Another Isolated Incident

Thursday, December 18th, 2008

But not a drug raid.  A prostitution raid.

It was a little before 8 at night when the breaker went out at Emily Milburn’s home in Galveston. She was busy preparing her children for school the next day, so she asked her 12-year-old daughter, Dymond, to pop outside and turn the switch back on.

As Dymond headed toward the breaker, a blue van drove up and three men jumped out rushing toward her. One of them grabbed her saying, “You’re a prostitute. You’re coming with me.”

Dymond grabbed onto a tree and started screaming, “Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.” One of the men covered her mouth. Two of the men beat her about the face and throat.

As it turned out, the three men were plain-clothed Galveston police officers who had been called to the area regarding three white prostitutes soliciting a white man and a black drug dealer.

All this is according to a lawsuit filed in Galveston federal court by Milburn against the officers. The lawsuit alleges that the officers thought Dymond, an African-American, was a hooker due to the “tight shorts” she was wearing, despite not fitting the racial description of any of the female suspects. The police went to the wrong house, two blocks away from the area of the reported illegal activity…

So you’d think that after the police figured out they had the wrong house, they’d apologize, and possibly even compensate the girl and her family. According to the lawsuit, you’d be wrong:

After the incident, Dymond was hospitalized and suffered black eyes as well as throat and ear drum injuries.

Three weeks later, according to the lawsuit, police went to Dymond’s school, where she was an honor student, and arrested her for assaulting a public servant. Griffin says the allegations stem from when Dymond fought back against the three men who were trying to take her from her home. The case went to trial, but the judge declared it a mistrial on the first day, says Griffin. The new trial is set for February.

I have a call into the Galveston district attorney and with Dymond Milburn’s lawyer. We’re going on a press account of one side of a lawsuit, here.  So it’s possible—and I would hope—that there are some important details missing.

Otherwise, a police mistake leads to an innocent 12-year-old getting violently snatched up and roughed up by a group of plainclothes cops jumping out of a van . . . and they charge her for resisting?

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247 Responses to “Another Isolated Incident”

  1. #1 |  ktc2 | 

    Fast forward a few months:

    The results of the Internal Affairs investigation reveals no violations by the officers or the police department involved and all procedures were properly followed.

    Dymond is in juvy because she refused to plead guilty to lesser charges.

    10:1 odds.

  2. #2 |  Kwix | 

    Damn, I certainly hope for their sake that there is more to the story. Otherwise, I would hope that residents would call for their heads, both for the kidnapping attempt raid and for the charge of assault and resisting.

  3. #3 |  John in VA | 

    Please God let this not be true. What is happening to our country? This is sickening!

  4. #4 |  Rick Caldwell | 

    Update: This is from the officers’ lawyer, William Helfand:

    Both the daughter and the father were arrested for assaulting a peace officer. “The father basically attacked police officers as they were trying to take the daughter into custody after she ran off.”

    Also, “The city has investigated the matter and found that the conduct of the police officers was appropriate under the circumstances,” Helfand says. “It’s unfortunate that sometimes police officers have to use force against people who are using force against them. And the evidence will show that both these folks violated the law and forcefully resisted arrest.”

  5. #5 |  KEITH SCULTHORPE | 

    Are all you people failing to understand the facts of this situation? The police department has conducted a full investigation and determined that – as usual – their behavior was fully correct and justifiable. How in the world can any of you then criticize them for beating a 12-year old girl and her father who did not know what upstanding professionals these undercover officers were? And, as the piece de resistance, the young lady had the temerity to wear tight shorts outside; who among us would not have thought her a prostitute under the same circumstances?

  6. #6 |  nicole | 

    Every time I think it’s impossible for the next “isolated incident” to be worse than the one before, I am proved wrong. The idea of a young girl brave enough to fight off three kidnappers then getting arrested for it, at school no less, is really nothing short of heartbreaking. And the idea that three grown men would have to beat a little girl about the face and throat? Disgusting.

  7. #7 |  John H. | 

    The police may of made a mistake but you still don’t resist. Hopefully this family will realize the police where trying to keep them safe and made a simple mistake. I hope the police were able to get to the correct house and break up the prostitution ring. It’s unfortunate things like this happen. Would you rather your daughter mistakenly rough up by the police or her to turn to prostitution later on?

    Just my two cents.

  8. #8 |  Cynical in CA | 

    Yes, it is disgusting.

    Jim Bell sure would know what to do.

  9. #9 |  Marty | 

    surely you didn’t think they got all dressed up to go dancing and they weren’t gonna dance, did you?

    Jim Bell, indeed!

  10. #10 |  Ginger Dan | 

    Why was the girl arrested at school? Did they “perp walk” her out of the cafeteria in front of her friends? You stay classy, GPD.

  11. #11 |  Alien | 

    I second that, nicole. You would think that 3 adult men fit enough to be police officers would have been able to restrain a 12 year old girl with all of the blows to the head and neck. Furthermore, it is disgusting that they expect someone to NOT resist when the police are in PLAIN CLOTHES. And THEN one says “You’re a prostitute. You’re coming with me.” If I heard that from someone in plain clothes who had physically latched onto me, I would think I was about to forced into providing sexual services.

    She was right to resist.

  12. #12 |  nova | 

    Who protects us from our ‘protectors?’

  13. #13 |  Nick T | 

    While I admire your judiciousness, Radley, i think we need to recognize that there is simply no set of cricumstances that justifies charging the CHILD for resisting arrest.

    This girls is an honor student and was treated at the hospital for injuries (those appear to be clear facts, not necessarily from the lawsuit). What type of exchange could possibly have occurred that night where afterwards, having days and days to think on it, the polcie refused to simply say (even in the distorted little shit-nugget brain of a cop) “we probably traumatized this child, and when she fought back, she was probably fighting out of fear, or uncertainty. Sure, she probably should have stopped once we idnetified ourselves, or when XYZ occurred and that little girl put up quite a fight and inflicted ABC injuries, but it was our mistake so let’s just call it a day?”

    Sorry, there is no conceivable set of facts that justify charging this child with a crime.

  14. #14 |  Highway | 

    I ran out of words to say about 4 incidents ago…

    “We arrested this 12 year old and her dad, because they fought back when 3 guy jumped out of a van in street clothes and tried to kidnap the girl. They claimed they were police, but punched, beat, and battered the two people.”

    It’s really starting to make me wonder: Where are the riots? Where are the protests? Where are the politicians? Where is ANYONE who is supposed to be in ‘government’ and ‘help people’? Where are they?

    I’ll tell you where they are: covering up for these goons! Saying “oh, well, the police did an internal investigation, and found everything was just fine with what they did!” How can anyone look at this and say ANYTHING about it is ‘fine’. I don’t CARE if they ‘followed procedures’. If they followed procedures, and crap like this happened, then the procedures are crap! Where are the calls to change them?

    How can anyone involved in this sleep at night?

  15. #15 |  Highway | 

    John H, you MUST be joking. So when DO you resist when 3 guys pop out of an unmarked van and try to kidnap you? You stop when they say ‘We’re the police!’? Hell no! Policemen aren’t supposed to beat the crap out of you! Policemen aren’t supposed to pile out of a van and kidnap you.

    Maybe you honestly think that a ‘prostitution ring’ is so awful that it justifies not only beating up an innocent girl and the father who’s trying to protect her, but also then later filing resisting arrest charges against her, when hopefully anyone would do the same. Do you honestly want your 12-year old daughter to not fight kidnappers? Really?

    There’s not a chance in hell that you do.

  16. #16 |  Dutch101 | 

    You would be amazed at the wording of most obstructing a peace officer and resisting arrest statutes. They more or less say that even if the police officer is acting in an illegal manner, if you obstruct or resist, you can legitimately be arrested. Truth of it is, probably half of the obstructing charges and a good portion of the resisting charges in this country are cops hiding behind the badge after some sort of stupendous lapse in judgement. In the end, it’s a way for them to get you when they have no real reason to get you, or smokescreen for cases where they have seriously screwed the pooch.

  17. #17 |  Nathan | 

    Dear John H.,

    Little girls get pulled off the street for one reason: kidnap and/or rape. If you were a good father, two things would already be in place. First, you would have taught her to fight back if someone attacks her. Second, you would have the balls to go fight off those people.

    I hope you get ass-raped by a cop with a billy-club during a routine stop, requiring a hospital visit and stitches. And then you can say, “Oh, don’t resist! It’s their job!”

  18. #18 |  J | 

    If the ‘plain clothes’ police did not identify themselves as cops, then she cannot be blamed for assulting a police officer.

  19. #19 |  joe dauz | 

    OMG, What did you expect.
    This happened in Texas a state thats proud to have Bush the child killer as a resident.

    Halt Police, your under arrest… Na thats for sissies and in Texas they dont seem to care about human and legal rights of citizens or criminals.

  20. #20 |  H | 

    “You’re a prostitute. You’re coming with me.”

    WTF?

    Reminded me of “Rush Hour” when at the end of the movie on the blooper reel/credits the cop yells out to Chris Tucker. “Show me your ass!” Chris Tucker replies, “Show me your ass? You some gay-ass cops”.

  21. #21 |  Bernard | 

    It’s getting so that there’s an easy way to tell if the people trying to break into your home or kidnap you are on official business. If they’re in any way courteous or tentative about administering violence then they’re criminals and should be attacked with impunity.

    If they’re beyond reasonably violent and show no qualms whatsoever in any form of misbehaviour then they’re agents of the government and you should defer to their every whim or face charges of resisting (which will probably come anyway, especially if they don’t find whatever it was they came looking for).

    It’s nice of them to help us differentiate the common criminals from the uncommon ones.

  22. #22 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    I’m thinking the harshest of harsh punishments (paid leave) will really put the fear of God into others and inspire changes.

  23. #23 |  Mark T | 

    Highway, don’t worry, judging by his grammar and spelling he is incapable of resisting brainwashing.

  24. #24 |  Cynical in CA | 

    I’m still trying to decide if John H’s comment was cleverly disguised sarcasm.

    If not, I thought this site didn’t attract the sort of shallow thinkers and mouth-breathers who would post such inanity.

    Perhaps we’ll be graced with a clarification.

  25. #25 |  Michael Pack | 

    I thought children are taught to fight back and run if a strange tries to grab them?In my neck of the woods the father would have came out with a shotgun.

  26. #26 |  sappari, zenzen » Blog Archive » 12-year-old in “tight shorts” = prostitute? | 

    [...] The Agitator, a tale of cops who seemingly just wanted to beat up a black kid. It was a little before 8 at night [...]

  27. #27 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    “Would you rather your daughter mistakenly rough up by the police or her to turn to prostitution later on?

    Just my two cents.”

    John, if those are our only two options, I think we should all call it quits.

    At two cents, you overpaid.

    Never saw a -28 (and climbing) before.

  28. #28 |  alek | 

    you neglected to quote this part:
    “Since the incident more than two years ago…”

    Hmmm, so this happened in 2006? For something so outrageous why has nobody heard of the case until now? If it happened last week it would be one thing, that it happened so long ago and is somehow news now, I can not help but view this case with some suspicion. It is a horrific tale, yet I seriously doubt it is being retold with accuracy now. Something happened, obviously, but reactions should be based on all the facts, not just hype over a recount of a two year old event.

