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	<title>Comments on: Quadriplegic&#8217;s Family Says Her Death Caused by FBI Drug Raid</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Five Recession Proof Jobs &#124; How To Fix America!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Five Recession Proof Jobs &#124; How To Fix America!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Such services will always have clients. On the other hand there is the chance of getting arrested, shot, raped, or killed. The moral ambiguities now withstanding, such job titles don&#8217;t bandy well [...]</description>
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		<title>By: C (The Forgotten Man)</title>
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		<dc:creator>C (The Forgotten Man)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they find the Weapons of Mass Intoxication they were looking for?</description>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for all the typos and crap...tired and didn&#039;t re-read...I&#039;m really not illiterate.</description>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO #18 CEH:

I think the issue that I and most here have is that it often appears that the military, crash, shoot, and subdue is the FIRST option that you folks are using.  I understand that you are trying to provide a valuable service.  However, when the lives of innocent people are at stake, is it REALLY too much to ask that you verify the situation you are going into?  Is it really?  How hard is it to confirm if it&#039;s the freaking maypr&#039;s house?  How hard is it to say...you know...maybe we can wait and take this guy when he comes out of the door and NOT shoot his dogs, kids, wife, etc.  How much extra would it REALLY take to verify information that some other criminal has given you to save HIS own ass in order to prevent something like this?  I guess the informant has NO motivation to give up somebody...ANYONE...just to try to save his own ass.  It seems to me that instead of getting smarter, law enforcemnet has just gotten more brutal and callous with little or no regard for the people they are protecting.

The actions that constantly inspire topics such as Radley post here are not that few and far between.  It seems as if there are 3-4-5 EVERY day!  Wrong houses...shooting mothers carry children, trashing those houses, shooting pets....all avoidable with a little brain work instead of muscle.  THAT is why they get the lable &quot;over-testosteroned&quot;...because that is the behavior of someone more concerned with getting their adreniline rush and NOT of someone concerned about protecting citizens.

Until YOU change your tactics and methods, the public backlash is going to get worse and worse.  I can appreciate an officer that actually displays compassion and uses common sense.  But my own personal experience is that you are few and far between.  

Your fellow officers are creating the image, complain to them...not to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO #18 CEH:</p>
<p>I think the issue that I and most here have is that it often appears that the military, crash, shoot, and subdue is the FIRST option that you folks are using.  I understand that you are trying to provide a valuable service.  However, when the lives of innocent people are at stake, is it REALLY too much to ask that you verify the situation you are going into?  Is it really?  How hard is it to confirm if it&#8217;s the freaking maypr&#8217;s house?  How hard is it to say&#8230;you know&#8230;maybe we can wait and take this guy when he comes out of the door and NOT shoot his dogs, kids, wife, etc.  How much extra would it REALLY take to verify information that some other criminal has given you to save HIS own ass in order to prevent something like this?  I guess the informant has NO motivation to give up somebody&#8230;ANYONE&#8230;just to try to save his own ass.  It seems to me that instead of getting smarter, law enforcemnet has just gotten more brutal and callous with little or no regard for the people they are protecting.</p>
<p>The actions that constantly inspire topics such as Radley post here are not that few and far between.  It seems as if there are 3-4-5 EVERY day!  Wrong houses&#8230;shooting mothers carry children, trashing those houses, shooting pets&#8230;.all avoidable with a little brain work instead of muscle.  THAT is why they get the lable &#8220;over-testosteroned&#8221;&#8230;because that is the behavior of someone more concerned with getting their adreniline rush and NOT of someone concerned about protecting citizens.</p>
<p>Until YOU change your tactics and methods, the public backlash is going to get worse and worse.  I can appreciate an officer that actually displays compassion and uses common sense.  But my own personal experience is that you are few and far between.  </p>
<p>Your fellow officers are creating the image, complain to them&#8230;not to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt I.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“What I would like to know is this. Is anyone out there currently doing something to help correct this problem? Not just talking about it, but actually attempting to address the problem and bring about positive change?”

The problem begins with the people who provide the resources that allow police to exist and expand their business in the first place (and by police I mean FBI, state, local; they are all different sides of the same fascist toilet-token).

And that would mean everyone from the mayor who campaigns on the promise to provide more funding and the &#039;necessary tools&#039; to these state sucking leaches to &#039;do their job&#039; to the corrupt judges who are in bed with them, to the politician that thinks that &#039;hiring an extra 100,000 cops&#039; is something to be proud of.

