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	<title>Comments on: Maryland Bill Would Bring Transparency to Use of SWAT Teams</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: chance</title>
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		<dc:creator>chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They’ve got a fucking database for everything under the sun about us, surely the code that runs one of those can be relatively easily re-purposed to this task. (In fact, as a software engineer, I know for a fact that it can.)&quot;

The best database(s) in the world is worthless if the people who are supposed to use it are untrained, incompetent, corrupt, or some combination of the three.  So while I trust your expertise that it technically can be done, I do not believe it can be done as a practical matter in most government organizations (and that&#039;s even if you assume no active opposition).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They’ve got a fucking database for everything under the sun about us, surely the code that runs one of those can be relatively easily re-purposed to this task. (In fact, as a software engineer, I know for a fact that it can.)&#8221;</p>
<p>The best database(s) in the world is worthless if the people who are supposed to use it are untrained, incompetent, corrupt, or some combination of the three.  So while I trust your expertise that it technically can be done, I do not believe it can be done as a practical matter in most government organizations (and that&#8217;s even if you assume no active opposition).</p>
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		<title>By: Don Tabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, its a start, but keep in mind that these raids are not always carried out by SWAT teams. 

The raid on Ryan Frederick&#039;s was carried out by the Special Investigations (drug) Unit. SWAT was only called out after Frederick was in custody. 

All forced entry search warrants should be fully transparent public record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, its a start, but keep in mind that these raids are not always carried out by SWAT teams. </p>
<p>The raid on Ryan Frederick&#8217;s was carried out by the Special Investigations (drug) Unit. SWAT was only called out after Frederick was in custody. </p>
<p>All forced entry search warrants should be fully transparent public record.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Commenters to the Washington Post article who appear to be police officers seem to be miffed at even this small bit of transparency.&quot;

What is it the filth and their apologists are always telling us?  &quot;If you&#039;ve nothing to hide, you&#039;ve nothing to fear.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Commenters to the Washington Post article who appear to be police officers seem to be miffed at even this small bit of transparency.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is it the filth and their apologists are always telling us?  &#8220;If you&#8217;ve nothing to hide, you&#8217;ve nothing to fear.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Willinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 05:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where exactly is Obama on this?

What about a Presidential directive?

http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-hopefully-on-police-reckless.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where exactly is Obama on this?</p>
<p>What about a Presidential directive?</p>
<p><a href="http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-hopefully-on-police-reckless.html" rel="nofollow">http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-hopefully-on-police-reckless.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tough on crime and law-and-order are usually code phrases for “the ends justify the means if it leaves me feeling safe.” &lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s worse than that.  Those are phrases used by totalitarian anarchists to justify policies that favor real criminals and promote chaos (which can then be used as a basis to escalate the policies that are causing problems in the first place).

Good people should insist upon law and order.  Law and order are not served, however, by allowing government agents to flout the law in the name of &#039;enforcing&#039; it.

It used to be that peace officers and rev&#039;nooers were regarded as having separate jobs.  We need to return to those days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Tough on crime and law-and-order are usually code phrases for “the ends justify the means if it leaves me feeling safe.” </i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s worse than that.  Those are phrases used by totalitarian anarchists to justify policies that favor real criminals and promote chaos (which can then be used as a basis to escalate the policies that are causing problems in the first place).</p>
<p>Good people should insist upon law and order.  Law and order are not served, however, by allowing government agents to flout the law in the name of &#8216;enforcing&#8217; it.</p>
<p>It used to be that peace officers and rev&#8217;nooers were regarded as having separate jobs.  We need to return to those days.</p>
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		<title>By: ceanf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceanf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shay, i am with you on finding another country to call home. and fairly soon if things start rolling down the hill faster. but the problem is, where?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shay, i am with you on finding another country to call home. and fairly soon if things start rolling down the hill faster. but the problem is, where?</p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police spokesman (Jack Crimmins comes to mind): “This legislation will jeopardize the lives of police officers!”

