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	<title>Comments on: Monday Links</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/08/monday-links-3/comment-page-1/#comment-215794</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of &#039;Drug Czars&#039; -- 
http://gawker.com/5104734/new-drug-czar-wants-you-to-get-aids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of &#8216;Drug Czars&#8217; &#8212;<br />
<a href="http://gawker.com/5104734/new-drug-czar-wants-you-to-get-aids" rel="nofollow">http://gawker.com/5104734/new-drug-czar-wants-you-to-get-aids</a></p>
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		<title>By: My two cents</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/08/monday-links-3/comment-page-1/#comment-215608</link>
		<dc:creator>My two cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Regarding this MSP infiltration of protest groups: I can’t help wondering how much background research the police did before conducting this operation. You would think that a crime database search and maybe some judicious Googling would have given the cops a pretty good idea of which groups and individuals were likely to be violent or disruptive and which weren’t. &quot;

Police do a lot of research as part of their work of course, but most of them probably didn&#039;t join to reseach specifically, they joined to catch bad guys.  Their mindset is to find something wrong in what they&#039;re looking at.  If they can&#039;t find anything wrong, they figure they aren&#039;t looking hard enough.  To someone who actually enjoys research, finding out a group is harmless is as big a thrill as finding out one is full of &quot;bad guys&quot;.  The puzzle is what matters, not the outcome.  

So I repeat my question from an earlier thread: is there any evidence that those few departments with dedicated researcher or analyst units have fewer mistaken raids, or do such units not help at all?  I am biased to think yes, but I&#039;d love to know one way or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Regarding this MSP infiltration of protest groups: I can’t help wondering how much background research the police did before conducting this operation. You would think that a crime database search and maybe some judicious Googling would have given the cops a pretty good idea of which groups and individuals were likely to be violent or disruptive and which weren’t. &#8221;</p>
<p>Police do a lot of research as part of their work of course, but most of them probably didn&#8217;t join to reseach specifically, they joined to catch bad guys.  Their mindset is to find something wrong in what they&#8217;re looking at.  If they can&#8217;t find anything wrong, they figure they aren&#8217;t looking hard enough.  To someone who actually enjoys research, finding out a group is harmless is as big a thrill as finding out one is full of &#8220;bad guys&#8221;.  The puzzle is what matters, not the outcome.  </p>
<p>So I repeat my question from an earlier thread: is there any evidence that those few departments with dedicated researcher or analyst units have fewer mistaken raids, or do such units not help at all?  I am biased to think yes, but I&#8217;d love to know one way or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: witless chum</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/08/monday-links-3/comment-page-1/#comment-215578</link>
		<dc:creator>witless chum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andyinsdca, good call. I&#039;ve been reading that site for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andyinsdca, good call. I&#8217;ve been reading that site for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/08/monday-links-3/comment-page-1/#comment-215574</link>
		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In line with David and Eric above, regarding the girl being targeted by the RIAA...

You start to wonder if the RIAA *looks* for people who are basically broke already, because they can&#039;t really put up a defense.  The basic premise of the RIAA actions regarding infringement have typically been &quot;Find someone who we can threaten to make life hell for and get them to settle, then trumpet our &#039;success&#039; loudly and proudly.&quot;  So they don&#039;t ever go after someone who could afford to fight them.  They don&#039;t go after people with ready access to publicity.  They go after kids and moms and people with diseases, and say &#039;well they broke &lt;i&gt;the laaaaawwwwww!!!!&lt;/i&gt;&#039;.   And they never really get that they look like complete ass-clowns as they do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In line with David and Eric above, regarding the girl being targeted by the RIAA&#8230;</p>
<p>You start to wonder if the RIAA *looks* for people who are basically broke already, because they can&#8217;t really put up a defense.  The basic premise of the RIAA actions regarding infringement have typically been &#8220;Find someone who we can threaten to make life hell for and get them to settle, then trumpet our &#8217;success&#8217; loudly and proudly.&#8221;  So they don&#8217;t ever go after someone who could afford to fight them.  They don&#8217;t go after people with ready access to publicity.  They go after kids and moms and people with diseases, and say &#8216;well they broke <i>the laaaaawwwwww!!!!</i>&#8216;.   And they never really get that they look like complete ass-clowns as they do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmund Dantes</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/08/monday-links-3/comment-page-1/#comment-215572</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmund Dantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently no one pays attention to Les Miserables or any other of a hundred parables, stories, etc. that rail against this idea of a permanent mark.

