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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Trey Garrison</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242981</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey Garrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Radley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Radley.</p>
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		<title>By: cls</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242980</link>
		<dc:creator>cls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radley: May I echo what has been said here. You misstate the studies on two parent families. These studies compared children raised by two parents (a mom and a dad) to those raised by one parent (a mom or a dad but not both). Conservatives then used the references to having a mother and father and tried to pretend this compared children in these families to those raised by gay couples. The studies DID NOT do that. Conservatives are very moral except when it comes to lying about gay people -- then all morality is out the window.

No study that I know of has said children raised by same-sex parents are worse off than children raised by opposite-sex parents. Conservatives may have made these claims and then shown studies about the benefits of two parents to one. But that is nothing more than a cheap bait and switch tactic. You shouldn&#039;t fall for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley: May I echo what has been said here. You misstate the studies on two parent families. These studies compared children raised by two parents (a mom and a dad) to those raised by one parent (a mom or a dad but not both). Conservatives then used the references to having a mother and father and tried to pretend this compared children in these families to those raised by gay couples. The studies DID NOT do that. Conservatives are very moral except when it comes to lying about gay people &#8212; then all morality is out the window.</p>
<p>No study that I know of has said children raised by same-sex parents are worse off than children raised by opposite-sex parents. Conservatives may have made these claims and then shown studies about the benefits of two parents to one. But that is nothing more than a cheap bait and switch tactic. You shouldn&#8217;t fall for it.</p>
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		<title>By: old</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242977</link>
		<dc:creator>old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Or is hating gay people more important than what’s best for these kids?&lt;/i&gt;

Yes.

&lt;i&gt;Testimony from a former guard at Guantanamo Bay. It’s difficult to blame the ground-level guys in this stuff. I blame the people who put in place the policies that allowed it to happen. Which is why they need to be held accountable.&lt;/i&gt;

Befehl ist Befehl]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or is hating gay people more important than what’s best for these kids?</i></p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p><i>Testimony from a former guard at Guantanamo Bay. It’s difficult to blame the ground-level guys in this stuff. I blame the people who put in place the policies that allowed it to happen. Which is why they need to be held accountable.</i></p>
<p>Befehl ist Befehl</p>
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		<title>By: Pinandpuller</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242968</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Episiarch wrote: &quot; How would this be different than a straight man with a dead wife and a kid, whose brother comes to live with him to help out?&quot;

Bringing necrophelia and incest into this discussion is just going to confuse everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Episiarch wrote: &#8221; How would this be different than a straight man with a dead wife and a kid, whose brother comes to live with him to help out?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bringing necrophelia and incest into this discussion is just going to confuse everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinandpuller</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242965</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gender that is.  I thought that I was French for a second.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gender that is.  I thought that I was French for a second.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinandpuller</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242963</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radley Balko wrote: &quot;Except that, as noted, there are 7,000 kids who are wards of the state in Kentucky. Meaning that there are way more kids than there are hetero couples who want them. Hence, my point. Unless you think these kids are better off raised by the state of Kentucky than they are by a loving gay couple, this is more about hating gay people than it is about what’s best for these kids.&quot;

Apparently in Kentucky you can change your geneder on your birth certificate so problem solved.  Either that or you can deport them to Tennessee or Ohio.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley Balko wrote: &#8220;Except that, as noted, there are 7,000 kids who are wards of the state in Kentucky. Meaning that there are way more kids than there are hetero couples who want them. Hence, my point. Unless you think these kids are better off raised by the state of Kentucky than they are by a loving gay couple, this is more about hating gay people than it is about what’s best for these kids.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently in Kentucky you can change your geneder on your birth certificate so problem solved.  Either that or you can deport them to Tennessee or Ohio.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinandpuller</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242960</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calm down Euler-this ain&#039;t Little Green Footballs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calm down Euler-this ain&#8217;t Little Green Footballs.</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242858</link>
		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I go back to what a hip hop artist told me at conference a couple of years ago: “The blue wall of silence is the most successful stop snitchin’ campaign in history.” 

