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	<title>Comments on: Did the Cameras Go on Strike?</title>
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		<title>By: Rimfax</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/18/did-the-cameras-go-on-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-232308</link>
		<dc:creator>Rimfax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assume only 5 of 9 cars had cameras and 20% of the force&#039;s camera&#039;s were working.  (That&#039;s about as pessimistic as I can grant.)  The odds of none of the 5 being one of the 20% are about 1 in 3 (33%).

If you make a more reasonable assumption of 6 of 9 and a 50% working rate (still ridiculous, even for the extraordinarily sad PG County), the odds of none of the working cameras being present are about 1 in 64 (1.6%).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assume only 5 of 9 cars had cameras and 20% of the force&#8217;s camera&#8217;s were working.  (That&#8217;s about as pessimistic as I can grant.)  The odds of none of the 5 being one of the 20% are about 1 in 3 (33%).</p>
<p>If you make a more reasonable assumption of 6 of 9 and a 50% working rate (still ridiculous, even for the extraordinarily sad PG County), the odds of none of the working cameras being present are about 1 in 64 (1.6%).</p>
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		<title>By: OneByTheCee</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/18/did-the-cameras-go-on-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-232041</link>
		<dc:creator>OneByTheCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7 &#124;  Helmut O&#039; Hooligan

&quot;This case also reinforces the need for departments to begin experimenting with “body cameras.” The technology is there. Now is the time to start using it.&quot;

Even good ol&#039; Taser makes one:
http://www.taser.com/products/law/Pages/TASERAXON.aspx

This is the sales video of the product:
http://www.taser.com/Pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=77
please play it, the beginning of it cracked me up ....

YOU CHOSE A CAREER BASED ON HONOR
TO SERVE AND PROTECT
PROTECT: THOSE WITHOUT HONOR
PROTECT: FROM THOSE WHO WILL STEAL, DISTORT, AND LIE
THE TRUTH IS YOUR GREATEST ALLY
DESTROY THE LIE
PROTECT TRUTH .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 |  Helmut O&#8217; Hooligan</p>
<p>&#8220;This case also reinforces the need for departments to begin experimenting with “body cameras.” The technology is there. Now is the time to start using it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even good ol&#8217; Taser makes one:<br />
<a href="http://www.taser.com/products/law/Pages/TASERAXON.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.taser.com/products/law/Pages/TASERAXON.aspx</a></p>
<p>This is the sales video of the product:<br />
<a href="http://www.taser.com/Pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=77" rel="nofollow">http://www.taser.com/Pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=77</a><br />
please play it, the beginning of it cracked me up &#8230;.</p>
<p>YOU CHOSE A CAREER BASED ON HONOR<br />
TO SERVE AND PROTECT<br />
PROTECT: THOSE WITHOUT HONOR<br />
PROTECT: FROM THOSE WHO WILL STEAL, DISTORT, AND LIE<br />
THE TRUTH IS YOUR GREATEST ALLY<br />
DESTROY THE LIE<br />
PROTECT TRUTH &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: OneByTheCee</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/18/did-the-cameras-go-on-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-232034</link>
		<dc:creator>OneByTheCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 &#124;  Chuchundra 

&quot;I’m pretty sure that tampering with a camera in a patrol car is already a felony. Around here we’d call it obstruction of justice.&quot;


Yeah, for us citizen nothings but if the chosen ones tamper with evidence or obstruct justice, isn&#039;t that just considered &quot;a training issue&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 |  Chuchundra </p>
<p>&#8220;I’m pretty sure that tampering with a camera in a patrol car is already a felony. Around here we’d call it obstruction of justice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, for us citizen nothings but if the chosen ones tamper with evidence or obstruct justice, isn&#8217;t that just considered &#8220;a training issue&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: OneByTheCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneByTheCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23 &#124;  Marty 

&quot;I wonder how hard it’d be to manipulate the images in the squad car camera?&quot;

I&#039;m quite sure you already know the answer to that one Marty - LEO&#039;s just cut out the parts they don&#039;t want us to see and offer up the butchered remainder with a straight face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23 |  Marty </p>
<p>&#8220;I wonder how hard it’d be to manipulate the images in the squad car camera?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite sure you already know the answer to that one Marty &#8211; LEO&#8217;s just cut out the parts they don&#8217;t want us to see and offer up the butchered remainder with a straight face.</p>
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		<title>By: OneByTheCee</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/01/18/did-the-cameras-go-on-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-232028</link>
		<dc:creator>OneByTheCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an enormous steaming pile of police shit!  

This is exactly why I do not feel sorry for BART Officer Mesherle - if it weren&#039;t for all those cell phone recordings that escaped being illegally confiscated, we would not know how that young man was really slaughtered.  Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an enormous steaming pile of police shit!  </p>
<p>This is exactly why I do not feel sorry for BART Officer Mesherle &#8211; if it weren&#8217;t for all those cell phone recordings that escaped being illegally confiscated, we would not know how that young man was really slaughtered.  Period.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking a cue from Enron, and other cases where there is destruction of evidence, why can&#039;t there be a presumption that the evidence is unfavorable to the defendants, PG County?  Why not a charge that there was a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice? All you would need to do is get one person to squeal and the rest will follow.

