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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Rechtsgleichheit ist ein Märchen &#124; ars libertatis</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/05/another-isolated-incident-w-puppycide/comment-page-2/#comment-267550</link>
		<dc:creator>Rechtsgleichheit ist ein Märchen &#124; ars libertatis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] man may be on death row, and drug warriors keep knocking down doors. [&#8617;]Radley Balko - Another Isolated Incident (w/ Puppycide) [&#8617;]Stephen Littau - A Tale of Two Drug Raids [&#8617;]nzz - Wenn die Polizei Informationen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] man may be on death row, and drug warriors keep knocking down doors. [&#8617;]Radley Balko &#8211; Another Isolated Incident (w/ Puppycide) [&#8617;]Stephen Littau &#8211; A Tale of Two Drug Raids [&#8617;]nzz &#8211; Wenn die Polizei Informationen [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/05/another-isolated-incident-w-puppycide/comment-page-2/#comment-239846</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  First time for everything.

It occurred to me that you don&#039;t even need to put a real bulletproof vest on your dog.  It just needs to look like one to get the conversation started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  First time for everything.</p>
<p>It occurred to me that you don&#8217;t even need to put a real bulletproof vest on your dog.  It just needs to look like one to get the conversation started.</p>
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		<title>By: old</title>
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		<dc:creator>old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#60 &#124;   Cynical In CA &#124;  February 9th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

&lt;i&gt;Not sure you’ll read this old, but OK, you sold me on the idea.&lt;/i&gt;

Holy Christ!  Did the internet just work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#60 |   Cynical In CA |  February 9th, 2009 at 5:03 pm</p>
<p><i>Not sure you’ll read this old, but OK, you sold me on the idea.</i></p>
<p>Holy Christ!  Did the internet just work?</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure you&#039;ll read this old, but OK, you sold me on the idea.  It&#039;s expensive though.  Not sure how many dog owners would splurge.  Comes down to how pervasive the threat is, how it is perceived by the public.

The followup unintended consequence of guard dogs (especially, but of course non-guard dogs could wear them too) wearing bulletproof vests would be legislation promoted by police unions outlawing this on the basis that it would threaten officers&#039; safety in dangerous situations.

Of course, I am all in favor of police being as vulnerable as possible -- just outlining where I think this would go given society&#039;s perverse priorities and top-down social order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure you&#8217;ll read this old, but OK, you sold me on the idea.  It&#8217;s expensive though.  Not sure how many dog owners would splurge.  Comes down to how pervasive the threat is, how it is perceived by the public.</p>
<p>The followup unintended consequence of guard dogs (especially, but of course non-guard dogs could wear them too) wearing bulletproof vests would be legislation promoted by police unions outlawing this on the basis that it would threaten officers&#8217; safety in dangerous situations.</p>
<p>Of course, I am all in favor of police being as vulnerable as possible &#8212; just outlining where I think this would go given society&#8217;s perverse priorities and top-down social order.</p>
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		<title>By: old</title>
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		<dc:creator>old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#56 &#124;   Cynical In CA &#124;  February 6th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

&lt;i&gt;Thanks for the feedback, old. It surely is a sign of the times that it appears you are advocating private citizens equipping their dogs with bullet-proof vests! My opinion is that it’s totally unfeasible and undesirable (forgive me if you were being hyperbolic, it’s hard to tell sometimes).&lt;/i&gt;

I am advocating exactly that.  If enough dog owners were walking their dogs, and the dog was wearing a bulletproof vest, with lettering that spelled it out, and enough people asked the dog owner, &quot;Why the vest?&quot; and the dog owner could reply &quot;Did you know police shot x number of dogs last year alone?&quot;  Something along those lines.  Get the conversation going, then get into no-knock warrents served on wrong houses where the dog was shot, or the right houses, where the dog was shot.  I am not saying it would work, but it might get a conversation going at the dog park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#56 |   Cynical In CA |  February 6th, 2009 at 12:52 pm</p>
<p><i>Thanks for the feedback, old. It surely is a sign of the times that it appears you are advocating private citizens equipping their dogs with bullet-proof vests! My opinion is that it’s totally unfeasible and undesirable (forgive me if you were being hyperbolic, it’s hard to tell sometimes).</i></p>
<p>I am advocating exactly that.  If enough dog owners were walking their dogs, and the dog was wearing a bulletproof vest, with lettering that spelled it out, and enough people asked the dog owner, &#8220;Why the vest?&#8221; and the dog owner could reply &#8220;Did you know police shot x number of dogs last year alone?&#8221;  Something along those lines.  Get the conversation going, then get into no-knock warrents served on wrong houses where the dog was shot, or the right houses, where the dog was shot.  I am not saying it would work, but it might get a conversation going at the dog park.</p>
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		<title>By: Intelligenstest för poliser &#124; Sänd mina rötter regn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intelligenstest för poliser &#124; Sänd mina rötter regn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 08:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] isolated incident&#8221; som handlar om s.k. no-knock raids som på något vis gått fel. Här är den senaste. Det syftar förstås på att någon gång blir enskilda händelser till ett [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] isolated incident&#8221; som handlar om s.k. no-knock raids som på något vis gått fel. Här är den senaste. Det syftar förstås på att någon gång blir enskilda händelser till ett [...]</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...and to stop demonizing people merely because of differences in philosophy as a result of working with people in the ACLU.&lt;/i&gt;