Of course, the people most responsible in the end are the mom and pops who crave as much &#039;Security&#039; as these officials can offer them. So if you&#039;re looking for who&#039;s responsible, it&#039;s most likely your neighbors. If you want the problem to end, Police departments and agencies need to be shut down, cops need to be FIRED not hired, there must be strict limits on their scope of work and strict penalties for ANY wrongdoing. 

But good luck with that happening. What we have instead is the expansion of said facilities. As that happens, the additional policing members need to find more &#039;jobs&#039; to do to justify their existence. It&#039;s pretty much set in that direction right now. The only thing historically that has stopped the build up is when the situation becomes so unbearable that people break down and fight back. And for most people in the world, that point is non-existant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“What I would like to know is this. Is anyone out there currently doing something to help correct this problem? Not just talking about it, but actually attempting to address the problem and bring about positive change?”</p>
<p>The problem begins with the people who provide the resources that allow police to exist and expand their business in the first place (and by police I mean FBI, state, local; they are all different sides of the same fascist toilet-token).</p>
<p>And that would mean everyone from the mayor who campaigns on the promise to provide more funding and the &#8216;necessary tools&#8217; to these state sucking leaches to &#8216;do their job&#8217; to the corrupt judges who are in bed with them, to the politician that thinks that &#8216;hiring an extra 100,000 cops&#8217; is something to be proud of.</p>
<p>Of course, the people most responsible in the end are the mom and pops who crave as much &#8216;Security&#8217; as these officials can offer them. So if you&#8217;re looking for who&#8217;s responsible, it&#8217;s most likely your neighbors. If you want the problem to end, Police departments and agencies need to be shut down, cops need to be FIRED not hired, there must be strict limits on their scope of work and strict penalties for ANY wrongdoing. </p>
<p>But good luck with that happening. What we have instead is the expansion of said facilities. As that happens, the additional policing members need to find more &#8216;jobs&#8217; to do to justify their existence. It&#8217;s pretty much set in that direction right now. The only thing historically that has stopped the build up is when the situation becomes so unbearable that people break down and fight back. And for most people in the world, that point is non-existant.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #22

Here is one link.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081203/ap_on_re_us/illinois_police_corruption</description>
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<p>Here is one link.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081203/ap_on_re_us/illinois_police_corruption" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081203/ap_on_re_us/illinois_police_corruption</a></p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big FBI sting on cops, but of course no one need investigate hero SWAT raids.

&quot;CHICAGO – Duffel bags stuffed with cocaine were delivered by plane to an out-of-the-way suburban airport while two sheriff&#039;s officers provided security. A police officer stood by to guard the cash and keep out the riffraff at a poker game where $100,000 changed hands. And a drug dealer was told squad cars marked &quot;sheriff&quot; and &quot;sheriff&#039;s police&quot; might be available on a &quot;freelance&quot; basis to provide protection for his deliveries.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big FBI sting on cops, but of course no one need investigate hero SWAT raids.</p>
<p>&#8220;CHICAGO – Duffel bags stuffed with cocaine were delivered by plane to an out-of-the-way suburban airport while two sheriff&#8217;s officers provided security. A police officer stood by to guard the cash and keep out the riffraff at a poker game where $100,000 changed hands. And a drug dealer was told squad cars marked &#8220;sheriff&#8221; and &#8220;sheriff&#8217;s police&#8221; might be available on a &#8220;freelance&#8221; basis to provide protection for his deliveries.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 is a great post Helmut!</description>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$100 says most of the &quot;cops&quot; on that task force got drunk that weekend, but alcohol is a legal drug.  Judgement awaits them in the next world--and I hope it&#039;s Jah Rastafari giving it!

Scalia&#039;s New Professionalism is that police are now acting exactly like you&#039;d expect.  No impactful governance and complete immunity for ridiculously armed and hyped-up quasi-soldiers.  What other result has history taught us to expect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$100 says most of the &#8220;cops&#8221; on that task force got drunk that weekend, but alcohol is a legal drug.  Judgement awaits them in the next world&#8211;and I hope it&#8217;s Jah Rastafari giving it!</p>
<p>Scalia&#8217;s New Professionalism is that police are now acting exactly like you&#8217;d expect.  No impactful governance and complete immunity for ridiculously armed and hyped-up quasi-soldiers.  What other result has history taught us to expect?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said it many times before but it (unfortunately) bears repeating:

FUCK. THA. PO. LICE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said it many times before but it (unfortunately) bears repeating:</p>
<p>FUCK. THA. PO. LICE.</p>
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		<title>By: TBoneJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBoneJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 you&#039;re very optimistic given that the situation is getting worse and worse every day. These goon squads are well funded, armed to the teeth, enjoy their work, (most of them volunteer for task farces and swat teams)  and have complete personal immunity for anything they do during these raids. If  holding cops personally responsible/accountable for crimes they commit while on duty was legal, over time, things might change. But believe me, it&#039;s not and that&#039;s not going to happen. They can murder you and the worst things that&#039;s lkely is a note in his confidential employee record. (Or maybe promoted/reassigned like the dude who was in Charge at WACO). Every cop in the unit (good or bad) will back up whoever blew it and whatever story is created to justify their wrongdoings.  Anyone filing a claim for unjustified damages suffered at the hands of police will end up facing a herd of  taxpayer funded attorneys who will try every (slimy) trick in the book and do their best to make sure victims of police abuse/crimes are not compensated. If there&#039;s exceptions to anything I&#039;ve said I&#039;d like to hear about it. (Outside of perhaps Los Angeles where even the slimiest of government attorneys know it would be hard to select a jury of 12 people who would believe police even under oath)

About the story? of course &quot;the FBI declined to comment.&quot; They have to wait until everyone gets the story straight and they&#039;re sure they&#039;ll stick to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 you&#8217;re very optimistic given that the situation is getting worse and worse every day. These goon squads are well funded, armed to the teeth, enjoy their work, (most of them volunteer for task farces and swat teams)  and have complete personal immunity for anything they do during these raids. If  holding cops personally responsible/accountable for crimes they commit while on duty was legal, over time, things might change. But believe me, it&#8217;s not and that&#8217;s not going to happen. They can murder you and the worst things that&#8217;s lkely is a note in his confidential employee record. (Or maybe promoted/reassigned like the dude who was in Charge at WACO). Every cop in the unit (good or bad) will back up whoever blew it and whatever story is created to justify their wrongdoings.  Anyone filing a claim for unjustified damages suffered at the hands of police will end up facing a herd of  taxpayer funded attorneys who will try every (slimy) trick in the book and do their best to make sure victims of police abuse/crimes are not compensated. If there&#8217;s exceptions to anything I&#8217;ve said I&#8217;d like to hear about it. (Outside of perhaps Los Angeles where even the slimiest of government attorneys know it would be hard to select a jury of 12 people who would believe police even under oath)</p>
<p>About the story? of course &#8220;the FBI declined to comment.&#8221; They have to wait until everyone gets the story straight and they&#8217;re sure they&#8217;ll stick to it.</p>
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		<title>By: CEH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CEH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy I&#039;m going to get it for this...Radley, I agree with you quite a bit. However, the very tragic and often times unforgiveable incidents involving law enforcement that you write about seem to illicit a response from your readers that all cops are &quot;testosterone filled maniacs&quot; or whatever they&#039;ve been described as, and all are out to kick ass and take names and all just can&#039;t wait to &quot;taz me bro&quot; or shoot some kid or whatever. What a load of crap. There are many more proper and professional arrests/searches in this country than ones that go bad. Cops are fired, they are prosecuted, every day for screwing up. Our LEOs are not perfect, but most do the right thing in the right way. Ref. this article, the only way the original shooters can be charged with the girl&#039;s death is if it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it was caused by the injuries they inflicted...Would anyone disagree that that is not appropriate? Also, Radley, come on...retaliatory shootings from previous shootings...gee the drug trade had nothing to do with that, did it? I know, if it wasn&#039;t illegal, there would not be the crime associated it, I get that. But, you know what, it is illegal (only pressure by society can change that... not cops) and there is violence associated with the illicit drug trade...not just from cops trying to enforce the law. Just some thoughts. Again, I&#039;m with you most of the time and I do think there should be some other avenues to para-military tactics at times...but going after probable gang-banging drug dealers is not one of them. By the way, I am a cop (going on 14 years) and I don&#039;t ever want to be in a position (and thankfully I never have been) that I have to intentionally hurt someone else unless it is to protect myself or another person...and no I&#039;m not a narcotics officer...they have an endless, thankless job (unless you&#039;re the citizen that called about their drug dealing neighbor and you expect - no demand - the police to do something about it) with no end in site - through no fault of their own. I&#039;m rambling now...let the bashing begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy I&#8217;m going to get it for this&#8230;Radley, I agree with you quite a bit. However, the very tragic and often times unforgiveable incidents involving law enforcement that you write about seem to illicit a response from your readers that all cops are &#8220;testosterone filled maniacs&#8221; or whatever they&#8217;ve been described as, and all are out to kick ass and take names and all just can&#8217;t wait to &#8220;taz me bro&#8221; or shoot some kid or whatever. What a load of crap. There are many more proper and professional arrests/searches in this country than ones that go bad. Cops are fired, they are prosecuted, every day for screwing up. Our LEOs are not perfect, but most do the right thing in the right way. Ref. this article, the only way the original shooters can be charged with the girl&#8217;s death is if it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it was caused by the injuries they inflicted&#8230;Would anyone disagree that that is not appropriate? Also, Radley, come on&#8230;retaliatory shootings from previous shootings&#8230;gee the drug trade had nothing to do with that, did it? I know, if it wasn&#8217;t illegal, there would not be the crime associated it, I get that. But, you know what, it is illegal (only pressure by society can change that&#8230; not cops) and there is violence associated with the illicit drug trade&#8230;not just from cops trying to enforce the law. Just some thoughts. Again, I&#8217;m with you most of the time and I do think there should be some other avenues to para-military tactics at times&#8230;but going after probable gang-banging drug dealers is not one of them. By the way, I am a cop (going on 14 years) and I don&#8217;t ever want to be in a position (and thankfully I never have been) that I have to intentionally hurt someone else unless it is to protect myself or another person&#8230;and no I&#8217;m not a narcotics officer&#8230;they have an endless, thankless job (unless you&#8217;re the citizen that called about their drug dealing neighbor and you expect &#8211; no demand &#8211; the police to do something about it) with no end in site &#8211; through no fault of their own. I&#8217;m rambling now&#8230;let the bashing begin.</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 S. Buckold: &quot;What I would like to know is this. Is anyone out there currently doing something to help correct this problem? Not just talking about it, but actually attempting to address the problem and bring about positive change?&quot;

