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	<title>Comments on: Possible DEA Mugging of Professional Poker Player</title>
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		<title>By: publius</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/29/possible-dea-mugging-of-professional-poker-player/comment-page-1/#comment-239280</link>
		<dc:creator>publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless" rel="nofollow">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless</a></p>
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		<title>By: Starchild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Michael Chaney (#46) - I agree, language matters, and there are too many euphemisms employed to cloak government aggression in friendlier language. I would also suggest we not refer to the DEA&#039;s &quot;duties&quot; as if enforcing what individuals can and cannot put into their own bodies were in any way a legitimate line of work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael Chaney (#46) &#8211; I agree, language matters, and there are too many euphemisms employed to cloak government aggression in friendlier language. I would also suggest we not refer to the DEA&#8217;s &#8220;duties&#8221; as if enforcing what individuals can and cannot put into their own bodies were in any way a legitimate line of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/29/possible-dea-mugging-of-professional-poker-player/comment-page-1/#comment-235804</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;while engaged in the performance of his duties with regard thereto or on account of the performance of such duties&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And this is the way out - stealing people&#039;s money and watches isn&#039;t part of the DEA&#039;s duties.  This, again, is why we have to start calling it what it is instead of using terms like &quot;confiscation&quot;, &quot;use of force&quot;, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>while engaged in the performance of his duties with regard thereto or on account of the performance of such duties</p></blockquote>
<p>And this is the way out &#8211; stealing people&#8217;s money and watches isn&#8217;t part of the DEA&#8217;s duties.  This, again, is why we have to start calling it what it is instead of using terms like &#8220;confiscation&#8221;, &#8220;use of force&#8221;, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;@ Cynical (#27): I was not taking a position on the legitimacy of the IRS bounties ...&quot;

No worries, JJ.  I was just adapting your premise to a larger issue.  Nothing personal -- anyone who posted about the IRS might have had their words parsed by me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@ Cynical (#27): I was not taking a position on the legitimacy of the IRS bounties &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No worries, JJ.  I was just adapting your premise to a larger issue.  Nothing personal &#8212; anyone who posted about the IRS might have had their words parsed by me.</p>
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		<title>By: thetruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>thetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The dea has no constitutional authority. At some point a militia is going to need to remind them of the will of the american people and then we can clap as we bury the bodies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dea has no constitutional authority. At some point a militia is going to need to remind them of the will of the american people and then we can clap as we bury the bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Yizmo Gizmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yizmo Gizmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool, the  DEA. A  badge. Chicks. Political intrigue.
And you get to seize people&#039;s money.
I have  been looking like crazy for a  job  like this.
Where do I sign up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, the  DEA. A  badge. Chicks. Political intrigue.<br />
And you get to seize people&#8217;s money.<br />
I have  been looking like crazy for a  job  like this.<br />
Where do I sign up?</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth W. Royce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth W. Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He wasn&#039;t required to any of their questions, and he
talked himself into that seizure.

In a contact or detention, you may refuse to answer
(which does not in itself create probable cause to arrest).

Here is the correct mantra:

&quot;I don&#039;t have to answer that.  I&#039;d like to be on my way now,
so am I free to go?&quot;

If you don&#039;t know your rights, then you effectively have none!
A must-buy book on the subject:

http://javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html

http://www.amazon.com/You-Police-Kenneth-W-Royce/dp/1888766093/ref=pd_sim_b_1/191-0086089-0734711]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wasn&#8217;t required to any of their questions, and he<br />
talked himself into that seizure.</p>
<p>In a contact or detention, you may refuse to answer<br />
(which does not in itself create probable cause to arrest).</p>
<p>Here is the correct mantra:</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t have to answer that.  I&#8217;d like to be on my way now,<br />
so am I free to go?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know your rights, then you effectively have none!<br />
A must-buy book on the subject:</p>
<p><a href="http://javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html" rel="nofollow">http://javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1888766093/theagitator-20/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1888766093/theagitator-20/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben (the other one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mario (#40):  OK, I looked it up.  18 USC 2231 provides:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Assault or resistance&lt;/b&gt;
(a) Whoever forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, prevents, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person authorized to serve or execute search warrants or to make searches and seizures while engaged in the performance of his duties with regard thereto or on account of the performance of such duties, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both[.]&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The current fine for individuals is up to $250,000.  
Like it or not, the courts have upheld the rights of officers to seize property under circumstances like these, so I would be very surprised if they did not view resistance to such a seizure as a violation of this criminal law.  
If you don&#039;t like it, the only fix at this point is a legislative one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mario (#40):  OK, I looked it up.  18 USC 2231 provides:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>Assault or resistance</b><br />
(a) Whoever forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, prevents, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person authorized to serve or execute search warrants or to make searches and seizures while engaged in the performance of his duties with regard thereto or on account of the performance of such duties, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both[.]</p></blockquote>
<p>The current fine for individuals is up to $250,000.<br />
Like it or not, the courts have upheld the rights of officers to seize property under circumstances like these, so I would be very surprised if they did not view resistance to such a seizure as a violation of this criminal law.<br />
If you don&#8217;t like it, the only fix at this point is a legislative one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s possible he could have refused to consent to anything, thereby forcing them to arrest him, for which they had no cause.

