NEVER even mentioned
the role of Red China suck-up cheap credit and enabling
in any of her diatribes.  

Savage, when going off on  immigration 
&quot;---and bring our troops home from Korea!
---get &#039;em on our southern border! --NOW!&quot;
He has also been caught dramatically downsizing
the death toll of &#039;peacetime&#039; social and political
genocide by ---10 million!

-Get it?

&quot;The Americans came just like whores, all dressed up
and knocking at our back door---&quot;
-Chou En Lai
NIXON / MAO  bestseller

AT that time, BOTH Taiwan and South Korea were
pre-emptively tossed on the table. -FACT-

---BUCHANAN was there...

-CASE CLOSED-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As NONE of those in the US actually exploiting<br />
the cheap illegal labor are being stung &#8212;we<br />
are begining to suspect the entire issue is being<br />
handled, in part, as a diversionary measure.</p>
<p>FACT IS &#8216;Populist/Isolationist&#8217; Pat is very much the<br />
puppet front man for entrenched biz-nihilists who<br />
are working that other awesome source of cheap<br />
labor &#8212;ACROSS the Pacific -in history&#8217;s &#8211;MOST&#8211;<br />
awesomely genocidal regime -bar none!<br />
( 70 million exterminated in &#8216;peacetime&#8217; decades<br />
AFTER WWII -unoutted, unmentioned, unanswered<br />
for -FACT! )</p>
<p>Further, it&#8217;s not much of a stretch to realize that<br />
Buchanan is, very much, acting as cover man and<br />
apologist for the ascending Red Chinese card.</p>
<p>NOTICE, he&#8217;s forever tut-tutting the gargantuan<br />
moral implications of it all &#8211;and scandalously<br />
downsizes known death tolls every chance he gets.<br />
&#8212;Check it out!</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just the other face of the coin of the shamelessly<br />
self-serving PC Hollywood revisionist retreading of<br />
done-to-death WWII themes &#8212;on this, the once again<br />
&#8216;mysteriously overlooked&#8217; 60th Anniversary of the<br />
staggeringly relevant KOREAN WAR.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re not pewking yet &#8211;notice further that<br />
the other &#8216;daringly ourspoken conservatives&#8217;<br />
-Ann Coulter and Michael Savage are also blindsiding<br />
us on these matters.  Coulter has NEVER even mentioned<br />
the role of Red China suck-up cheap credit and enabling<br />
in any of her diatribes.  </p>
<p>Savage, when going off on  immigration<br />
&#8220;&#8212;and bring our troops home from Korea!<br />
&#8212;get &#8216;em on our southern border! &#8211;NOW!&#8221;<br />
He has also been caught dramatically downsizing<br />
the death toll of &#8216;peacetime&#8217; social and political<br />
genocide by &#8212;10 million!</p>
<p>-Get it?</p>
<p>&#8220;The Americans came just like whores, all dressed up<br />
and knocking at our back door&#8212;&#8221;<br />
-Chou En Lai<br />
NIXON / MAO  bestseller</p>
<p>AT that time, BOTH Taiwan and South Korea were<br />
pre-emptively tossed on the table. -FACT-</p>
<p>&#8212;BUCHANAN was there&#8230;</p>
<p>-CASE CLOSED-</p>
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		<title>By: The Economist: Legalization Is The Answer &#124; Prose Before Hos</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/08/pat-buchanan-on-the-drug-war/comment-page-1/#comment-249661</link>
		<dc:creator>The Economist: Legalization Is The Answer &#124; Prose Before Hos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now, The Economist: legalization &#8220;least bad&#8221; way to deal with failed drug prohibition, Pat Buchanan on the Drug War, and As Drug War Rages, AZ AG Talks Gun Control and the Benefits of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my daughter went down to &quot;unofficial&quot; at U of I-Champaign and the most popular T-shirt was Michael Phelps doing a bong and something about keepin it green. Don&#039;t know the exact quote. Change will come because the young replace the old eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my daughter went down to &#8220;unofficial&#8221; at U of I-Champaign and the most popular T-shirt was Michael Phelps doing a bong and something about keepin it green. Don&#8217;t know the exact quote. Change will come because the young replace the old eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Not something I expected to see from Pat Buchanan, even in as half-hearted a concession as this. One(of many) thing he missed(as usual) though, the Maoist way is already being exercised because of Americans, more precisely American Government. Think of all the killings in Mexico by in the battles between law enforcement and smugglers. I doubt Mao&#039;s users just said, &quot;Make it quick,&quot; after all.

