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	<title>Comments on: HackWatch: Inauguration Edition</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Bugs</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/19/hackwatch-inauguration-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-232707</link>
		<dc:creator>Bugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Environmentally friendly inauguration&quot; - that&#039;s good. You know how many tons of garbage the city&#039;s had to clean up in the wake of this green-fest? Mainly because, for security reasons, there were very few trash recepticals on the Mall or elsewhere. It will also take about six months for the grass on the mall to grow back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Environmentally friendly inauguration&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s good. You know how many tons of garbage the city&#8217;s had to clean up in the wake of this green-fest? Mainly because, for security reasons, there were very few trash recepticals on the Mall or elsewhere. It will also take about six months for the grass on the mall to grow back.</p>
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		<title>By: CC</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/19/hackwatch-inauguration-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-232377</link>
		<dc:creator>CC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Mojotron, that&#039;s my point exactly.  

If you have to be a partisan hack to say there&#039;s a difference between an inauguration that&#039;s expensive and attended by 400,000 and an inauguration that&#039;s only slightly more expensive because it is provinding basic amenities to 2 million people and security to a president-elect people keep threatening to shoot, then I guess I&#039;m a partisan hack, too.  

The people I know who were there have said that they really wish there had been MORE security and MORE bathrooms as there were soviet-level lines at both.    But hey, I guess that would have gotten Obama even more criticism as a spendthrift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Mojotron, that&#8217;s my point exactly.  </p>
<p>If you have to be a partisan hack to say there&#8217;s a difference between an inauguration that&#8217;s expensive and attended by 400,000 and an inauguration that&#8217;s only slightly more expensive because it is provinding basic amenities to 2 million people and security to a president-elect people keep threatening to shoot, then I guess I&#8217;m a partisan hack, too.  </p>
<p>The people I know who were there have said that they really wish there had been MORE security and MORE bathrooms as there were soviet-level lines at both.    But hey, I guess that would have gotten Obama even more criticism as a spendthrift.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojotron</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/19/hackwatch-inauguration-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-232372</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojotron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the difference is that this inauguration is more expensive (more people + greater security) but not as extravagant.  YMMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the difference is that this inauguration is more expensive (more people + greater security) but not as extravagant.  YMMV.</p>
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		<title>By: CTD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;don’t see how that’s Obama’s fault exactly or why he’s being criticized for it.&quot;

Radley isn&#039;t criticizing Obama at all. He&#039;s calling out a partisan hacks who ginned up a ton of righteous outrage when Bush held an extravagant, expensive inauguration, but can&#039;t seem to bring themselves to criticize The One when his is even more extravagant and expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;don’t see how that’s Obama’s fault exactly or why he’s being criticized for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Radley isn&#8217;t criticizing Obama at all. He&#8217;s calling out a partisan hacks who ginned up a ton of righteous outrage when Bush held an extravagant, expensive inauguration, but can&#8217;t seem to bring themselves to criticize The One when his is even more extravagant and expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: CC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, it&#039;s not like this is Obama&#039;s wedding and he invited all these people personally. 

People decide to come to town and DC has to provide security and bathrooms for them or really bad things happen.  It&#039;s just that simple.  

I&#039;m taking a couple to dinner tonight who drove up from Florida, had tickets and were still turned away because they literally couldn&#039;t fit any more people on the mall.  I&#039;ve lived in DC almost my entire life and I don&#039;t remember any other event where that was the case.  But I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s Obama&#039;s fault exactly or why he&#039;s being criticized for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, it&#8217;s not like this is Obama&#8217;s wedding and he invited all these people personally. </p>
<p>People decide to come to town and DC has to provide security and bathrooms for them or really bad things happen.  It&#8217;s just that simple.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m taking a couple to dinner tonight who drove up from Florida, had tickets and were still turned away because they literally couldn&#8217;t fit any more people on the mall.  I&#8217;ve lived in DC almost my entire life and I don&#8217;t remember any other event where that was the case.  But I don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s Obama&#8217;s fault exactly or why he&#8217;s being criticized for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojotron</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/19/hackwatch-inauguration-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-232127</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojotron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Still my main point was I don’t think the number of actual attendees should factor in as a justification as to its cost.&lt;/i&gt;