  29. #29 |  Dwight P. | 

    I hope very much that the ACLU will become involved in this case… the police’s behavior shows a profound lack of moral consciousness at every level, as well as the obviously faulty procedure which allowed these particular officers to feel that their behavior was remotely acceptable, or even vaguely bordering on the realm of reason. Suggestions that these are our general protectors and that events such as this are merely isolated are absurd and depressingly unnuanced. Like any of us, when performing a certain task or holding a certain job for a certain amount of time, we tend to accentuate our self-image as the arbiters of what is acceptable in our respective exploits. When these officers make an arrest of any kind or detain anyone for any reason, they’re executing the same program of justice they would under any other circumstance, and even if the context of a certain incident leaves a smaller possibility for misbehavior, their personal “program” of justice remains the same. It is thus rightfully horrifying to imagine people who have cultivated such a poor capacity for moral adjudication in positions of authority (to say nothing of them being outrageous morons); particularly positions that legitimize violence.

  30. #30 |  Bill | 

    John H, I tried to come up with a reasoned and polite response to your comment…but it’s not possible, because it’s about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Here’s my best shot:

    1) There is no reason to believe that the three guys who jumped out of the van in any way identified themselves as police…and even if they did, why would anyone believe them, based on their conduct?

    2) Why in the world would you assume that just because there’s an alleged “prostitution ring” in the neighborhood (assuming that the cops got that right) that this girl would magically be transformed into a prostitute. After all, it’s not as though these cops, by hanging out with thugs with absolutely no intelligence or ethics, became just…like…

    Oh. Never mind.

  31. #31 |  barneyrubble | 

    Let this city know how you feel about this…

    http://www.cityofgalveston.org/contact/default.cfm

  32. #32 |  thomasblair | 

    John H’s comment must surely be poorly written satire. No human being could possibly blame the girl for trying to fight off three men who jump out of a van and grab and beat her.

    What are the names of the three officers? Any of them named John Harris?

  33. #33 |  Rick Caldwell | 

    John H… WTF?! I’ve never heard… no…damn. Just damn.

  34. #34 |  Mike Leatherwood | 

    Wow. Couldn’t find this in the Galveston COunty Daily News or the Houston Chronicle. Looks to me like they’re gonna keep this low-key. Would not be the first time Galveston Island coppers played mercenary on the populace, and evidently won’t be the last
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/bay/news/6041637.html

  35. #35 |  Bill | 

    As to the rest of this story, as the parent of a 14 year old daughter, this one really pushes my buttons. I am a Christian as well as a libertarian, and I do try to follow the “turn the other cheek, love your neighbor, respect authority” thing as well as I can. Most people think I’m a pretty nice guy. But today, I am hearing the Jim Bell comments loud and clear. “Cops” like this are a disgrace, and right now I really wish that this girl’s dad had managed to do some serious harm to them. I’d also very much wish to see THEIR names in the newspaper as well as the names of their victims. Something needs to happen to these guys, hopefully through the legal system, to take away the authority that they have abused.

  36. #36 |  Crockett | 

    I’m now to the point that I absolutely despise ALL cops.

    If I saw Osama Bin-Laden breaking a 2×4 over a cop’s head, I’d ask Osama if he wanted me to go to Home Depot for another 2×4.

  37. #37 |  thomasblair | 

    Vote John H!

    …because someone has to have the worst comment on record.

  38. #38 |  Michael | 

    The more I see this kind of stuff the more I think that it is going to take more than the courts to change the LE attitude! They should be fired! Did everything according to procedures!? I agree with the above comment. A shotgun would have been in my hands if my daughter had been grabbed by kidnappers, in her own yard! Then, like Ryan Frederick, the charge would have been first degree murder! But it would have been more than just one of them shot! They could not have produced their credentials fast enough! Society has corrupted itself!

  39. #39 |  Rick Caldwell | 

    No human being could possibly blame the girl for trying to fight off three men who jump out of a van and grab and beat her.

    That’s where you’re wrong, unfortunately. These three cops, the judge who certified the charges, the grand jury, and whoever completed the internal investigation…

    all blamed the girl to one degree or another.

  40. #40 |  Steve | 

    I don’t normally comment, and I’ve been a long time reader. But, I surprised myself when I yelled out loud (enough for my neighbors to hear) “What the fuck!” when I saw that this girl was arrested. The fact she was arrested is despicable in itself (let alone the rest of the circumstances with the incident), but the fact she was arrested (much later) at school is beyond reproach. Every single officer involved, all the way up to the chief and/or commissioner, should summarily be fired.

    I have friends who are police and FBI, but I don’t believe that I could ever excuse them if they were involved in a comparable situation.

    Cynicism aside: Obviously, it’s not about the children, anymore. Apparently, it’s about government power and putting the people in their place.

  41. #41 |  real question | 

    as they rushed this girl into a van was she Miranda-ized? it doesn’t state it anywhere.

    if so…well, you’ve all watched law and order.

  42. #42 |  Steve Verdon | 

    If it weren’t cops doing the snatch-and-grab along with the roughing up the men so charged would also likely be facing registration on a sex offenders list as well. If I were the girl’s parents that is what I’d do, march down with my lawyer to the police department and file attempted kidnapping and rape charges.

  43. #43 |  Ganja Blue | 

    So the cops start growling and salivating when they get the call to go bust some hookers, you know because they can’t beat their wives like this and get away with it. When they didn’t find the women they were looking for they turned on the next available target. This sounds like sociopathic behavior to me. My hope is that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton don’t turn this into a circus. All girls, black and white need to be protected FROM the police, not by them.

    After reading the headline, I thought this was going to be a story about a no-knock raid. My next thought was “how do you flush a prostitute.” Seriously, sex worker abuse is a real problem. A trangendered sex worker was beaten by a cop in Memphis, and later turned up dead. The cop was fired, but only after a video tape surfaced. I think beating hookers, like shooting family dogs, has become SOP for the police.

  44. #44 |  Scott | 

    The mayor’s address – lydaannthomas@cityofgalveston.org

  45. #45 |  thomasblair | 

    Rick Caldwell,

    Normally, I’m happy to admit error, but it is with solemnity that I must stand corrected.

  46. #46 |  Lucy | 

    Oh my God. I can’t believe they did that to a 12 year old girl! Even if she had been a prostitute, why the hell would that make sense to treat her that way?

    This is just another message that we shouldn’t fight back when we’re in trouble. We shouldn’t resist. We should just wait if and until the cops are ready to help us. Every incident like this is to discourage people from being able to take care of themselves. But this was a 12 year old girl being dragged into a van. What the hell did they expect her to do?

    I can’t even respond to this without being full of rage.

  47. #47 |  Memphis Steve | 

    In Maryland they kicked in a door and charged at a woman. When her husband jumped between her and the police invaders they kicked him in the groin as hard as they could. Then they determined they had the wrong house. They left without apologizing or expressing any regret. When a complaint was filed they continued to refuse to apologize, express regret, or explain why the police are sexually assaulting men as a matter of policy. When the police use sexual violence like this it becomes impossible to respect the law. You can’t tell the criminals from the cops anymore and the law is meaningless.

  48. #48 |  MacK | 

    John H.
    “Would you rather your daughter mistakenly rough up by the police or her to turn to prostitution later on?”

    I’m with others, and hope you are being facetious; however if not are you saying that by the cops beating a girl it will prevent them from being prostitutes?

    If those somehow are the only choices, then I would truly hope my daughter was a prostitute rather then have fat ass, mentally incompetent cops beat on her!

    Fortunately my daughter was never beat by the cops, and somehow managed to graduate college, but it is nice to know she can always prostitute herself if needed.

  49. #49 |  real question | 

    Sounds like a broken administration doing whatever it can to inflate the arrest records for the City. Did they even produce credentials to here as they “abducted her?” If not good bye arrest. hello lawsuit.

  50. #50 |  alek | 

    ya know…. I think it is about time to call this one out as a possible hoax:
    http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=18719061
    http://www.takkle.com/people/7133690/-/profile/

  51. #51 |  Dan | 

    The cops are lucky they didn’t get shot.

  52. #52 |  Edwin Sheldon | 

    As Dymond headed toward the breaker, a blue van drove up and three men jumped out rushing toward her. One of them grabbed her saying, “You’re a prostitute. You’re coming with me.”
    Transcript of Internal Affairs investigation:

    “But she had a prostitute name!”

  53. #53 |  Theo | 

    Even if she was a prostitute, how on EARTH can the police justify a raid operation like this? Where the hell are these undercover cops dragging gangs, muggers, rapists and other criminals off the streets? Why the fuck is prostitution dealt with this way and not real crime?

  54. #54 |  Roddy Graham | 

    People of The United States

    You are sleepwalking into a Police State. If only the same were not true of the United Kingdom, I might feel superior to you. When the police start behaving like this it is time to get rid of them.

  55. #55 |  Radley Balko | 

    #50 –

    So the girl has a couple of web pages. How does that make this a hoax?

  56. #56 |  Molly | 

    I like how this is on the front page of Galveston’s online newspaper:

    “Lifestyle

    Safety tips to protect kids this holiday season
    Keep a watchful eye on little ones when you’re visiting friends and family for the holidays; their homes may not be child-proofed.”

    http://www.galvnews.com/
    (scroll down)

  57. #57 |  freedomfan | 

    I am among those who think that her father would have been perfectly justified in shooting all three of the abductors in that situation. I can tell you that if I saw that three plain-clothed men had jumped out of an unmarked van and engaged in activities that could not be instantly distinguished from kidnapping my daughter, my only detour before rushing outside would have been to grab a weapon and turn off the safety. For sure, I would be dead now, but that’s how it would have played out.

    Nevermind that the officers are idiots and clearly just jumped on the first female they saw, without checking the description. Nevermind that “looking like a prostitute” is not a crime. And, nevermind that it looks like they planned to arrest (not just question) someone on a mere report of prostitution, without confirming that any actual crimes had taken place. (In other words, it doesn’t appear that the cops were going to pose as johns and see if she would offer services.) All of those are already deplorable police procedure.

    My question for the GPD is did they think at all about what their actions would look like to an observer? Why an unmarked car? Why plain-clothed cops? It seems obvious that such an arrest scenario would look like a kidnapping to an observer. Could the police honestly not see that?

    Unthinking police supporters will say the twelve-year-old girl should have had the presence of mind to stop resisting when her assailants claimed they were cops, if they ever did. I say bullshit. That attitude is exactly equivalent to saying that real kidnappers need only to say they are cops (and maybe flash a costume-shop badge) and their victims should come along – unresisting – into an unmarked vehicle. No parent should teach his kids to place themselves in a dangerous situation just because some thug says he is a cop.

  58. #58 |  roy | 

    Was he resisting with her throat?

  59. #59 |  Rick Caldwell | 

    The police may of made a mistake…

    It’s may have, asswipe.

    …but you still don’t resist…

    Someone in plain clothes who grabs you and calls you a prostitute? Yes… Yes, you do.

    Hopefully this family will realize the police where…

    Were. Not where. Were. Without the haitch.

    trying to keep them safe and made a simple mistake.

    That’s not the part that makes a rational person’s blood boil. After they realized the nature of the mistake, they invented charges to screw with these people while a lawsuit was in progress. And… and… the internal cover up investigation found that the cops hadn’t done anything wrong. The mistake is the least of the problems here.

    I hope the police were able to get to the correct house…

    Which was two f’ing blocks away.

    …and break up the prostitution ring.

    Before anybody gets hurt, you mean?

    It’s unfortunate things like this happen.

    It’s unfortunate that I always lose a sock in the laundry. It’s abuse when things like this happen.

    Would you rather your daughter mistakenly rough up by the police or her to turn to prostitution later on?

    Is that what would have happened, if they hadn’t beaten her down? Really?

    Just my two cents.

    Didn’t need it. Really.

  60. #60 |  Ganja Blue | 

    @alek @radley I’m not sure why you say hoax. I did notice that the girl’s profile on the first link says she’s 17. But that’s exactly why you should never take a woman at her word about her age, that is if you want to stay out of prison. Just because she has a Bebo profile doesn’t make her a hooker.

