Regarding Liberty |
January 20th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
I haven’t been so happy to be at work in a long time. Although the internet is slower than usual, likely thanks to all the coworkers who need to stream video of The One to their laptop. I feel bad for those in network support today…and for what’s left of our constitutional republic (yeah, I know, it’s been a slow death).
That was the single scariest thing I have ever seen in my entire life, notwithstanding Barack Obama’s 2001 radio interview where he questions why, in a federalist republic, the founding fathers RESTRAINED the federal govt when they should’ve given a greater role in redistributing wealth to “displaced peoples.”
The change=communism in the USA
God bless Michael Strahan though. He was the only one in that vid who said something sensible. He pledges to call himself an American not an African-American. Thats pretty cool.
Haven’t seen the video yet since I’m at work, but after listening to Obama’s speech I think I know how to stick to my resolution and drop those unwanted pounds. Every time I hear him speak I either lose my appetite or feel the urge to vomit. So I’ll have to tune in more often.
Y’know, if you want to do all those things, then great. Just don’t tell me what I HAVE to do. I don’t like pledges to anything. I also think I just caught myself giving the finger to my monitor while that was playing. My dad taught me 25 years ago to turn off lights when you weren’t using them and to “conserve” things because you shouldn’t be wasteful. That was just old-timer common sense, something to do with “waste not, want not” but now it’s all hip and “green” to not leave every light on in the house 24×7 or throw out plastic bottles.
Go away and leave me alone, all of you spoiled pampered pricks that have suddenly found a cause.
Yeah, video has been pulled. If anyone has an alternate, let us know because I’d like to spread that one far and wide.
Related, did anyone else see the even creepier picture contained in that Reuters story Radley linked to? Featured a little kid holding an American flag with an image of Obama superimposed on it. Posted about it here.
my fav part was the girl with the bottle of water in her hands saying shes not gonna drink bottled water anymore. hilarious.
on a more positive note, when was the last time a democratic president talked about cutting programs that didn’t work? And instead of talking about socializing healthcare he said “use technology to make it more affordable.” anything not a socialist policy is a good thing.
Brandon Bowers |
January 20th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
It’s funny that the trolls here all say the same thing: Libertarians=Republicans, we’re nothing but fringe wackos, celebrities aren’t Libertarians, we’re just bitter. I have not seen a single one of them actually address any of our arguments. Anti-libertarians use the same tactics as drug warriors instead of actually trying to debate libertarian ideas. Wonder why?
Brandon Bowers |
January 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
there should’ve been an “etc.” somewhere in there.
Alright, not sure if putting a link in comments means comment doesn’t make it or what…tried twice so my apologies if duplicate posts eventually make it through…in the meantime, try searching YT for the following, should get you the video:
Brandon – what Libertarian argument is being supported by this post? You and your co-horts are merely whining about some celebrities getting all geeked out over Obama while taking potshots – “godhead” “anti-christ” “the One” etc…
Thanks for giving us another source for it – so that the rest of us can throw up in our mouth a little too! Wait… wait… wait…
ASHTON KUTCHER is gonna represent this country with pride, dignity and honesty? That guy who’s film career thus far is based on fart jokes and being stoned?
ANTHONY KIEDIS is gonna spend more time with old people? When, between banging supermodels?
The same vomited up feel-good resolutions – using woven hemp grocery bags is gonna save the world!
What was keeping these dopes from doing all this crap BEFORE Obama was elected? It’s like they’re all collectively admitting that they’re tired of being self-centered, pampered, rude suck-holes.
#27 Gacracker–Nobody’s claiming that this celebrity video is a really substantive issue, but to claim that all the people here are bitter over lack of support for the GOP just shows complete ignorance of what’s covered in this blog and libertarianism in general. And comment sections everywhere are usually comprised of bitching. Do you pledge to behave with journalistic integrity in every aspect of your life? If so, you can’t come to my birthday party.
Besides, the use of “servant” doesn’t usually have a negative connatation in address. Old letters always seem to say “your humble servant” or something similiar at the end. I suppose we can argue that they meant the term more literally, but that’s not what I got from the video.
Robin – I don’t claim that a lack of support for the GOP drives the bitterness of posters here. I do claim that whining about celebrities and their endorsements is a typical GOP ploy and to see it here only reinforces my belief that many of the posters here are in actuality Republicans who want to smoke pot legally.
I also disagree with you that most comment sections a usually comprised of bitching. There are many sites wherein the comments contain rational discourse and honest disagreement.
Finally, I’ll pass on your B-day party but feel free to pull a few tubes for me.
#33 Gacracker–Well you did write, “You’re all just jealous that the only ones that support the GOP and your silly Libertarian (faux GOP) ideals ideals are withered old D-list celebs, Country/Western singers, and random pot-heads.” I understand that you were making a joke of sorts, but the implication seems to be that many of us support the GOP, which I don’t think is very true. So if republicans whine about celebrities, and people on this blog whine about celebrities, people on this blog are republicans? Is that your idea of rational discourse?
