Saturday Links/Open Thread

Saturday, December 20th, 2008
  • SWAT team mistakenly breaks into teenagers’ bedroom. Note that they were raiding the neighbor for a nonviolent crime (he was suspected of having child porn on his computer), and that he was released shortly after they confiscated his computer. If one of the teens had a gun in the room, this mistake would probably have resulted in a body or two.
  • Dick Cheney says he and he alone will decide which of his official documents get turned over to the National Archives. I wonder what novel legal theories David Addington & Co. will come up with to allow Cheney to continue asserting unlimited power after he leaves office?
  • President Bush’s “I had to kill the free market in order to save it” economics continues apace.
  • The most inane article you’ll read this week.
  • Pitchfork releases its annual list of albums you aren’t cool enough to have heard of.
  • The Buckeye Institute has filed suit on behalf of the Christian food co-op raided by the state’s Agriculture Department earlier this month.
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  • 29 Responses to “Saturday Links/Open Thread”

    1. #1 |  Lloyd | 

      Mr. Lind wants the mostly Southern Japanese auto plants to end up in the same shape as the mostly Northern GM/Ford/Chrysler auto plants? OK, but let’s call it the ‘deconstruction’, not the ‘reconstruction’.

    2. #2 |  tarran | 

      The sad thing is the comments on Mr Lind’s article: all the people cheering him on.

      And remember – those simpletons vote…

    3. #3 |  Michael | 

      What I could not believe is the crazy response by the father! Sure, no one thinks child porn is ever OK. But, to put your family’s lives in danger when police get into your side of the DUPLEX…….! They need better training.

      And to threaten the boys with guns is traumatic. I would see it as a form of torture. When I hear of these guys telling everybody to “shut the f__ up” when raiding their houses, unlawfully, it makes me livid! The innocent do not deserve these abusive tactics. If, maybe they would listen, instead of blowing everybody off with “shut the f___ up” maybe fewer of these stories would be published. It would not be alright with me and I would be finding out how I could go after the government for allowing such treatment in no knock raids. Or maybe , we should hold them more responsible when mistakes are made, or, make it harder to get warrants for the no knock raids. But, that will never happen. These bullies like abusing people while performing their raids. Even if some are illegal raids against innocent people.

      Oh, but I forgot. None of us are innocent!

    4. #4 |  Highway | 

      Yeah, the “Oh, well, if they were after some creepy guy who MIGHT have had child porn on his computer, then it’s ok that they crash around with machine guns in the dark, not knowing where they’re going…” attitude is just horrible.

    5. #5 |  Marty | 

      I guess those Independence cops didn’t want anyone flushing all that child porn down the toilet?

    6. #6 |  DJB | 

      “The most inane article you’ll read this week. ”

      Yes it was.

    7. #7 |  Bob | 

      “…And with a language barrier involved, they weren’t sure at first if they had the man they were looking for. So they wanted to search everywhere in the house.”

      So… it was no accident. They intentionally entered areas they probably had no warrant for and terrorized innocent people.

      “..detectives had information that someone inside the target apartment could be armed.”

      First, everyone in Missouri has a gun. Second, owning a gun does not eliminate your 4th amendment rights. Now… if the guy had a history of violent crime involving guns, that would be different. But that’s not what I see here, I see the flimsy excuse of “There may be a gun” used as justification to get a warrant rubber stamped.

      Ever try to flush a computer down the toilet? I would think a detective and a uniformed officer knocking nicely on the door and being polite would have gotten the job done.

    8. #8 |  Billy | 

      “The South’s attempt to kill the North’s auto industry is the latest battle in an ongoing conflict.”

      The sad truth is the North’s death was suicide. One of the better examples of that is quite well documented in a movie called “Who Killed The Electric Car?”

    9. #9 |  Big Chief | 

      OK, I’ve got a different take on this one. First of all the article doesn’t state this was a no-knock of the suspect apartment. The only thing that makes me think that might be the case was the use of the word SWAT in the headline, but it’s NOT used in the article. It’s possible this was a knock and arrest, and even possible there was not a SWAT team. The only certain “no-knock” comes when the police break open a locked door in the residence, not knowing they were entering another residence (or so they say).

      The most surprising (and positive) thing about the story was the comment that the police were actually apologetic at the scene. One of the most depressing parts of most of these stories is the “you gotta break an egg” attitude by the police, even after the fact. It’s shocking if they were actually a SWAT team. I’d be interested to know if the city picked up the cost of putting the drywall up where the door was destroyed. The police will make some mistakes, but in cases where restitution can be made, it should be done quickly and easily.

    10. #10 |  Jozef | 

      I didn’t grow up in the US, so I’m not all that well informed about the reasons for the Civil War. The little I have learned (in communist schools, so it’s automatically suspect) was that southern states seceded because of economic imperialism imposed on them by the North, such as higher taxes. My teacher actually compared the Civil War to the Independence War, with one difference: in the more recent war, the secessionists lost. Please correct me if my teachings have been wrong.