That, by the way, is a brilliant observation!  This is a notion that should be presented to recruits at the academy.  If you look the other way or enable a crooked colleague, you are sliding down a slippery slope.  You are no longer protecting the &quot;sheep from the wolves,&quot; you are just a different pack of wolves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I go back to what a hip hop artist told me at conference a couple of years ago: “The blue wall of silence is the most successful stop snitchin’ campaign in history.” </p>
<p>That, by the way, is a brilliant observation!  This is a notion that should be presented to recruits at the academy.  If you look the other way or enable a crooked colleague, you are sliding down a slippery slope.  You are no longer protecting the &#8220;sheep from the wolves,&#8221; you are just a different pack of wolves.</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242857</link>
		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: Dallas PD Story...

&quot;That’s one reason Lopez decided to become a cop. She had no illusions she was going to save the world. But she remembered that Arlington police officer, and she wanted to make a difference.&quot; 

I found that part of the story moving, because I have been there.  I grew up in a police family, visited the station now and again, and was treated very kindly by the officers I knew. By in large, they were good people in a less than ideal system. 

I developed a balanced picture of the field , with the help of my father.  When I decided to become a law enforcement major, he didn&#039;t necessarily jump for joy, but he tried to be helpful and offered sage advice, such as, &quot;first finish college&quot; (so I did).  

Veteran officers like my dad did not feel the need to get into foot pursuits every day, or act like cowboys.  Indeed, they developed an understanding with the guys on the street because they weren&#039;t &quot;hard chargers,&quot; in the parlance of my community.  Unfortunately, this idea seems to be lost on too many officers of my generation.  Becoming an ambassador for, and a servant of the community is becoming a played out notion for the &quot;action cops&quot; that demand so much attention these days.

So I survey the damage that has been done to policing by the &quot;drug war,&quot; the &quot;war on terrorism,&quot; and the notion that all risk can be eliminated and I am demoralized.  After nearly a decade of educating myself, working in a related field, and studying the system, I just don&#039;t think my heart&#039;s in it anymore.  I admire the courage of people like former Officer Lopez.  I just don&#039;t know if I want to go down the same hard road she did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Dallas PD Story&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;That’s one reason Lopez decided to become a cop. She had no illusions she was going to save the world. But she remembered that Arlington police officer, and she wanted to make a difference.&#8221; </p>
<p>I found that part of the story moving, because I have been there.  I grew up in a police family, visited the station now and again, and was treated very kindly by the officers I knew. By in large, they were good people in a less than ideal system. </p>
<p>I developed a balanced picture of the field , with the help of my father.  When I decided to become a law enforcement major, he didn&#8217;t necessarily jump for joy, but he tried to be helpful and offered sage advice, such as, &#8220;first finish college&#8221; (so I did).  </p>
<p>Veteran officers like my dad did not feel the need to get into foot pursuits every day, or act like cowboys.  Indeed, they developed an understanding with the guys on the street because they weren&#8217;t &#8220;hard chargers,&#8221; in the parlance of my community.  Unfortunately, this idea seems to be lost on too many officers of my generation.  Becoming an ambassador for, and a servant of the community is becoming a played out notion for the &#8220;action cops&#8221; that demand so much attention these days.</p>
<p>So I survey the damage that has been done to policing by the &#8220;drug war,&#8221; the &#8220;war on terrorism,&#8221; and the notion that all risk can be eliminated and I am demoralized.  After nearly a decade of educating myself, working in a related field, and studying the system, I just don&#8217;t think my heart&#8217;s in it anymore.  I admire the courage of people like former Officer Lopez.  I just don&#8217;t know if I want to go down the same hard road she did.</p>
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		<title>By: Tolly</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242846</link>
		<dc:creator>Tolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The depressing part of the cop thread is the fact that it&#039;s the citizenry that usually encourages these sorts of tough-on-crime quota/point systems. 