I guess it&#039;s all you can expect from someone like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Not something I expected to see from Pat Buchanan, even in as half-hearted a concession as this. One(of many) thing he missed(as usual) though, the Maoist way is already being exercised because of Americans, more precisely American Government. Think of all the killings in Mexico by in the battles between law enforcement and smugglers. I doubt Mao&#8217;s users just said, &#8220;Make it quick,&#8221; after all.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s all you can expect from someone like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Rweethere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rweethere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hallelujah!    Pat Buchanan has joined Ron Paul and his supporters who &quot;got it&quot; years ago.  RP, a medical doctor, has been proposing the legalization of drugs for years!!!  Has anyone noticed that RP&#039;s ideas are getting more and more play in the media????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallelujah!    Pat Buchanan has joined Ron Paul and his supporters who &#8220;got it&#8221; years ago.  RP, a medical doctor, has been proposing the legalization of drugs for years!!!  Has anyone noticed that RP&#8217;s ideas are getting more and more play in the media????</p>
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		<title>By: nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the recent and increasing number of articles extolling the benefits of &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;RE&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;legalization (they weren&#039;t always illegal, but some people think the laws were around in Washington&#039;s and Jefferson&#039;s  time)  are not out of any real sea change in public opinion, as most people seemed to be in agreement the laws with regards to cannabis were as wrong-headed as they come. But that didn&#039;t prevent their acquiescence to that wrong-headed policy, even when it meant that, (thanks to what i call  &#039;Souder&#039;s Law&#039;), a drug conviction might scuttle their kid&#039;s chances for a school loan for college.

No, it&#039;s more that we just cannot afford the DrugWar anymore. It was paid for, like a lot of government programs, with &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;borrowed money&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, as the tax base was always too small to support the hugely bloated Fed Gub&#039;mint. people are realizing that we&#039;ve been living beyond our means governmentally for a long time now, and it&#039;s time to tighten belts. 

As things get worse, there will be more demands to fund programs like unemployment insurance, and Joe Sixpack, staring at a pink slip, isn&#039;t going to want to be told the money he needs is being spent by pontificating (and lying) fat-cat DrugWarrior bureaucrats who say they want to protect Joe&#039;s kids from drugs, when Joe is more worried about where they&#039;ll live and what they&#039;ll eat.

And as the realization that the DrugWar is sucking funding away from those &#039;life-support&#039; programs, and Joe starts voicing his anger at that, the pols will have the cover they need to take on the &#039;sacred cow&#039; of the DrugWar. Then, it&#039;ll be all over but for the shouting. &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/search/print_518872.html&gt;&lt;a href=Because we already have a precedent.for relegalization.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Sweet reason will not prevail in the ending of drug prohibition. In the end, the price tag of drug prohibition will finally cause the necessary &#039;sticker shock&#039; to jolt people out of their complacency. And it can&#039;t come soon enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the recent and increasing number of articles extolling the benefits of <i><b>RE</b></i>legalization (they weren&#8217;t always illegal, but some people think the laws were around in Washington&#8217;s and Jefferson&#8217;s  time)  are not out of any real sea change in public opinion, as most people seemed to be in agreement the laws with regards to cannabis were as wrong-headed as they come. But that didn&#8217;t prevent their acquiescence to that wrong-headed policy, even when it meant that, (thanks to what i call  &#8216;Souder&#8217;s Law&#8217;), a drug conviction might scuttle their kid&#8217;s chances for a school loan for college.</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s more that we just cannot afford the DrugWar anymore. It was paid for, like a lot of government programs, with <i><b>borrowed money</b></i>, as the tax base was always too small to support the hugely bloated Fed Gub&#8217;mint. people are realizing that we&#8217;ve been living beyond our means governmentally for a long time now, and it&#8217;s time to tighten belts. </p>
<p>As things get worse, there will be more demands to fund programs like unemployment insurance, and Joe Sixpack, staring at a pink slip, isn&#8217;t going to want to be told the money he needs is being spent by pontificating (and lying) fat-cat DrugWarrior bureaucrats who say they want to protect Joe&#8217;s kids from drugs, when Joe is more worried about where they&#8217;ll live and what they&#8217;ll eat.</p>
<p>And as the realization that the DrugWar is sucking funding away from those &#8216;life-support&#8217; programs, and Joe starts voicing his anger at that, the pols will have the cover they need to take on the &#8216;sacred cow&#8217; of the DrugWar. Then, it&#8217;ll be all over but for the shouting. <i><b><a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/search/print_518872.html&gt;&lt;a" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/search/print_518872.html&gt;&lt;a</a> href=Because we already have a precedent.for relegalization.</b></i></p>
<p>Sweet reason will not prevail in the ending of drug prohibition. In the end, the price tag of drug prohibition will finally cause the necessary &#8216;sticker shock&#8217; to jolt people out of their complacency. And it can&#8217;t come soon enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Howlin' Hobbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howlin' Hobbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Buchanan calling (even obliquely) for legalization?