      Given what little I know, I have the feeling that it was people like Lind who provoked the Civil War. People who don’t want to compete with a more efficient model, and always try to limit the efficient model to the extent where their favored model becomes more economically viable to the manufacturers, even though not to the customers. Let’s just hope more people than before have enough common sense not to listen to Lind & Co…

    11. #11 |  Kristen | 

      If it’s “[t]he most inane article you’ll read this week,” why would I bother reading it? There’s something to be said for not encouraging the stupidity of others…

    12. #12 |  ktc2 | 

      “I wonder what novel legal theories David Addington & Co. will come up with to allow Cheney to continue asserting unlimited power after he leaves office?”

      More hunting accidents?

    13. #13 |  Cliff | 

      >>>>>>>Today the division is no longer between slave and free states, or agrarian and industrial states, but between two models of industrial society — the Northern model, based on adequate public service funding and taxation and unionization, and the Southern model, based on low-tax, low-service government and low-wage, non-unionized, easily exploited labor.<<<<<<<

      If this is an insight into the mind of the modern liberal, it’s frightening to me…

    14. #14 |  Mikestermike | 

      *clean-up on isle 5*
      My head exploded. Please scrape Lind’s article from my brain and scoop it back into my skull. Thank you…

    15. #15 |  Les | 

      If it’s “[t]he most inane article you’ll read this week,” why would I bother reading it? There’s something to be said for not encouraging the stupidity of others…

      I think one should bother (if not to read it entirely, to at least skim over it) because it’s important to be familiar with the various types of nonsense held by large portions of the population. Same reason one should be familiar with the writings of people like Bill Kristol and Naomi Klein.

    16. #16 |  Chris Grieb | 

      The article was inane.

    17. #17 |  chsw | 

      The novel legal theory used by Mr. Addington might be the scope of power given to Mr. Clinton and his surrogates after he left office in 2001.

      As far as inane articles – any article mentioning “senate” and “Caroline Kennedy” is inane. She may be nice personally, but she is inexperienced politically and just got hammered for her poor showing upstate. There has to be a better choice than her. OTOH, with all the potential conflicts with ex-POTUS Clinton’s donor list, perhaps Senator Clinton’s confirmation is not a done deal.

      chsw

    18. #18 |  Les | 

      Hmm. I wonder, did I get voted down because someone believes people shouldn’t be familiar with popular viewpoints they disagree with, or because someone believes that Bill Kristol and/or Naomi Klein don’t write nonsense?

    19. #19 |  TC | 

      “The officers and detectives at the scene, once it was secure, they were very apologetic in expressing their sympathy for the scare his children might have experienced,” Cato said.”

      Simply AMAZING!!

    20. #20 |  TC | 

      Ya’ll know this RAID stuff aint gonna stop until, those currently doing the raiding, start gittin raided themselves! RIGHT?

    21. #21 |  Stephen | 

      “the reconstruction of the South, or the deconstruction of the U.S. economy.”

      How about reconstructing the NORTH without bailouts? It seems to me that the deconstruction of the U.S. economy has already happened.

      The north’s model is way obsolete already and anything that tries to keep the status quo just makes it worse in the end.

      I’ll go ahead and put words in the authors mouth: “Them damn southerners just need to be more like us northerners and then everything will be OK.”

      NOT!

    22. #22 |  Andrew Williams | 

      “I had to kill the United States in order to save it.”–President ?

    23. #23 |  Lior | 

      That article is not inane. It is a reminder that racism is alive and kicking in today’s US mainstream. This article is an explicit complaint about cheap coloured labour from the South competing with honest white labour in the North, as things were put in the past (at the time when the South “took over” the textile industry, for example).

    24. #24 |  tesla | 

      The “South’s Economic War on the North” article was very interesting. The author, Michael Lind, reveals many of his own biases and fears in very vivid detail (way too many to discuss in a blog comment!). He sees that the South is obviously more business friendly than the North and instead of pressing Northern states to trim their costs he wants to hanndicap the South. This dumbass thinks that Massachusetts is going to turn into backwoods Mississippi if MA becomes a cheaper place to do business. Unreal.

    25. #25 |  Frank | 

      Didn’t we see this kind of shit just before Civil War I?

    26. #26 |  The_Chef | 

      God that list of Music missed a lot of good stuff that got released. When lil’ wayne gets on a top 50 list I’m immediately suspicious, when that album beats Opeth’s Watershed release, or Amon Amarth’s Twilight of the Thunder God, I’m done.

      Fucking indie fans.

    27. #27 |  Mattocracy | 

      Most inane article indeed. Perhaps Lou Dobbs wrote under a pen name. Really shows that liberals will pull out McCain’s “Country First” mentality when it suits them best. I guess me and my Tacoma are just a couple of America hating southerners who are still mad about the Civil War and want to destroy the north. Because after all, this guy’s regional bigotry is ok compared to the bigotry he accuses all the rest of us of having.

    28. #28 |  icr | 

      >>>That article is not inane. It is a reminder that racism is alive and kicking in today’s US mainstream. This article is an explicit complaint about cheap coloured labour from the South competing with honest white labour in the North, as things were put in the past (at the time when the South “took over” the textile industry, for example)<<<

      I think if you check you’ll find out that a heavy majority of those Southern auto workers are evil white people.

    29. #29 |  Steven D. Rennet | 

      The fact that conservatarians (i.e., the right-wingers who stole the name “libertarian” from the anarchists and anarcho-syndicalists) hate Mr. Lind’s article so much is in my opinion a good argument for it.

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