At least it looks like the police have investigated and are taking this seriously… 15 year old girl or not, there is probably never a reason to strike a prisoner in the head once they are on the ground and subdued…
Punched in the head or not, at that point all the retaliation necessary was to shut the door, perhaps give it a good slam. “She kicked a shoe at me, and called me a pig.” awwwwwwww. It looks like the other officer is making a sort of pathetic effort to get him to stop punching her in the head.
Nothing like beating on a fifteen year old girl who’s trapped in a holding cell, and can’t fight back without being charged for assaulting a police officer, to make you feel like a big man. If anyone deserves to be gang raped in prison it’s this fucking guy.
Antonin Scalia |
February 28th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
You see, this is the new professionalism I’ve been talking about in action!
Thought you’d find this one interesting Radley. I don’t know if she was being combative prior to ‘kicking her shoe off towards the door’ which may have caused the officer to over react.
Clearly she meant to remove the shoe since you can see her move the toe of her other foot to her heel to loosen it. Hell maybe she should have kept it on and just aimed a bit higher!
She didn’t appear aggressive since she immediately crossed her arms in defiance. So she didn’t exhibit a threat to him with any part of her body and the shoe didn’t get more than maybe a foot off the floor.
Either way, he was way outta line rushing her, slamming her against the wall, grabbing her by the hair and slamming her to the floor then pummeling her twice on the head. Then after cuffing her which she didn’t seem to be offering much resistance, he yanks her up by her hair as well.
Either the guy’s into S&M or he has a nasty temper and needs a couple of smacks on his head!
Geesh, you’d think she threw a live hand grenade at him judging from his frenzied and angry reaction.
I’m a little confused. If the cop and this girl were friends and had consensual sex, he could be sent away for a long long time for statutory rape. If, on the other hand, he beats the crap out of her, he gets charged with a fucking misdemeanor?
“Schene, who is 6 feet 2 and weighs 195 pounds, did not explain his action to investigators, court documents say.”
‘In his own report from the incident, Schene wrote that the shoe hit him in the right shin, “causing injury and pain.” ‘
I am 6 feet 3 and weigh about 195 pounds, and if I claimed “injury and pain” from a shoe striking my shin with the awesome force generated by that 15 year old girl I saw in the video, I think I would be too embarrassed to ever show my face at the office again, let alone around a bunch of supposedly bad-ass gang unit cops. When I was younger, politically incorrect slurs for homosexuals or uncouth terms for a woman’s genitalia were used to describe guys who whined like that.
A fucking misdemeanor??!!! are you fucking kidding me. There is not god and there is no such thing as justice. Just go read your alber camus and get over it.
Nino Scalia |
February 28th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Perfect demonstration of the “increasing professionalism” I wrote of in Hudson v. Michigan, as Antonin above noted. Also demonstrates the utility of my “extrajudicial non-punishment” applied to suspects not yet convicted of any crimes; I mean, after all, if they haven’t been convicted, how could it be punishment? Can’t argue with that logic. Am I smart, or what?
Packratt, I have seen that part of the video you are referring to however, I am talking about from the time of arrest and through processing.
Just trying to figure out how the mere kicking her shoe off towards him sparked the fury we see him display.
If his fuse is THAT short (take that anyway you want to), he is in the wrong line of work.
I am a former paramedic and also worked in law enforcement agencies (I was not a sworn officer), so I know the caliber of people you sometimes have to deal with. Granted certain people can ‘get under your skin’ but this guy went from 0 to 60 in a split second.
It would be interesting to know the details of this guy’s previous on-duty shootings. I wonder if his quick temper made him TOO quick on the draw as well.
Public servant jobs requires patience and lots of it. I used to love to hear the one, “I pay YOUR salary.” I always retorted with, “Glad I found you, where the hell is my long-overdue RAISE?”
Believe it or not there are a lot of good officers out there who truly go by the book and some that go above and beyond the call of duty to serve their communities but I am also VERY cognizant of the THIN BLUE LINE and the shroud of secrecy that surrounds it.
This guy is a dipshit AND stupid.
I am going to re-issue myself a reminder…Note to self: NEVER commit a crime while you are being VIDEOTAPED…just asked Michael West.
Frankly, it doesn’t matter what she did before, if it bugged him that much he should have just shut that damn door as she was already detained, everything that occurred in that cell was excessive and uncalled for.
And thank you for warning us that we should be wary of cops like you when there aren’t cameras around.