Could somebody please check hell for icecaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Buchanan calling (even obliquely) for legalization?</p>
<p>Could somebody please check hell for icecaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Red Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mao Zedong and John Walters had a lot in common. Now Milton and Pat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mao Zedong and John Walters had a lot in common. Now Milton and Pat?</p>
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		<title>By: MassHole</title>
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		<dc:creator>MassHole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in a very conservative and well educated atmosphere.  Even guys who have never smoked weed and vote straight republican are telling me it should be legalized, especially for the ill.  I think the bottom line is that more and more people are seeing through the governments propaganda.  Once you realize your professional and social peers do or did use mj responsibly, it&#039;s hard to continue the &quot;this is your brain on drugs&quot; line of thought.  It&#039;s gotta beg the question when your boss or co-worker with the same position is/was the smoker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in a very conservative and well educated atmosphere.  Even guys who have never smoked weed and vote straight republican are telling me it should be legalized, especially for the ill.  I think the bottom line is that more and more people are seeing through the governments propaganda.  Once you realize your professional and social peers do or did use mj responsibly, it&#8217;s hard to continue the &#8220;this is your brain on drugs&#8221; line of thought.  It&#8217;s gotta beg the question when your boss or co-worker with the same position is/was the smoker.</p>
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		<title>By: troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No one likes taxes, and obviously over taxation leads to black markets….&quot;

I think the point is that there are degrees of black market.  Right now, illegality has created a powerful, militaristic, well armed black market for drugs. 

The black market for cigarettes used to be almost nothing.  When I was a kid, the taxes on cigarettes were minimal.  Now they are getting so high that illegal drugs seem cheaper.  But as the taxes rise, it creates a motive for people to seek alternate, cheaper means to get their fix.

 So there is no doubt that the function of the black market correlates with how high the taxes are.  Why do I say that?....
   Because I am a lazy fuck.  I am not going to search out a black market and the potential law enforcement risk that it portends when I can go down to the corner store and get a pack in a few minutes.  Finding a non-taxed dealer, whether it is for cigs or pot is a pain in the ass.
   But I am only so lazy.  If the taxes get so high, I will get off my ass and investigate alternatives.