The cases of Cory Maye and Ryan Frederick represented gross violations of civil rights.  Do you think the ACLU cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;and to stop demonizing people merely because of differences in philosophy as a result of working with people in the ACLU.</i></p>
<p>The cases of Cory Maye and Ryan Frederick represented gross violations of civil rights.  Do you think the ACLU cares?</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback, old.  It surely is a sign of the times that it appears you are advocating private citizens equipping their dogs with bullet-proof vests!  My opinion is that it&#039;s totally unfeasible and undesirable (forgive me if you were being hyperbolic, it&#039;s hard to tell sometimes).

A little disclosure: I am not nor have ever been a dog owner, so I am not particularly inclined to dedicate a significant part of my life to creating the organization I have conceived.  I am suspicious of established organizations like PETA -- they are institutions and exist to serve themselves first, then their members.

My latest wrinkle is to involve schoolchildren in a kind of Children&#039;s Crusade (with a happier outcome), a reverse DARE program where the kids go to police stations and ask officers all sorts of uncomfortable questions about why police shoot dogs who aren&#039;t hurting anyone and are no threat, why police don&#039;t employ safer means of arresting suspects than breaking down doors of private residences where dogs are likely to be, etc.  I am fearful that I would be labeled an exploiter of children, though, and I don&#039;t want the headache.

I still believe police officers are human beings with consciences, and imagining the emotional impact on an officer of a child asking such simple questions, I can&#039;t help but be optimistic that more than a few minds might be changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback, old.  It surely is a sign of the times that it appears you are advocating private citizens equipping their dogs with bullet-proof vests!  My opinion is that it&#8217;s totally unfeasible and undesirable (forgive me if you were being hyperbolic, it&#8217;s hard to tell sometimes).</p>
<p>A little disclosure: I am not nor have ever been a dog owner, so I am not particularly inclined to dedicate a significant part of my life to creating the organization I have conceived.  I am suspicious of established organizations like PETA &#8212; they are institutions and exist to serve themselves first, then their members.</p>
<p>My latest wrinkle is to involve schoolchildren in a kind of Children&#8217;s Crusade (with a happier outcome), a reverse DARE program where the kids go to police stations and ask officers all sorts of uncomfortable questions about why police shoot dogs who aren&#8217;t hurting anyone and are no threat, why police don&#8217;t employ safer means of arresting suspects than breaking down doors of private residences where dogs are likely to be, etc.  I am fearful that I would be labeled an exploiter of children, though, and I don&#8217;t want the headache.</p>
<p>I still believe police officers are human beings with consciences, and imagining the emotional impact on an officer of a child asking such simple questions, I can&#8217;t help but be optimistic that more than a few minds might be changed.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know (unless something has changed) it is illegal in Maryland to shoot a dog, unless it&#039;s chasing deer...

I know this is a stretch of an overactive imagination, but aren&#039;t the police subject to the law, just like the rest of us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know (unless something has changed) it is illegal in Maryland to shoot a dog, unless it&#8217;s chasing deer&#8230;</p>
<p>I know this is a stretch of an overactive imagination, but aren&#8217;t the police subject to the law, just like the rest of us?</p>
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		<title>By: Dobie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dog charging a gaggle of assholes entering HIS territory, and acting like, well, assholes, is doing his job.  A little pepper spray would put him on the ground/floor and no harm done.