Don&#039;t despair. There are many people, insiders and activists who are trying to change things.  Radley Balko is, in my opinion, one of the shining stars of the movement.  I would also recommend that you google Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), a group of retired and current criminal justice practitioners who attempt to counter drug war propoganda with calls for a legal, regulated market for currently illicit drugs.  In addition, you may want to look at Professor Peter Moskos&#039; blog copinthehood.com and read his book &quot;Cop in the Hood,&quot; which discusses his tenure with the Baltimore City Police Department, and his suggestions for radical reform of policing.  

There are many practical ways to undermine the policy of strict drug prohibition.  Familiarize yourself with the work of the activists I&#039;ve mentioned, and be aware of your rights and responsibilities as a juror if you are ever called to serve during a drug trial (consult the Fully Informed Jury Association for more on that).  Change will be incremental, but, as Sam Cooke sang, &quot;its been a long time coming, but I know, change is gonna come.&quot;

RIP Laquisha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 S. Buckold: &#8220;What I would like to know is this. Is anyone out there currently doing something to help correct this problem? Not just talking about it, but actually attempting to address the problem and bring about positive change?&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t despair. There are many people, insiders and activists who are trying to change things.  Radley Balko is, in my opinion, one of the shining stars of the movement.  I would also recommend that you google Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), a group of retired and current criminal justice practitioners who attempt to counter drug war propoganda with calls for a legal, regulated market for currently illicit drugs.  In addition, you may want to look at Professor Peter Moskos&#8217; blog copinthehood.com and read his book &#8220;Cop in the Hood,&#8221; which discusses his tenure with the Baltimore City Police Department, and his suggestions for radical reform of policing.  </p>
<p>There are many practical ways to undermine the policy of strict drug prohibition.  Familiarize yourself with the work of the activists I&#8217;ve mentioned, and be aware of your rights and responsibilities as a juror if you are ever called to serve during a drug trial (consult the Fully Informed Jury Association for more on that).  Change will be incremental, but, as Sam Cooke sang, &#8220;its been a long time coming, but I know, change is gonna come.&#8221;</p>
<p>RIP Laquisha.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone deserves to be charged with murder it&#039;s the FBI agents.  I&#039;m surprised they didn&#039;t taser her myself -- tasering or shooting seems to be the standard cop response for failure to obey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone deserves to be charged with murder it&#8217;s the FBI agents.  I&#8217;m surprised they didn&#8217;t taser her myself &#8212; tasering or shooting seems to be the standard cop response for failure to obey.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any evidence that the target was violent??  He is wanted for felony drug charges (which, admittedly, covers a very wide range of activities), but it doesnt follow that he is violent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any evidence that the target was violent??  He is wanted for felony drug charges (which, admittedly, covers a very wide range of activities), but it doesnt follow that he is violent.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Prosecutors may now charge her assailants with murder.&lt;/i&gt;

The FBI agents?  Sounds good to me.