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And as we alll know, the police officers&#039; lives are much more important and valuable than any of us inconsequential non LE citizens. 
I am glad that MD is making a move on this legislation but after the devastating Ryan Frederick verdict and because of  a  botched SWAT situation that a loved one of mine has been a victim of, I am losing hope that anything will get better.....I just might want to look for another country to call home.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police spokesman (Jack Crimmins comes to mind): “This legislation will jeopardize the lives of police officers!”</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;<br />
And as we alll know, the police officers&#8217; lives are much more important and valuable than any of us inconsequential non LE citizens.<br />
I am glad that MD is making a move on this legislation but after the devastating Ryan Frederick verdict and because of  a  botched SWAT situation that a loved one of mine has been a victim of, I am losing hope that anything will get better&#8230;..I just might want to look for another country to call home.  :(</p>
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		<title>By: freedomfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>freedomfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 10:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In cases where a raid resulted in no charges, the warrants are actually often thrown out. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I hate to point out the obvious, but as someone to whom this was news, this is absolutely outrageous. If I read that correctly, the implication is that there is a deliberate policy of destroying records of law enforcement&#039;s actions in the cases when it is most likely to have screwed up. That&#039;s when records are most important. 

I&#039;m sorry - because I really do like to think that &lt;em&gt;most&lt;/em&gt; law enforcement is at least well-intended - but purging, the official documentation of actions known to be embarrassing absolutely &lt;em&gt;reeks&lt;/em&gt; of corruption. I would love to hear a LE representative justify this obscene policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In cases where a raid resulted in no charges, the warrants are actually often thrown out. </p></blockquote>
<p>I hate to point out the obvious, but as someone to whom this was news, this is absolutely outrageous. If I read that correctly, the implication is that there is a deliberate policy of destroying records of law enforcement&#8217;s actions in the cases when it is most likely to have screwed up. That&#8217;s when records are most important. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry &#8211; because I really do like to think that <em>most</em> law enforcement is at least well-intended &#8211; but purging, the official documentation of actions known to be embarrassing absolutely <em>reeks</em> of corruption. I would love to hear a LE representative justify this obscene policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 05:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike T @ #26

You nailed it.

I think what has been the most disappointing thing for me over the years is how the notion of personal responsibility has been denigrated on both the (conventional) left and right. The conventional left is willing to excuse any failure or evil committed by those they deem &quot;victims&quot;; the conventional right is willing to excuse any failure or evil committed in the name of &quot;morality&quot; or &quot;order.&quot;

I think there is hope: I look at the fact that a majority of the public apparently opposes both the bailout and the heavy-handed enforcement of the marijuana laws. 

I think the internet has just begun to empower those opposed to such nonsense. In the past, the arguments for freedom were not part of the political discourse and no one challenged the right of those in government to make decisions for us.

Maybe I am over-optimistic, but giving up is not an option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike T @ #26</p>
<p>You nailed it.</p>
<p>I think what has been the most disappointing thing for me over the years is how the notion of personal responsibility has been denigrated on both the (conventional) left and right. The conventional left is willing to excuse any failure or evil committed by those they deem &#8220;victims&#8221;; the conventional right is willing to excuse any failure or evil committed in the name of &#8220;morality&#8221; or &#8220;order.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there is hope: I look at the fact that a majority of the public apparently opposes both the bailout and the heavy-handed enforcement of the marijuana laws. </p>
<p>I think the internet has just begun to empower those opposed to such nonsense. In the past, the arguments for freedom were not part of the political discourse and no one challenged the right of those in government to make decisions for us.</p>
<p>Maybe I am over-optimistic, but giving up is not an option.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 04:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
It must be individuals who accept responsibility for accountability of State agents, most effectively by eliminating them peacefully.

The means of this elimination is by refusing to cooperate with the State and instead cooperating, without force, with one another.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is deeper than that. You must accept a deeper philosophy and understanding of morality than following whatever the law says you ought to do. You must also assert this in defense of your neighbor against the corrupt in the system. That means that if you are selected for a jury in the case of a man like Ryan Frederick, you lie your way onto the jury, play stupid and nullify.

