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No excuse for him beating up this girl. That said (ohh, I’m probably gonna get it for saying this), something did jump out at me in the article:
Schene had previously been in the news in 2006 after he fatally shot Pedro Jo, a mentally ill man, during a struggle after a traffic stop on Interstate 5. It was the second officer-involved shooting of his career. An inquest jury ruled the shooting was justified. Jo viciously attacked Schene, trying to strangle him with his own radio cord.
Now, I don’t know the details, but taken at face value that sounds like it was probably justified, and a pretty bad experience. No details are given on the other shooting in the article. These incidents could have been enough to give him PTSD, especially the Jo shooting. Again, this doesn’t excuse his actions (and is pure speculation on my part), but it might explain a little, and maybe he needed treatment that would have prevented this.
Or, maybe he is just another bully in uniform, who knows?
#41 | Don | March 1st, 2009 at 3:17 am
#35 Jumping to the defense of your brethren at the slightest provocation, let’s see who does that remind me of…
Don, if you’re actually comparing the loyal fraternity of police officers with one anarchist looking out for another anarchist, you’ve got serious comprehension problems.
Never mind that Gogulski’s points are valid and sound. Police are public servants in that they serve themselves at the expense of the public. And that goes for ALL police officers, much as Bob explained so well above in his very well received comment.
The shoe didn’t actually cause the officer “injury and pain” but those are the magic words necessary for her to be charged with assaulting an officer. “Injury and pain” are essential elements of an assault charge in almost every jurisdiction.
We keep hearing about these mythical “good cops”, as if all it takes to be a “good cop” is to not engage in blatantly criminal activity.
There’s that joke, 90% of cops give the other 10% a bad name. Well I got bad news: if those 10% were really good cops, there would be hourly news stories of good cops ratting out bad cops.
The second guy in the video almost certainly didn’t commit any crime – if you or I see an assault out on the street, we’re under no obligation to stop it (just like if a cop sees it, it turns out). But standing by and doing nothing, either then, or even after the fact, places him squarely in the “bad cop” column.
The day a video is released where one cop starts beating the shit out of somebody for no reason and another cop physically intervenes to protect the victim, then we’ll have evidence that “good cops” actually exist. And the day videos like that are more numerous than videos like this, I might even be persuaded that the system works.
The day a video is released where one cop starts beating the shit out of somebody for no reason and another cop physically intervenes to protect the victim, then we’ll have evidence that “good cops” actually exist.
Slight but important addition: I’d call it on the day “another cop physically intervenes, accurately details the event in his report, and testifies truthfully if an internal investigation is conducted or if the victim presses charges…”
Yet ANOTHER reason we shouldn’t allow video cameras to be mixed with “police work” EVER! It reallly muddies up the issues. Without them, we can all go back to taking the cops’ word as gospel as it was meant to be.
ZappaCrappa has his fingers crossed that this cop will be the next one to die in the line of duty…or not in the line of duty…either was works…
So, what does this guy do to his children when they pitch a fit? This girl is 15. Teenagers throw hissy fits all the time. Parents know what it’s about when they always ask the kid do they have a attitude problem. Well, this girl had an attitude problem. If I was the cop, I would told the girl to sit her but down and watch what she was doing. I would have never gotten angry with her. A person being a teenager means a lot of things. Immaturity would be one of them. They need to investigate this guy further.
Rainy, I’m not particularly worried about his kids. He probably sees them as actual human beings, and therefore doles out reasonable punishment for misbehavior.
Judging by his career history, I don’t think this guy has anger issues. I think he’s a cold blooded sociopath who was just frustrated, and this girl was a convenient target for his frustration. Or he felt like he needed a workout. I think he plead not guilty because he honestly doesn’t feel he did anything wrong. It’s not like he hit someone in his own family or another police officer, and it’d be my guess that that’s as far as his empathy extends regarding other people. Hell, he was probably thrilled that the shoe actually hit him, and he probably assumed the “pain and injury” it caused him would negate any repercussions.
PS: The shoe hit his thigh, the toilet hit his shin.
Now why would they put anything on the news about human rights violations against America’s citizens? You know that doesn’t happen here. Why, we are the shining example of a government whose people’s rights are protected and respected! Silly you!