I see no way a jury that was accurately informed of the circumstances surrounding the woman&#039;s death would find the original assailants guilty of her murder.  A felony murder conviction requires that there be a reasonably foreseeable chain of events between the felony action and a person&#039;s death.  The fact that the circumstances causing a person&#039;s death would not have occurred but for a felony crime does not justify a felony murder conviction if the circumstances are not a reasonable and foreseeable consequence.

Otherwise, a thief who stole a person&#039;s wallet causing the person not to get a job in another city could be prosecuted for murder if the person later died (since, were it not for the crime, their life would be completely different and whatever circumstances ended up causing their death would likely not have occurred the same way).

To be sure, some prosecutors trot out felony-murder convictions in situations that defy logic, but the only way this one could logically hold would be if &lt;i&gt;a reasonable person would expect the FBI to conduct a flash-bang raid against a quadriplegic crime victim&lt;/i&gt;.  Do they really want to make that argument?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Prosecutors may now charge her assailants with murder.</i></p>
<p>The FBI agents?  Sounds good to me.</p>
<p>I see no way a jury that was accurately informed of the circumstances surrounding the woman&#8217;s death would find the original assailants guilty of her murder.  A felony murder conviction requires that there be a reasonably foreseeable chain of events between the felony action and a person&#8217;s death.  The fact that the circumstances causing a person&#8217;s death would not have occurred but for a felony crime does not justify a felony murder conviction if the circumstances are not a reasonable and foreseeable consequence.</p>
<p>Otherwise, a thief who stole a person&#8217;s wallet causing the person not to get a job in another city could be prosecuted for murder if the person later died (since, were it not for the crime, their life would be completely different and whatever circumstances ended up causing their death would likely not have occurred the same way).</p>
<p>To be sure, some prosecutors trot out felony-murder convictions in situations that defy logic, but the only way this one could logically hold would be if <i>a reasonable person would expect the FBI to conduct a flash-bang raid against a quadriplegic crime victim</i>.  Do they really want to make that argument?</p>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it make me a bad person to hope that sooner or later, one of these over-testosteroned cops is going to have a close family member wiped out while other over-testosteroned cops follow procedure on them...by mistake of course...

As a dad...I honestly think I would go to prison if some over-testeroned cop killed my daughter.  I think I would honestly wait for an opportunity and kill them...seriously.   In fact...if I could figure out a way...I would torture them first...I guess I&#039;m just a sick, vengeful asshole....but I really think I would....with no remorse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it make me a bad person to hope that sooner or later, one of these over-testosteroned cops is going to have a close family member wiped out while other over-testosteroned cops follow procedure on them&#8230;by mistake of course&#8230;</p>
<p>As a dad&#8230;I honestly think I would go to prison if some over-testeroned cop killed my daughter.  I think I would honestly wait for an opportunity and kill them&#8230;seriously.   In fact&#8230;if I could figure out a way&#8230;I would torture them first&#8230;I guess I&#8217;m just a sick, vengeful asshole&#8230;.but I really think I would&#8230;.with no remorse.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How convenient for the FBI that no one will muster outrage over the trumped up charges.&quot;

Mencken wrote: &quot;&quot;The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one&#039;s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.&quot; 

Never accuse the State of being unclever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How convenient for the FBI that no one will muster outrage over the trumped up charges.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mencken wrote: &#8220;&#8221;The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one&#8217;s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.&#8221; </p>
<p>Never accuse the State of being unclever.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a heartbreaking story. I have a 13 yo daughter- I can&#039;t imagine the grief this family&#039;s been through over the past couple of years.

all this grief over bullshit drug laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a heartbreaking story. I have a 13 yo daughter- I can&#8217;t imagine the grief this family&#8217;s been through over the past couple of years.</p>
<p>all this grief over bullshit drug laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Ganja Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ganja Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well now, if they can pin the murder on her original assailants the FBI doesn&#039;t have to answer any questions. How convenient for the FBI that no one will muster outrage over the trumped up charges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well now, if they can pin the murder on her original assailants the FBI doesn&#8217;t have to answer any questions. How convenient for the FBI that no one will muster outrage over the trumped up charges.</p>
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