Jean Valjean is one of the ultimate &quot;scarlet&quot; letters. His of course was his &quot;Yellow ticket of leave&quot; he had to show everywhere he went which branded him a convict helping to make sure he never could turn over a new leaf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently no one pays attention to Les Miserables or any other of a hundred parables, stories, etc. that rail against this idea of a permanent mark.</p>
<p>Jean Valjean is one of the ultimate &#8220;scarlet&#8221; letters. His of course was his &#8220;Yellow ticket of leave&#8221; he had to show everywhere he went which branded him a convict helping to make sure he never could turn over a new leaf.</p>
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		<title>By: MacGregory</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/08/monday-links-3/comment-page-1/#comment-215568</link>
		<dc:creator>MacGregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The father of the 10 year old said that being on the sex offender list would &quot;haunt&quot; him. A ghost would be preferable. That kid would never have a chance. The sex offender data base is the modern version of the scarlet letter. Once you&#039;re tatooed you&#039;re screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The father of the 10 year old said that being on the sex offender list would &#8220;haunt&#8221; him. A ghost would be preferable. That kid would never have a chance. The sex offender data base is the modern version of the scarlet letter. Once you&#8217;re tatooed you&#8217;re screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/08/monday-links-3/comment-page-1/#comment-215564</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Walters&#039; piece in the Journal had a great line- 

&#039;And driving down the availability of dangerous drugs requires all the skills of agencies such as the DEA and local law enforcement. None of these approaches can work if drugs are simply legal.&#039;

I&#039;ve never seen the word &#039;skills&#039; used to describe these bullshit agencies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Walters&#8217; piece in the Journal had a great line- </p>
<p>&#8216;And driving down the availability of dangerous drugs requires all the skills of agencies such as the DEA and local law enforcement. None of these approaches can work if drugs are simply legal.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen the word &#8217;skills&#8217; used to describe these bullshit agencies!</p>
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		<title>By: Spleen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/08/monday-links-3/comment-page-1/#comment-215559</link>
		<dc:creator>Spleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, regarding the RIAA, I note that they don’t say they didn’t do it. Just that it’s “not fair”, because they don’t have a lot of money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;From the article:

&lt;i&gt;“I already have severe depression,” the story has [the girl] saying. “I mean, it’s so hard to sit there and think that I have to get in trouble for &lt;b&gt;something that I didn’t do.&lt;/b&gt; It’s not fair.”&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, regarding the RIAA, I note that they don’t say they didn’t do it. Just that it’s “not fair”, because they don’t have a lot of money.</p></blockquote>
<p>From the article:</p>
<p><i>“I already have severe depression,” the story has [the girl] saying. “I mean, it’s so hard to sit there and think that I have to get in trouble for <b>something that I didn’t do.</b> It’s not fair.”</i></p>
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		<title>By: Lior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On reading his &lt;i&gt;Reason&lt;/i&gt; article, It seems to me that Mr. Sullum &lt;b&gt;disassembled&lt;/b&gt; rather than &lt;i&gt;dissembled&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On reading his <i>Reason</i> article, It seems to me that Mr. Sullum <b>disassembled</b> rather than <i>dissembled</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/08/monday-links-3/comment-page-1/#comment-215556</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, regarding the RIAA, I note that they don’t say they didn’t do it. Just that it’s “not fair”, because they don’t have a lot of money.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, the girl says, “I mean, it’s so hard to sit there and think that I have to get in trouble for something that I didn’t do. It’s not fair.”

So, yes, she says she didn&#039;t do it.  But even if she did, see David and Eric, above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, regarding the RIAA, I note that they don’t say they didn’t do it. Just that it’s “not fair”, because they don’t have a lot of money.</i></p>
<p>Actually, the girl says, “I mean, it’s so hard to sit there and think that I have to get in trouble for something that I didn’t do. It’s not fair.”</p>
<p>So, yes, she says she didn&#8217;t do it.  But even if she did, see David and Eric, above.</p>
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		<title>By: nobahdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobahdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sex offender laws are stupid.  I saw a website not too long ago that listed a bunch of ridiculous cases under the title, &quot;You might be a sex offender if...&quot;
The end result is that everyone might be a sex offender.  A lot of it was teenagers having sex, and one case of a guy looking at a kid too long.  So even if you&#039;ve never had sex you still might be a sex offender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sex offender laws are stupid.  I saw a website not too long ago that listed a bunch of ridiculous cases under the title, &#8220;You might be a sex offender if&#8230;&#8221;<br />
The end result is that everyone might be a sex offender.  A lot of it was teenagers having sex, and one case of a guy looking at a kid too long.  So even if you&#8217;ve never had sex you still might be a sex offender.</p>
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		<title>By: Bugs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding this MSP infiltration of protest groups: I can&#039;t help wondering how much background research the police did before conducting this operation. You would think that a crime database search and maybe some judicious Googling would have given the cops a pretty good idea of which groups and individuals were likely to be violent or disruptive and which weren&#039;t. If a person or organization has a proven history of violence or advocating violent protest, then by all means keep them on your radar. If they don&#039;t, then leave them the hell alone.