  61. #61 |  Bob | 

    As far as I can tell, there is a civil suit pending:

    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-txsdce/case_no-3:2008cv00193/case_id-603449/

    Gilbert Gomez, of course… is the leader of the vice and narcotics force there, I expect the other 3 are the actual goon squad assigned to do the grab.

    Call me highly cynical, but I simply cannot accept the stated reason for the attempted arrest of the young girl. The situation is just so far beyond the pale of rational behavior that I have to consider a far more nefarious reason for 3 guys in a van to kidnap a 12 year old girl.

    Lucky for them they’re cops! So when the grab goes bad, they can fall back on the “We’re vice cops doing our job!” excuse complete with the nigh impenetrable shield of defense afforded officers by the courts.

    Apparently… they do all the high grade raids in Galveston, like this one:

    http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou070622_jj_neighborhoodnuisance.3fdb102.html

    Note the stunning amount of contraband seized in that daring raid:
    “They reported seizing about one gram of cocaine, which apparently had been packaged for sale, prescription pills and a gun.”

    A whole gram! Why… with that amount of product, a dealer could set up shop and be in business for … 2 or 3 minutes!

  62. #62 |  alek | 

    @Ganja Blue

    the websites combined with the fact that the source article lists this as something that happened “more than two years ago” leads me to think that it is very likely to be fabrication.

    how many other sources have you found for this story?

  63. #63 |  Sunshine Steve | 

    You can’t tell me we don’t live under a tyrannical government.

    You’re a goddamned traitor to your country if you support this sort of thing. Just do everyone a favor and die already.

    No patriot can possibly support this sort of behavior, replayed across the country a thousand times a day. The police are corrupt, unaccountable for their actions, and directly threaten the freedom of this great nation. They must be stopped.

    Our grandfathers and great grandfathers who fought and died to stop the fascists in WW2 would puke to see us roll over to tyranny like this. It goes against everything America has ever stood for to live in fear of our government! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

    LIVE FREE OR DIE!

    In other words, get off your ass and do something about it!

  64. #64 |  real question | 

    actually…now that I think about it, is this incident (however extremely heinous) unlike the rest of Texas “Bubba” Police Department’s rash of criminal or unethical behavior? I’m not saying all TX cops are bad. But if they “defend” the actions of their comrades, knowing their action were wrong, that makes them just as guilty as “The Three Rambos.” IMHO.

    Next they’ll be joining the KKK with the Sheriff’s department in Williamson County (google it!)

    The buddy system is alive and well in Texas. Saaaa-lute!

  65. #65 |  shocked | 

    All kids get training from the time they are in preschool to keep them safe from predators. One of the first things they learn is pedifiles pass themselves off as police. And that no police person will be angry with a child that fights them.

    So a child thinks she is being abducted and fights as she was taught. Not only should the cops in this case face charges, but the prosecutor pressing this case should be facing charges.

  66. #66 |  Ben | 

    Could someone provide us with the e-mail or number for this police station? This it totally unacceptable. They were on their own God damn property and assaulted by non-uniformed officers… would I respond in the same way? Hell yes, and it was be totally lawful for the homeowner to use force, whatever that may mean.

  67. #67 |  Jim Strathmeyer | 

    I guess this is why the police don’t want us to have guns.

  68. #68 |  Lee | 

    As other’s have stated, I would would not have assaulted the cops, I would have shot them.

  69. #69 |  Alessandro Cima | 

    You cannot arrest people for prostitution without evidence that they are in fact soliciting for prostitution. The officers clearly had not entrapped the girl and had no evidence of prostitution. Their act was clearly illegal and should result in penalties for all the involved officers. Resisting the attack was exactly the right thing for the child and her father to do.

    As a rule, shooting people in ordinary clothes who jump out of vehicles and attack children is perfectly legal. Attack them, shoot them, whatever, and leave them in the street and then tell police that you were convinced someone’s life was under immediate threat. It will work every time. Being a police officer is very dangerous. Especially in plain clothes. It gives ordinary people the right to shoot you if you don’t do your job correctly because they can always argue that they thought you were a threat to their lives.

  70. #70 |  Mike T | 

    The only injustice in this case, is that the police went home that night.

  71. #71 |  Ikon | 

    This is sickening. If a riot breaks out where I live, I’ll be the first to throw a fucking molotov bomb at our local police force.

    I have experienced firsthand the abuse cops force ordinary citizens to undergo. The ratio of good cop to bad cop is 1/10 out there. Our government sees no problem in civilian casualties as long as they get the main group they are after, likewise, I say we kill off all the cops, if a few good ones get in the way, oh well. Casualties of war.

  72. #72 |  jessemoya | 

    I thought this was why Texans had guns?

  73. #73 |  Mike T | 

    John H,

    The police may of made a mistake but you still don’t resist. Hopefully this family will realize the police where trying to keep them safe and made a simple mistake. I hope the police were able to get to the correct house and break up the prostitution ring. It’s unfortunate things like this happen. Would you rather your daughter mistakenly rough up by the police or her to turn to prostitution later on?

    Three men pop out of a van at night and act like they’re kidnapping my daughter, I won’t give them a chance to tell me what they’re doing. I will have at least seven rounds from my handgun emptied into them before they get a chance to identify themselves.

    I applaud this guy for not killing them. In Texas and Louisiana, you have to be extra careful because kidnapped little girls often end up being lost forever as hookers in Mexico.

  74. #74 |  Frank | 

    It sounds more to me like these three officers were involved in “recruiting” for a prostitution ring, and used a bogus cover story when their new candy resisted. It’s amazing that IA didn’t pursue that avenue of thought. It’s also another reason why all internal investigations in any police department should be reviewed by outside departments in cities at least 100 miles away, warranting state or federal investigations if something doesn’t add up.

    The idea that the police get to police themselves leads to situations like this.

    Assuming that this story is actually true, natch.

  75. #75 |  Tom G | 

    You know Radley, each story such as this simply adds more weight to the arguments made by agorists, anarchists, and anarcho-capitalists about the necessity and practicality of using free-market private defense agencies instead of state police forces. In the face of these stories, it’s really hard to say that the current system is the superior one.

  76. #76 |  Cynical in CA | 

    #60 | Bob | December 18th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    As far as I can tell, there is a civil suit pending:

    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-txsdce/case_no-3:2008cv00193/case_id-603449/

    Good work, Bob. That puts the hoax allegation to bed.

    Fuck off, Alek.

  77. #77 |  John H. | 

    Highway -

    I’m guessing you never had a run in with the law.

    Everything you learned in school, was to make you feel good. Your guilty until the police determine your not.

    I don’t like it any better than you. It is what it is.

    -J

  78. #78 |  agreekdude | 

    you guys need some greek cojones :)

  79. #79 |  Bob | 

    Ruh Roh! The Texas Rangers are on the scene!

    http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou080519_tnt_gpdtheft.ce8e15c.html

    Yoinks! The lost teh drugs and teh cash that were stored in the Evidence Room.

    Even the cops are afraid of Chuck Norris! Now we’re gunna see the heads fly.

    However, it looks like this investigation started back in May. I wonder what came of that?

  80. #80 |  Alan | 

    “This is why police don’t want us to have guns”? This happened in Galveston which is, last I checked, one of the more heavily armed counties in Texas.

    It’s probably a good thing that the father didn’t have a gun. If he did, he’d likely be dead right now.

  81. #81 |  aliquot | 

    @alek – I doubt it’s a hoax. courthousenews.com has a record of the lawsuit her parents are filing against those cops.

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/08/26/GalvestonCops.pdf

    This is the original complaint (=lawsuit) filed by Dymond’s parents, and contains the details reported above and more.

    As for Dymond’s age, these records from her track club list her as born in ’93, so she’s 15, not 17:

    http://flashresults.com/flashtexas/AAUGulfJO07/Results.htm

    So it’s entirely plausible that she was 12 “more than 2 years ago”.

    None of this was hard to find, I just googled her name. Moral of the story: Don’t call HOAX before looking into more than just the first 2 links that come up in Google!

  82. #82 |  Michael Chaney | 

    Radley, you missed the part about the puppy:

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/08/26/Parents_Say_Four_Cops_Beat_Girl_12.htm

    “Four plainclothes Galveston police officers beat a 12-year-old girl in the head in her own yard, beat her with a flashlight, accused her of being a prostitute and threatened to shoot her puppy…”

  83. #83 |  Scooby | 

    Here is the complaint in the civil suit:

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/08/26/GalvestonCops.pdf

  84. #84 |  Fred | 

    The officers in this case definitely messed up; but people are going to have to learn that it’s not wise to fight police officers who are attempting to execute an arrest or conduct police business. It makes no sense at all for an innocent 12-year-old girl to resist arrest and fight the cops, especially because she hadn’t done anything wrong to that point, and also because there is no way a 12-year-old girl is going to be able to fight off grown police officers. It’s ridiculous. There has to be enough trust of the system to allow oneself to be arrested and then to cooperate fully so that the officers can discover they made a mistake and release you. Fighting the police just made Dymond look guilty and caused her a lot of problems that could have been easily avoided.

    I blame the rap music idiots (remember Public Enemy’s “Fight The Power”?) and the culture of victimology for encouraging so many people to have this patented response that you’re supposed to resist arrest and fight the cops no matter what. It doesn’t make sense to fight and resist, and in most of these cases (Rodney King, Shaun Bell, etc.), those guys didn’t get hurt until they started trying to go on high-speed chases or resist arrest.

    Getting pulled over or questioned by the cops can be scary or unfair; but the right response is to cooperate and follow their instructions. You can always lodge a protest or hire an attorney after the incident is over. Anyone who suggests or implies that it is smart or morally right to resist the cops is an idiot and is responsible for urging people to risk their lives needlessly. Police officers DO make mistakes; but resisting arrest or being aggressive at the time of an arrest will only get someone needlessly hurt or killed.

  85. #85 |  Gil | 

    This is the only information, other than an article in the HuffPost, that I could find on the web. Unfortunately I don’t have the security clearance to access the results of the lawsuit

    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-txsdce/case_no-3:2008cv00193/case_id-603449/

  86. #86 |  BamBam | 

    Who protects us from our ‘protectors?’

    Springfield, Glock, and Mossberg, with some backup from Smith and Wesson.

  87. #87 |  wunder | 

    Fred, are you kidding/being sarcastic, or did you not read the article or all the comments?

    They were in PLAIN CLOTHES. Three men in plain clothes jump out of a van and grab me, I sure as hell am going to fight, even if they say they’re the police. And if I can get to my gun in time, well I’d probably end up as one of Radley’s statistics.

  88. #88 |  John Cain | 

    Fred, you’re an idiot. How was the girl supposed to know these men were police officers, as they were in plain clothes?

  89. #89 |  Olek | 

    Fred, fuck you. Police officers were in plainclothes.

  90. #90 |  Scott | 

    If my daughter was being kidnapped by people who have not shown a badge, even if they claimed to be police officers, I would kill them. Criminals claim to be police officers all the time, and it makes no sense for cops to beat up a little girl, regardless of if she was accused of prostitution.

    They should be praising the father for not running outside with a butcher knife. Kidnapping is a serious crime.

  91. #91 |  Outrageous — 12-year-old arrested for resisting police assault « A Record: My Time at MIT | 

    [...] arrested for resisting police assault Published December 18, 2008 Uncategorized From The Agitator: It was a little before 8 at night when the breaker went out at Emily Milburn’s home in [...]

  92. #92 |  Cynical in CA | 

    John H. changed his name to Fred.

    Nice try.

  93. #93 |  PC | 

    It sounds like the police were trying to kidnap a girl for a child prostitution ring and got caught.