Anyone can use a &quot;fact&quot; to shore up their stumping for office or funds or whatever.  The ugly reality behind bloated stats are stories like this. Reminds me of juking the stats, a la &#039;The Wire&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The depressing part of the cop thread is the fact that it&#8217;s the citizenry that usually encourages these sorts of tough-on-crime quota/point systems. </p>
<p>Anyone can use a &#8220;fact&#8221; to shore up their stumping for office or funds or whatever.  The ugly reality behind bloated stats are stories like this. Reminds me of juking the stats, a la &#8216;The Wire&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242838</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry I got so long winded!]]></description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242833</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please read all of what I have to say her.  It will confuse the &quot;hell&quot; out of you!  Maybe I am just crazy!

I feel I am a, very, conservative, Christian with charismatic beliefs.  What  I see with the above thing on gay adoption is a failure of self-righteous Christians.  And what do they have to be self-righteous about?!

*How many, heterosexual couples, do I know, that are in second marriages (strike one-no divorce among real Christians) that would be considered unfit parents by the church?  They have been sinning! Thus, broken the laws of God.  Are they not continuing to do so, since divorce and remarriage is not allowed (in strict sects)?  Is this any different than &quot;illegal&quot; than gay sex? 

*How many &quot;Christians&quot; have sex out of wedlock, (strike two) before they become married the second or third time?  Are they, not also, unfit?  Did they not break the laws of God, like gays? 
  
*How many, that live with a spouse, with their kids, under the same roof, before a second (or third or fourth) marriage (strike three-sex out of wedlock, again), that would be considered fit, by the church, to be adoptive parents?  Most all of them, of course!

*At least Arkansas (right there with Kentucky) did address the unmarried couple thing. But, how does this determine whether or not the unmarried couple won&#039;t actually supply a better environment than two, lunatic type, custodians, who are married? Granted they are having sex out of wedlock, but so did, all of, the &quot;Christian&quot; people, described above!

* How many kids, raised in a homosexual, two parent, environment, turn out to be &quot;normal&quot; heterosexual people, when grown?  Most, I would dare to guess.  How many kids turnout to be homosexual, or bisexual, when raised by heterosexual parents?

I find it hard to oppose gay people, when, supposedly, Christian people are just as unrighteous as anyone else.  We are, allegedly, saved, not perfect!  I guess if I really sat down and thought about it, I could think of enough reasons to fill a book, on why the gay people are, just as, acceptable as the heterosexual couple.

Hating gays sort of goes against the only commandment given to us &quot;saved&quot; people in the new testament.  Since Jesus came to fulfill the law, he gave that commandment.  &quot;love your neighbor as yourself&quot;  Hate, for gays, has lead to the thought process in the opposition of their capacity to be good parents, ignoring the fact that two loving &quot;parents&quot; are in the child&#039;s life!

And it goes against the grain of loving your neighbor as yourself.  
If you actually did, you would not wish harm upon him.  Denying the couple the joy of children (ha ha--are they crazy?!?! No. Really! Just kidding!  I love my kids) is really abusive!

It is hard for me to judge gays, when &quot;illegal&quot; heterosexual and homosexual behavior has been rampant in the &quot;Church&quot; likely, for centuries!  Christians are supposed to know about that scripture , as well...&quot;Judge not lest you be judged&quot;

I worked with gay people and they never, ever were anything other than good people, who I considered a little weird (my heterosexual opinion obviously)  But good people, none the less!

