Comments on: Audio of Police Interview With Ryan Frederick

By: Steve K

Steve K — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:43:11 +0000

NUGUN, His first mistake was not lawyering-up when he was brought in for questioning. No way in hell would I have conversation with police while I was in hysterics after being invaded by those f***ers. I would sit catatonically until they either provided a lawyer or let me call my own. Unfortunately, you can all see what happens to people who believe that the police are there to help. They will lie, trick and coerce until they get what they want. ALWAYS lawyer-up. If you lawyer-up, heres what happens: You talk to your lawyer, then the lawyer speaks to the police for you in a way that doesn’t incrimate you, while you gaze at them silently. Or even better, the lawyer secures your release and finds out what the police know, then gives a statement on your behalf.

By: N.U.G.U.N.

N.U.G.U.N. — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:59:56 +0000

This guy needs a better lawyer….where is his lawyer?

By: N.U.G.U.N.

N.U.G.U.N. — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:58:58 +0000

“What if it was just a guy breaking in to rob your house. Unarmed, didn’t have a gun.”

Than hopefully he has 6 friends to carry his coffin. Because if you enter my home, I’ve got no where else to retreat. And if you entered by force, I am going to assumed you were armed.

My argument, the perpetrator was cleared armed. He was either strong enough, or wield a tool empowering enough to break down my door. That is my proof for disparity of force before the jurors.

By: Adam

Adam — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:09:21 +0000

Holy crap. I can’t believe some of the crap that cop said. “What if somebody kicks in your door and they just want to take your money but they don’t have any guns or anything?” So when someone is kicking the door to MY house in, I should wait for them to finish and see if they plan on assaulting just my property or me and my family as well before I defend myself. Total d-bag. Is it a sad situation for both him and the cop? Yes. Did he do anything criminal? No, especially if it was one of those infamous no knock paramilitary style raids. However, if the police did announce themselves and then proceeded to break in the door anyway I could understand an argument for manslaughter, but still not murder. Murder implies malice and I have seen no evidence of any sort of malice.

By: Judi

Judi — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:21:59 +0000

Me+ at home + someone bursting through the door = BANG!

Why was Ryan even charged?

Geesh…

Cops + bursting through door unannounced = STUPID.

As comic Bill Engvall says, “I just HATE STUPID PEOPLE….here’s your SIGN!”

By: Nate

Nate — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:04:28 +0000

So sad… this does not sound like a cold-blooded cop killer.

By: Billy Beck

Billy Beck — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:11:59 +0000

“Context: the sum of all cognitive elements that conditions the acquisition, validity, or application of any item of human knowledge.”

The cop to Frederick: “Do you understand that you can’t just shoot blindly through a door?” (emphasis added: as if this guy just suddenly decided — for no reason — to take a poke through that door with a bullet, at random.)

The principal problem here is that they cannot or will not think. That should be the most horrifying fact of all, because that’s why this shit will not stop.

My god. What the fuck are we going to do?

By: Greg N.

Greg N. — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:48:16 +0000

Thanks, SusanK! That makes me feel better, albeit just slightly. I won’t feel good until we hear “not guilty.”

By: SusanK

SusanK — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:34:42 +0000

#33 Greg N.:
My understanding is that knowing it was a cop is an essential element of the case against Mr. Frederick. That means the State has to prove he knew he was shooting at a cop, and it can’t just be assumed. It can be inferred from circumstantial evidence that he knew cops were there, hence the snitches saying Ryan knew the cops were coming and wanted to shoot him one, but it does need to be proven.
Proving that police knocked and announced is one thing, proving that the defendant knew it was the police knocking and announcing is another.

By: ggg

ggg — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:58:43 +0000

Chilling.

By: Lorraine Sumrall

Lorraine Sumrall — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:47:47 +0000

I should have said I work for the defense, not the State! Let me clarify that.

By: Jo Nathan

Jo Nathan — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:45:54 +0000

The action of the police makes no sense in this case. They knew RF’s house had been broken into, and they knew he had a gun. So they perform a nighttime SWAT team raid, bashing in the door? Unholy fucking of mothers! Seems like they were looking to create a problem situation. I would have thought those facts would cause the police to try to allay RF’s anxiety, using exactly the opposite sort of tactics.

By: Lorraine Sumrall

Lorraine Sumrall — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:43:55 +0000

#34 Cynical in CA nailed the crux of it: there most certainly now are two classes in this country. Either you’re associated with the State, i.e. law enforcement and their personnel, courts and their personnel, lawyers and their attendant personnel, State government, corrections, etc. or you’re NOT. I told my boss (an attorney) not long ago that I was going to have to get a law degree just to be able to more effectively protect myself from the State. I’m just praying that the jurors in this case have themselves had a run in with the cops that has enlightened them to the imbalance of power the State now exercises daily against the citizenry.

By: Cynical In CA

Cynical In CA — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:57:45 +0000

Ryan Frederick is a martyr.

He is suffering so that the truth may be known.

The truth is that there are two classes of individuals in the world: there are those that are protected by the State and those that are not.

Let the truth be spread far and wide so that the healing may begin, for it cannot begin without acknowledging the truth.

By: Greg N.

Greg N. — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:04:10 +0000

I also love the part where the cop in the beginning says they know Frederick’s house was broken into, and then a few minutes later some cop starts questioning whether that’s true. “So someone broke in but they didn’t take anything? That’s what you’re telling me?”

This is the kind of conviction that should cause riots in the street. Unfortunately, most people will probably think he deserves prison.

Radley, what’s the legal standard: is it assumed a suspect has constructive knowledge (”reasonably should have known”) if police can prove they knocked and announced, or is the burden on the prosecution to prove Frederick actually knew it was police?

By: Warren

Warren — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:35:07 +0000

#12
1) They knew their informant was in the house 3 days prior.
2) They knew the house was burglarized the same day their informant was there.
3) Their informant told them the house was burglarized the same day he was there.
4) The police didn’t know it was their informant who did the burglaring (sp?).

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And yet these are the guys we’re supposed to let investigate crimes.

By: Greg N.

Greg N. — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:29:46 +0000

This idea that you can’t “just shoot blindly” if someone kicks in your front door is preposterous, and I can only hope every juror is thinking, “I’d shoot first, too.”

Can the cop really think that we have to wait until we see a gun before we can fire on an intruder? “What if he just wanted to steal your money?”

This is nauseating and almost too painful to think about. They just can’t possibly convict.

By: Don Tabor

Don Tabor — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:16:21 +0000

Det. Winkelspecht has left the Chesapeake Police Dept to work for the BATF.

Oh, joy.

Surely he won’t get into any mischief there.

By: Michael

Michael — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:42:52 +0000

I have to admit, Ryan did not give them what they wanted! My wife went through the same type of interrogation, with multiple lies told, to her to get her to snitch on innocent people! She stuck to the truth and ended up with probation!

By: Rock

Rock — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:27:59 +0000

Another get out of jail free card for cops: “we were lying in the interview about knowing his house had been broken into. Supreme Court has ruled that it’s ok for us to lie if it’s in the course of trying to get a confession.” SWEET DEAL! That means you can know about all sorts of illegal activities, probably even be the cause of many of them, say as much to ANYONE, but then claim “I was lying as part of my job.” NICE!!!!!!