Robin – many Libertarians do in fact support the GOP. See the failed Ron Paul experiment. See blowhards like Neil Boortz – a self proclaimed Libertarian who proudly shills for the GOP. See members of the GOP refer to the “Libertarian wing of the GOP” – Huckabee for one. Truth be told, I’ve never met – in real life or online – a self-described Libertarian that doesn’t say at some point that they either used to be a Repub or vote that way out of pragmatism (sp?)
Perhaps you are going to be my first?
If you and the rest of the folks here don’t want to be identified with the GOP, differentiate yourselves a bit. Stop copying from their playbook.
Finally, never said this blog included rational discourse nor did I say I was attempting to play that role here.
I do claim that whining about celebrities and their endorsements is a typical GOP ploy and to see it here only reinforces my belief that many of the posters here are in actuality Republicans who want to smoke pot legally.
No, fucktard, whining about celebrities and their endorsement of Democratic candidates is a “typical GOP ploy,” just as whining about celebrities and their endorsement of GOP candidates is a typical Democratic ploy, which you oh-so-hypocritically did in post #20. For every Republican dumbass that pissed and moaned about an actor campaigning for Obama, some Democratic fucktard, i.e, you, bitched about a country singer doing the same for McCain. And anybody who has visited this site more than once will tell you that the simple desire to smoke a joint (which is easy enough to do illegally) is far, far, far from the only reason they wish to see an end to the Drug War. My desire to see one less decapitation in some seedy border town far outweighs my desire to get blitzed. So, please, take your hasty generalizations, shove them up your ass, and fuck off back to the Daily Kos.
One can SUPPORT THE GOP!, and one can, you know, support the GOP. Personally, I don’t feel the need to strongly align myself with a party. Clearly you do, or at least against one. But is there something wrong with agreeing with republican candidates on certain issues? What do you think the republican playbook is, and which parts of it have this crowd been copying? I don’t smoke pot, makes me lazy and afraid to go outside.
And for the record, neither bong nor joint has come anywhere near my body, and I come to this site even as my peers largely peg me for a liberal. I admire libertarians, mostly of the non-capitalized type, for being among those few who seem to consistently stake out anti-drug war, pro-gay rights positions, and not just when it is politically expedient. I also detect much less pandering to the woo than the members of either major party.
GaCracker (#39), typically within libertarian circles, “libertarians” are those who espouse a libertarian philosophy, and may or may not be affiliated with the Libertarian Party, the Republican Party, or any other party. They might believe it is immoral to participate in politics; they might be anarchists. On the other hand, “Libertarians” are those who are members of the Libertarian Party. So to clarify, I believe you’re referring to “libertarians” as opposed to “Libertarians”–otherwise, the “Libertarian wing of the GOP” makes as much sense as the “Republican wing of the Democratic Party”. Not trying to nitpick, but perhaps this will help clarify things as the discussion goes forward.
Nomenclature aside, I have found over the years that which of the two major parties is more libertarian-friendly depends on what issues are prominent at that particular time. When I first became a libertarian (I’d registered “Independent” several years before), it probably was the Republicans, as hot-button issues were things like gun control, welfare spending, taxation, and government control of health care. Now that the perennial warfare state, the drug war and civil liberties are becoming more important priorities, it may be that libertarians will find more in common with the Democrats.
Libertarians support neither Democrats nor Republicans as a whole. At times there is a crossover in our party platforms. To say that we support the GOP or the Democrats exclusively is nonsense. Both parties get equally lambasted quite often in this forum.
Regarding our party membership: Our political backgrounds vary and are not exclusively GOP. There are a whole lot of ex-dems here too.
Soilder [sic] Boy – The Dems just laugh at GOP celebrities. Please show me otherwise.
See YOUR post, #20.
So, legalizing pot will stop all the bloodshed in the “seedy border town(s)?” Get off your high horse.
That’s EXACTLY what I said. Thank you for demonstrating that reading comprehension (and spelling, apparently) is a foreign concept to you. “End the Drug War” ? “Legalize pot so we can get fucked up!” Re-read what I wrote, very slowly and out loud if need be. If you need additional help, find a grown-up.
My guess, your wackiness kept you out of a real mans [sic] military. Is that why you joined the Army? Cause the Marines wouldn’t take you?
Do you have anything to offer to this thread besides hypocrisy, hasty generalizations, and extremely lame insults? If all you can bring is a very weak dig at my former employer, it is time for you to crawl back to whatever corner of the internet you oozed from. You’ve obviously got nothing.
Well, hell Ga, how could I argue with that? I guess I’m going to have to burn my Army DD214 and forego all of my veterans benefits. And all that time I didn’t realize I was side-by-side with inferior human beings. Now that I think about it, they probably didn’t even give us real ammunition.
MikeL – I like the blog so yeah, it’s worth my time. If I can generate a visceral response like those above it passes the time nicely. Sometimes a reasoned response shows up and gets a, for me, reasoned response.
I especially like the responses that pick on spelling!