  Would there still be cartels?  Sure.  But the law of supply and demand works with them to.  If no one is demanding their products because people are seeking legal versions, the cartels are going to starve.  There won&#039;t be a big pie to fight over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No one likes taxes, and obviously over taxation leads to black markets….&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the point is that there are degrees of black market.  Right now, illegality has created a powerful, militaristic, well armed black market for drugs. </p>
<p>The black market for cigarettes used to be almost nothing.  When I was a kid, the taxes on cigarettes were minimal.  Now they are getting so high that illegal drugs seem cheaper.  But as the taxes rise, it creates a motive for people to seek alternate, cheaper means to get their fix.</p>
<p> So there is no doubt that the function of the black market correlates with how high the taxes are.  Why do I say that?&#8230;.<br />
   Because I am a lazy fuck.  I am not going to search out a black market and the potential law enforcement risk that it portends when I can go down to the corner store and get a pack in a few minutes.  Finding a non-taxed dealer, whether it is for cigs or pot is a pain in the ass.<br />
   But I am only so lazy.  If the taxes get so high, I will get off my ass and investigate alternatives.</p>
<p>  Would there still be cartels?  Sure.  But the law of supply and demand works with them to.  If no one is demanding their products because people are seeking legal versions, the cartels are going to starve.  There won&#8217;t be a big pie to fight over.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there&#039;s a different feeling out there.  For those of you who didn&#039;t catch it, read this recent WSJ op-ed by three former heads of Latin American countries (Brazil, Mexico, Colombia): http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123535114271444981.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there&#8217;s a different feeling out there.  For those of you who didn&#8217;t catch it, read this recent WSJ op-ed by three former heads of Latin American countries (Brazil, Mexico, Colombia): <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123535114271444981.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123535114271444981.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 &lt;i&gt;&quot;The only way drugs get decriminalized in America is if government gets to double in size and tax you another 20% because of it. So…yes, there’s a good chance drugs get decriminalized.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

As the situation is currently with the war on drugs, the government can pretty much do anything it want&#039;s so long as the justification is &quot;DRUGS!&quot; How much has law enforcement powers been expanded because of the &quot;war on drugs&quot;, how much has government intruded into our lives? How much of our freedom has already been sacrificed. How much money is currently wasted by taxpayers to finance all this? [[South America/Columbia, DEA raids, granny killing swat teams, all those little county police forces on steroids? etc.]] Seems a little ridiculous to think that government could become anymore intrusive given the current situation. Seems to me that a 20% tax on retail drugs would be a whole lot cheaper than the current debacle...especially if you factor in all the social ills and societal costs of prohibition. I&#039;d gladly take some bureaucrats sitting in a tax office over DEA, SWATs, ONDCP, Militarized police, ever expanding prisons, black market violence, and blah, blah, blah, ANYDAY! 

And besides, if drugs were legalized, who ever said that it wouldn&#039;t be within my right to grow a (tax-free) marijuana plant in my house for personal use, no body comes and taxes the tomatoes I grow in my garden!  Only difference would be that with drugs legalized I would no longer have to worry about the DEA banging down my door with assault rifles, shooting my pets, seizing my house and car, putting my kids into the foster system, serving a mandatory minimum or forced &quot;rehabilitation&quot;, fines, and a host of other bull---- that the government currently gets away with doing; all in the name of the &quot;drug war&quot;. 

No one likes taxes, and obviously over taxation leads to black markets....but, F--- Man! I&#039;d much rather take the bureaucrats in a tax office, (probably some suits from the Bureau of Tobacco, Alcohol, Narcotics, Marijuana and Firearms) over all of that DEA-assault rifle-pet killer-do more time than a murder-constitution shredding-BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 <i>&#8220;The only way drugs get decriminalized in America is if government gets to double in size and tax you another 20% because of it. So…yes, there’s a good chance drugs get decriminalized.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>As the situation is currently with the war on drugs, the government can pretty much do anything it want&#8217;s so long as the justification is &#8220;DRUGS!&#8221; How much has law enforcement powers been expanded because of the &#8220;war on drugs&#8221;, how much has government intruded into our lives? How much of our freedom has already been sacrificed. How much money is currently wasted by taxpayers to finance all this? [[South America/Columbia, DEA raids, granny killing swat teams, all those little county police forces on steroids? etc.]] Seems a little ridiculous to think that government could become anymore intrusive given the current situation. Seems to me that a 20% tax on retail drugs would be a whole lot cheaper than the current debacle&#8230;especially if you factor in all the social ills and societal costs of prohibition. I&#8217;d gladly take some bureaucrats sitting in a tax office over DEA, SWATs, ONDCP, Militarized police, ever expanding prisons, black market violence, and blah, blah, blah, ANYDAY! </p>
<p>And besides, if drugs were legalized, who ever said that it wouldn&#8217;t be within my right to grow a (tax-free) marijuana plant in my house for personal use, no body comes and taxes the tomatoes I grow in my garden!  Only difference would be that with drugs legalized I would no longer have to worry about the DEA banging down my door with assault rifles, shooting my pets, seizing my house and car, putting my kids into the foster system, serving a mandatory minimum or forced &#8220;rehabilitation&#8221;, fines, and a host of other bull&#8212;- that the government currently gets away with doing; all in the name of the &#8220;drug war&#8221;. </p>
<p>No one likes taxes, and obviously over taxation leads to black markets&#8230;.but, F&#8212; Man! I&#8217;d much rather take the bureaucrats in a tax office, (probably some suits from the Bureau of Tobacco, Alcohol, Narcotics, Marijuana and Firearms) over all of that DEA-assault rifle-pet killer-do more time than a murder-constitution shredding-BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Z.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis #12: &lt;i&gt;If we legalize marijuana, the cartels will still be smuggling in cocaine, meth, etc. So when you say that the violence will by lessened by legalizing drugs, do you mean all drugs or do you think just legalizing marijuana will lessen the cartels’ influence?&lt;/i&gt;