  94. #94 |  Cynical in CA | 

    #75 | Tom G | December 18th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
    You know Radley, each story such as this simply adds more weight to the arguments made by agorists, anarchists, and anarcho-capitalists about the necessity and practicality of using free-market private defense agencies instead of state police forces. In the face of these stories, it’s really hard to say that the current system is the superior one.

    Well, Radley, seems the anarchist sentiment on this blog of yours is growing. Maybe you’d like to have a go at some of those logical arguments you claim to have refuted. I’m curious where the holes in anarchist logic lie. Please enlighten.

  95. #95 |  Edwin Sheldon | 

    Fred–
    Was that a joke? If not, did you read the article? She didn’t resist police. She resisted men in plain clothes who grabbed her.

  96. #96 |  Halley | 

    Come on, Fred, don’t be a dumbass. The cops were in plain clothes. The girl had no way of knowing they were cops, and every reason to believe they were kidnappers and rapists.

    There’s a very legitimate reason rap music tends to be anti-police. Instances like this would be it.

  97. #97 |  disgusted | 

    We need to start holding these officials accountable for their actions. Obviously they will not find themselves guilty of anything. So we need to take it onto our selves to remedy these situations.

  98. #98 |  justjoeindenver | 

    All of you pathetic surrender-monkeys who argue “not to resist” when you are blindsided by jack-booted thugs coming uninvited onto personal property where they had no warrant and observed no illegal activities deserve the kick in the head that you will inevitably receive. Someone touches my daughter in my home? You’d better believe I’m going to fight back. There’d be some dead cops trying to defend themselves against my state’s Make My Day law had it happened here. The police are public servants – remind them on occasion just whom they work for – they love that!

  99. #99 |  supercat | 
    No human being could possibly blame the girl for trying to fight off three men who jump out of a van and grab and beat her.

    That’s where you’re wrong, unfortunately. These three cops, the judge who certified the charges, the grand jury, and whoever completed the internal investigation all blamed the girl to one degree or another.

    The two statements are not contradictory; indeed, I think both are correct. The original poster said human being could blame the girl; the original poster did not claim that all agents of the state qualify.

  100. #100 |  Galveston Police department, YOU FAIL AT LIFE « a foray into the ordinary | 

    [...] http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/18/another-isolated-incident-26/ [...]

  101. #101 |  Grumfan | 

    Fred, Next time read more carefully before jumping to your preffered position. These were plainclothes cops who (apprently) never identified themselves as police officers. Her father (had he been armed and seeing it as it happened ) would have been totally justified in shooting them.

    And I wish he had. *ssh*les!

  102. #102 |  TC | 

    Article indicates incident happened two years ago, Girl age: 12

    Dymond sites indicate girl is currently age: 17

    This could be the same problem the Chinese gymnasts have? :)

    Just wondering is all.

    But I will echo with clarity had this been my daughter more than likely the morgue would have been involved for cleanup!

  103. #103 |  PersonFromPorlock | 

    #62 alek, the basic tactic of all governmental coverups is to drag things out in the hopes the plaintiffs will lose interest and go away. That probably explains the ‘tardiness’ of the suit.

    #83 Fred, your post as “John H” didn’t work very well, either.

  104. #104 |  Justin | 

    Fred, you are an idiot. They were in plain clothes. I would have assumed this was a child abduction too.

    “Police officers DO make mistakes; but resisting arrest or being aggressive at the time of an arrest will only get someone needlessly hurt or killed.”

    Little girls listening to plain clothed strangers coming from an unmarked van who grab them (little girls) will result in little girls needlessly getting hurt or killed.

  105. #105 |  PC | 

    It looks like a Galveston cop was busted on prostitution charges:

    http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou070920_jj_galvestoncopprostitution.f10447e2.html

  106. #106 |  supercat | 

    I applaud this guy for not killing them.

    How his father’s failure to remove some thugs from the government payroll, laudable? It may be fortunate for him, and while I would hardly condemn him for his failure, I see no reason to praise him for it.

  107. #107 |  claude | 

    This sort of thing must be an addiction for certain cops. Do they no longer get the same buzz from just shooting the family dog? I bet we see more of this stuff in 2009. Its an escalation in sociopathic criminal behavior.

  108. #108 |  Justin | 

    In my state, the law states that if you witness illegal use of force upon a person on your own property, you may take what measures you deem necessary to defend that person.

    In my state, those men would have been shot. They would have been shot rightfully so. The moment, the very MOMENT I heard my child yell for me, there would have been a gun pointed in their direction. If that didn’t change things, a trigger would have been pulled.

    Now, I’m not a violent person. However, the first thing that pops to mind when I think about that situation? Rape. I would have assumed that someone were attempting to rape my child, which is a conclusion anyone would jump to, and taken measures to prevent that kind of horror from being visited unto my child.

    The very idea of plain-clothes police, while it might have its merits, seems ridiculous to me. Not only does it lead to complete misunderstandings, it both puts police in danger as well as making them feel invincible. They’re not in uniform, so therefore they don’t have to follow the usual rules.

    I don’t care what the circumstances were. Unless they clearly presented themselves as officers of the law, as well as presenting a warrant and declaring the suspected crime, then they are worse than inhuman. They are scum, plain and simple, and if that girl fought back, then she deserves a peaceful resolution to this problem, end of story.

  109. #109 |  George Meng | 

    The officers involved ought to decorate the Galveston Christmas tree as punishment.

  110. #110 |  Jason | 

    Why does this stuff never make it into the national news?
    http://rightklik.blogspot.com/

  111. #111 |  Kevin | 

    Why, out of four “peace officers,” as they have been so aptly described, is there not at least one of them that noticed a twelve year old black girl did not meet the bulletin description of three (3), white, prostitutes, soliciting, two (2) blocks away??? There has to be more to this story, but the account seems pretty damning as they stand. There’s not too much the police can do to defend themselves in situations like this but try and save face in the face of a potential lawsuit by arresting the victims on bogus charges for something that I, for one, hope that anyone in a similar situation as the plaintiffs in the civil suit would do the exact same thing.

    You would think, though, this would have made headlines earlier than today… Why is this all of a sudden becoming news?

    To me, this is, while unfortunate, just more fuel on the fire, however small the fire may be. Regardless of what really happened, which we may never know after this story fades from the collective media’s memory, this type of incident does happen. Hopefully, the citizens of this country – collectively, in unison – will begin to take back some of our rights, instead of just sitting here talking about it as usual. I’m ready. Are you?

    For the record, I don’t think the fire is small. It’s just unorganized. Amazing: as close as we are all now, we are seemingly farther away than hundreds of years ago.

  112. #112 |  Phil | 

    Fred, you’re retarded.
    They were in plain clothes and came out of an unmarked van. They _may_ have said they were police, but what difference does that make?
    Oh I know, we should teach our kids to be wary of strangers, _unless_ they say they are police, in which case you should do whatever they ask.
    “C’mon little girl, get in this van with me, I’m a policeman. If you don’t, I’ll charge you with resisting arrest”.

  113. #113 |  Tamoth | 

    ok listen. You people who are saying “well she shouldnt have resisted arrest” . She didnt know she was being arrested, how would she?? They weren’t in cops uniforms. Even if they were, she’s 12 years old and being taken from her home and family by “big scary men”. It is absurd, ignorant and arrogant to expect a 12 year old little girl to stay calm in this situation

  114. #114 |  Tamoth | 

    RIght on Justing. You got your head on straight

  115. #115 |  PC | 

    Reading the lawsuit against the officers, why did Officer Roark attempt to cover the girl’s mouth when she screamed for her dad? Is that normal police work? Sounds like a failed blitz attack.

  116. #116 |  ifitsoundslikeafoolthenitisone | 

    So what exactly justifies the need for undercover clothes? If they were in a van (most likely a rapemobile) then they’re blocked from view anyways. Oh, and shouldn’t it be necessary to flash your badge if you’re blowing cover?

  117. #117 |  Natassja | 

    Ok. Reading a story like this honestly pisses me the fuck off. Ok they’ve been doing investigative work, but what evidence do they have that show, that little girl is a prostitute. Police officers can fuck up and not get punished. This really irks me in all the wrong ways. Also they were fucking plain clothed cops, as everyone else is saying… they could have just been kidnappers.
    On another note, young girls dress more and more trashy every year because people don’t care anymore. So what if she was wearing short shorts, she was on her own property…..god

  118. #118 |  Mycroft | 

    Uh… I’ve been teaching my kids for years to resist strangers trying put them in a vehicle. Just because the cops attorney says they are innocent doesn’t mean squat. Someone’s getting a big pay day and someone else will probably get a promotion.

    YOU WONDER WHY NOBODY TALKS TO COPS?

    I don’t.

  119. #119 |  cheryl | 

    This incident helps change my mind about not ever owning a gun. I am a parent. It is my job to protect my child’s life. If three adults in plain clothes tried to attack and kidnap my child, I would consider it justified to shot them.

  120. #120 |  OneByTheCee | 

    #109
    “why did Officer Roark attempt to cover the girl’s mouth when she screamed for her dad?”

    To my thinking, that lends more credibility to this young girl truly believing these cops weren’t real (regardless if they revealed they were the police) and were trying to kidnap her – coupled with the brutal beating heaped upon her.

    This is so effed up. It brought tears to my eyes when I first read it. Now I’m just mad and disgusted.

  121. #121 |  Marty | 

    for the flakes worried about the age discrepancy on her web sites- most sites have minimum age limits to sign up and girls will lie to post on myspace and other sites. I never put credibility on online girls’ stated ages.

    I feel like Forest Gump. ‘The cops were wrong. AGAIN.’

  122. #122 |  P3T3RK3Y5 | 

    this is one place on the internets where the comments seem to be right on.

    we need to raise the salary of police officers if we want to get people that are not dumber than this protecting us.

    additionally the culture of police “looking out for our own” and giving a free pass needs to be abolished – it’s the very definition of corruption.

  123. #123 |  Trousle | 

    Natassja (#117): Just as Dymond couldn’t have known they were cops, the cops couldn’t have known that this was her house. They saw a girl (who they thought was dressed like a prostitute) and decided to grab her (for whatever reason.) The fact that she was on her own property wouldn’t really play in much at that point since they neither knew nor, probably, cared.

    This is just disgusting. I hope the cops have their badges revoked and they get a nice long jailtime. Attempted kidnapping. :: Shakes his head :: Also, whatever happened to “Innocent until proven guilty”? I hate to say it but those Law and Order shows act this way too. They jump to conclusions and arrest people and when they aren’t the perp, they get released (or re-arrested for resisting arrest.) I’m guessing the cop shows like Law and Order are aired to desensitise us to this type of behavior. :(

  124. #124 |  rsm | 

    Sick.

    If someone had a gun at that time there would have been dead officers all over the place.

    3 men try to grab my daughter they’d be dead… or wishing they were.

    Absolutely sick.

  125. #125 |  Ben | 

    They probably did not read her her rights before “arresting” her (according to the complaint they did not even identify themselves as police). I would fight back if I was snatched and beaten.

    And I bet she would be able to fight the charges more effectively if it weren’t so expensive to have a lawyer. If they are living in a neighborhood like that, do you think they can easily afford a lawyer?

    And in order to get away with assaulting the girl, the cops can just conveniently accuse her of attacking them. And they don’t care that it could ruin her life.

    Additionally, they probably did not have a warrant mentioning either her or her address.

    If these things are true is the case, the police officers should be in jail for assault and perjury. And I hope they end up paying the lawyer fees.

    I would not be surprised if it was racially motivated. This is pure BS.

  126. #126 |  Marty | 

    normally, the reader comments in the newspapers that report this nonsense are very pro-cop. This time, they’re raking them over the coals.