Judi, my kid would not get off the hook either if he or she was guilty of commiting a crime.
But if this was my kid, not only would I want a few minutes with Officer Brute, I would sue the pants off his ass! And I hope these parents do just that. I watched the tape again and I can’t believe that anyone would call this a misdemeanor and not an outright felony; he could have killed that girl!
Here is the news video showing the outside of the cell right before they rushed in (with commentary by Will Grigg). Will points out that the cop slammed his shin against the toilet; that’s how he hurt it.
Of course, if the detective who found that video had decided to bury it instead of sending it up, there’s very little chance that any action would be taken against this officer. And if there hadn’t been a camera in that cell in the first place…
February 28th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
A prediction: Since it’s gotten so much attention and this guy will probably be fired (I’m not as convinced that he’ll get the jail time he deserves), many police apologists of the Antonin Scalia mindset will say, “This shows that the professional law enforcement system works. A cop did something wrong and he was ousted. We can trust the rest of them.” In other words, since this guy sees some discipline (apparently long overdue), the conclusion will be that the police have cleaned house and we should assume the remaining cops are all above board, which is what review boards and courts do all the time anyway. We know that when an officer is accused of abuse, the overwhelming majority of internal revues (and the rare actual court cases) end up concluding that the officer – beyond just not deserving punishment – actually did nothing wrong at all.
I suspect that that majority of cases don’t have a videotaped record of what really happened and it all boils down to the officer’s word against the citizen’s. I would like to see a study of what fraction of cases where the event is video recorded result in discipline versus those cases where there is no such record. As a shot in the dark, I would guess the numbers are something like 10% versus 1%. That 10% would still be very low, considering the number of videoed cases we’ve seen where the department still concludes the officer was acting appropriately when I think most people would think he belongs behind bars. But, even that would imply that ten times the number of revue cases that conclude the officer acted appropriately should really have believed the citizen instead. Echoing Mayor Calvo’s comment from the other night, this is another area where sunshine (video recordings) could really help realign public (and judicial) perception with reality and do a lot of good.
In fairness, though, a half-positive / half-negative note from the article deserves comment.
[Deputy] Brian Bonnar, was acquitted in January of civil rights violations during a trial in U.S. District Court. Bonnar, who patrolled in the precinct, was accused by other deputies of using excessive force on a woman who’d been restrained after a high-speed pursuit.
I think those other deputies deserve some credit. And, I think we should take a lesson from this about what honest cops are up against when they report wrongdoing be fellow officers. Here, they apparently went through the trouble of reporting Officer Beatdown and they followed it through to trial (even though she probably wasn’t sympathetic, given the high-speed chase) and the guy still got off. I am not making excuses – good cops should always report police misbehavior – but I can see where a cop might think, “I am going to be a pariah and it won’t do any good.”
I guess maybe I’ll get some shit for this, but I’d really like to see some political movement on police accountability. I mean, the various parties all make noise about what is and isn’t an abuse of government authority, etc, but a lot of it descends into a sort of ridiculous hyperbole meant to suggest that the issue in question is tantamount to what we see on that video–unwarranted violence against a relatively helpless individual by an agent of the government. But police are actual, real-life agents of the government, and engage in actual, real-life violence against citizens–and yet, as a political matter, police accountability gets almost no attention. I know the reasons for, I’m just saing–it sucks.
That 10% would still be very low, considering the number of videoed cases we’ve seen where the department still concludes the officer was acting appropriately when I think most people would think he belongs behind bars.
It’s funny you’d mention that, because I think that’s actually the argument police lobbyists used in California to help kill a bill a year or two ago that would have required video of all interrogations–that juries would interpret what they saw as abuse or coercion. It’s a pretty revealing argument.
I think those other deputies deserve some credit. And, I think we should take a lesson from this about what honest cops are up against when they report wrongdoing be fellow officers.
Yes, and that’s exactly why video monitoring is so vital–honest cops right now face all manner of repercussion for reporting abuses, precisely because such reporting is at their discretion. Officers need to know that there is an objective record of their actions and they can’t just bully their more idealistic (or less corrupt) comrades into ignoring abuses.
My ex is a cop and an asshole from hell to boot. (His current wife who is a cop now too, threatened to murder our 6 year old son 13 years ago) I worked in the field as a paramedic for 8 years. I was a police telecommiuncator for 4 years.
I know the GOOD, BAD and UGLY.