Even if we legalize &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; drugs, there will be some money to be made by smuggling (and/or fraud) to avoid taxes, as there is with any product that&#039;s taxed. People smuggle cigarettes, booze, and Canadian prescription drugs. At best we can reduce the profit in smuggling to the point that some people say &quot;You know, this isn&#039;t worth getting shot,&quot; and get out of the business or stop shooting each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis #12: <i>If we legalize marijuana, the cartels will still be smuggling in cocaine, meth, etc. So when you say that the violence will by lessened by legalizing drugs, do you mean all drugs or do you think just legalizing marijuana will lessen the cartels’ influence?</i></p>
<p>Even if we legalize <i>all</i> drugs, there will be some money to be made by smuggling (and/or fraud) to avoid taxes, as there is with any product that&#8217;s taxed. People smuggle cigarettes, booze, and Canadian prescription drugs. At best we can reduce the profit in smuggling to the point that some people say &#8220;You know, this isn&#8217;t worth getting shot,&#8221; and get out of the business or stop shooting each other.</p>
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		<title>By: KBCraig</title>
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		<dc:creator>KBCraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30 years ago my father said the same thing: you can solve the drug &quot;problem&quot; either by legalizing, or by using the Chinese model of summary execution for simple possession. Nothing in between will work.

While Pat Buchanan has definitely does some moralizing in his time, I think too many people mistake him for Pat Robertson. Buchanan is far closer to Goldwater and Buckley than Robertson and Huckabee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30 years ago my father said the same thing: you can solve the drug &#8220;problem&#8221; either by legalizing, or by using the Chinese model of summary execution for simple possession. Nothing in between will work.</p>
<p>While Pat Buchanan has definitely does some moralizing in his time, I think too many people mistake him for Pat Robertson. Buchanan is far closer to Goldwater and Buckley than Robertson and Huckabee.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take is (at least in terms of Obama adminstration) that a &quot;keep &#039;em high because otherwise they&#039;ll notice &#039;[they&#039;re] all socialists now&#039;&quot; reasoning is behind this....</description>
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		<title>By: chance</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yeah, if all these DEA and SWAT types want to play soldier, kick down doors and shoot people perhaps they should all be transferred to the military in Afghanistan. Nah, I bet their too cowardly to actually be soldiers.&quot;