#33… Even if the beating were justified and all that, if you’re too much of a pussy to be able to stand being hit by a shoe from a 15 year old girl, you’re not qualified to be a police officer. You’re a pussy (and that’s the kindest word I can think of for you).
Sir, I believe you owe an apology to all the pussies of the world.
I agree that talk of sentencing this turd to butt sex is barbaric (with apologies to turds.) Instead, fly him over to Phoenix, plant an ounce of herb on him and let Joe Arpaio’s goons do their normal stuff.
They should have Hayne and West examine the girl. Just don’t tell them a cop did it.
They will be able to provide evidence that he actually killed her.
I love how the second cop bravely protected the girl against this loser’s assault. Brave heros like that POS are why we make so many tv shows and movies about cops. It was particularly courageous the way he kneeled there and held her still while the other guy beat her in the head. I bet he has played that particular role before.
Hey, while you are down there superhero, why don’t you suck your buddy’s cock again?
I’m not sure if anyone noticed but it appears he comes back in to look for blood. He looks at the wall where he smashed her head, then on the floor and then he stops and wipes up a spot by the door. Classy.
I hate that this happened, but I’m glad that it was caught on tape and might actually be significant enough to bring attention to the Burien police department. I’m from Burien. Born and raised. Burien seems to have had a problem with hyper-aggressive police for as long as I’ve been alive.
I’ve witnessed a number of incidents involving ridiculously excessive force displayed by officers, going all the way back to when I was a small child. And it’s not like Burien is some hood. Yes, we’ve got a relatively high crime rate, but that’s largely due to the fact that the buffer between Seattle and Burien is unincorporated King County (White Center) which is full of projects and has no police force of its own. Regardless, our crime rate is no justification for the malevolent lawlessness displayed by the local department.
As teenagers, we were in perpetual fear of the police, two in particular. We could expect to be harassed, randomly searched and assaulted. The one particularly frightening officer was eventually removed from the force for allegedly shooting one too many unarmed civilians, the last one being a teenager. The other, officer Rayborn, is cited in the the article I linked to below. And suits brought against the department for this kind of conduct? Well, they ended like you’d expect any suits against police officers to end – Acquittals and hung juries. I went to school with the “drug user”, Mike Winchester, referenced in the quote below. Nice guy.
“Keller and two other officers were arrested in 2003 and charged with unlawful imprisonment and fourth-degree assault. They were accused of pepper-spraying and hitting Michael Winchester, a drug user they wanted to turn into an informant, to punish him for not returning their phone calls.
Prosecutors also alleged the three officers drove Winchester to the Green River and threatened to throw him in. But in 2004 a jury deadlocked 8-4 in favor of acquitting the police officers on five of the six charges, and the Prosecuting Attorney’s Office decided not to retry the case.”
[…] so commonplace, so expected, that my first thought on learning about the King County deputy who attacked a teenage girl was that at least it was being investigated, and at least he was being charged with a crime. That […]
I work with mentally ill teenagers in patient treatment. We are all mental health professionals who do not carry weapons and who regularly are assaulted by teens. Although some of us have been hurt, we all know how to handle a teen who is out of control and what types of restraints to use in order not to harm ourselves or the patient. None of the techniques EVER involve slamming against walls, punching anywhere on the body or dragging a person by their hair. We are all trained to either walk away and let the child cool down until the tantrum is over or to physically restrain without causing harm.
I looked at this video and thought she was just kicking her shoes off. She looked to be compliant to me. My initial reaction, had I thought she was about to become assaultive, would have been to SHUT THE DOOR. She was not that close to it and the door was almost shut anyway. That guy was looking for an excuse to kick her 15 year old, maybe 100 pound butt.
This should definitely be a felony charge. And, can someone explain to me why she was not offered medical attention?
See Packratt #14’s video link. She was “offered” or requested medical attention but IMHO the firefighters/paramedics clearly deferred to the officer and not the requesting patient! After what that maniac cop did to her, she should have been taken to a hospital for evaluation. As far as I am concerned, the firefighter/paramedics failed in their duty.