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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/11/21/press-release-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-210496</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently &lt;a href=&quot;http://dd.pangyre.org/a/african.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ambrose Bierce&lt;/a&gt; wasn&#039;t just lampooning conservative Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently <a href="http://dd.pangyre.org/a/african.html" rel="nofollow">Ambrose Bierce</a> wasn&#8217;t just lampooning conservative Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: mkvf</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/11/21/press-release-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-210354</link>
		<dc:creator>mkvf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kal at The Moor Next Door has a great post on this, the language of racism and anti-Black racism in particular in the arab world, here: http://themoornextdoor.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/why-most-arabs-dont-care-if-zawahiri-casts-slurs-on-obama/

He adds, in a footnote:

There is an irony in the use of abid (lit. &#039;slave&#039;, but effectively &#039;nigger&#039;) in reference to blacks in North Africa: A great many slaves who came into the Middle East, and North Africa in particular, were white — Europeans, peoples from the Caucus and so on. Most black slaves, brought up through the Sahara, died on the way to the big trading centers. White slaves were far more numerous in Algeria and Tunisia than were blacks. Therefore it is terrifically ironic when a red-haired Tunisian or blond Algerian bitterly refers to an illegal Malian immigrant as abid, while he passes through on his way to Italy or France. And this is not only the case in North Africa, but many other Arab countries as well.


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Z, you have a funny way of looking at cause and effect when you say:

&quot;Black Americans should know that African slavery really kicked into gear when Arab and African Muslims sold African Christians, Jews and Animists to the Europeans.&quot;

You&#039;re right, Arabs and Turks had a long history of taking slaves.  But, Europeans and Americans didn&#039;t build the slave trade because the Arabs did such a good job of marketing them, but because colonial agriculture needed the labour.  

My understanding of the slave trade out of West Africa, for the Caribbean (sp?) and America was that the suppliers were other Africans, as much if not more than Arabs.  You can&#039;t pick one race or religion out of all the different groups that played a role in the slave trade, and say no-one else was to blame:  white and black, arab and african, chistian, muslim and animist, were all guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kal at The Moor Next Door has a great post on this, the language of racism and anti-Black racism in particular in the arab world, here: <a href="http://themoornextdoor.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/why-most-arabs-dont-care-if-zawahiri-casts-slurs-on-obama/" rel="nofollow">http://themoornextdoor.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/why-most-arabs-dont-care-if-zawahiri-casts-slurs-on-obama/</a></p>
<p>He adds, in a footnote:</p>
<p>There is an irony in the use of abid (lit. &#8216;slave&#8217;, but effectively &#8216;nigger&#8217;) in reference to blacks in North Africa: A great many slaves who came into the Middle East, and North Africa in particular, were white — Europeans, peoples from the Caucus and so on. Most black slaves, brought up through the Sahara, died on the way to the big trading centers. White slaves were far more numerous in Algeria and Tunisia than were blacks. Therefore it is terrifically ironic when a red-haired Tunisian or blond Algerian bitterly refers to an illegal Malian immigrant as abid, while he passes through on his way to Italy or France. And this is not only the case in North Africa, but many other Arab countries as well.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Z, you have a funny way of looking at cause and effect when you say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Black Americans should know that African slavery really kicked into gear when Arab and African Muslims sold African Christians, Jews and Animists to the Europeans.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, Arabs and Turks had a long history of taking slaves.  But, Europeans and Americans didn&#8217;t build the slave trade because the Arabs did such a good job of marketing them, but because colonial agriculture needed the labour.  </p>
<p>My understanding of the slave trade out of West Africa, for the Caribbean (sp?) and America was that the suppliers were other Africans, as much if not more than Arabs.  You can&#8217;t pick one race or religion out of all the different groups that played a role in the slave trade, and say no-one else was to blame:  white and black, arab and african, chistian, muslim and animist, were all guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how people still feel that&#039;s necessary... they&#039;re not used to dealing with people who make racially insensitive comments that they can&#039;t publicly shame or sue into submission.  Seems like that statement was pretty self-evident and unnecessary.  Were there Americans that didn&#039;t find that offensive?  Seems like sort of a &quot;given&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how people still feel that&#8217;s necessary&#8230; they&#8217;re not used to dealing with people who make racially insensitive comments that they can&#8217;t publicly shame or sue into submission.  Seems like that statement was pretty self-evident and unnecessary.  Were there Americans that didn&#8217;t find that offensive?  Seems like sort of a &#8220;given&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: dsmallwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsmallwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets not ignore the generalized animosity that our lock-step with Israel causes.  it   IS    true that &quot;Muslim extremists have hated Westerners long before 1948&quot;.  extremists of all faiths are problematic, regardless of nationality.  i don&#039;t think there is much we can do about that.  same for racists and all other xenophobes.  