This kind of reminds me of the no-knock raids issue. Can&#039;t the police investigate their target ahead of a raid to find out whether that person is a violent criminal or likely to be violent - and therefore whether a SWAT-style raid is even justified? I thought that&#039;s the kind of thing police detectives got paid for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding this MSP infiltration of protest groups: I can&#8217;t help wondering how much background research the police did before conducting this operation. You would think that a crime database search and maybe some judicious Googling would have given the cops a pretty good idea of which groups and individuals were likely to be violent or disruptive and which weren&#8217;t. If a person or organization has a proven history of violence or advocating violent protest, then by all means keep them on your radar. If they don&#8217;t, then leave them the hell alone.</p>
<p>This kind of reminds me of the no-knock raids issue. Can&#8217;t the police investigate their target ahead of a raid to find out whether that person is a violent criminal or likely to be violent &#8211; and therefore whether a SWAT-style raid is even justified? I thought that&#8217;s the kind of thing police detectives got paid for.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stewart has always said the media is his main target.   Fox has just provided most of the meat for the past 8 years.  He practically took down Crossfire on CNN himself for hurting America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stewart has always said the media is his main target.   Fox has just provided most of the meat for the past 8 years.  He practically took down Crossfire on CNN himself for hurting America.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Maryland State Police are retarded.  That&#039;s the word for it.  They are a bunch of retards.</description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David&#039;s right on.  I think Radley&#039;s point is that people have such strong feelings against the RIAA because they consistently make stupid strategic decisions.  If the RIAA did their homework and went after either (1) people who they could affirmatively show were actively downloading and sharing large volumes of music, or (2) people burning and selling pirated CDs, people would probably be much less inclined to hate them.  But going after a hospitalized teenager with an $8.50-an-hour working mom for sharing 10 songs, with a likely fine at $7500 (minimum statutory damages) is pretty stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8217;s right on.  I think Radley&#8217;s point is that people have such strong feelings against the RIAA because they consistently make stupid strategic decisions.  If the RIAA did their homework and went after either (1) people who they could affirmatively show were actively downloading and sharing large volumes of music, or (2) people burning and selling pirated CDs, people would probably be much less inclined to hate them.  But going after a hospitalized teenager with an $8.50-an-hour working mom for sharing 10 songs, with a likely fine at $7500 (minimum statutory damages) is pretty stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Pack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as using drugs to boost the brain and attention,the U.S. Air Force has done this for years.The call them &#039;go&#039; pills.If it&#039;s good enough for a to fly a 2 billion dollar B-2,it&#039;s good enough for regular folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as using drugs to boost the brain and attention,the U.S. Air Force has done this for years.The call them &#8216;go&#8217; pills.If it&#8217;s good enough for a to fly a 2 billion dollar B-2,it&#8217;s good enough for regular folk.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;So, regarding the RIAA, I note that they don’t say they didn’t do it. Just that it’s “not fair”, because they don’t have a lot of money.&lt;/I&gt;

And it&#039;s not untrue. There are probably millions of people who have shared songs on the Internet, and they decide that the one who really needs suing is a broke 19-year-old transplant patient? The law&#039;s on their side, but it&#039;s still a dick move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, regarding the RIAA, I note that they don’t say they didn’t do it. Just that it’s “not fair”, because they don’t have a lot of money.</i></p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not untrue. There are probably millions of people who have shared songs on the Internet, and they decide that the one who really needs suing is a broke 19-year-old transplant patient? The law&#8217;s on their side, but it&#8217;s still a dick move.</p>
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		<title>By: ClubMedSux</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClubMedSux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought the timing of the Kilborn-Stewart transition on the Daily Show was perfect because Kilborn&#039;s smarmy egotist schtick was well-suited for the Clinton years while Stewart&#039;s more biting satire better complemented the Bush II administration.  Kinda makes me wonder if now would be a good time to bring in a third host.  Unfortunately, the most obvious choice (Colbert) probably isn&#039;t going to give up his current job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought the timing of the Kilborn-Stewart transition on the Daily Show was perfect because Kilborn&#8217;s smarmy egotist schtick was well-suited for the Clinton years while Stewart&#8217;s more biting satire better complemented the Bush II administration.  Kinda makes me wonder if now would be a good time to bring in a third host.  Unfortunately, the most obvious choice (Colbert) probably isn&#8217;t going to give up his current job.</p>
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		<title>By: andyinsdca</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyinsdca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More great Detroit pics, including lots of the urban prairie at detroitblog.org.</description>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stewart is pretty honest when he pokes fun at people.  He even took time to poke fun at Obama&#039;s cabinet.  I don&#039;t agree with his politics very much, but he never gives anyone a free pass.

The sex offender laws are out of control.  It was bad enough when the religous right called you immoral and a heathen for sexual activity, but now the liberal &amp; conservative nanny-state coalition can lock up any teenager, becuase his or her partner will more than likely be under 18.  Only a vicious sadist can rationalize treating 10 year old kids as sexual predators.  Are we going to lock up kids for fraud and make them felons if they try to doctor their report cards when they get bad grades?  These laws have created more criminals and more victims than there ever were before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stewart is pretty honest when he pokes fun at people.  He even took time to poke fun at Obama&#8217;s cabinet.  I don&#8217;t agree with his politics very much, but he never gives anyone a free pass.</p>
<p>The sex offender laws are out of control.  It was bad enough when the religous right called you immoral and a heathen for sexual activity, but now the liberal &amp; conservative nanny-state coalition can lock up any teenager, becuase his or her partner will more than likely be under 18.  Only a vicious sadist can rationalize treating 10 year old kids as sexual predators.  Are we going to lock up kids for fraud and make them felons if they try to doctor their report cards when they get bad grades?  These laws have created more criminals and more victims than there ever were before.</p>
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