    I guess one reader was sick of all the bad stories coming out of florida, because their quote was ‘This makes me sick, honestly I was a little relieved that it didn’t happen in Florida’ This is all over- not just TX, FL, or Prince Dumbass County. People are scrutinizing much more… There will be a backlash.

  127. #127 |  Boo! | 

    Fuk this! If my daughter got wrongfully assaulted like this, I’ll straight fukk over each one of those cops and their families involved. Eye for a wrong eye, b’otch.

    And the reason it’s gone this far is because these law enforcers are fukin’ racists, who needs to be booted off their overpaid jobs, man. It don’t take no three overgrown guys to arrest prostitutes; even worse, kidnapping a lil girl and then pursue to indict the father and his thirteen year old girl? Fukk dat! These law enforcement fukks are just a bunch of dirty undercover pedophiles with too much authority given to their bitch-azzes. WTF! Fukk these fag-azz cops and racist judges of Galveston!

    Come to Cali and we’ll blow yah dome off, corrupted shitz! I’m Out!

  128. #128 |  BS | 

    Nova said, “Who protects us from our ‘protectors?”

    To that I say, the 2nd amendment. Had the dad, any parent for that matter, seen 3 thugs trying to pull their 12 year old into an unmarked van you’d be crazy NOT to blow their heads off if you had the chance. This is why no-knock warrants and unidentified police are ILLEGAL in this country. They protect the police as much as private citizens.

  129. #129 |  ktc2 | 

    #109

    Well, just parts of them . . .

  130. #130 |  Salvo | 

    Wow. -343 and still going. Nice going John H. I believe we may have a record.

  131. #131 |  Hao | 

    This case sounds disturbingly like no-knock raids where mistakes occur, innocent people are hurt, and the police refuse to apologize. The justification for no-knock raids where police don’t identify themselves before entering is that the normal procedure would give criminals enough time to destroy evidence. It seems to me that the only reason cops would not identify themselves before trying to arrest a suspected prostitute is if they thought they wouldn’t be able to chase down a 12-year old girl… Either way it’s quite pathetic, and internal affairs screwed up by letting them off the hook or by accepting the cops’ made-up story at face value.

    In any situation where the police are not clearly identifiable, they need to have ONLY the same rights as normal citizens: I think they should all be tried for assault on a minor, sexual harassment, and trespassing.

  132. #132 |  jedus | 

    Why were they in plain clothes? Why were they at the wrong place? Why did they try to cover a 12 year old girls mouth as they pulled her into an unmarked van? Why did they point out how provocatively she was dressed? Were these police on the job, or was this a case of officers fishing for child rape? Why does the City of Galveston allow their officers to act in a manner that is consistent with child molesters? Why is this not on CNN? Is it because the girl wasn’t a Rich White Girl? Are Poor Minoritys targeted a lot by Child Rapists? They’re definitely over targeted by Corrupt Police. Our American Justice system is No Such Thing.

  133. #133 |  GreginOz | 

    Dear God! I am SO glad I live in Australia!!! What I don’t understand is how…supine Americans are. I mean y’all blow the fuck outta Iraq (9/11: 3,000 dead Yanks Vs 1.2 MILLION dead Iraqis, quite a ratio), Afghanistan, sell arms to both sides in the Congo etc etc etc and then, in your own country, you routinely undo you belts and ‘ASSume the position’, because some fat fuck with a badge is more important than a Taxpayer???? Wake up and smell the chordite, “better to die on your feet than to live on your knees” (Midnight Oil, Aussie band). I think it was Ben Franklin that was quoted as saying “…a Republic, if you can keep it…”. Woops! Where did that dang pesky Republic go?

  134. #134 |  John Eldorado | 

    Citizens need to be united and stand up against this, and I don’t just mean in the courtroom.

    If a bunch of guys pulled up in a van and tried to kidnap my daughter, they’d be shot dead, plain and simple.

    If we started defending ourselves with lethal force, this shit would stop real quick. Cops wouldn’t pull this crap if they though their head could get blown off.

    Citizens should arm and defend themselves. That’s why the Founding Father’s wrote the 2nd amendment in our Constitution, so we’d be able to stand up to this kind of tyranny.

  135. #135 |  MacK | 

    John H. has hit an incredible -360 as of this writing!!!!!!!

    Now by subtracting his IQ, dividing that by the branches in his family tree, adding the amount of grey matter between his ears, and multiplying that by the weight of his brain, you get this answer.

    -360 – Q / B + E * W = -360

  136. #136 |  OneByTheCee | 

    #124 | GreginOz

    “… in your own country, you routinely undo you belts and ‘ASSume the position’…”

    I have come across many articles regarding the police state in your homeland that suggests Australian civilians are in no better position then the American civilians.

    So I would like to take this opportunity and invite you to “lube up”

  137. #137 |  Marta Rose | 

    I sometimes worry that I’m too lax about teaching my kids about “stranger danger” and all that, and I give them way more latitude than most parents do in my urban neighborhood. Even so, with minimal training (see above: lax, delinquent parenting), my 11 year old daughter knows full well to scream, kick, shout and do whatever she needs to get away if someone grabs her. She also knows that folks might tell her all sorts of things, but she’s never to go with them unless she knows them personally. She would most certainly “resist” three men grabbing her off the street, and she would be doing exactly as she has been taught.

  138. #138 |  Rick H | 

    How on earth were this girl and her father to have known that the men were officers? They were in plain clothes! Were it my child, I would have fought them, too.

    I’m sorry, but if you have no other approach than to violently grab a young girl off her own lawn then you are in the wrong. There are ways that arrest warrants can be served short of going paramilitary on the citizenry (and in this case an honor student).

  139. #139 |  chance | 

    ‘Well, Radley, seems the anarchist sentiment on this blog of yours is growing. Maybe you’d like to have a go at some of those logical arguments you claim to have refuted. I’m curious where the holes in anarchist logic lie. Please enlighten. ‘

    Have you ever actually convinced anyone to be an anarchist?

  140. #140 |  Paul | 

    I am going to start wearing baggy shorts from now on so no one will mistake me for a prostitute.

    Paul – age 60

  141. #141 |  BamBam | 

    When it comes to self-defense, you either fight back with overwhelming might, regardless of “the odds”, because your LIFE may be at stake, or you lie there like a bitch and take whatever may happen to you. Some will argue the latter because you may be able to talk a person out of doing harm to you. I say the former choice is the only choice — if your life isn’t worth fighting for, then what is?

    We all know that criminals say they are cops to gain access (and this is just what is reported, meaning it happens far more). So given the circumstances, I don’t care if someone says they are cops, are in uniform, are in marked cars, etc. you FIGHT when they try to kidnap you. Can you possibly imagine minding your own business, and next thing you know your life is at stake and you have no idea why the situation is happening? “Innocent people, mistakes, etc.” are not valid excuses, nor is “let the justice system settle it”, as we all know there is only an INjustice system.

    Like the NWA song of the 80s, “fuck the police”. Might make a come back.

  142. #142 |  fred's dead | 

    #124 | GreginOz
    “better to die on your feet than to live on your knees” (Midnight Oil, Aussie band).

    uh, that was emiliano zapata. but yeah i guess midnight oil must have thought of it before 1920 or whenever.

    and about this case, if there aren’t details being omitted here (cops showed their badges, for example) all the officers involved should be suspended at least, and there should be a lawsuit over this.

  143. #143 |  fred's dead | 

    #133 | GreginOz
    “better to die on your feet than to live on your knees” (Midnight Oil, Aussie band).

    uh, that was emiliano zapata. but i guess midnight oil must have come up with it first…

  144. #144 |  The Agitator » Blog Archive » More on Dymond Milburn | 

    [...] « Another Isolated Incident [...]

  145. #145 |  paul grenier | 

    In Reply to John H.

    Having read his comment, one need wonder not a second longer at the depravity and stupidity that apparently hold sway in this land.

    His is the same logic that praises the government for torturing ‘terror suspects.’ It doesn’t apparently enter into the thought processes of such microscopic minds that we are all terrorists–if admitting to such will get the torturing to stop.

    God help us.

  146. #146 |  Cappy | 

    Fortunately for the police in this incident, it didn’t happen with my 12 year old daughter. Yes, I have a 12 year old daughter.

    Tell ya sumpin, if I heard my daughter screaming outside, looked out the window, saw a blue van with three men attempting to drag her inside…well, lettuce just say that daddy goes about armed pretty much all the time. Daddy is also a crack shot.

    The police woulda been minus three members.

  147. #147 |  GreginOz | 

    Onebythecee; yeah my country is going crazy as well BUT not to the same degree! EG: I went to the Newtown Festival a few weeks ago. Newtown is a kinda bohemian inner Sydney suburb & the cops hit it with a bunch of drug dogs and busted a few HUNDRED punters. Very uncool, yes, and yep I got done with a bud. “Would you please step over here” said the nice Policelady. I turned around to 7 cops and just shrugged & handed over the bud. I was then handed a ‘Cannabis Caution’, you get two of these B4 you have to go to court, no fine, nada. What would have happened in Amerika, mate? Taser anyone? Gaol anyone? (Jail to you blokes) And Fred, I’m sorry, I didn’t know Zapata was in a band! Was it mariachi?

  148. #148 |  Mossgard | 

    Even if the 12 year old WAS a prostitute AND a crack head to boot, 3 guys pounding her stupid while she screamed for her father was STILL out of line. Innocent until proven guilty, all the time, every time.

  149. #149 |  thomas jefferson | 

    There is a time to work and acheive your goals, and there is a time soon approaching to become greece. The revolutionaries of established america were not thinking about the economy. Neither are the ones in greece today. We in America are being indoctrinated to think the ‘its the economy stupid’ mindset never ends. It has ended in greece because they are fighting for more than the economy. The economy needs to take a backseat to other things as some point. I’m talking about PRINCIPLES.

    Think about it.

  150. #150 |  billy-jay | 

    chance,

    Why on earth aren’t you an anarchist?

  151. #151 |  OneByTheCee | 

    #147 | GreginOz | December 18th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
    “Onebythecee; yeah my country is going crazy as well BUT not to the same degree!”

    Well I hope for citizens of Australia, it doesn’t.

    “I went to the Newtown Festival a few weeks ago. Newtown is a kinda bohemian inner Sydney suburb & the cops hit it with a bunch of drug dogs and busted a few HUNDRED punters. Very uncool, yes, and yep I got done with a bud. “Would you please step over here” said the nice Policelady. I turned around to 7 cops and just shrugged & handed over the bud.”

    Lucky you. But now the police know how ripe this festival is with drugs (not that they didn’t before) they’ll be back.

    There was a free music festival somewhere in Midwest America (don’t know name or location) and the cops decided to set up roadblocks on the highways that led to the festival. Drug searches galore. Lots of arrests. Confiscations. Asset Forfeitures.

    “I was then handed a ‘Cannabis Caution’, you get two of these B4 you have to go to court, no fine, nada. What would have happened in Amerika, mate? Taser anyone? Gaol anyone? (Jail to you blokes)”

    In California we have an under an ounce law – just a ticket/misdemeanor.
    Arizona does not – felony.
    Don’t know about the other 48 states – Anybody care to educate??

  152. #152 |  Hangur Hedinshame | 

    And Texas wonders why the rest of the country thinks they are idiots…

  153. #153 |  vic | 

    I’m a police officer in NY. I almost couldn’t believe this story. Sounded to absurd to be true. If I were the father, I would have also shot at the 3 men, without warning, all aimed at the head with my ar-15. This is absolutely ridiculous if this is true. Where I work, near the NYC area, as far as I know, none of the major police departments have plain clothes officers that do this. It is common procedure for plain clothes officers, to call in for uniformed backup, to perform any police officer duties.