I don&#039;t like to defend DEA, but I&#039;ve met some while I was down in Honduras, and what they were doing (&quot;advising&quot; military counter drug teams) was from what I could see pretty much the same as soldiering, and exposed them to extreme physical danger.  Indeed, many SWAT and DEA are former military.  I imagine there are similar agents in many countries, including Afghanistan.  Again, I&#039;m not defending the mission, I&#039;m not saying many aren&#039;t total assholes, but I don&#039;t know if you can just use the term coward as a blanket for all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yeah, if all these DEA and SWAT types want to play soldier, kick down doors and shoot people perhaps they should all be transferred to the military in Afghanistan. Nah, I bet their too cowardly to actually be soldiers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to defend DEA, but I&#8217;ve met some while I was down in Honduras, and what they were doing (&#8220;advising&#8221; military counter drug teams) was from what I could see pretty much the same as soldiering, and exposed them to extreme physical danger.  Indeed, many SWAT and DEA are former military.  I imagine there are similar agents in many countries, including Afghanistan.  Again, I&#8217;m not defending the mission, I&#8217;m not saying many aren&#8217;t total assholes, but I don&#8217;t know if you can just use the term coward as a blanket for all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: asg</title>
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		<dc:creator>asg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem like there&#039;s more attention being paid in &quot;serious&quot; circles to legalization. This is an illusion. There are no votes in drug legalization, and plenty against it. We are a Puritan country and the drug war is about feeling virtuous, not about tax revenue or people&#039;s rights. Furthermore, there are no organized interests with a stake in ending the drug war, but lots of them with a stake in perpetuating it. It is like sugar subsidies, or US dairy policy. These are terrible, destructive policies that will never end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem like there&#8217;s more attention being paid in &#8220;serious&#8221; circles to legalization. This is an illusion. There are no votes in drug legalization, and plenty against it. We are a Puritan country and the drug war is about feeling virtuous, not about tax revenue or people&#8217;s rights. Furthermore, there are no organized interests with a stake in ending the drug war, but lots of them with a stake in perpetuating it. It is like sugar subsidies, or US dairy policy. These are terrible, destructive policies that will never end.</p>
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		<title>By: J sub D</title>
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		<dc:creator>J sub D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy Pharmaceuticals, Batman!
Pat Buchanan almost got it right.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Which is the greater evil? Legalized narcotics for America’s young or a failed state of 110,000 million on our southern border?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Substitute &quot;consenting adults&quot; for &quot;America&#039;s young&quot; and it&#039;s a home run sentence.
&lt;blockquote&gt;God help me for daring to embrace a tiny bit of optimism, here, but I’m starting to sense the first inklings of a sea change in drug policy, not just here, but all around the world. The mounting pile of evidence of the drug war’s failure and catastrophic consequences is getting too big for reasonable people to ignore.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In 1975 I was certain that marijuana would be legalized in 10 years.  I hpoe like hell you&#039;rw better than I at forecasting.  Far too many lives have been wasted and ruined by the War on Drugs Sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Pharmaceuticals, Batman!<br />
Pat Buchanan almost got it right.</p>
<blockquote><p>Which is the greater evil? Legalized narcotics for America’s young or a failed state of 110,000 million on our southern border?</p></blockquote>
<p>Substitute &#8220;consenting adults&#8221; for &#8220;America&#8217;s young&#8221; and it&#8217;s a home run sentence.</p>
<blockquote><p>God help me for daring to embrace a tiny bit of optimism, here, but I’m starting to sense the first inklings of a sea change in drug policy, not just here, but all around the world. The mounting pile of evidence of the drug war’s failure and catastrophic consequences is getting too big for reasonable people to ignore.</p></blockquote>
<p>In 1975 I was certain that marijuana would be legalized in 10 years.  I hpoe like hell you&#8217;rw better than I at forecasting.  Far too many lives have been wasted and ruined by the War on Drugs Sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably just a momentary lapse into rational lucid thinking.  It&#039;ll pass.</description>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Buchanan:
Legalized narcotics for America’s young or a failed state of 110,000 million on our southern border?
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#8 &#124;  Kunal &#124;  March 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm 

I know TARP and the Stimulus have changed people’s perceptions of large numbers such as Billions and Trillions, but I’m pretty sure there aren’t 110 Billion people in Mexico.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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Whether or not there are, don&#039;t let Lonewacko/Orange Line Special see that number!</description>
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Buchanan:<br />
Legalized narcotics for America’s young or a failed state of 110,000 million on our southern border?</p>
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<p>#8 |  Kunal |  March 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm </p>
<p>I know TARP and the Stimulus have changed people’s perceptions of large numbers such as Billions and Trillions, but I’m pretty sure there aren’t 110 Billion people in Mexico.
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<p>Whether or not there are, don&#8217;t let Lonewacko/Orange Line Special see that number!</p>
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