Maybe I am just plain crazy, but the true meaning of Christianity does not seem to be represented by these &quot;righteous&quot; people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read all of what I have to say her.  It will confuse the &#8220;hell&#8221; out of you!  Maybe I am just crazy!</p>
<p>I feel I am a, very, conservative, Christian with charismatic beliefs.  What  I see with the above thing on gay adoption is a failure of self-righteous Christians.  And what do they have to be self-righteous about?!</p>
<p>*How many, heterosexual couples, do I know, that are in second marriages (strike one-no divorce among real Christians) that would be considered unfit parents by the church?  They have been sinning! Thus, broken the laws of God.  Are they not continuing to do so, since divorce and remarriage is not allowed (in strict sects)?  Is this any different than &#8220;illegal&#8221; than gay sex? </p>
<p>*How many &#8220;Christians&#8221; have sex out of wedlock, (strike two) before they become married the second or third time?  Are they, not also, unfit?  Did they not break the laws of God, like gays? </p>
<p>*How many, that live with a spouse, with their kids, under the same roof, before a second (or third or fourth) marriage (strike three-sex out of wedlock, again), that would be considered fit, by the church, to be adoptive parents?  Most all of them, of course!</p>
<p>*At least Arkansas (right there with Kentucky) did address the unmarried couple thing. But, how does this determine whether or not the unmarried couple won&#8217;t actually supply a better environment than two, lunatic type, custodians, who are married? Granted they are having sex out of wedlock, but so did, all of, the &#8220;Christian&#8221; people, described above!</p>
<p>* How many kids, raised in a homosexual, two parent, environment, turn out to be &#8220;normal&#8221; heterosexual people, when grown?  Most, I would dare to guess.  How many kids turnout to be homosexual, or bisexual, when raised by heterosexual parents?</p>
<p>I find it hard to oppose gay people, when, supposedly, Christian people are just as unrighteous as anyone else.  We are, allegedly, saved, not perfect!  I guess if I really sat down and thought about it, I could think of enough reasons to fill a book, on why the gay people are, just as, acceptable as the heterosexual couple.</p>
<p>Hating gays sort of goes against the only commandment given to us &#8220;saved&#8221; people in the new testament.  Since Jesus came to fulfill the law, he gave that commandment.  &#8220;love your neighbor as yourself&#8221;  Hate, for gays, has lead to the thought process in the opposition of their capacity to be good parents, ignoring the fact that two loving &#8220;parents&#8221; are in the child&#8217;s life!</p>
<p>And it goes against the grain of loving your neighbor as yourself.<br />
If you actually did, you would not wish harm upon him.  Denying the couple the joy of children (ha ha&#8211;are they crazy?!?! No. Really! Just kidding!  I love my kids) is really abusive!</p>
<p>It is hard for me to judge gays, when &#8220;illegal&#8221; heterosexual and homosexual behavior has been rampant in the &#8220;Church&#8221; likely, for centuries!  Christians are supposed to know about that scripture , as well&#8230;&#8221;Judge not lest you be judged&#8221;</p>
<p>I worked with gay people and they never, ever were anything other than good people, who I considered a little weird (my heterosexual opinion obviously)  But good people, none the less!</p>
<p>Maybe I am just plain crazy, but the true meaning of Christianity does not seem to be represented by these &#8220;righteous&#8221; people.</p>
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		<title>By: ShelbyC</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242828</link>
		<dc:creator>ShelbyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The research does NOT support the statement that straight couples are better parents than gay couples.&quot;  

I disagree with the law here, but do you really think it&#039;s possible to get accurate research on that subject in the current acedemic climate?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The research does NOT support the statement that straight couples are better parents than gay couples.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I disagree with the law here, but do you really think it&#8217;s possible to get accurate research on that subject in the current acedemic climate?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, gays and lesbians are considered unfit to adopt.  How soon will it be before gun owners, libertarians, or people who won&#039;t worship Obama are declared unfit parent?

Oh, wait, we already are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, gays and lesbians are considered unfit to adopt.  How soon will it be before gun owners, libertarians, or people who won&#8217;t worship Obama are declared unfit parent?</p>
<p>Oh, wait, we already are.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[QUOTE]You are misguided and angry about the wrong things. You should be frustrated that Brian Wiederspohn, a previously convicted and admitted felon and wife beater who was harboring another felon received compensation for assaulting a police officer. If given a story to believe, I would likely side with two peace officers rather than a convicted felon. [/QUOTE]

That comment below the news item sums up why cops continue to get away with their abuses.  Seems that &quot;convicted felons&quot; no longer have any civil rights that police or &quot;right-thinking people&quot; need regard.