Even without killing yet another of man&#039;s best friends, this still pisses me off.  Not much doubt why the approval rating of cops, in general, is in the same neighborhood as congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dog charging a gaggle of assholes entering HIS territory, and acting like, well, assholes, is doing his job.  A little pepper spray would put him on the ground/floor and no harm done.</p>
<p>Even without killing yet another of man&#8217;s best friends, this still pisses me off.  Not much doubt why the approval rating of cops, in general, is in the same neighborhood as congress.</p>
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		<title>By: old</title>
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		<dc:creator>old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28 &#124;   Cynical In CA &#124;  February 5th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
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&lt;i&gt;Well, there’s my time-worn idea of a national organization of dog owners with the sole focus to reach out to local police departments so as to educate LEOs and dog owners on how to peacefully coexist. What do you think, Jefferson? The major drawback identified so far (by JJ, thank you) is that the costs to the individual members outweight the benefit of collective action.&lt;/i&gt;

You might try to get PETA and Ben Roethlisberger on board.  PETA is looking to do something with, or to, the NFL since Michael Vick to increase their profile, and Roethlisberger buys bullet proof jackets for police dogs.  Also, the Animal Planet people, and anybody that owns a dog.  I don&#039;t know how much a bullet proof jacket for a dog costs, but with all the purchases it would have to drive the price down after awhile.

I am no master tactician, but if I know the guy owns a gun, and think he might have stolen another gun, I would probably follow him to work the next morning, watch him go into work, see if it looks like he is strapped, if no, go in talk to the person in charge, get that person to call the guy over and slap the cuffs on him then.  If he runs, then you have the guys in the SWAT van chase him.  If he doesn&#039;t run, you serve the warrent, and go search his house.

I saw a commercial on Spike TV the other day for a show where they follow D.E.A. agents in New Jersey, and I thought I bet this shows up on The Agitator sometime.  Watch Spike for twenty or thirty minutes sometime today, and I guarantee you will see the commercial.  It is the perfect accompaniment to all these stories.

I would also like to echo the comment that this series of articles could be a book.  Hell, you could have a book for each year, because it will be difficult to find a cut off date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 |   Cynical In CA |  February 5th, 2009 at 3:10 pm<br />
&#8230;<br />
<i>Well, there’s my time-worn idea of a national organization of dog owners with the sole focus to reach out to local police departments so as to educate LEOs and dog owners on how to peacefully coexist. What do you think, Jefferson? The major drawback identified so far (by JJ, thank you) is that the costs to the individual members outweight the benefit of collective action.</i></p>
<p>You might try to get PETA and Ben Roethlisberger on board.  PETA is looking to do something with, or to, the NFL since Michael Vick to increase their profile, and Roethlisberger buys bullet proof jackets for police dogs.  Also, the Animal Planet people, and anybody that owns a dog.  I don&#8217;t know how much a bullet proof jacket for a dog costs, but with all the purchases it would have to drive the price down after awhile.</p>
<p>I am no master tactician, but if I know the guy owns a gun, and think he might have stolen another gun, I would probably follow him to work the next morning, watch him go into work, see if it looks like he is strapped, if no, go in talk to the person in charge, get that person to call the guy over and slap the cuffs on him then.  If he runs, then you have the guys in the SWAT van chase him.  If he doesn&#8217;t run, you serve the warrent, and go search his house.</p>
<p>I saw a commercial on Spike TV the other day for a show where they follow D.E.A. agents in New Jersey, and I thought I bet this shows up on The Agitator sometime.  Watch Spike for twenty or thirty minutes sometime today, and I guarantee you will see the commercial.  It is the perfect accompaniment to all these stories.</p>
<p>I would also like to echo the comment that this series of articles could be a book.  Hell, you could have a book for each year, because it will be difficult to find a cut off date.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a damned shame the homeowner didn&#039;t waste every member of the SWAT team.  The only thing that is going to stop these attacks is the probability of every member of the entry team being taken away in a body bag when one of these raids is carried out.

It should give law enforcement leadership pause when the most law abiding and formerly unquestioningly supportive among the populace starts hoping to see them die in great number.  If those citizens see you as being evil and engaging in evil maybe you should stop and reexamine what you&#039;re doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a damned shame the homeowner didn&#8217;t waste every member of the SWAT team.  The only thing that is going to stop these attacks is the probability of every member of the entry team being taken away in a body bag when one of these raids is carried out.</p>
<p>It should give law enforcement leadership pause when the most law abiding and formerly unquestioningly supportive among the populace starts hoping to see them die in great number.  If those citizens see you as being evil and engaging in evil maybe you should stop and reexamine what you&#8217;re doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinandpuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Step #1-Batter door.