how can it not?  With more people, you need more resources.  If you order the same number of port-o-potties for million people as you do for a 100,000 things will get &lt;i&gt;messy&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Still my main point was I don’t think the number of actual attendees should factor in as a justification as to its cost.</i></p>
<p>how can it not?  With more people, you need more resources.  If you order the same number of port-o-potties for million people as you do for a 100,000 things will get <i>messy</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/19/hackwatch-inauguration-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-232124</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Still my main point was I don’t think the number of actual attendees should factor in as a justification as to its cost.&lt;/i&gt;

Uhm, why not? You don&#039;t think the cost of providing security for an event scales with the number of people attending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Still my main point was I don’t think the number of actual attendees should factor in as a justification as to its cost.</i></p>
<p>Uhm, why not? You don&#8217;t think the cost of providing security for an event scales with the number of people attending?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t saying no security just I am not sure there is a justification of additional security vs a pre 9/11 inaguration.   

Still my main point was I don&#039;t think the number of actual attendees should factor in as a justification as to its cost.  For public funds it is the same 150 million people who get stuck with the bill in either case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t saying no security just I am not sure there is a justification of additional security vs a pre 9/11 inaguration.   </p>
<p>Still my main point was I don&#8217;t think the number of actual attendees should factor in as a justification as to its cost.  For public funds it is the same 150 million people who get stuck with the bill in either case.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;While factoring in the # of attendees will probably lower the per person price of the party, I don’t know if I follow that logic. It sounds like your saying if you have more people at your party its ok to waste more taxpayer money.&lt;/i&gt;

So long as the inauguration remains a public event, I&#039;d say the government is obligated to provide for the security of the President and the attendees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>While factoring in the # of attendees will probably lower the per person price of the party, I don’t know if I follow that logic. It sounds like your saying if you have more people at your party its ok to waste more taxpayer money.</i></p>
<p>So long as the inauguration remains a public event, I&#8217;d say the government is obligated to provide for the security of the President and the attendees.</p>
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		<title>By: CC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the number of assassination threats there have been, I think it&#039;s kind of unreasonable to criticize how much Obama&#039;s folks are spending on security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the number of assassination threats there have been, I think it&#8217;s kind of unreasonable to criticize how much Obama&#8217;s folks are spending on security.</p>
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		<title>By: bobzbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobzbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a choice between paying for security or preventing the citizenry from participating in celebatory occasions of state.  These occasions serve an important civic purpose-it is a good use of taxpayer money to foot the bill.  Second, the expenditure of private and public funds being made here will have a stimulating economic effect - now is a good time for an expensive party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a choice between paying for security or preventing the citizenry from participating in celebatory occasions of state.  These occasions serve an important civic purpose-it is a good use of taxpayer money to foot the bill.  Second, the expenditure of private and public funds being made here will have a stimulating economic effect &#8211; now is a good time for an expensive party.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, 
  While factoring in the # of attendees will probably lower the per person price of the party,  I don&#039;t know if I follow that logic.  It sounds like your saying if you have more people at your party its ok to waste more taxpayer money. So a politician who is more corrupt and pandering to more special interests would be better than one who panders exclusivly to one?

I think the per capita costs need to come from who is footing the bill (every taxpayer).  In that case it is the same for both inagurations.    

That said I do agree that there is a difference between a first and second inaguration.  And I imagine security is a lot heavier now as compared to Bush&#039;s first (pre-9/11).  Although I&#039;m not sure the extra security is justified or even effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm,<br />
  While factoring in the # of attendees will probably lower the per person price of the party,  I don&#8217;t know if I follow that logic.  It sounds like your saying if you have more people at your party its ok to waste more taxpayer money. So a politician who is more corrupt and pandering to more special interests would be better than one who panders exclusivly to one?</p>
<p>I think the per capita costs need to come from who is footing the bill (every taxpayer).  In that case it is the same for both inagurations.    </p>
<p>That said I do agree that there is a difference between a first and second inaguration.  And I imagine security is a lot heavier now as compared to Bush&#8217;s first (pre-9/11).  Although I&#8217;m not sure the extra security is justified or even effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley, I would invite you to do the math PJ Doland suggests. 