I can&#039;t speak for the secular Agitator readers, but as a Christian, I could sleep peacefully at night and stand before God feeling justified for doing that. Lying to protect your neighbor from the predation of evil men is always morally justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
It must be individuals who accept responsibility for accountability of State agents, most effectively by eliminating them peacefully.</p>
<p>The means of this elimination is by refusing to cooperate with the State and instead cooperating, without force, with one another.
</p></blockquote>
<p>It is deeper than that. You must accept a deeper philosophy and understanding of morality than following whatever the law says you ought to do. You must also assert this in defense of your neighbor against the corrupt in the system. That means that if you are selected for a jury in the case of a man like Ryan Frederick, you lie your way onto the jury, play stupid and nullify.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for the secular Agitator readers, but as a Christian, I could sleep peacefully at night and stand before God feeling justified for doing that. Lying to protect your neighbor from the predation of evil men is always morally justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 04:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
What will disappoint (but not surprise) me will be the politicians and so-called “tough on crime” types who will buy into the spurious reasons which will no doubt be put out to oppose transparency.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tough on crime and law-and-order are usually code phrases for &quot;the ends justify the means if it leaves me feeling safe.&quot; To those of us who are actually conservative on justice and the rule of law, they are cretins who would gladly sacrifice the rule of law and the pursuit of justice to feel safe.</description>
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What will disappoint (but not surprise) me will be the politicians and so-called “tough on crime” types who will buy into the spurious reasons which will no doubt be put out to oppose transparency.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Tough on crime and law-and-order are usually code phrases for &#8220;the ends justify the means if it leaves me feeling safe.&#8221; To those of us who are actually conservative on justice and the rule of law, they are cretins who would gladly sacrifice the rule of law and the pursuit of justice to feel safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultrasaur Verifiable Records</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultrasaur Verifiable Records</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 03:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Radly Balko, apparently SWAT Teams keep poor records: &#8220;In cases where a raid resulted in no charges, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Whim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bane of Police Misconduct:

The Cell Phone Camera.

Why ELSE do the police now want Cell Phone JAMMERS??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bane of Police Misconduct:</p>
<p>The Cell Phone Camera.</p>
<p>Why ELSE do the police now want Cell Phone JAMMERS??</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 &#124;  Aresen &#124;  February 6th, 2009 at 2:43 pm 
&quot;@Z # 8 You may well be right.  But having at least a requirement for modest accountability is better than no accountability at all.&quot;

Please permit me to disagree, Aresen.

There already is a moral requirement for modest accountability without the need for a legal requirement.

A legal requirement for modest accountability ignored is worse than no accountability because it destroys respect for and substance of law.  It fosters chaos.

The root problem is not that there is no requirement for accountability, it is that individuals delegate to and accept State responsibility for holding its own agents accountable.  This is an obvious paradox.

It must be individuals who accept responsibility for accountability of State agents, most effectively by eliminating them peacefully.

The means of this elimination is by refusing to cooperate with the State and instead cooperating, without force, with one another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 |  Aresen |  February 6th, 2009 at 2:43 pm<br />
&#8220;@Z # 8 You may well be right.  But having at least a requirement for modest accountability is better than no accountability at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please permit me to disagree, Aresen.</p>
<p>There already is a moral requirement for modest accountability without the need for a legal requirement.</p>
<p>A legal requirement for modest accountability ignored is worse than no accountability because it destroys respect for and substance of law.  It fosters chaos.</p>
<p>The root problem is not that there is no requirement for accountability, it is that individuals delegate to and accept State responsibility for holding its own agents accountable.  This is an obvious paradox.</p>
<p>It must be individuals who accept responsibility for accountability of State agents, most effectively by eliminating them peacefully.</p>
<p>The means of this elimination is by refusing to cooperate with the State and instead cooperating, without force, with one another.</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20 Mrs. C:
Thank you for contributing, and I&#039;m so sorry for your loss.  It shouldn&#039;t be this way, and if people like you who have been vicitimized, and people like me who know the system, work together, I know we can prevail.  Let&#039;s do it for Sal, and all the others who have paid the price for heavy-handed and incompetent government policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20 Mrs. C:<br />
Thank you for contributing, and I&#8217;m so sorry for your loss.  It shouldn&#8217;t be this way, and if people like you who have been vicitimized, and people like me who know the system, work together, I know we can prevail.  Let&#8217;s do it for Sal, and all the others who have paid the price for heavy-handed and incompetent government policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a certified Ouija Board Operator and Astrologer, I demand recognition of my capacities as a Forensic Scientist. ;)</description>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What will disappoint (but not surprise) me will be the politicians and so-called “tough on crime” types who will buy into the spurious reasons which will no doubt be put out to oppose transparency...&lt;/i&gt;