Step #2-Throw frisbee.

Step #3-Arrest suspect.

Step #4-Go home and beat wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Step #1-Batter door.</p>
<p>Step #2-Throw frisbee.</p>
<p>Step #3-Arrest suspect.</p>
<p>Step #4-Go home and beat wife.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of a picture I&#039;d seen many years ago of a well-dressed gentleman sitting in a chair at an outdoor cafe, legs casually crossed as he held a drink in one hand and a cigar in the other. It was in Munich, I believe. A study in elegance in repose. Behind him was a small group of soldiers (no doubt &quot;our boys&quot;) goosestepping in the background. How beautiful and orderly the world looked in the spring of &#039;38.

 If any serious and well-grounded person ridicules the idea that America may become a police state in the near future, do not waste another breath discussing the matter with them. America is *already* a police state; a largely &quot;friendly&quot; and benign one at this point, but a police state nonetheless.

 Hannah Arendt points out in her seminal work _The Origins of Totalitarianism_ that one of the hallmarks of a burgeoning totalitarian regime is numerous overlapping security and intelligence organizations. Radley does outstanding work here highlighting the ongoing militarization of the police, but we should also note the &quot;policification&quot; of the military; abroad they are used for nation-building, and domestically for &quot;civil emergencies&quot;. Attendant to that is the collusion and cooperation between the two, as well.

 Collectivism changes different aspects of its outward appearance such that we differentiate and isolate its various forms with few able to note the underlying structure. Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism seem locked in a distinct, distant past, and associations between those well-known historical forms and our present situation only highlights the differences,and so undermines our ability to call attention to the present destruction of our culture and &quot;constitution&quot;. 

 Taking a cue from Orwell I&#039;ve labeled our present condition &quot;AmSoc&quot;, and it&#039;s true nature is becoming more and more obvious.

 Strap in, my friends. It&#039;s going to be a wild, weird ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of a picture I&#8217;d seen many years ago of a well-dressed gentleman sitting in a chair at an outdoor cafe, legs casually crossed as he held a drink in one hand and a cigar in the other. It was in Munich, I believe. A study in elegance in repose. Behind him was a small group of soldiers (no doubt &#8220;our boys&#8221;) goosestepping in the background. How beautiful and orderly the world looked in the spring of &#8217;38.</p>
<p> If any serious and well-grounded person ridicules the idea that America may become a police state in the near future, do not waste another breath discussing the matter with them. America is *already* a police state; a largely &#8220;friendly&#8221; and benign one at this point, but a police state nonetheless.</p>
<p> Hannah Arendt points out in her seminal work _The Origins of Totalitarianism_ that one of the hallmarks of a burgeoning totalitarian regime is numerous overlapping security and intelligence organizations. Radley does outstanding work here highlighting the ongoing militarization of the police, but we should also note the &#8220;policification&#8221; of the military; abroad they are used for nation-building, and domestically for &#8220;civil emergencies&#8221;. Attendant to that is the collusion and cooperation between the two, as well.</p>
<p> Collectivism changes different aspects of its outward appearance such that we differentiate and isolate its various forms with few able to note the underlying structure. Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism seem locked in a distinct, distant past, and associations between those well-known historical forms and our present situation only highlights the differences,and so undermines our ability to call attention to the present destruction of our culture and &#8220;constitution&#8221;. </p>
<p> Taking a cue from Orwell I&#8217;ve labeled our present condition &#8220;AmSoc&#8221;, and it&#8217;s true nature is becoming more and more obvious.</p>
<p> Strap in, my friends. It&#8217;s going to be a wild, weird ride.</p>
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		<title>By: annemg</title>
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		<dc:creator>annemg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3... My ACD will charge... well, he looks like he is charging.  What he&#039;s really doing is trying to run outside and get a stick for you to throw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3&#8230; My ACD will charge&#8230; well, he looks like he is charging.  What he&#8217;s really doing is trying to run outside and get a stick for you to throw.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/05/another-isolated-incident-w-puppycide/comment-page-1/#comment-238381</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just remembered an old zine (back in the 1980s) where someone rewrote the caption of a Family Circus strip to show Jeffy shaking his dad awake in bed while shouting, &quot;Wake up Razzle! They&#039;re shooting the dogs!&quot;

Weird.