Another transparent example of law enforcement corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking a cue from Enron, and other cases where there is destruction of evidence, why can&#8217;t there be a presumption that the evidence is unfavorable to the defendants, PG County?  Why not a charge that there was a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice? All you would need to do is get one person to squeal and the rest will follow.</p>
<p>Another transparent example of law enforcement corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did no one notice that the jurists thought her stop was not illegal?!  I think that jury pool is not too smart, either!  But, as the old saying goes...They will get theirs!  Probably will be the victim of an unrestrained police department!  But we know, the police would never do anything to an &quot;innocent&quot; person!  I do think, it is great that the news media, in this case, is on the other side of the equation for a change!  Police bullies! I wish this would have had more national attention!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did no one notice that the jurists thought her stop was not illegal?!  I think that jury pool is not too smart, either!  But, as the old saying goes&#8230;They will get theirs!  Probably will be the victim of an unrestrained police department!  But we know, the police would never do anything to an &#8220;innocent&#8221; person!  I do think, it is great that the news media, in this case, is on the other side of the equation for a change!  Police bullies! I wish this would have had more national attention!</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. P. Schofield</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. S. P. Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1st Law of Government Purchases: Governments love new toys, but hate paying for maintenance. 

That said, even if there is an innocent explanation, I see little or no reason not to clobber the Government in question over how suspicious it looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st Law of Government Purchases: Governments love new toys, but hate paying for maintenance. </p>
<p>That said, even if there is an innocent explanation, I see little or no reason not to clobber the Government in question over how suspicious it looks.</p>
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		<title>By: Cappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cameras go inop when the vehicle is thrown into PARK.

That has to be the only logical conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cameras go inop when the vehicle is thrown into PARK.</p>
<p>That has to be the only logical conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Bowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Bowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are PG police dumb or dishonest?&quot;

Lying morons. Take your pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are PG police dumb or dishonest?&#8221;</p>
<p>Lying morons. Take your pick.</p>
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		<title>By: thomasblair</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomasblair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T. Reed,

&lt;blockquote&gt;ANSWER: 2 to the ninth power or one chance in 512.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This assumes the failures are independent events. It&#039;s more likely that, given a single failure, there will be others, i.e., that equipment failure is likely systemic. Of course, this is not to say that I believe for a moment that there were equipment failures and that they aren&#039;t lying to cover up evidence.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are PG police dumb or dishonest?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

False dichotomy. The two descriptors are not mutually exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T. Reed,</p>
<blockquote><p>ANSWER: 2 to the ninth power or one chance in 512.</p></blockquote>
<p>This assumes the failures are independent events. It&#8217;s more likely that, given a single failure, there will be others, i.e., that equipment failure is likely systemic. Of course, this is not to say that I believe for a moment that there were equipment failures and that they aren&#8217;t lying to cover up evidence.</p>
<blockquote><p>Are PG police dumb or dishonest?</p></blockquote>
<p>False dichotomy. The two descriptors are not mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
#5 &#124;  Marty &#124;  January 18th, 2009 at 4:31 pm 
just like when the goofball says, ‘My dog ate my homework,’ all the people in the classroom roll their eyes. Everyone knows it’s stupid, but it’s a lot of work trying to prove the obvious lie and this kid is very stubborn and he isn’t very bright… Hell, he probably shot his own dog!
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The police dog ate the cameras.

Unfortunately, the dog was shot during a no-knock raid on the handler&#039;s house....</description>
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#5 |  Marty |  January 18th, 2009 at 4:31 pm<br />
just like when the goofball says, ‘My dog ate my homework,’ all the people in the classroom roll their eyes. Everyone knows it’s stupid, but it’s a lot of work trying to prove the obvious lie and this kid is very stubborn and he isn’t very bright… Hell, he probably shot his own dog!
</p></blockquote>
<p>The police dog ate the cameras.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the dog was shot during a no-knock raid on the handler&#8217;s house&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point, Jason-