I wish people who favor law and order could somehow be made to realize that the totalitarian anarchists who infest government support neither law nor order.  The totalitarian anarchists view violent criminals as friends and allies, at least as long as the criminals choose their targets properly.  After all, if there weren&#039;t any crime, the totalitarian anarchists wouldn&#039;t be able to argue for increased powers to &quot;fight&quot; it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What will disappoint (but not surprise) me will be the politicians and so-called “tough on crime” types who will buy into the spurious reasons which will no doubt be put out to oppose transparency&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I wish people who favor law and order could somehow be made to realize that the totalitarian anarchists who infest government support neither law nor order.  The totalitarian anarchists view violent criminals as friends and allies, at least as long as the criminals choose their targets properly.  After all, if there weren&#8217;t any crime, the totalitarian anarchists wouldn&#8217;t be able to argue for increased powers to &#8220;fight&#8221; it.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>//Much the same way they do with “no knock” vs. “knock and announce”, they’ll have all the trappings of a SWAT raid with some superficial change and just classify it differently.//

IMHO, real SWAT teams pose less of a danger to people&#039;s security than the use of semi-dynamic entry by non-SWAT teams.  Legislators need to spell out, in plain terms, that 

(1) Cops have a duty to minimize damage or risk to persons and property.  While some damage or risk may be necessary or unavoidable, cops must offer a clear and logical justification for any significant damage or risk they impose.

(2) Upon the request of a person being prosecuted or sued by the state, jurors shall be instructed to determine whether a cops&#039; judgment regarding &#039;necessary&#039; damage was reasonable.  More precisely, they shall determine whether a reasonable person in the cops&#039; situation could have believed his actions would minimize risk and harm to persons and property.  Searches that are not conducted in reasonable fashion shall be construed as unreasonable, and jurors shall be instructed not to construe any evidence resulting from them in any manner adverse to the person whose property was unreasonably searched.

(3) A cop or other state agent whose conduct in a search or seizure demonstrates wanton disregard for the duties in (1) shall be deemed to be a rogue cop acting without authority.  Free people shall have the same right to resist the actions of a rogue cop as they would have to resist similar actions by any other typical person.  If a typical person who performs a certain action would thereby forfeit the right of self-defense, a rogue cop who does likewise would similarly forfeit such right.

(4) If a person claims to have acted in self-defense against a rogue cop, the claim shall be accepted if either: (a) the cop was demonstrating wanton disregard for his duties in (1), or (b) the person could not have reasonably believed that the cop was not demonstrating wanton disregard for such duties.

(5) Rogue cops should be prosecuted for any actions which would not be legal if they were not cops.

(6) Cops who force entry into a dwelling without having first either made a bona fide effort to be admitted or establishing a solid reason not to make such effort shall be presumed to be acting with wanton disregard for their duties.

