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	<title>Comments on: Illinois Republican Liberty Caucus Coda</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: RLC-IL wounded while assaulting Radley Balko with Nerf hatchet &#171; The Quick and the Dead</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-242479</link>
		<dc:creator>RLC-IL wounded while assaulting Radley Balko with Nerf hatchet &#171; The Quick and the Dead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gene Koprowski is the culprit whose name needs to be immortalized. The RLC has made [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lunch Links — FR33 Agents</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-242146</link>
		<dc:creator>Lunch Links — FR33 Agents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Republican Liberty Caucus apologizes to Radley Balko for their Illinois chapter going rouge. No TweetBacks yet. (Be the first to Tweet this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bronwyn</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241951</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... there&#039;s more than one Gene Koprowski?

What&#039;re the chances?


I&#039;d have liked it better if you&#039;d received an apology from ol&#039; Gene. He should send you flowers, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; there&#8217;s more than one Gene Koprowski?</p>
<p>What&#8217;re the chances?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have liked it better if you&#8217;d received an apology from ol&#8217; Gene. He should send you flowers, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241902</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based upon where his latest crackpottery at Free Republic is originally posted, it looks as if &lt;a href=&quot;http://republicanlibertariancaucus.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gene has started his own blog&lt;/a&gt;, while continuing to use the RLC brand. He uses the name Publius there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based upon where his latest crackpottery at Free Republic is originally posted, it looks as if <a href="http://republicanlibertariancaucus.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Gene has started his own blog</a>, while continuing to use the RLC brand. He uses the name Publius there.</p>
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		<title>By: genekoprowskiisandrogynous</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241876</link>
		<dc:creator>genekoprowskiisandrogynous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is still posting at the FR today. Personally, i would have been embarassed and disappeared for a while, like forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is still posting at the FR today. Personally, i would have been embarassed and disappeared for a while, like forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241826</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynical, I have no idea what any of that means.

Censorship is when you stop people from speaking freely. That isn&#039;t what happened here. This guy is free to post under his own name either on FreeRepublic or in the comments sections of any of the sites we know he has visited (including this one). What he isn&#039;t free to do is post anonymously under the umbrella of a wider organisation who he claims to represent when they have decided that he doesn&#039;t.

It&#039;s straightforwardly not censorship. There&#039;s no grey area here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynical, I have no idea what any of that means.</p>
<p>Censorship is when you stop people from speaking freely. That isn&#8217;t what happened here. This guy is free to post under his own name either on FreeRepublic or in the comments sections of any of the sites we know he has visited (including this one). What he isn&#8217;t free to do is post anonymously under the umbrella of a wider organisation who he claims to represent when they have decided that he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s straightforwardly not censorship. There&#8217;s no grey area here.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did post a disclaimer, Bernard:

&quot;Far be for me to tell an ostensibly private organization how they should conduct their business,&quot;

The operative word, however, is &quot;ostensibly.&quot;  An organization called the REPUBLICAN Liberty Congress is not going to get much of a pass from me -- they are in league with the State, if not 100% part of it.

I agree with your example (again, as long as one suspends one&#039;s knowledge of how big business and government are partners (fascism)), but there is a fine line between legal censorship and censorship per se.  The attitude of suppression is still there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did post a disclaimer, Bernard:</p>
<p>&#8220;Far be for me to tell an ostensibly private organization how they should conduct their business,&#8221;</p>
<p>The operative word, however, is &#8220;ostensibly.&#8221;  An organization called the REPUBLICAN Liberty Congress is not going to get much of a pass from me &#8212; they are in league with the State, if not 100% part of it.</p>
<p>I agree with your example (again, as long as one suspends one&#8217;s knowledge of how big business and government are partners (fascism)), but there is a fine line between legal censorship and censorship per se.  The attitude of suppression is still there.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241807</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynic, restraining people with whacko ideologies from speaking in the name of a wider group is in no way censorship.

If a spokesman for Coca-cola (to pull an example out of the air) came out in an official press conference and told the world that he drank Pepsi and thought Coke was inferior they would rescind his employment and prevent hm speaking on their behalf within seconds and it wouldn&#039;t be censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynic, restraining people with whacko ideologies from speaking in the name of a wider group is in no way censorship.</p>
<p>If a spokesman for Coca-cola (to pull an example out of the air) came out in an official press conference and told the world that he drank Pepsi and thought Coke was inferior they would rescind his employment and prevent hm speaking on their behalf within seconds and it wouldn&#8217;t be censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241803</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct Holmes to Brandeis.  Ed.</description>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241800</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But it’s good to know that the RLC does still retain some love for the “L” part of the organization’s name.&quot;  Radley Balko

With statements like the following quotes from RLC members, dontcha just know they LOVE liberty:

&quot;Now that the matter is resolved and the offender has been restrained ...&quot;, Bill Westmiller, RLC National Chairman

&quot;His posting privileges have recently been suspended ...&quot; Aaron Biterman, Secretary, RLC

&quot;On behalf of RLC-IL let me offer my apologies for the former postings on our website, they have been removed....  Once I was alerted to what was going on I removed the material.&quot;  W. Guy Finley, Co-Coordinator, Republican Liberty Caucus - Ilinois

&quot;I’m told we’d shut them down if the national organization had control of the domain....&quot;  Chris Farris

Far be for me to tell an ostensibly private organization how they should conduct their business, but to me it appears that censorship, redaction and restricting free speech are not congruous with freedom.

