I don’t know whether the officers involved are deliberately engaged in such a conspiracy, but the overall effect is the same. I do wish more people would overtly refuse to deify government agents who are killed while behaving in reckless or otherwise unreasonable behavior. Det. Shivers was, at best, a reckless fool. More likely, he and other members of his department enjoy terrorizing people. Regardless, those in power clearly favor such reckless terror tactics.

louisa, I never really thought of that aspect, but I’m wondering now if that’s what is really going on with all these botched raids. How else do you explain the overwhelming senseless behavior, ineptness, and negligence that is going on today with so many botched and over zealous SWAT attacks on the citizenry? Is it all really a methodical plan to terrorize and psychologically destroy the “enemy” citizens of this nation? A way for “Big Brother” to keep us all in line with his agenda? It makes one wonder.
Or can SWAT cops and police departments really be this stupid? Either way it is pretty terrifying.

“There are very few exceptions to needing a warrant, hot pursuit being an obvious one.”

“Even when there’s a fugitive that they suspect of being somewhere, they can do the same. There was a case here last week where some guy in KC was arrested, but they were waiting for a warrant to search the house for stolen guns that they believed he had.”

Hot pursuit, danger to life or limb (this includes to the police), destruction of evidence, possible escape, and consent. Those are the only things that a warrant is not needed, although a court can say whatever reason fell into one of those categories.

Possible escape is what I’ll guess they are saying is the case in KC; although from reading that story it would be a weak excuse. Being a fugitive alone is not a reason for a warrant-less home entry they would need an arrest warrant.

One other thing you may want to know is that when police enter on exigent circumstances, that does not allow them to freely search your home. Only something that is in plain view would/should be allowed as evidence.

As an example someone calls 911 gives your address saying they heard you beating your wife. When the police arrive they hear what sounds like a fight. They knock on your door and you open it, but refuse to allow them in. Because of the 911 call, and the sounds, they would be like any reasonable person in believing there was a domestic disturbance happening, and would be able to enter your home to protect someone from further violence. They would be able to remove a spouse, and/or arrest a spouse for assault, but they would not be able to go into your bedroom and start rummaging through closets to look for contraband.

Mr. Brady is my new hero.

Because as a general rule, they operate on the idea that anyone accused is guilty based on nothing more than the accusation and they’re so far up the collective police ass that they don’t notice the smell anymore.

Yes lots of people will die, police and innocents alike. But then police will be clamoring for warrants first. It solves itself.

Even when there’s a fugitive that they suspect of being somewhere, they can do the same. There was a case here last week where some guy in KC was arrested, but they were waiting for a warrant to search the house for stolen guns that they believed he had.

Had that been the case here, they would have said “where is he?” or something like that. They didn’t. There’s no reason to believe it was a legal search.

I believe that is the case, but there is another detail to consider… crimes are considered cleared once an arrest is made and the case is turned over to the courts for prosecution.

… once an arrest is made and the case is turned over to the courts for prosecution.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_cleared/index.html

Not “After a LEGAL arrest is made”, not “After a suspect is proven guilty in a court of law”…

The more people you arrest, clogging the courts with junk cases, the more ‘crimes’ you clear. You could have the most pitiable case ever recorded, but as long as there is arrest and the suspect is turned over to the courts for prosecution, that counts as a crime cleared on your record.

Have you noticed what’s missing in these raids? Back in the day, you actually had to have your warrant on you when you knocked on the door.

Only in the most extreme case would police contain the suspects before showing the warrant.

Now, every case is a maximum overdrive assault where the ‘warrant’, even if it exists, isn’t shown unless the homeowner thinks to ask after having been brutalized.

Look at the Cheye Calvo case… those guys didn’t have a warrant with them. It was ‘en route’. 12 heavily armed men broke into a totally innocent man’s home with no warrant on them. The warrant was only delivered later, as an afterthought.

With virtually no transparancy, how do we know warrants aren’t obtained after the fact to justify fishing expeditions based on shoddy investigation?