A bit long-winded perhaps, but the basic notion should be that if people want to be treated like peace officers, they need to act like peace officers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//Much the same way they do with “no knock” vs. “knock and announce”, they’ll have all the trappings of a SWAT raid with some superficial change and just classify it differently.//</p>
<p>IMHO, real SWAT teams pose less of a danger to people&#8217;s security than the use of semi-dynamic entry by non-SWAT teams.  Legislators need to spell out, in plain terms, that </p>
<p>(1) Cops have a duty to minimize damage or risk to persons and property.  While some damage or risk may be necessary or unavoidable, cops must offer a clear and logical justification for any significant damage or risk they impose.</p>
<p>(2) Upon the request of a person being prosecuted or sued by the state, jurors shall be instructed to determine whether a cops&#8217; judgment regarding &#8216;necessary&#8217; damage was reasonable.  More precisely, they shall determine whether a reasonable person in the cops&#8217; situation could have believed his actions would minimize risk and harm to persons and property.  Searches that are not conducted in reasonable fashion shall be construed as unreasonable, and jurors shall be instructed not to construe any evidence resulting from them in any manner adverse to the person whose property was unreasonably searched.</p>
<p>(3) A cop or other state agent whose conduct in a search or seizure demonstrates wanton disregard for the duties in (1) shall be deemed to be a rogue cop acting without authority.  Free people shall have the same right to resist the actions of a rogue cop as they would have to resist similar actions by any other typical person.  If a typical person who performs a certain action would thereby forfeit the right of self-defense, a rogue cop who does likewise would similarly forfeit such right.</p>
<p>(4) If a person claims to have acted in self-defense against a rogue cop, the claim shall be accepted if either: (a) the cop was demonstrating wanton disregard for his duties in (1), or (b) the person could not have reasonably believed that the cop was not demonstrating wanton disregard for such duties.</p>
<p>(5) Rogue cops should be prosecuted for any actions which would not be legal if they were not cops.</p>
<p>(6) Cops who force entry into a dwelling without having first either made a bona fide effort to be admitted or establishing a solid reason not to make such effort shall be presumed to be acting with wanton disregard for their duties.</p>
<p>A bit long-winded perhaps, but the basic notion should be that if people want to be treated like peace officers, they need to act like peace officers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. C</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/06/maryland-bill-would-bring-transparency-to-use-of-swat-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-238835</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter...if Mr. Calvo...was a proponent...of SWAT...prior to his incident...because if SWAT teams....were used...in the way...they were intended to be used...there would be no issue.  

It is when they are recklessly given free reign...in situations where they most certainly...should not be used...that these over the top...excessive force tragedies occur.

I visit my son...at his resting place...thanks to them...so I also know...pain...grief...and...injustice.

I understand the disbelief...and frustration...at what can be gotten away with...by them.
 
I admire Mr. Calvo...he is...a very decent human being...and  knowing better now...what can happen...he is...taking the steps...to be a part of the solution.  He has integrity.  It is not easy to go up against law enforcement.

I pray that...Mr. Calvo is successful...in his endeavor...it is a start.

www.justiceforsal.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter&#8230;if Mr. Calvo&#8230;was a proponent&#8230;of SWAT&#8230;prior to his incident&#8230;because if SWAT teams&#8230;.were used&#8230;in the way&#8230;they were intended to be used&#8230;there would be no issue.  </p>
<p>It is when they are recklessly given free reign&#8230;in situations where they most certainly&#8230;should not be used&#8230;that these over the top&#8230;excessive force tragedies occur.</p>
<p>I visit my son&#8230;at his resting place&#8230;thanks to them&#8230;so I also know&#8230;pain&#8230;grief&#8230;and&#8230;injustice.</p>
<p>I understand the disbelief&#8230;and frustration&#8230;at what can be gotten away with&#8230;by them.</p>
<p>I admire Mr. Calvo&#8230;he is&#8230;a very decent human being&#8230;and  knowing better now&#8230;what can happen&#8230;he is&#8230;taking the steps&#8230;to be a part of the solution.  He has integrity.  It is not easy to go up against law enforcement.</p>
<p>I pray that&#8230;Mr. Calvo is successful&#8230;in his endeavor&#8230;it is a start.</p>
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		<title>By: fwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even better would be to outlaw all nightime raids, all no knock raids, require that an officer be assaulted and injured first BEFORE shootin dogs.

It was widely recognized in the 19th century that many of the warrants in use today were unconstitutional, violating the 4th amendment.  AND since the suspect is only a suspect, the government has an obligation NOT to cause any undue harm to the suspect&#039;s reputation, property, or person until conviction occurs, meaning the warrant should be served with a minimum of fanfare.  See Cooley on the Constitution for more.

Dominus providebit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even better would be to outlaw all nightime raids, all no knock raids, require that an officer be assaulted and injured first BEFORE shootin dogs.</p>
<p>It was widely recognized in the 19th century that many of the warrants in use today were unconstitutional, violating the 4th amendment.  AND since the suspect is only a suspect, the government has an obligation NOT to cause any undue harm to the suspect&#8217;s reputation, property, or person until conviction occurs, meaning the warrant should be served with a minimum of fanfare.  See Cooley on the Constitution for more.</p>
<p>Dominus providebit!</p>
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