I have come close to being banned here, but to his great credit, Radley Balko tolerates a very broad spectrum of comment.  And in fairness to the above parties, when attacks are personal or ad hominem, the line between censorship and civility is blurry.  Still, I can&#039;t help but think of Holmes&#039; opinion that the remedy for free speech is more free speech.

Or as Patton said, &quot;I love it when the Germans shoot at me.  Then I know where they are.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But it’s good to know that the RLC does still retain some love for the “L” part of the organization’s name.&#8221;  Radley Balko</p>
<p>With statements like the following quotes from RLC members, dontcha just know they LOVE liberty:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now that the matter is resolved and the offender has been restrained &#8230;&#8221;, Bill Westmiller, RLC National Chairman</p>
<p>&#8220;His posting privileges have recently been suspended &#8230;&#8221; Aaron Biterman, Secretary, RLC</p>
<p>&#8220;On behalf of RLC-IL let me offer my apologies for the former postings on our website, they have been removed&#8230;.  Once I was alerted to what was going on I removed the material.&#8221;  W. Guy Finley, Co-Coordinator, Republican Liberty Caucus &#8211; Ilinois</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m told we’d shut them down if the national organization had control of the domain&#8230;.&#8221;  Chris Farris</p>
<p>Far be for me to tell an ostensibly private organization how they should conduct their business, but to me it appears that censorship, redaction and restricting free speech are not congruous with freedom.</p>
<p>I have come close to being banned here, but to his great credit, Radley Balko tolerates a very broad spectrum of comment.  And in fairness to the above parties, when attacks are personal or ad hominem, the line between censorship and civility is blurry.  Still, I can&#8217;t help but think of Holmes&#8217; opinion that the remedy for free speech is more free speech.</p>
<p>Or as Patton said, &#8220;I love it when the Germans shoot at me.  Then I know where they are.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bobzbob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241786</link>
		<dc:creator>bobzbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And it’s good to know that Koprowski’s nuttery isn’t representative of the RLC.&quot;

Facts not in evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And it’s good to know that Koprowski’s nuttery isn’t representative of the RLC.&#8221;</p>
<p>Facts not in evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241766</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s it.  Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: MikeF</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241702</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think you should have Gene guest-blog here sometime. He’s clearly a brilliant satirist.&lt;/i&gt;

It would be like the Tyrone posts at Marginal Revolution, minus the funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think you should have Gene guest-blog here sometime. He’s clearly a brilliant satirist.</i></p>
<p>It would be like the Tyrone posts at Marginal Revolution, minus the funny.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should have Gene guest-blog here sometime.  He&#039;s clearly a brilliant satirist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should have Gene guest-blog here sometime.  He&#8217;s clearly a brilliant satirist.</p>
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		<title>By: anarch</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241686</link>
		<dc:creator>anarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Group hug!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Group hug!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241685</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankfully, we don&#039;t have any nut jobs.

*twitch twitch*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankfully, we don&#8217;t have any nut jobs.</p>
<p>*twitch twitch*</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241679</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who sent the message about Radley &quot;hacking&quot; their site?

Was it this &quot;puma&quot; character, or are there more nutcases over there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So who sent the message about Radley &#8220;hacking&#8221; their site?</p>
<p>Was it this &#8220;puma&#8221; character, or are there more nutcases over there?</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241676</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot about FReepers. Wow. Remember when it seemed like they owned the world, 2002-2003?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot about FReepers. Wow. Remember when it seemed like they owned the world, 2002-2003?</p>
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		<title>By: Jefferson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241674</link>
		<dc:creator>Jefferson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the RLC platform, there is quite a bit there for libertarians to like. I think the Koprophiliac is either too dense to get it or didn&#039;t bother thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the RLC platform, there is quite a bit there for libertarians to like. I think the Koprophiliac is either too dense to get it or didn&#8217;t bother thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/14/illinois-republican-liberty-caucus-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-241668</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be a spell cheka, and normally I give the benefit of the doubt to Radley since I assume he&#039;s busy and so types fast when he posts, but this one I think he should go back and correct: &quot;his barely intelligible posts ofer at Free Republic,&quot;.  It kind of makes me cringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be a spell cheka, and normally I give the benefit of the doubt to Radley since I assume he&#8217;s busy and so types fast when he posts, but this one I think he should go back and correct: &#8220;his barely intelligible posts ofer at Free Republic,&#8221;.  It kind of makes me cringe.</p>
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