    I have done plain clothes a couple of times, and all I have on me is a small radio and maybe a tiny handgun. I’d be stupid to try to get involved in anything without my uniform.

  154. #154 |  Matt | 

    These arrests are unbelievable. Instead of having arrested anyone, the police, hell the Governor, should be giving the family public awards for bravery and heroism, and thanks for not pumping those POS cops (who were ‘plain clothes cops’ and obviously looked like kidnappers with their crappy van) full of 45.cal hollow points. Any ignorant, power abusing cop that will do this once will do it again and is nowhere near deserving of such an authoritative position. The cops should be imprisoned for assault and battery. A twelve year old black girl looking like three white prostitutes because she was wearing tight shorts? Seriously? Did she happen to be wearing three pair of clear platform stilettos too? Stupid cops. And people wonder why cops get so little respect. Apparently standing in your yard is a crime now.

    As for Mr. John H., do the world a favor and never have an opinion about anything ever again. Please, for the love of God, don’t vote. Go to this link and give the information a good read through: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide You must choose, but choose wisely. I really hope you choose either option one or option six, but any of them will do. You obviously don’t have the cojones to do either. Fred, fell free to tag along.

  155. #155 |  Killswitch | 

    Fuck the police!

    Especially these pig fucks. Cowardly little girly men hiding behind their badge and gun. Hopefully these walking bacon strips get their fair share of a beating.

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  157. #157 |  Jane H | 

    John H, YOU are a COMPLETE idiot. I Hope ALL your children are mistakenly arrested at home (and at school) and badly beaten up by police.

    I have no words to describe what a dufus you are.

  158. #158 |  George Meng | 

    #141 | BamBam “Like the NWA song of the 80s, “fuck the police”. Might make a come back.”

    I always preferred Ice T’s later solo work more. Perhaps something with a guitar…

  159. #159 |  Tesla | 

    Here is the problem with peoples perceptions of the events. Location, location, location. If you live in a nice neighborhood and generally safe area than you have normal police who actually fear for their jobs and occasionally respect innocent civilians.
    BUT!!
    If you live in a down turned area of town, the ghetto, the near ghetto, the city, etc. Then you are forced to see the reality of the situation.

    I once thought I lived in the best country in the world, I once stood behind the men in blue and said the same stupid things I hear here like, “well what do you expect when you resist” YES you should expect a beating when you resist in any way, but it doesnt make it right.
    The police are, at times, much worse than the criminals.

    Even though I stand firmly in this horrid reality, I find it very hard to believe that a poor young 12 year old child would be assaulted by PLAIN CLOTHES police and then find their illegal actions completely justified.

    Picture your 12 year old daughter standing outside doing what you asked of her only to see 3 large men jump onto her and start covering her mouth and striking her face!? I would have SHOT THEM DEAD on the damn spot, regardless they would have released my child. You can stomp on some of the people some of the time but you CANNOT stomp on everyone. There is right and wrong, the problem with LAW is that it has almost nothing to do with RIGHT AND WRONG. In a just America, those three men would get fired and brought up on charges of assault and kidnapping, then the girl would get a very sincere apology along with some sort of compensation for forcing such horror into her life. But in our pathetic reality, no matter what they do they are found “guilty of no wrongdoing,” they could have shot her and her dad and gotten paid leave.

    Cmon people are some of you seriously so bent that you cannot see the blatant wrong in this? Take away the badge (which they werent wearing) and what do you have? 3 grown Men violently assaulting and beating an innocent child and then kidnapping her.
    Then they have the balls to send cops to her SCHOOL to again insult her in a vein attempt to make her look guilty.

    At what point is “resisting arrest” actually fighting for your right to be free and innocent. The fact is if an officer decides he is going to put his hands on you, nothing short of a miracle will stop him. He will trump up charges, place something on you, say you resisted arrest or even assaulted him, hell they may even take you to some dark woods and pull a knife on you. Its his word against yours and you are the criminal, he wears the department issued suit. The sad fact is that police are people also and they not only make mistakes they also abuse their powers. Not to mention their ADDICTION to ADRENALINE from ESCALATING SITUATIONS.
    It makes me literally sick to my stomach to hear what has happened to this child. Tell me that she will EVER trust another law enforcement officer in her life? Tell me that this wasnt the most traumatic situation of her entire life. Tell me that if it was your child you wouldnt be outraged. The little girl did exactly what she should have in that situation, fought for her life. She was, as far as she knows, being assaulted and kidnapped by 3 large men. Regardless if she resisted arrest, should she have been beaten? Can 3 men trained in take down procedures not arrest a female child without assaulting her? I could take down a grown man without beating him about the face/neck, I assure you a 12 year old girl can be subdued by 3 men without much physical harm. She wasnt resisting arrest, she was truly resisting injustice and stupidity. A product of our all encompassing laws designed to control rather than protect.

    I give up. Just know that if ANY 3 men from ANY place come to my home and assault my daughter in our yard I will shoot first and ask questions later regardless of my later imprisonment. There are simply some things you do not do to people, attacking and assaulting a child in their yard on a hunch is one of them.

    Honestly what happened to innocent until tackled, beaten, arrested, hauled off, and imprisoned. Whens the last time you saw a guy being beat by cops and thought, wow look at that innocent guy being ACCUSED of a crime. Or whens the last time you saw a pitiful guy in the back of a cop car and thought, hmm I wonder what that innocent man is being accused of. Nope, now the police are the accuser, judge, jury, and executioner. Sometimes tazing innocent people to death, but dont worry, they will get paid time off to think about their murder. You cant count on the police, you cant count on the courts or law to protect you. Lets not even start in about the actual criminals looking to do people harm.

    I give up, Im glad I dont have much time left on this horrible shithole called earth. Another 20 years watching this world fall apart and I get to leave this place behind. Sorry honey you cant go out and play in the yard today, you may be assaulted and beaten by the police for wearing tight shorts and living in a bad neighborhood near where someone anonymously reported a hooker last week…?

  160. #160 |  supercat | 

    Why on earth aren’t you an anarchist?

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I believe the only proper rule is the rule of law. That being said, not enough people recognize rogue government agents for the totalitarian anarchists they are. Those who would eliminate all the police that don’t serve a Constitutional function are not anarchists. The “see/hear/speak no evil” police forces, however, are.

  161. #161 |  TOM | 

    There are too many cops. This city should begin hanging crooked, violent pigs. Start with these assholes.

  162. #162 |  Jack | 

    Mental note. Shoot more pigs.

  163. #163 |  Dymond Milburn - A Victim of Police Brutality « SHADMIA’S WORLD | 

    [...] It all began around 8pm when the breaker went out at the Milburn home. Dymond’s mother, Emily, asked her daughter to go outside and turn the switch back on. Emily was busy preparing her kids for school the next day. So Dymond went outside to find the breaker. As she was heading towards the switch, a blue van pulled up to her and 4 undercover police officers jumped out. [...]

  164. #164 |  David | 

    The police may of made a mistake but you still don’t resist. Hopefully this family will realize the police where trying to keep them safe and made a simple mistake.

    They were plainclothes officers. Exactly how are you supposed to know that what they are doing is *maybe* legal?

    Similar thing happened to a friend of mine when he was tackled to the ground essentially for being a bit drunk and walking home alone (no, he didn’t “fall” like the police report said). He thought he was being mugged so he bit the first arm he saw. Hello ‘assaulting an officer’ charges!

  165. #165 |  Pamela Gertua | 

    The USA is a fascist state. Anyone wanting to leave? You will be robbed by the IRS: they take all your money as you go.

    What a shameful state.

  166. #166 |  Antagonist Prime | 

    You reap what you sow, decades of “tough” policing has left you with a nation of thugs.

    It’s all above board and lovely when the beatings are only happening to scary brown people isn’t it?

  167. #167 |  Frank N | 

    This story reminds me, I need to stock up on ammo.

  168. #168 |  Craig Ryff | 

    Same old story with these cops. After screwing up as bad as they did, they go to the SCHOOL to arrest her. Why? To make their case look better AND they didn’t want to run into the old man again at the house because he would of went off on them more than the first time. The girl was black and they were looking for a white girl, and it takes 3 of these sorry bastards to subdue her? It’s the same old story. When will it end?
    Plainclothes cops are the worst. I hope they get what they get coming eventually. Maybe they’ll wind up getting shot one day.
    What goes around…

  169. #169 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Just saying…it’s been my experience that “anarchism” is one of the most misunderstood words in the political/eco arena. Most people I’ve encountered have NEVER actually educated themselves on it. Instead, they assume they now the theory, ask “Why do they spray paint that “A” in a circle everywhere?”, and equate anarchism to lawlessness/chaos.

    I am not an anarchist and I have about a dozen former-libertarian friends who are now anarchists (none of whom spray paint “A” as that is something entirely different). However; I do believe that the closer humankind gets to enlightenment, the closer we will move toward anarchism.

  170. #170 |  Cynical in CA | 

    Cynical wrote:

    ‘Well, Radley, seems the anarchist sentiment on this blog of yours is growing. Maybe you’d like to have a go at some of those logical arguments you claim to have refuted. I’m curious where the holes in anarchist logic lie. Please enlighten. ‘

    To which Chance replied:

    “Have you ever actually convinced anyone to be an anarchist?”

    I’ll take your question at face value, Chance. The answer is “I don’t know.” What I do know is that I have started some very thought-provoking conversations and opened some individuals’ eyes to the only true altenative to statism.

    I believe that one is not persuaded to anarchism, one thinks deeply on the subject and arrives at it independently.

    In any case, I am certainly not the only anarchist here. And I must submit that us anarchists beat statists every day of the week and Sunday when it comes to logic.

    All of this serves to reveal some interesting facts about human beings. Most individuals are unable or unwilling to use reason over emotion. Every human being is corrupt. Creating a super-agency that has power of life and death over every individual while drawing its membership from that same corrupt pool of human beings is insanity.

    Statists of all stripes can split hairs and make distinctions without differences all day long over who should be their slavemaster and how long their leash should be — I prefer to get to the root of the problem. The solution is political equality — radical individualism, or anarchy.

    I’m guessing I didn’t persuade you, Chance. But give it some time and some thought. Just by asking, you are ahead of the curve.

  171. #171 |  Ryan | 

    I hope these racist MotherF#@kers burn in hell.

  172. #172 |  none | 

    I don’t believe it. Like always, there is more to what is being told to us. It’s just like playing telephone in school. It’s never right after the 5th person and it just gets more distorted as it goes on.

  173. #173 |  alek | 

    Thanks to all those that did some deeper digging and found more tangible information. The PDF at courthousenews looks to be the best of the bunch.

    I am still confused as to the timing.
    *The incident happened August 22, 2006 with a follow up arrest September 15, 2006, that second arrest confirms something did indeed happen, there ‘should’ be police reports for both
    *But it is not until October 3, 2007 that it goes to court the first time, with mistrial declared for an -unspecified- reason (would be interesting to know what happened there)
    *And here is the new filing, dated August 22, 2008, exactly two years later.

    Maybe the courts down there are overloaded, but if this was my 12 year old daughter there is no way I would be enduring two years without even a trial.

    Furthermore, I am also a bit curious about how this has become a hot “kill the pigs” topic now… December 18, 2008 None of these blogs cared about this girl in 2006, why start now?

    I am all for don’t trust the cops, don’t trust the system… I am also very much in favor of don’t trust the media, or anyone who is telling me what I should think. I would like to see these cops held accountable for what they did do, not hype.

    @PersonFromPorlock – I know they may do things a bit differently down in Texas, but the Michael Mineo case (the guy that was sodomized by cops but also likes to hit teenagers with bars stools when Sharpton is not around) makes the time frame in this one just look silly.