People label ALL Harley riders as trouble-makers and criminals. Not ALL Harley-Davidson owners are gang members.
Same goes for cops. Not ALL are like this turd on the video.
If ANYONE knows what goes on behind closed doors, I can assure you that I do.
Aaron C. de Bruyn |
March 1st, 2009 at 12:41 am
[quote]He and the girl exchanged words. Brunner said she was “real lippy” after being informed she was under arrest and called them “fat pigs.”[/quote]
Real lippy? If that’s not reason enough to kick someone in the stomach, slam them into a wall, and then throw them to the ground by their hair, I don’t know what is. And the ‘fat pigs’ remark–well, that obviously deserves getting the back of your head punched several times.
I suppose now’s as good a time as any to remind people “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but so will the King County Sheriffs Office.”
Michael Chaney |
March 1st, 2009 at 12:43 am
A couple of points (sorry I’m late to the party):
1. Why is the other officer, who could have stopped this at any point, also not being charged with aiding? He should have pulled his gun on officer friendly at the start and put a quick end to this. Instead, he helped out. He’s at least as guilty.
2. This isn’t “excessive force”. Here we go with weasel words again. “Excessive force”, “use of force”, etc. refer to incidents where an officer has to use bodily force against another person so he can perform his duty. Since beating up 15 year old girls isn’t part of his duty, this isn’t a “use of force” scenario. It’s assault. Felonious, at that.
3. So she got the shit beat out of her by this piece of human garbage and that didn’t require a trip to the hospital. The POHG, on the other hand, got hit by a shoe in the shin kicked off by a 15 year old girl and he had to go to the hospital. Did he tell his mommy, too? That meany girl!
4. It’s been said above, but bears repeating. Even if the beating were justified and all that, if you’re too much of a pussy to be able to stand being hit by a shoe from a 15 year old girl, you’re not qualified to be a police officer. You’re a pussy (and that’s the kindest word I can think of for you). Give up your badge and gun – you’re an embarrassment to the city and the profession.
5. Her going to the hospital would have apparently turned it into felony assault, so I think we can guess why she didn’t get to go. If I were the attorney, I’d have the paramedic on the stand and I’d make sure to investigate any claims of witness intimidation related to that.
i wonder if this pig feels tough now that he has proven that he can beat up a 15 year old girl who kicked her shoe at him. and his claim that he was just responding to her ‘disrespect’ by kicking her shoe at him is laughable. here’s hoping he gets put away in the county jail and has his sweet virigin ass torn apart by a nasty nate, because he deserves no less. but the more likely out come is an internal investigation that clears the officer of any wrong doing, with the state subsequently paying the girl off with tax payer money, and the officer being forced to attend ‘sensitivity training’. i guess this is the ‘new police professionalism’ scalia talks about.
Is it just me or does the way she enters, stops and then turns before removing / kicking off her shoe seem like someone being told to take off their shoes? It seems like a casual flip of the shoe meant to get it out of the cell, like if someone said “You can’t have your shoes in there.”
My thoughts watching the video were, oh, she can’t keep her shoes in there… holy shit! What the hell just happened!
Kind of reminded me of Elio Carrion being shot by Ivory Webb while obeying the officer’s instructions.
The shoe caused “injury and pain” to his shin? What, are cops absolute wussies nowadays? Seem to remember when I was 15, shearing Christmas trees, I stuck a machete in my shin. Worked all day and went through four bandages. Didn’t even go to the hospital afterward. Hell, when I was 13 I stuck a machete in my knee. That took 7 stitches to close and I worked all day before I went to the hospital to get it stitched up. 6′ 2″ and 195 pounds of wuss.
‘I think those other deputies deserve some credit. And, I think we should take a lesson from this about what honest cops are up against when they report wrongdoing be fellow officers.’
You might be right, but my experience with cops ratting each other out- usually, the cop that’s been ratted out has pissed off the others- maybe he’s guilty, maybe they’re guilty and he ratted on them. I’ve seen some pretty devious setups to oust cops ‘who can’t get along’…
just saying, as bad as they treat the public, they can turn on each other just as quick. I can think of a few examples of cops not getting backup because ‘he’s a jackoff’.
#30 A year would be enough if the ex-cop were put in general population with the rest of the inmates fully informed. I’d give him about ten weeks before he’s either someone’s wife or dead.
#31 “Same goes for cops. Not ALL are like this turd on the video.”