It&#039;s only when the completely innocent (Mayor Calvo for example) get the asp up where the sun don&#039;t shine do people loudly object.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[QUOTE]You are misguided and angry about the wrong things. You should be frustrated that Brian Wiederspohn, a previously convicted and admitted felon and wife beater who was harboring another felon received compensation for assaulting a police officer. If given a story to believe, I would likely side with two peace officers rather than a convicted felon. [/QUOTE]</p>
<p>That comment below the news item sums up why cops continue to get away with their abuses.  Seems that &#8220;convicted felons&#8221; no longer have any civil rights that police or &#8220;right-thinking people&#8221; need regard.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only when the completely innocent (Mayor Calvo for example) get the asp up where the sun don&#8217;t shine do people loudly object.</p>
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		<title>By: Spleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;As you pointed out, kids tend to do best in families where they have a married mother and father. Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the fact that both men and women need the example of an active mother and father because there are things they need from both of them equally while growing up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;In that case, maybe we need to start taking children away from divorced parents, widows and widowers, and women who have children out of wedlock.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As you pointed out, kids tend to do best in families where they have a married mother and father. Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the fact that both men and women need the example of an active mother and father because there are things they need from both of them equally while growing up.</p></blockquote>
<p>In that case, maybe we need to start taking children away from divorced parents, widows and widowers, and women who have children out of wedlock.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Dread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade Dread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But are the idiots pushing this bill really trying to argue that Kentucky’s 7,000 foster kids are better off as wards of the state than in a loving family with gay parents? &lt;/i&gt;

Yes. 

I do think that a household with a loving mother and father are ideal, but less than ideal does not mean necessarily harmful. 

There are a lot of situations that are worse than being put into a home with two mommies or two daddies who wanted you, and belonging to the State and being shuffled around at their whim definitely qualifies as being a LOT worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But are the idiots pushing this bill really trying to argue that Kentucky’s 7,000 foster kids are better off as wards of the state than in a loving family with gay parents? </i></p>
<p>Yes. </p>
<p>I do think that a household with a loving mother and father are ideal, but less than ideal does not mean necessarily harmful. </p>
<p>There are a lot of situations that are worse than being put into a home with two mommies or two daddies who wanted you, and belonging to the State and being shuffled around at their whim definitely qualifies as being a LOT worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenny Zimmermann</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242774</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenny Zimmermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only problem I have is that the line &quot;is hating gay people more important than what’s best for these kids?&quot; creates a false dichotomy. It&#039;s like some Fox news pundit asking &quot;Do you love America or do you oppose the war in Iraq?&quot; In this case it&#039;s not necessarily (although it certainly could be) hatred of gay people as a motivating factor. I would say that in most cases, though, these folks really, truly believe that homosexuality is morally wrong, a mortal sin even. And as such they have a firm belief that a child raised in such an environment really would be absolutely worse off than if they had to be raised as wards of the state. Same thing could be said for some folks who would rather a child be raised by the state than by heterosexual parents who gamble, or use drugs or any other number of things such folks might consider morally objectionable. It really is on par, to them, with giving a child over to be raised by crack addicts or something.

I don&#039;t mean to say I agree with them at all, mind you, only that to their mind it is not about hating the &quot;sinner&quot; at all, but about hating the sin and not wanting to submit a child to that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only problem I have is that the line &#8220;is hating gay people more important than what’s best for these kids?&#8221; creates a false dichotomy. It&#8217;s like some Fox news pundit asking &#8220;Do you love America or do you oppose the war in Iraq?&#8221; In this case it&#8217;s not necessarily (although it certainly could be) hatred of gay people as a motivating factor. I would say that in most cases, though, these folks really, truly believe that homosexuality is morally wrong, a mortal sin even. And as such they have a firm belief that a child raised in such an environment really would be absolutely worse off than if they had to be raised as wards of the state. Same thing could be said for some folks who would rather a child be raised by the state than by heterosexual parents who gamble, or use drugs or any other number of things such folks might consider morally objectionable. It really is on par, to them, with giving a child over to be raised by crack addicts or something.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to say I agree with them at all, mind you, only that to their mind it is not about hating the &#8220;sinner&#8221; at all, but about hating the sin and not wanting to submit a child to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242766</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Trey Garrison story was infuriating. Equally infuriating was the fact that I didn&#039;t find it shocking, the Dallas Police acted exactly as I would have expected them to.