Maybe he fell victim to their bluff?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible he could have refused to consent to anything, thereby forcing them to arrest him, for which they had no cause.</p>
<p>Maybe he fell victim to their bluff?</p>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#12 &#124;  nobahdi &#124;  January 29th, 2009 at 4:30 pm 
…the State daily commits armed robbery against its subjects in the form of taxation.

Stolen money is stolen money irregardless of the motive.

I get it; you’re Cynical. But collecting taxes is not “armed robbery” and “irregardless” is not a word.


Yes it is.


Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less  
Pronunciation: \?ir-i-?gärd-l?s\ 
Function: adverb 
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless 
Date: circa 1912 
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 |  nobahdi |  January 29th, 2009 at 4:30 pm<br />
…the State daily commits armed robbery against its subjects in the form of taxation.</p>
<p>Stolen money is stolen money irregardless of the motive.</p>
<p>I get it; you’re Cynical. But collecting taxes is not “armed robbery” and “irregardless” is not a word.</p>
<p>Yes it is.</p>
<p>Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less<br />
Pronunciation: \?ir-i-?gärd-l?s\<br />
Function: adverb<br />
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless<br />
Date: circa 1912<br />
nonstandard : regardless<br />
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Cordell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Cordell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you go to http://www.DonCordellforPresident.com/65.htm you will read more about how Californian police smile all the way to the bank. The cops brag about how they take advantage of citizens, because citizens feel they won&#039;t win in court anyway, as cops lie all the time, and judges believe them. Until we start fighting back in this nation, in the next 5 years we will be under Military control, to protect us from Foreign evil. Citizens will accept this, because we are told, &quot;The Government is protecting us, but 100% control of our communities&quot;. I&#039;m still trying to fight the election of Illegal Alien Barack Obama, and it&#039;s time to fire every member of the Supreme Court for refusing to do their job. We have treason in this nation, unfortunately its in Washington DC, and ever police station in this nation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to <a href="http://www.DonCordellforPresident.com/65.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.DonCordellforPresident.com/65.htm</a> you will read more about how Californian police smile all the way to the bank. The cops brag about how they take advantage of citizens, because citizens feel they won&#8217;t win in court anyway, as cops lie all the time, and judges believe them. Until we start fighting back in this nation, in the next 5 years we will be under Military control, to protect us from Foreign evil. Citizens will accept this, because we are told, &#8220;The Government is protecting us, but 100% control of our communities&#8221;. I&#8217;m still trying to fight the election of Illegal Alien Barack Obama, and it&#8217;s time to fire every member of the Supreme Court for refusing to do their job. We have treason in this nation, unfortunately its in Washington DC, and ever police station in this nation.</p>
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		<title>By: billy-jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>billy-jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@24:

&quot;There is certainly a big difference between a legislature out in the open passing a tax law that effects everyone...&quot;

When was the last time a legislature passed a tax law that affected everyone?

Equally, I mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is certainly a big difference between a legislature out in the open passing a tax law that effects everyone&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>When was the last time a legislature passed a tax law that affected everyone?</p>
<p>Equally, I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the Walmart greeter had been bigger and pushed the cop down, you can bet your ass he wouldn&#039;t have gotten off with a four week suspension from work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Walmart greeter had been bigger and pushed the cop down, you can bet your ass he wouldn&#8217;t have gotten off with a four week suspension from work.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Potentially good news in the crazy Chattanooga police officer who assaulted an elderly Walmart greeter:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca2_1233195018

See also the news story in the upper right.