A quick google shows around 300k people attending Bush&#039;s 05 inauguration vs. estimates of 1-5 million for Obama&#039;s.

As for Boehlert--yes, he&#039;s criticizing Obama&#039;s critics. Because they&#039;re wrong. And because they&#039;re essentially lying. That he hasn&#039;t criticized Obama doesn&#039;t change that fact. Granted, I&#039;m biased here, but I would say that having major media outlets mislead people about the costs of the respective inaugurations is more troubling than the sort of predictable partisan switchbacks of which you accuse Boehlert and co. 

I mean, I get the point you&#039;re making, but c&#039;mon. Obama is spending about the same as Bush did, even though Obama&#039;s inauguration is expected to draw at least 3 times as many people as Bush&#039;s and carries at least the same risk of a terrorist attack. Yet it&#039;s being reported that Obama is spending $100 million more than Bush. And your problem is with the guy who is setting the record straight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley, I would invite you to do the math PJ Doland suggests. </p>
<p>A quick google shows around 300k people attending Bush&#8217;s 05 inauguration vs. estimates of 1-5 million for Obama&#8217;s.</p>
<p>As for Boehlert&#8211;yes, he&#8217;s criticizing Obama&#8217;s critics. Because they&#8217;re wrong. And because they&#8217;re essentially lying. That he hasn&#8217;t criticized Obama doesn&#8217;t change that fact. Granted, I&#8217;m biased here, but I would say that having major media outlets mislead people about the costs of the respective inaugurations is more troubling than the sort of predictable partisan switchbacks of which you accuse Boehlert and co. </p>
<p>I mean, I get the point you&#8217;re making, but c&#8217;mon. Obama is spending about the same as Bush did, even though Obama&#8217;s inauguration is expected to draw at least 3 times as many people as Bush&#8217;s and carries at least the same risk of a terrorist attack. Yet it&#8217;s being reported that Obama is spending $100 million more than Bush. And your problem is with the guy who is setting the record straight?</p>
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		<title>By: anarch</title>
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		<dc:creator>anarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unsafe At Any Price.

Not Obama; the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unsafe At Any Price.</p>
<p>Not Obama; the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: ickball</title>
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		<dc:creator>ickball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I switched jobs a few years ago and only spent 150 million on the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I switched jobs a few years ago and only spent 150 million on the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand the extra security, because it would look pretty bad (/massive understatement) if Obama were to be assasinated on the day he takes office. The rest of the balloons, bunting and bullshit I can do without. Just say &quot;Thanks&quot; and get to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand the extra security, because it would look pretty bad (/massive understatement) if Obama were to be assasinated on the day he takes office. The rest of the balloons, bunting and bullshit I can do without. Just say &#8220;Thanks&#8221; and get to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Presidents should just invite their owners to inaugurations.  It would save a lot of money and would eliminate that false sense that they are &quot;everybody&#039;s President&quot;.

And no, that was not a remark about slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Presidents should just invite their owners to inaugurations.  It would save a lot of money and would eliminate that false sense that they are &#8220;everybody&#8217;s President&#8221;.</p>
<p>And no, that was not a remark about slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Obama said he wanted to spread the wealth around, I thought he was talking about giving money to poor people.  If I had known he was talking about using wealth to throw lavish parties, I might have voted for him.
http://www.rightklik.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Obama said he wanted to spread the wealth around, I thought he was talking about giving money to poor people.  If I had known he was talking about using wealth to throw lavish parties, I might have voted for him.<br />
<a href="http://www.rightklik.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rightklik.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused. If Boehlert is right, he shouldn&#039;t even be on the Index. If he&#039;s wrong, how does he not warrant a 10?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused. If Boehlert is right, he shouldn&#8217;t even be on the Index. If he&#8217;s wrong, how does he not warrant a 10?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JWH,

You&#039;re not serious, right? Liberals routinely support troops; our current conservative cadre supports wars, troops be damned.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;re not serious, right? Liberals routinely support troops; our current conservative cadre supports wars, troops be damned.</p>
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