  174. #174 |  Stephen | 

    Wow, -555. Surely that is some sort of record. I contributed. :)

  175. #175 |  Charlyssa | 

    Here is a letter i just e-mailed to the major:

    Ms. Major-

    I read an article today about a 12 year old girl being arrested back in 2006 by plain clothed police officers, who jumped out of a van and attacked her.

    I am writing to you not as a concerned citizen of Galveston, but as a concerned human being of the world. I have included the link to the story I read: http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/18/another-isolated-incident-26/. I need to know that something was done about the police action taken on this young girl.

    How can we teach our children to trust police, when things like this happen?

    Thank you,
    Charlyssa
    St. Petersburg, FL

  176. #176 |  Eddie Van Helsing | 

    What a bunch of fucking pigs!

  177. #177 |  John | 

    This is messed up! I would like to see all of the officers involved serve time and that some compensation be awarded to that little girl. This is absolutely aweful!

  178. #178 |  Leo Charre | 

    This is why I give money to the ACLU.

  179. #179 |  Texas cops grab 12yr old girl, throw her in a van & beat her, then it gets wierd - Dallas Dance Music - Dallas nightlife, music, tickets, and more | 

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  180. #180 |  stater75 | 

    Umm – I have a 13 year old and I have taught her to fight like heck if a stranger ever grabs her. Self defense and child safety programs say, kick, bite, claw out eyes if you have to, but the first resistance may be your only chance. And you better believe my husband would die before he’d let my daughter get drug into a van. Even if each one flashed badges, I wouldn’t take that chance. We live just a few miles where a young lady was pulled over by a “policeman” and raped and murdered. I respect the police completely, but I also respect the fact that confirming your child’s safety comes first.
    Ear drum injuries?? This poor child.

  181. #181 |  wtf is wrong here | 

    personally, if you dont see anything wrong with 3 plain clothed officers beating a 12 year old senseless and arresting her for resisting, then you are so fucked up i would be amazed if you can find the tv remote.

    3 plain clothed officers in an unmarked van grab a 12 year old black girl and beat her senseless when she tries to get help. not only were the officers 2 block away from the right house, but the prostitutes were older WHITE WOMEN. then they have the balls to arrest her, after being put in the hospital at the hands of these pigs, in school for resisting and assaulting a “peace officer”? if these guys are found innocent and their actions justifiable, then i will seriously go apeshit

  182. #182 |  Robert | 

    John H. please read the US Constitution: http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

    Unlawful arrest should be resisted.

  183. #183 |  P.O.S. | 

    Unbelievable. There should be a website devoted to exposing government officials & civil servants who abuse their powers.

  184. #184 |  caine | 

    Why aren’t the major televised networks involved in this?

  185. #185 |  Kristopher | 

    Sound to me like the cops were trying to kidnap and sell the girl.

    There was no procedural reason to prevent the girl from merely yelling, unless they were worried about their crime being witnessed.

  186. #186 |  Cynical In CA | 

    “Please, for the love of God, don’t vote.”

    Excellent advice, Matt — for everyone.

    Voting is violence.

    Just a refresher course, now back to our regularly scheduled program.

  187. #187 |  Ron | 

    Had I come out of my home to see three non-uniformed men assaulting my 12 year old daughter, there would be no arguments… simply spent .45 cal brass and three deceased men… plain and simple. Harsh? you’re damn right.

  188. #188 |  Cynical In CA | 

    “There should be a website devoted to exposing government officials & civil servants who abuse their powers.”

    Not sure about that particular idea, but there is one fellow who thought deeply about creating a lever against State power. Look up the Wikipedia entry for Jim Bell.

  189. #189 |  Frank | 

    #167 Don’t forget the rope.

  190. #190 |  lynnie | 

    If three men jumped out of a van and started beating my daughter and trying to take her away, my husband, teen-aged son and myself would all be out there trying to save her. My guess is, if any of my neighbors saw us, they’d come out to help too. How the hell would we know men in plain clothes were cops? And how can you be resisting arrest when you don’t know that the men attacking you are cops trying to arrest you? And even if you knew it was policemen, if you see them beating a your minor child you’re just supposed to stand there?! I don’t know a single parent who would do that.

    I hope that girl and her family sues the city. This is disgusting.

  191. #191 |  12 year-old Dymond Milburn beaten by plainclothes police officers in front of her house | Talking in Circles | 

    [...] Balko of The Agitator wrote about it, then posted again with more details. While we may be getting a one-sided story, the authorities [...]

  192. #192 |  So what happened to Dymond Milburn? - SLUniverse Forums | 

    [...] Milburn v. Gomez et al – 3:2008cv00193 – Justia Federal District Court Filings and Dockets found in the comments at: The Agitator

  193. #193 |  Billy Beck | 

    “…the police’s behavior shows a profound lack of moral consciousness at every level,…”

    “As things stand right now, we are at least a generation into training the sort of people who stood around with rifles and herded others into cattle cars without hearing the sounds of their own consciences. And if you think I’m being too dramatic about this, stop to consider these two cases as elements of a context including their epistemic and ethical implications: we’re talking about people who’ve been trained to not reason to a moral conclusion on their own powers with simple facts right in front of them.”

    Me, four years ago. It’s a different context, but the principles are the same.

    The problem manifest in this case is bigger than anyone here thinks about.

  194. #194 |  Two--Four | 

    [...] now to the point that I absolutely despise ALL cops.”(commentor at Radley’s place) No matter how good any single man might be, he is a moral crumb if he keeps a job with a [...]

  195. #195 |  Billy Beck | 

    Hey, Fred: my down vote isn’t enough. You should eat shit and die puking, you worthless jelly-boned dog. Fuck you.

  196. #196 |  Viergacht | 

    There have been MANY incidents where women have been harmed by attackers who claimed to be plainclothes policemen. If I were that little girl, I would have fought tooth and nail, too.

  197. #197 |  me | 

    Jeez, if the dad had come out with a shotgun and blown the three plainclothesmen away assuming they were criminals, because they were assaulting his 12-year-old, he’d probably have gotten a medal for mistaken but perfectly understandable and proper behavior.

  198. #198 |  Jinky Williams | 

    Man alive.

    I don’t want to believe what I read here, but after doing some searching around the interwebs, I presently conclude that this is not a fictitious account.

    I strongly agree with Billy Beck’s sentiment that there’s a growing problem here bigger than enough people are know about, or are willing to confront.

    This particular incident is the closest that I’ve ever been to right out calling for someone’s head be displayed publically on a pike. It’s not the correct way to go about things, and it’s truly not what I’d do. But the depth of anger and frustration and disbelief that I feel in reading this account brings to the forefront emotion that leads to a temporary desire for this action to take place.

    I try to be a careful man who attempts to objectively consider how things come into being, and have never wanted to be considered a conspiracy nut. But after reading this account and countless others, reading the well-written observations of others (http://www.billstclair.com/DoingFreedom/000623/df.0600.nca.gunstore.html) and generally trying to have an ear to the ground, I have strong convictions that we as a country and a global community are but a few generations away from a society incredibly similar to the one set forth in the movie Brazil. I don’t mean this as hyperbole in any sense of the word. I truly believe that we’re quickly and unchangeably heading in the direction where posters like “Suspicion Breeds Confidence”, “Trust in Haste, Regret at Leisure”, and “Don’t Suspect a Friend, Report Him” will be commonly seen. Heck, posters like this are already appearing (http://thomashawk.com/2008/03/londons-metropolitan-police-launches.html).

    We’re heading toward another age of book-burnings, ladies and gentlemen. But it’s going to be on a global scale. Because, as V said, “truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look in a mirror.” (for the full quote, go here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/quotes). We all, including myself, have been letting, and will continue to let, things like this go on without making waves. It’s incredibly difficult to choose to make waves, because the one or ones making the waves are the ones taking the hits, being publically-humuliated, being beaten, arrested and put in jail. And even if we feel that we’re standing up for what is right, who’s to say if the person on our left or on our right is going to come to our aid, even if they believe as we do? So what is it going to cost us but a little part of us being killed by ourselves? In the scheme of things, it’s going to not count at all; and besides, there will be people who are more active and more powerful who will spearhead efforts to stop X or Y. They will do it; others will do it. I am just going to sit and “eat microwave dinners and watch cable TV.” (Morgan Freeman, “Chain Reaction”)

    So we will continue to allow things–things that should be stopped dead in their tracks–to not only continue to exist, but to flourish and propagate.

    It’s a hard thing to take and accept, that no matter what we as individuals do, we may not affect much, if any, visible change upon the world. And it is precisely why the motive behind our words and actions *must not be* because we think we are going to change the world; rather, they should be because we believe them to be right and correct. Our conviction in the unchanging truth of the ideals we choose fight for is going to be the only thing allowing us to adhere to them as the rest of our world falls around us.

    I am sad. But I choose to fight for a better tomorrow; not because I believe that a better world will necessarily come about, but because I think a better tomorrow is worth fighting for.

  199. #199 |  crazyone | 

    those stupid cops should all get the crap beat out of them in return for being so F***ing stupid. 12 years old and three dudes beat the crap outta her cuz they “thought” it was someone they were lookin for that didnt even fit the description. and the dad had every right to protect his daughter. How would he even have the slightest clue that they were officers when they were in civilian clothes. all those cops should be disciplined well.

  200. #200 |  Cauliflower Jones | 

    It’s a terrible day when people think that cops like this are “just doing their jobs.” Obviously, the investigation needs to be made by an outside department. It seems to me as though the cops involved just thought they’d go “The Shield” on this prostitution-ring’s ass.

    Good job, guys.

  201. #201 |  outof controlcops | 

    This is sickening. Plainclothes police jump from a van which would appear to be an abduction of a 12yr old (after all, the 12yr. old had no way of knowing these were cops)–she defends herself her father tries to save his daughter from a possible abduction and you sick, twisted people are sayin an internal affairs investigation concluded the cops did no wrong. You’re all about as sick and twisted as these sick and twisted cops!

    So when these same cops brutally rapes your wife or daughter as the cop turned serial rapist was recently caught doing, I hope the internal affairs investigation will conclude that your wife or daughter deserved to be raped!

    These internal affairs investigation are akin allowing the fox investigate the fox that ate all the chickens. Of course they’re going to side with the fox that committed the criminal act.

    But you all keep on keeping on supporting these out of control cops until they pay a visit to your own doorsteps!

  202. #202 |  outof controlcops | 

    I just read about this on another site and I am sickent by it. Bad, incompetent cops place everyone in danger, even fellow cops. The moment this young girl started to call for her father, the cops should have known they’d made a mistake.

    Now the town of Galveston is persecurting the victim? The only reason they went after this child weeks later is they wanted to scare them away from filing the lawsuit. I also read they placed the child in juvenile because she refused to plead guilty to a lesser charge of assaulting a public servant. WTF?! She was trying to defend herself against a possible kidnapping!!

    And people who continue to defend these rotten apple cops that endangers everyone, the people they are sworn to protect and even fellow officers? Well, just wait til this comes to white suburbia America. OH! It already has, there was a segment on 20/20 Friday about a cop turned serial rapist. Raping middle-callsed white women. Just wait til it’s your mother, sister or daughter trying to fight off a bad cop.

  203. #203 |  outof controlcops | 

    crazyone, these days we’re all luck if the cop has a GED and isn’t addicted to steroids. Some can’t even correctly write a police report. The types seemingly to be attracted to and allowed to become police officers are coming from the bottom of the barrel. Most, if they weren’t cops, would be sitting inside some prison or jail charged with some of the worst crime their fellow crooks are thrown in for life for committing or even given the death penalty for committing.