Freeman (the rogue officer) got 4 weeks off unpaid, plus he must take more training for use of force, anger management, and verbal judo.

My take:

Here we go again with weasel language.  Knocking a person off their feet is assault, not &quot;use of force&quot;.

Good news, the TBI is involved, and apparently they&#039;re talking to the DA about possible charges.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potentially good news in the crazy Chattanooga police officer who assaulted an elderly Walmart greeter:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca2_1233195018" rel="nofollow">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca2_1233195018</a></p>
<p>See also the news story in the upper right.</p>
<p>Freeman (the rogue officer) got 4 weeks off unpaid, plus he must take more training for use of force, anger management, and verbal judo.</p>
<p>My take:</p>
<p>Here we go again with weasel language.  Knocking a person off their feet is assault, not &#8220;use of force&#8221;.</p>
<p>Good news, the TBI is involved, and apparently they&#8217;re talking to the DA about possible charges.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, irregardless IS a word (though safari is giving it the red squiggle), but the meaning is the exact opposite of what the context above would suggest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, irregardless IS a word (though safari is giving it the red squiggle), but the meaning is the exact opposite of what the context above would suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: IrishMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>IrishMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Irregardless IS a word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irregardless IS a word.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Cynical (#27):  I was not taking a position on the legitimacy of the IRS bounties, I was just pointing out that the situation he describes already exists under current law.  Of course, there are hundreds of local Crimestoppers programs across the country that do the same thing for ordinary street crime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cynical (#27):  I was not taking a position on the legitimacy of the IRS bounties, I was just pointing out that the situation he describes already exists under current law.  Of course, there are hundreds of local Crimestoppers programs across the country that do the same thing for ordinary street crime.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Totalitarian anarchists=psychopathic personalities.&lt;/i&gt;

Many sheeple have a conditioned blindness that obscures any faults in their heroes.  Their heroes think they&#039;re better than ordinary people, and the sheeple, believing that the heroes must indeed be better, see nothing wrong with that.  The sheeple&#039;s eyes aren&#039;t going to be opened by accusations that their heroes are psychopaths.

I use the term &quot;totalitarian anarchist&quot; in the hopes that the sheeple will concentrate their mental defenses on those aspects of their leaders which are least defensible.  If the Great Leader is accused of being a totalitarian anarchist, people will say that of course he&#039;s not above the law, and he isn&#039;t acting like he is (because that&#039;s what they believe), but their eyes might be a little bit open when the impossible happens and their leader in fact fails to abide by the law.

I really don&#039;t know the best way to penetrate Liberal Mind Fog.  I do know that I used to be a leftist before I came to realize how the Left manipulates people&#039;s blindness, but unfortunately I haven&#039;t figured out any receipe to remove LMF in others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Totalitarian anarchists=psychopathic personalities.</i></p>
<p>Many sheeple have a conditioned blindness that obscures any faults in their heroes.  Their heroes think they&#8217;re better than ordinary people, and the sheeple, believing that the heroes must indeed be better, see nothing wrong with that.  The sheeple&#8217;s eyes aren&#8217;t going to be opened by accusations that their heroes are psychopaths.</p>
<p>I use the term &#8220;totalitarian anarchist&#8221; in the hopes that the sheeple will concentrate their mental defenses on those aspects of their leaders which are least defensible.  If the Great Leader is accused of being a totalitarian anarchist, people will say that of course he&#8217;s not above the law, and he isn&#8217;t acting like he is (because that&#8217;s what they believe), but their eyes might be a little bit open when the impossible happens and their leader in fact fails to abide by the law.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know the best way to penetrate Liberal Mind Fog.  I do know that I used to be a leftist before I came to realize how the Left manipulates people&#8217;s blindness, but unfortunately I haven&#8217;t figured out any receipe to remove LMF in others.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totalitarian anarchists=psychopathic personalities.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totalitarian anarchists=psychopathic personalities.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Legal, yes.  Moral, no.&lt;/i&gt;

Which is significantly different from the totalitarian anarchists involved in many seizure cases: Legal, no.  Moral, no.  Able-to-be-gotten-away-with, yes.]]></description>
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<p>Which is significantly different from the totalitarian anarchists involved in many seizure cases: Legal, no.  Moral, no.  Able-to-be-gotten-away-with, yes.</p>
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