Unfortunately, there is no special insignia to differentiate the good cops from the scum, so I have to presume scum until proven otherwise. Hell, I learned that from my very first Travis McGee dime novel.
#39, you’re right, the cops told her to remove her shoes. Shoes are dangerous to a free society, esp. in jails and airports.
#40, the cop hurt his shin when he slammed it into the toilet.
#45, I agree, prison rape is not something to be joked about or advocated. We joke about it, yet our chances of spending time in jail or prison goes up every year as more and more people are arrested for pretend crimes.
No excuse for him beating up this girl. That said (ohh, I’m probably gonna get it for saying this), something did jump out at me in the article:
Schene had previously been in the news in 2006 after he fatally shot Pedro Jo, a mentally ill man, during a struggle after a traffic stop on Interstate 5. It was the second officer-involved shooting of his career. An inquest jury ruled the shooting was justified. Jo viciously attacked Schene, trying to strangle him with his own radio cord.
Now, I don’t know the details, but taken at face value that sounds like it was probably justified, and a pretty bad experience. No details are given on the other shooting in the article. These incidents could have been enough to give him PTSD, especially the Jo shooting. Again, this doesn’t excuse his actions (and is pure speculation on my part), but it might explain a little, and maybe he needed treatment that would have prevented this.
Or, maybe he is just another bully in uniform, who knows?
#41 | Don | March 1st, 2009 at 3:17 am
#35 Jumping to the defense of your brethren at the slightest provocation, let’s see who does that remind me of…
Don, if you’re actually comparing the loyal fraternity of police officers with one anarchist looking out for another anarchist, you’ve got serious comprehension problems.
Never mind that Gogulski’s points are valid and sound. Police are public servants in that they serve themselves at the expense of the public. And that goes for ALL police officers, much as Bob explained so well above in his very well received comment.
The shoe didn’t actually cause the officer “injury and pain” but those are the magic words necessary for her to be charged with assaulting an officer. “Injury and pain” are essential elements of an assault charge in almost every jurisdiction.
We keep hearing about these mythical “good cops”, as if all it takes to be a “good cop” is to not engage in blatantly criminal activity.
There’s that joke, 90% of cops give the other 10% a bad name. Well I got bad news: if those 10% were really good cops, there would be hourly news stories of good cops ratting out bad cops.
The second guy in the video almost certainly didn’t commit any crime – if you or I see an assault out on the street, we’re under no obligation to stop it (just like if a cop sees it, it turns out). But standing by and doing nothing, either then, or even after the fact, places him squarely in the “bad cop” column.
The day a video is released where one cop starts beating the shit out of somebody for no reason and another cop physically intervenes to protect the victim, then we’ll have evidence that “good cops” actually exist. And the day videos like that are more numerous than videos like this, I might even be persuaded that the system works.
The day a video is released where one cop starts beating the shit out of somebody for no reason and another cop physically intervenes to protect the victim, then we’ll have evidence that “good cops” actually exist.
Slight but important addition: I’d call it on the day “another cop physically intervenes, accurately details the event in his report, and testifies truthfully if an internal investigation is conducted or if the victim presses charges…”
Yet ANOTHER reason we shouldn’t allow video cameras to be mixed with “police work” EVER! It reallly muddies up the issues. Without them, we can all go back to taking the cops’ word as gospel as it was meant to be.
ZappaCrappa has his fingers crossed that this cop will be the next one to die in the line of duty…or not in the line of duty…either was works…
So, what does this guy do to his children when they pitch a fit? This girl is 15. Teenagers throw hissy fits all the time. Parents know what it’s about when they always ask the kid do they have a attitude problem. Well, this girl had an attitude problem. If I was the cop, I would told the girl to sit her but down and watch what she was doing. I would have never gotten angry with her. A person being a teenager means a lot of things. Immaturity would be one of them. They need to investigate this guy further.
Rainy, I’m not particularly worried about his kids. He probably sees them as actual human beings, and therefore doles out reasonable punishment for misbehavior.
Judging by his career history, I don’t think this guy has anger issues. I think he’s a cold blooded sociopath who was just frustrated, and this girl was a convenient target for his frustration. Or he felt like he needed a workout. I think he plead not guilty because he honestly doesn’t feel he did anything wrong. It’s not like he hit someone in his own family or another police officer, and it’d be my guess that that’s as far as his empathy extends regarding other people. Hell, he was probably thrilled that the shoe actually hit him, and he probably assumed the “pain and injury” it caused him would negate any repercussions.