  204. #204 |  Chris | 

    I KNOW the shitty as island cops were out of order and I hope their police dept burns in hell!!!! The dad was arrested also because he (not knowin they were cops) jumped the balcony and preceeded to help his daughter get loose from the dumb ass cops!!!!! they charged him with the same crime!!!!! a bunch of charges on innocent people!!!!!

  205. #205 |  I Flew Over the Coo-coo's Nest | 

    I can’t wait until all this war stuff is over. Just think, when that happens, they’ll have Blackwater to contract these raids out to…

    Then we’ll be reading about a “Domestic Terrorist Organization” (neighborhood) that resisted and 12 people were killed as a result.

    Won’t that be grand?

  206. #206 |  GBR in Germany | 

    What a bunch of fucking retarded ass cops.

    They should be the ones in jail.

    Fucking morons.

  207. #207 |  David | 

    This is twisted.

    Call Obama!!

  208. #208 |  Wulf | 

    So it’s possible—and I would hope—that there are some important details missing.

    Here’s my guess, Radley: The only missing detail is that one of the officers filed an injury report and requested compensation or maybe time off, and was told that he couldn’t get it unless he could verify that the injury was work-related. So he said the girl injured him during the kidnapping/arrest, and charges were pressed as a matter of course.

    I suspect this girl learned a valuable lesson that most young people these days are never taught. And hopefully, all of the officers involved will choke to death on their own authoritay.

  209. #209 |  Sad Recent Victim of HPD | 

    Like Bob, I also wonder what they were really up to. My husband and I were recent victims of cops whom I suspect may have been engaged in running a fencing scheme disguised as an ordinary neighborhood garage sale. The police in nearby Houston turn a blind eye to sex slave traffickers here while persecuting ordinary night clubs under the guise of cleaning up prostitution in the City. Is it not possible that some officers are engaged in the actual supply of children for trafficking purposes? Unfortunately, as outrageous as that may sound to an outsider, it wouldn’t surprise me.

    What do you suppose those four men planned to do to the child after they had her in the van? They beat her after calling her a prostitute. What else were they planning to do? The imagination doesn’t have to go far…

  210. #210 |  JM from MD | 

    1. I’m disgusted.
    2. How can 3 trained cops not restrain a 12 year old girl?
    3. How can 3 trained cops show up 2 blocks away from the reported sighting of WHITE prostitutes and suddenly say “hey there’s a young black girl she must be a prostitute let’s go kidnap and assault her without realizing that she is just a 12 year old girl at her own house.”
    4. The police are lucky they weren’t beaten themselves or worse.
    5. If the situation was reversed and anyone of those police officers children were being kidnapped I’m sure they wouldn’t just say “ok take my 12 year old daughter away for looking like a prostitute.”
    6. This might be the right way to handle real prostitutes for resisting arrest but not for a 12 year old girl with her family.
    7. If I were a part of any of the arresting police officers families I would be ashamed of them.
    8. I will definitely never visit Galveston.
    9. I would love to know if this story was true, and there must be information that is not being reported.

  211. #211 |  Scorpie | 

    Having my families estate taken for pubic use ,without compensation(Police force) So the mayor and friends could develope . I learned we live in a socialist country.We must bow to all police and politicians. Take beatings when you disobey or for pubic humiliation.
    spit at ,shot at , swat team on you for protesting etc.I then learned..
    Duck Walk

  212. #212 |  Roy | 

    i definately agree with #187 Ron. fight fire with fire!

  213. #213 |  TOM | 

    JOHN H. YOU, SIR, ARE A DUMB FUCK. YOU NEED YOUR ASS BEAT, AND I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT. HOW COULD YOU EVEN BEGIN TO THINK OF STICKING UP FOR THOSE PIECE OF SHIT COPS. WOULD I RATHER HER GET MISTAKINGLY ROUGHED UP OR TURN INTO A PROSTITUTE? DUDE, WHAT FUCKING PLANET ARE YOU FROM? PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, AND WHEN YOU DO, I WILL BE SURE TO SHOVE IT BACK UP THERE, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

  214. #214 |  Walter | 

    So you say it ok for some guy to come in and take your 12 yr old dauther and say your dress like a hooker so your under arrest!!! What going on here… Come on it one thing to aresst people and another to beat up a little girl and say “your a hooker your coming with me”. If I heard that I would be out there and beat everyone of them men to near death. The farther didn’t know what was going on and the little girl didn’t know what was going on and 3 men coming in plain clothes cops not saying who they were just jumping out of a van. There lucky to be alive. I do respect the law and the police but come on you would think that they could at least say there sorry for hurting there girl and scarring her haft to death. I hope they men loose there jobs for this.

  215. #215 |  Walter | 

    Also this means all teenager girls dress in shorts ,or short skerts are hooker and can then be beat up by the police for no reason what so ever. I hope they don’t go near any schools or all of U.S.A. & Canada young girls will be under arest.

  216. #216 |  salemma | 

    remember up in Boston a number of years ago, police raided the wrong apartment, giving the elderly innocent owner a heart attack that killed him there.

  217. #217 |  Black Ice | 

    Another question…

    …if these guys were supposedly out to bust prostitutes in the first place, where was the female officer that they should have had along to search said prostitutes??

    The cops’ story stinks to high heaven, and the more you look at the situation, the more it appears that something quite nefarious was in play. Perhaps the young lady’s fate could have been far worse.

  218. #218 |  Sirik | 

    This was pulled off ‘donttreadonmike.wordpress.com’.

    Here are a few supreme court opinions on defending one’s self against an unlawful arrest by the police…

    “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306

    “These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

    “An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

    “One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

  219. #219 |  Sirik | 

    @alek
    #62

    If it were a hoax, wouldnt it be super easy to alter the date to make you happier?

    Dec 22nd, 2009

    Look at what I just did!
    I must have a time machine.
    A voice echoing from the future…
    (insert theremin music here)

  220. #220 |  The Agitator » Blog Archive » One of the Cops That Jumped Dymond Milburn Named 2008 Galveston “Officer of the Year” | 

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  221. #221 |  Namesforyou | 

    i am one of the first people to jump to the defense of a police officer. usually.
    not this time. i can find no justification in any part of me for any of this. i looked around on the internet and found a lot of links all saying the same thing. if its a hoax its spread far and wide.
    on one site they had a copy of the lawsuit it included the following…

    SERGEANT GILBERT GOMEZ [BADGE #987]
    OFFICERS DAVID ROARK [BADGE #332]
    JUSTIN POPOVICH [BADGE #336]
    SEAN STEWART [BADGE #392]

    everyones name should be public not just the victims

  222. #222 |  TheCabal | 

    This should be a very easy defense, and a prime opportunity to take a stab at the police. A 12 year old girl manages to fight off 3 cops? If the GPD has any pride in itself, it will settle out of court quickly and quietly before they become the laughing stock of the state.

  223. #223 |  YOUGOTIT | 

    Since this was an unlawful assaunt on a child they should be in jail for assault of a child and waiting to be put away for life. It is lawful to protect ones children from assault in any way possible.

  224. #224 |  labor drone | 

    Being as TX is a concealed carry state and there are plenty of fathers with a concealed carry licenses this could have ended way worse. The GPD only pressed charges to try and curb some of the collateral damage they are going to endure when the families justice is served and the GPD is found to be in the wrong.

  225. #225 |  D | 

    Speaking as both the son of a cop and the father of a daughter, if that were my kid, there would’ve been 3 plainclothes bodies on my lawn that day.

  226. #226 |  David | 

    If they do not rot in jail I wish, from the bottle of my heart, that rot in hell!!!

    It’s unacceptable that this kind of incident occurs, and it’s even worse read posts trying to justify.

    _____________

    The news in the local News Paper

    http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=344e970058ff3262

  227. #227 |  David | 

    just a correction:

    from the bottom of my heart

    ___

    Sorry

  228. #228 |  #226 | 

    Well, well, well…

    10,000 ways this could go bad.

    Do not talk to the cops.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865

  229. #229 |  J | 

    I love how one of the cops is given an ‘officer of the year’ award. Awesome.

    http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/22/one-of-the-cops-that-jumped-dymond-milburn-named-2008-galveston-officer-of-the-year/

  230. #230 |  Paul | 

    And they wonder why so many people mistrust and hate cops… learn to admit when you’re wrong. Everyone else has to.

  231. #231 |  Daniel | 

    I am with Freedomfan.

    I believe I would be in jail or dead right now after having pulled my concealed 45 and shooting to death the three “officers”.

    When you hear and read stories every day about abductions, kidnapping and rape of people (not just children) everywhere.

    As a father of a 10 year old girl, I would hope to never be put in any situation where I would have to decide, but if it was me and mine or them, guess what?? There is no decision to be made.

    I would be holding a smoking Smith and Wesson.

    My heart goes out to that little girl and her family.

    And shame on the police for not only their error, but for the ensuing cover up.

  232. #232 |  Mario | 

    Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or a “probable cause” to believe a crime has been committed. Some rights to privacy have been inferred from this amendment and others by the Supreme Court.

  233. #233 |  LOL | 

    USA, what a place !!

    Confuse a 12yo girl in her home door with a prostitute, beat her taken by the throat till produce black eyes while she shout “Daddy, Daddy” (the policemen thought that was calling her pimp?)… and after go to school and arrest her for assault.

    That girl is traumatized for all her life. If in 5 years this girls takes a shotgun and kills 100 persons… I hope nobody be surprised…

  234. #234 |  gobbiejosh | 

    how could anyone assume her as a prostitute.
    shes 12 years old.

    the description given to the police was “three white prostitutes soliciting a white man and a black drug dealer.”

    now unless she was mistaken for the black drug dealer…
    this is just fucked up.
    stupid redneck cops.

    which cop just runs up and grabs a suspect anyway?
    pretty sure she wasnt doing anything wrong at the time so they cudve been fucking nice about and aybe even asked some question.

    redneck fucks

  235. #235 |  Mark Burningham | 

    If three men drove up in a van and tried to take my daughter, there would be blood on the ground. It is reasonable to resist arrest when arrest is unreasonable. WTF is wrong with this world.

  236. #236 |  Catherine | 

    In this case, we might be well guided by the actions currently taking place in Athens, Greece. Even in their case the police officers were arrested, the government apologized and people were still protesting. I am not from Galveston but I would hope someone in the community would be strong enough to unite EVERYONE, all of which I am sure are outraged, to engage in a peaceful protest and to lean on their mayor and elected officials. These are incidents that make you sick to your stomach, this government that is supposedly made up of ‘We the People…” are allowing this to happen by doing nothing.

  237. #237 |  neeful.th1ngs | 

    this is total bullshit….all you morons that think this is legit you should have your nuts blown off

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  239. #239 |  Susse | 

    If some guys grabbed my daughter you can bet your balls that “right” and “wrong” would absolutely not be on my mind. There would be a pile of dead people, and we could sort it out later.

    No hesitation whatsoever.

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  241. #241 |  Pissed in Dallas | 

    but the right response is to cooperate and follow their instructions. You can always lodge a protest or hire an attorney after the incident is over.

    Tell that to the kid who got shot in the BART. He seemed to have his hands up in the air and cooperating when the cops put him to the ground, put a knee in his back and then “accidentally”shot him in the back because the cop thought he was reaching for his Taser? Quite the mistake if you ask me….

  242. #242 |  kjc | 

    Cops are the same everywhere! Town I live in here in Canada, 7 cops go to arrest a guy on a mental health warrant, (he’s suicidal), shot him twice and killed him! I quess he pulled a paring knife on them. One cop actually said, “after I tasered, twice, him he came at me with the knife, thankfully a partner was there to pull me out of the way so we could shoot him!” The Polish guy in Vancouver is another fine example of the police being here to help us!!

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