however, the extremists are only a % of the muslim world, and our simplistic foreign policies have done a good job of alienating much of the remainder.  we don&#039;t have enough friends and we have ceeded the &quot;moral high ground&quot; on many issues (lets get Gitmo in there too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets not ignore the generalized animosity that our lock-step with Israel causes.  it   IS    true that &#8220;Muslim extremists have hated Westerners long before 1948&#8243;.  extremists of all faiths are problematic, regardless of nationality.  i don&#8217;t think there is much we can do about that.  same for racists and all other xenophobes.  </p>
<p>however, the extremists are only a % of the muslim world, and our simplistic foreign policies have done a good job of alienating much of the remainder.  we don&#8217;t have enough friends and we have ceeded the &#8220;moral high ground&#8221; on many issues (lets get Gitmo in there too).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraq war, no Iraq war, Christian president, Muslim president, Jewish president, Black president, White president...none of this matters to the terrorists.  They won&#039;t be happy until they&#039;ve taken or destroyed everything we have.
http://rightklik.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq war, no Iraq war, Christian president, Muslim president, Jewish president, Black president, White president&#8230;none of this matters to the terrorists.  They won&#8217;t be happy until they&#8217;ve taken or destroyed everything we have.<br />
<a href="http://rightklik.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rightklik.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black Americans should know that African slavery really kicked into gear when Arab and African Muslims sold African Christians, Jews and Animists to the Europeans. Those Black Africans who were not sold were usually castrated by their Arab and African Muslim masters. It is to be expected that the fellows at AQ would not be fond of Barry, no matter what his middle name might be.

With respect to Israel and the idea that Zionism and American support for it is driving terror- I promise, Muslim extremists have hated Westerners long before 1948.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Americans should know that African slavery really kicked into gear when Arab and African Muslims sold African Christians, Jews and Animists to the Europeans. Those Black Africans who were not sold were usually castrated by their Arab and African Muslim masters. It is to be expected that the fellows at AQ would not be fond of Barry, no matter what his middle name might be.</p>
<p>With respect to Israel and the idea that Zionism and American support for it is driving terror- I promise, Muslim extremists have hated Westerners long before 1948.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chickens have come home to roost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chickens have come home to roost.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>found the Nader quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>found the Nader quote: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

While I agree that we need to pull our troops out of the vast majority of those bases, you&#039;re a bit naive if you think that&#039;s why we are hated. The people who hate us hold a worldview which makes no sense to the modern secular mind. They really actually do want to finish the religious wars that started with the Islamic conquests of half of the Roman Empire and Persian Empire, and that ended when the Ottoman Empire was finally overthrown by its subject peoples.

We could stop supporting Israel tomorrow, and they would still hate us because their goals are broader and more long term than that. Bin Laden has stated in the past that one of Al Qaeda&#039;s goal is to create a rallying cry in the Islamic world to unite once more as a single entity against the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>While I agree that we need to pull our troops out of the vast majority of those bases, you&#8217;re a bit naive if you think that&#8217;s why we are hated. The people who hate us hold a worldview which makes no sense to the modern secular mind. They really actually do want to finish the religious wars that started with the Islamic conquests of half of the Roman Empire and Persian Empire, and that ended when the Ottoman Empire was finally overthrown by its subject peoples.</p>
<p>We could stop supporting Israel tomorrow, and they would still hate us because their goals are broader and more long term than that. Bin Laden has stated in the past that one of Al Qaeda&#8217;s goal is to create a rallying cry in the Islamic world to unite once more as a single entity against the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-black racism is pretty common in the Arab world based on what I&#039;ve heard from some apostates from Islam who have had dealings there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-black racism is pretty common in the Arab world based on what I&#8217;ve heard from some apostates from Islam who have had dealings there.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,
Nice to see you make this point.  Can we add in there &quot;Support for Israel&quot;?  It seems important enough to call out specifically.  Nothing like putting the Brittish in charge of carving up the Ottoman Empire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
Nice to see you make this point.  Can we add in there &#8220;Support for Israel&#8221;?  It seems important enough to call out specifically.  Nothing like putting the Brittish in charge of carving up the Ottoman Empire.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody mentions the last statement in the press release.

&quot;It is my hope that President-Elect Obama will continue to support our military and the counter-terrorism infrastructure that has kept us safe for the past seven years.&quot;

I whole-heartedly disagree with this statement. It is our 300 military bases in 130 countries along with or imperialism that causes such alignment of philosophical hate, not prevents it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody mentions the last statement in the press release.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is my hope that President-Elect Obama will continue to support our military and the counter-terrorism infrastructure that has kept us safe for the past seven years.&#8221;</p>
<p>I whole-heartedly disagree with this statement. It is our 300 military bases in 130 countries along with or imperialism that causes such alignment of philosophical hate, not prevents it.</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anybody see when Progressive &quot;hero&quot; Ralph Nader essentially called Obama an &quot;uncle Tom&quot; on Fox news.  Shepard Smith was good enough to call him on that one.  I&#039;m sure it&#039;s on YouTube if anyone is interested.  For me it was another sobering reminder that the tactics/rhetoric of those trained (indoctrinated?) by the New Left are often similar to Theocrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anybody see when Progressive &#8220;hero&#8221; Ralph Nader essentially called Obama an &#8220;uncle Tom&#8221; on Fox news.  Shepard Smith was good enough to call him on that one.  I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s on YouTube if anyone is interested.  For me it was another sobering reminder that the tactics/rhetoric of those trained (indoctrinated?) by the New Left are often similar to Theocrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in AL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t they know that hate speech is a crime?  We need a higher class of terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t they know that hate speech is a crime?  We need a higher class of terrorist.</p>
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		<title>By: AV</title>
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		<dc:creator>AV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! Terrorists who kill people by the thousands are racist too??

I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll apologize and say there was an error in translation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! Terrorists who kill people by the thousands are racist too??</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll apologize and say there was an error in translation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s bad enough when your enemies are cut-throat blood-thirsty terrorists without them blurting out hurtful things on top of it.  After all, people have feelings, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s bad enough when your enemies are cut-throat blood-thirsty terrorists without them blurting out hurtful things on top of it.  After all, people have feelings, you know.</p>
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