There are no good cops. There are bad cops, and there are good people that get weeded off the force.

We need transparency and liability. We need to remove incentives for arresting people and add incentives for being a beacon of ethical behavior.

Consider this: What if SWAT teams used a similar points system? They would be benefited by breaking down as many doors as possible and doing as many searches as possible, legal or not, and bringing as many cops along as possible to share the assists. To support the gravy train, their superiors would set up &#039;procedures&#039; and deflect suggestions of wrong doing from their officers. Sound familiar?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Trey Garrison story was infuriating. Equally infuriating was the fact that I didn&#8217;t find it shocking, the Dallas Police acted exactly as I would have expected them to.</p>
<p>There are no good cops. There are bad cops, and there are good people that get weeded off the force.</p>
<p>We need transparency and liability. We need to remove incentives for arresting people and add incentives for being a beacon of ethical behavior.</p>
<p>Consider this: What if SWAT teams used a similar points system? They would be benefited by breaking down as many doors as possible and doing as many searches as possible, legal or not, and bringing as many cops along as possible to share the assists. To support the gravy train, their superiors would set up &#8216;procedures&#8217; and deflect suggestions of wrong doing from their officers. Sound familiar?</p>
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		<title>By: getting sexual</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/18/morning-links-149/comment-page-1/#comment-242762</link>
		<dc:creator>getting sexual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Episiarch, I think we are talking about the &quot;ideal&quot; family unit -- Mother/Father married/committed.  I quote &quot;ideal&quot; because I think it has only become &quot;ideal&quot; in our particular culture.  The family units in many other countries I see as far more &quot;ideal&quot; -- mother/father married/committed PLUS extended family, grandfather/grandmother, aunts/uncles, cousins, etc. combined into a real &quot;ideal&quot; family unit.

This would provide plenty of influences for a child to identify with someone;  someone who, because of the closeness of the family unit, they can become intimately familiar with;  and role-model.  This is inherently difficult in same-sex couples when the child is opposite sex of the parents and REQUIRES the outside influences you speak of.

In the scenario you mentioned of two brothers raising children -- the child would also likely see their &quot;fathers&quot; interact with adult females, therefore the young child, (if a girl), could understand she has a place to enter into in her parents world when she is ready to &quot;grow up&quot;.  (Yet still, this scenario is no where close to &quot;ideal&quot;).

Early childhood development is an amazing topic.  The AFFECT we have anytime we interact with a child is HUGE.  One way or another, you are making a difference in that child&#039;s life.  Make it count!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Episiarch, I think we are talking about the &#8220;ideal&#8221; family unit &#8212; Mother/Father married/committed.  I quote &#8220;ideal&#8221; because I think it has only become &#8220;ideal&#8221; in our particular culture.  The family units in many other countries I see as far more &#8220;ideal&#8221; &#8212; mother/father married/committed PLUS extended family, grandfather/grandmother, aunts/uncles, cousins, etc. combined into a real &#8220;ideal&#8221; family unit.</p>
<p>This would provide plenty of influences for a child to identify with someone;  someone who, because of the closeness of the family unit, they can become intimately familiar with;  and role-model.  This is inherently difficult in same-sex couples when the child is opposite sex of the parents and REQUIRES the outside influences you speak of.</p>
<p>In the scenario you mentioned of two brothers raising children &#8212; the child would also likely see their &#8220;fathers&#8221; interact with adult females, therefore the young child, (if a girl), could understand she has a place to enter into in her parents world when she is ready to &#8220;grow up&#8221;.  (Yet still, this scenario is no where close to &#8220;ideal&#8221;).</p>
<p>Early childhood development is an amazing topic.  The AFFECT we have anytime we interact with a child is HUGE.  One way or another, you are making a difference in that child&#8217;s life.  Make it count!</p>
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