all too often, if a member of the public takes video of an incident involving someone from law enforcement, the cops immediately cast doubt on the images- they could&#039;ve been manipulated, made up, etc. I wonder how hard it&#039;d be to manipulate the images in the squad car camera?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point, Jason-</p>
<p>all too often, if a member of the public takes video of an incident involving someone from law enforcement, the cops immediately cast doubt on the images- they could&#8217;ve been manipulated, made up, etc. I wonder how hard it&#8217;d be to manipulate the images in the squad car camera?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the problem with video cameras, they seem to shut down when it&#039;s convenient for the ones in possession of the cameras.
http://www.rightklik.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the problem with video cameras, they seem to shut down when it&#8217;s convenient for the ones in possession of the cameras.<br />
<a href="http://www.rightklik.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rightklik.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuchundra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuchundra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure that tampering with  a camera in a patrol car is already a felony. Around here we&#039;d call it obstruction of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that tampering with  a camera in a patrol car is already a felony. Around here we&#8217;d call it obstruction of justice.</p>
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		<title>By: anarch</title>
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		<dc:creator>anarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gun works only when camera works. Shouldn&#039;t be technically too hard to rig that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gun works only when camera works. Shouldn&#8217;t be technically too hard to rig that up.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 &#124;  chance

great point- equipment used by police/fire/ems is under a real high stress level and frequently breaks down because of poor design/training. plus, there are countless examples of cops/firemen/other govt workers going into private sector to sell equipment to govt agencies. they already have a personal relationship with many of the buyers, so they&#039;ll buy the new stuff and try to integrate the old with the new. even if all the equipment is top notch, there&#039;s a good chance it&#039;s not well-integrated.

the problem with bullet proof documentation that people want with the cameras is that cops&#039;ll find a way to document around the camera. Mitigating factors will be &#039;out of range of the camera&#039;. I think a better answer is to reduce the bullshit laws/reasons for official interactions between LEOs and the public. Let these guys be peace officers. Cameras are part of the solution, but they don&#039;t address the fundamental issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 |  chance</p>
<p>great point- equipment used by police/fire/ems is under a real high stress level and frequently breaks down because of poor design/training. plus, there are countless examples of cops/firemen/other govt workers going into private sector to sell equipment to govt agencies. they already have a personal relationship with many of the buyers, so they&#8217;ll buy the new stuff and try to integrate the old with the new. even if all the equipment is top notch, there&#8217;s a good chance it&#8217;s not well-integrated.</p>
<p>the problem with bullet proof documentation that people want with the cameras is that cops&#8217;ll find a way to document around the camera. Mitigating factors will be &#8216;out of range of the camera&#8217;. I think a better answer is to reduce the bullshit laws/reasons for official interactions between LEOs and the public. Let these guys be peace officers. Cameras are part of the solution, but they don&#8217;t address the fundamental issue.</p>
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		<title>By: greenish</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That being said, I’m to the point where cops should have cameras surgically installed and operating 24/7&lt;/i&gt;

Which sounded like crazy talk to me, but then I thought wait, don&#039;t cops have extra powers even when off-duty? That should be the rule: more power than any other citizen, fewer &quot;rights&quot; than any other citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That being said, I’m to the point where cops should have cameras surgically installed and operating 24/7</i></p>
<p>Which sounded like crazy talk to me, but then I thought wait, don&#8217;t cops have extra powers even when off-duty? That should be the rule: more power than any other citizen, fewer &#8220;rights&#8221; than any other citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am no math wiz, but I&#039;ll give it a try.

Suppose that PG police are dumb. (How dumb are they?) They&#039;re so dumb, they can only keep dash cams operating 50% of the time.  What are the chances of an event where nine squad cars equiped with dash cams show up at an event and all nine camera&#039;s &quot;don&#039;t work&quot;?  ANSWER:  2 to the ninth power or one chance in 512.  If PG police are smart enough to keep the dash cam failure rate down to 33%, then the chances of nine failures is, well, kinda remote.  So which is it?  Are PG police dumb or dishonest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am no math wiz, but I&#8217;ll give it a try.</p>
<p>Suppose that PG police are dumb. (How dumb are they?) They&#8217;re so dumb, they can only keep dash cams operating 50% of the time.  What are the chances of an event where nine squad cars equiped with dash cams show up at an event and all nine camera&#8217;s &#8220;don&#8217;t work&#8221;?  ANSWER:  2 to the ninth power or one chance in 512.  If PG police are smart enough to keep the dash cam failure rate down to 33%, then the chances of nine failures is, well, kinda remote.  So which is it?  Are PG police dumb or dishonest?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 Cops are paranoid.  Any time a cop think he&#039;s being followed, the follower has a high-powered rifle that will shoot through his vest and is willing to use it.  This being PG County, McCarren and her cameraman are lucky they weren&#039;t just killed outright.

That being said, I&#039;m to the point where cops should have cameras surgically installed and operating 24/7, even off shift and on vacation.  Too many opportunities for abuse, and they should be under a microscope at all times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Cops are paranoid.  Any time a cop think he&#8217;s being followed, the follower has a high-powered rifle that will shoot through his vest and is willing to use it.  This being PG County, McCarren and her cameraman are lucky they weren&#8217;t just killed outright.</p>
<p>That being said, I&#8217;m to the point where cops should have cameras surgically installed and operating 24/7, even off shift and on vacation.  Too many opportunities for abuse, and they should be under a microscope at all times.</p>
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