Plus, those that self identify as being in the military are the BEST! They usually fall into one of two categories. Either they expect to be worshiped for their service or they’re really keyboard commandos. Either way it’s fun to mess with them.
Soilder Boi – where are you tough guy? oh noes! maybe he’s working on his crazy skillz with the internet and tracking me downso we can meet man to man and settle this once and for all! Please don’t Soilder BOi! Your scaring meeeeeeeeeeeeee!
DOn’t worry though SOilder Boi, I’ll find you again and we can have loads of fun.
DO you like my crazy caps and spelling? I did it just for yu.
Plus, those that self identify as being in the military are the BEST! They usually fall into one of two categories. Either they expect to be worshiped for their service or they’re really keyboard commandos.
Have you ever met anybody that didn’t fit into some little stereotype? This is the only place where I refer to the military in my screen name, and that only because my first comments here had to do with Army linguists being forced out under “don’t ask, don’t tell.” I figured my comments in that thread would have a little extra credibility if I explicitly identified myself as “Former Army,” especially given all those who claimed that only a serviceman can really understand the need for that stupid policy. From then on, I just stuck with it. If anybody grants me additional respect for something as arbitrary as my former job, that’s on them. Personally, people who blindly worship the military drive me nuts. I cringed every time somebody thanked me for my service simply because I was in uniform, despite having no idea if I was actually worthy of their respect. Blind respect for uniforms seems to lead to a lot of the crap we all read about here.
#60: In post #20, you definitely fit the country music hatin’ librul™ stereotype that is the straw man of choice of the Palin types. As I said, for every wingnut Neo-con* who sees Alec Baldwin as his mortal enemy, there is some dingbat Librul™* who sees Toby Keith the same way.
*By which I mean the type of person who only sees an (R) or a (D), and nothing else.
Brilliant. The same car is still out burning all that fuel, only now it’s driven by someone who can’t afford to buy a new hybrid. Assuming for the moment that the way to save the world IS to burn less fuel, all you’ve actually accomplished is to move the guilt (blame? shame?) to a poorer* soul’s head. And given him a higher annual fuel cost in the long run. Congratulations!
*I’m talking poorer by probability only, because there is a small minority of Americans who actually buy cars below their means.
[...] Warren Meyer and John Venlet both hit on the “weird mass self-hypnosis” of the times. Then comes Balko with the link to that video of self-presumptuous boneheads showing their asses right out in public. [...]
People think that libertarians are paranoid and too easily creeped out by this sort of thing. I would almost agree, except that I just sat in my mandatory communitarian propaganda class at my college and I am utterly horrified at everyone who speaks up in the class.
There is not one shred of disagreement. A chorus of voices of aparant liberals scorned my questions about individual conscience. I asked if being obligated to governmentsociety stop at any point, and your conscience kicks in. And when is it okay (say, not paying taxes is not okay, but not killing the Jews is.) It worse than I could have guessed. If you used a crosswalk once, you’re obligated to societygovernment. If you want to change the laws, you must run for office or vote or discuss. But never ever break the laws.
I got polite versions of “love it or leave it” I got “have faith” in government. I got vote and discuss but never, ever break the laws. I thought leftists would at least be for dodging the draft, but no, that’s a love it or leave situation. The spout democracy on one hand, and obeying any laws on on the other.
This crap isn’t the cozy social safety net — misguided but good intentions — this is people who don’t like individualism, but go about live reaping the comforts of our semi-free society. College is as devoid of ideological diversity as I always heard. Jesus H. Christ.
I am much more scared about Obama than I was yesterday. If this if the type of person that elected him.
Like when did the People forget that it’s the President who is the servant. He serves at OUR pleasure, under OUR rules. The closest job description to his is Head Butler. Check out his enumerated powers. Forget the lie using the unitary executive theory.
fwb – if I was religious I would say a-freaking-men. This is so beyond the creepiness factor its unbelievable. Whether your GOP, DEM, LIB or anyone who has a pulse, this is just awful.
And if you so want to spend your free time helping others, more power to you, but don’t for a minute think that you should try and guilt others into some form of servitude out of some cult with the ObamaMessiah. I spent 5 years in the military and most of the sheep, I mean people, in this country aren’t worthy of my assistance anymore. Any freedom loving person in this country should feel abject horror at this crap, whether it’s a feel good idea or not.
Good lord, do people actually think for themsleves anymore?
Boyd Durkin |
January 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
Well…we now have a “cringier” video response to “2girls/1cup”.
Let me be the first to pledge this: when the country is bankrupt due to US debt and you can’t buy food for your starving kids, I pledge to not assign blame and wish well our celebrity lords who emmigrated to New Zealand to avoid this disaster.
Boyd Durkin |
January 22nd, 2009 at 10:32 am
Why didn’t Puff Daddy P. Sean Diddy Combs just pledge not to shoot up cheezy discos or cut back to a dozen bottles of Cristal per night out?
glass half full |
January 24th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
YOU POOR SAD PEOPLE…all the people that posts these comments are whats wrong with this country.