The more things change....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just remembered an old zine (back in the 1980s) where someone rewrote the caption of a Family Circus strip to show Jeffy shaking his dad awake in bed while shouting, &#8220;Wake up Razzle! They&#8217;re shooting the dogs!&#8221;</p>
<p>Weird.</p>
<p>The more things change&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerri Lynn Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/05/another-isolated-incident-w-puppycide/comment-page-1/#comment-238374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerri Lynn Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the ACLU.

I used to be anti-ACLU because I thought that they were about destroying religious traditions.  Then I found myself in a coalition which included religious pro-life people and the ACLU!

I certainly don&#039;t agree with every position they take (I think that local chapters have a certain level of autonomy, though), but I&#039;ve learned to become less susceptible to propaganda and to stop demonizing people merely because of differences in philosophy as a result of working with people in the ACLU.  

As a Christian, I&#039;ve become less apt to jump on the bandwagon when our religious symbols are removed from public places because I now think that the biggest enemies of Christianity exist within the Christian community.  I&#039;m specifically talking about those who choose to walk with Caesar rather than with God. (war mongers and the like)  Of course, Jesus had this figured out from the beginning.  His wrath was directed at the religious Big Dogs of the day--not the petty sinners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the ACLU.</p>
<p>I used to be anti-ACLU because I thought that they were about destroying religious traditions.  Then I found myself in a coalition which included religious pro-life people and the ACLU!</p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t agree with every position they take (I think that local chapters have a certain level of autonomy, though), but I&#8217;ve learned to become less susceptible to propaganda and to stop demonizing people merely because of differences in philosophy as a result of working with people in the ACLU.  </p>
<p>As a Christian, I&#8217;ve become less apt to jump on the bandwagon when our religious symbols are removed from public places because I now think that the biggest enemies of Christianity exist within the Christian community.  I&#8217;m specifically talking about those who choose to walk with Caesar rather than with God. (war mongers and the like)  Of course, Jesus had this figured out from the beginning.  His wrath was directed at the religious Big Dogs of the day&#8211;not the petty sinners.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were I a governor, I would promise to pardon anyone who shot police officers who broke into an occupied dwelling without either making a bona fide effort to demonstrate their identity and legitimacy, or having a da?n good reason why they couldn&#039;t.

Such a declaration would make all honest people safer.  Too bad it&#039;s not policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were I a governor, I would promise to pardon anyone who shot police officers who broke into an occupied dwelling without either making a bona fide effort to demonstrate their identity and legitimacy, or having a da?n good reason why they couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Such a declaration would make all honest people safer.  Too bad it&#8217;s not policy.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Perhaps the problem with the ACLU and other civil liberties organizations is that they focus too much on “constitutional rights” and not “human rights.”&lt;/i&gt;

The problem with the ACLU is that they&#039;re not interested in criminals having the same rights as the law-abiding.  They want criminals to have more rights.

If government practices reasonably honor the rights of law-abiding people, but are eroding the rights of criminals, it would be right and proper to protect the rights of criminals since, if they weren&#039;t protected, law-abiding people could be next.

On the other hand, when governments routinely attack the rights of law-abiding people, efforts to protect the rights of criminals while ignoring those of the law-abiding will not protect the rights of the law-abiding.  To the contrary, such efforts to protect crooks will encourage the government to target the less-well-protected rights of law-abiding people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Perhaps the problem with the ACLU and other civil liberties organizations is that they focus too much on “constitutional rights” and not “human rights.”</i></p>
<p>The problem with the ACLU is that they&#8217;re not interested in criminals having the same rights as the law-abiding.  They want criminals to have more rights.</p>
<p>If government practices reasonably honor the rights of law-abiding people, but are eroding the rights of criminals, it would be right and proper to protect the rights of criminals since, if they weren&#8217;t protected, law-abiding people could be next.</p>
<p>On the other hand, when governments routinely attack the rights of law-abiding people, efforts to protect the rights of criminals while ignoring those of the law-abiding will not protect the rights of the law-abiding.  To the contrary, such efforts to protect crooks will encourage the government to target the less-well-protected rights of law-abiding people.</p>
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		<title>By: Max D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the logical extension of the &quot;oh my god it&#039;s so dangerous being a police officer&quot; mindset that&#039;s become so prevalent lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the logical extension of the &#8220;oh my god it&#8217;s so dangerous being a police officer&#8221; mindset that&#8217;s become so prevalent lately.</p>
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