PS: The shoe hit his thigh, the toilet hit his shin.
Now why would they put anything on the news about human rights violations against America’s citizens? You know that doesn’t happen here. Why, we are the shining example of a government whose people’s rights are protected and respected! Silly you!
#33… Even if the beating were justified and all that, if you’re too much of a pussy to be able to stand being hit by a shoe from a 15 year old girl, you’re not qualified to be a police officer. You’re a pussy (and that’s the kindest word I can think of for you).
Sir, I believe you owe an apology to all the pussies of the world.
I agree that talk of sentencing this turd to butt sex is barbaric (with apologies to turds.) Instead, fly him over to Phoenix, plant an ounce of herb on him and let Joe Arpaio’s goons do their normal stuff.
They should have Hayne and West examine the girl. Just don’t tell them a cop did it.
They will be able to provide evidence that he actually killed her.
I love how the second cop bravely protected the girl against this loser’s assault. Brave heros like that POS are why we make so many tv shows and movies about cops. It was particularly courageous the way he kneeled there and held her still while the other guy beat her in the head. I bet he has played that particular role before.
Hey, while you are down there superhero, why don’t you suck your buddy’s cock again?
I’m not sure if anyone noticed but it appears he comes back in to look for blood. He looks at the wall where he smashed her head, then on the floor and then he stops and wipes up a spot by the door. Classy.
I hate that this happened, but I’m glad that it was caught on tape and might actually be significant enough to bring attention to the Burien police department. I’m from Burien. Born and raised. Burien seems to have had a problem with hyper-aggressive police for as long as I’ve been alive.
I’ve witnessed a number of incidents involving ridiculously excessive force displayed by officers, going all the way back to when I was a small child. And it’s not like Burien is some hood. Yes, we’ve got a relatively high crime rate, but that’s largely due to the fact that the buffer between Seattle and Burien is unincorporated King County (White Center) which is full of projects and has no police force of its own. Regardless, our crime rate is no justification for the malevolent lawlessness displayed by the local department.
As teenagers, we were in perpetual fear of the police, two in particular. We could expect to be harassed, randomly searched and assaulted. The one particularly frightening officer was eventually removed from the force for allegedly shooting one too many unarmed civilians, the last one being a teenager. The other, officer Rayborn, is cited in the the article I linked to below. And suits brought against the department for this kind of conduct? Well, they ended like you’d expect any suits against police officers to end – Acquittals and hung juries. I went to school with the “drug user”, Mike Winchester, referenced in the quote below. Nice guy.
“Keller and two other officers were arrested in 2003 and charged with unlawful imprisonment and fourth-degree assault. They were accused of pepper-spraying and hitting Michael Winchester, a drug user they wanted to turn into an informant, to punish him for not returning their phone calls.
Prosecutors also alleged the three officers drove Winchester to the Green River and threatened to throw him in. But in 2004 a jury deadlocked 8-4 in favor of acquitting the police officers on five of the six charges, and the Prosecuting Attorney’s Office decided not to retry the case.”
[...] so commonplace, so expected, that my first thought on learning about the King County deputy who attacked a teenage girl was that at least it was being investigated, and at least he was being charged with a crime. That [...]
I work with mentally ill teenagers in patient treatment. We are all mental health professionals who do not carry weapons and who regularly are assaulted by teens. Although some of us have been hurt, we all know how to handle a teen who is out of control and what types of restraints to use in order not to harm ourselves or the patient. None of the techniques EVER involve slamming against walls, punching anywhere on the body or dragging a person by their hair. We are all trained to either walk away and let the child cool down until the tantrum is over or to physically restrain without causing harm.
I looked at this video and thought she was just kicking her shoes off. She looked to be compliant to me. My initial reaction, had I thought she was about to become assaultive, would have been to SHUT THE DOOR. She was not that close to it and the door was almost shut anyway. That guy was looking for an excuse to kick her 15 year old, maybe 100 pound butt.
This should definitely be a felony charge. And, can someone explain to me why she was not offered medical attention?
See Packratt #14’s video link. She was “offered” or requested medical attention but IMHO the firefighters/paramedics clearly deferred to the officer and not the requesting patient! After what that maniac cop did to her, she should have been taken to a hospital for evaluation. As far as I am concerned, the firefighter/paramedics failed in their duty.