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Anyone Listen to Rush Limbaugh Today?
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008Apparently he mentioned me and my post on blacks and gay marriage.
I’m curious as to the context.
MORE: Go here, and scroll down to item #10. Thanks to Greg Newburn.
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i overheard the guy in the office next to me listening to him. didnt hear the references to you radley, but rush sounded like he was gonna have a heart attack all day. he could hardly speak straight and it sounded like he was choking on his fat cheeks. i guess he was pissed obama won.
The context was Limbaugh’s discussion of unintended consequences of the high minority voter turnout due to Obama’s candidacy. Limbaugh was very complimentary and repeated the main points of your article almost verbatim.
You’re now in the big-time.
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So Rush is upset that Gay Marriage is now outlawed? Or does he just want to show how evil granting Civil Rights can be because eventually the “Oppressed” will become the “Oppressors”?
We could just dispense with the crude Marxism and recognize that prejudice and bigotry are a universal human constant and a majority of PEOPLE who voted yesterday voted against gay marriage initiatives, irrespective of race.
It is a sad fact of our sorry public education system that black Americans tend to be the least educated because of the crappy schools in black neighborhoods (who decided that, if we’re going to fund public schools we should do it with local property taxes? How does that make sense?).
My guess is that, if you controlled for race, you’d find that the votes against gay marriage correlated most closely with education level and not race.
(Yes, I understand that there are non-bigoted Burkean-style arguments against gay marriage, but the 10,000 people in the country who understand them wouldn’t make a difference: I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that most people who oppose gay marriage do so out of bigotry or the “ick” factor.)
It seems to be a matter of semantics. People are confusing and conflating “rights” and “rites”.
Would it be so much easier just to narrow it down to a contract and avoid all the legal wording?
Maybe I’m just not clued into Rush speak, but I had the hardest time trying to parse out what he was actually trying to say. I’m still not sure I got it. Is his style really as obtuse as his waist?
I voted for Prop 8.
Not that I give a shit about the gay rights movement either way, I figured that most of the people against 8 were lefties and believe in Marxism/socialism/social justice, gun control, enviromental lunacy and so forth so this was my way of telling them to fuck off.
No rights for you!
John Jenkins (#4) … As bad as public education is, the culpability for poor education among blacks probably rests with the parents and sub-culture as much as the public schools. Those who want to learn will find a way. Too many blacks are taught, through parents and peer pressure, that education is for whitey. If Obama can change that attitude to a more positive direction through leadership and example, kudos.
While the “ick” factor with homosexuality is real (a natural instinct–just like the “ick” factor with cannibalism), many people don’t believe the government should be promoting a basically immoral behavior (really, govt shouldn’t be regulating lifestyles at all–much less promoting them). Our society has made great strides, in that we don’t execute these people. (The New Testament doesn’t advocate persecution of homosexuals, only avoidance of unrepentant sinners.) On the other hand, just because you have freedom to do something, doesn’t mean its a good practice.
Prostitution is another example: it *should* be legal–but also avoided. Why should it be legal? Because while you are *not* the owner of your body and your life(that right belongs to a higher power), you *are* the custodian of it–not the government, not me, not your neighbors, not the local church. Those decisions are yours. My opinion of people’s decisions/lifestyle should hold no relevance in terms of law as long as they do not violate anyone’s rights.
@Warren: That makes 2 of us. I also voted against their “if you don’t vote against prop 8, you’re a bigot/homophobe,” destruction of campaign signs, shrill campaign messages (that’s you, Gavin Newsome, DiFi and Samuel L Jackson).
Thanks so much andy and Warren. You hurt people you don’t know and helped nosy people continue their moral satisfaction in voting on the right to repress others. And you reasoning — you sound so adult and kind, not at all like vindictive, small-minded people lacking in empathy.
Why the hell should you care who doesn’t support Prop 8? Wow, you really told all those people who have a bad grasp of economics and the Second Amendment. Nice job. That was really the point, just what you should have been focusing on. Fuck you both.
What Lucy said. What a pair of dicks.
Kyle,
I’m there with you. I could not make heads or tails out of Rush said.
Warren, you voted for the amendment that you didn’t believe in that restricted another group’s rights to piss off a third party? WTF?
Voting based on your opinion of what is a right or not is one thing. Think gays shouldn’t marry? I don’t agree with you, but this is America, and sometimes we make bad laws based on misguided beliefs. We all accept this.
Implicitly saying “I don’t care one way or another, but I’m gonna’ vote against the bill to irritate another group” leaves open the possibility that gay marriage is a fundamental right that you would piss away for your own personal hatred of a third party. I’m not saying it is a fundamental right, but this kind of action has far reaching implications. With this kind of thinking, liberals are justified to vote for gun bans just because they hate Rush Limbaugh, not because guns are dangerous, or white people are justified in targeting middle-eastern named people at airports because they hate terrorists, not because you think the people in question are a threat.
Have some intellectual integrity. It’s ok to disagree and vote on your beliefs. It’s not ok to hurt one group of people to get back at another that you just don’t like.
This is worse than uninformed or random voting. What kind of bottom feeding troll are you?
It’s a war, lefties are by far the main enemy, most gays are on the left. Therefore this hurts them way more than it does any damage to my side.
Is that easy enough for you to understand?
Simon LeFaux wrote, “Would it be so much easier just to narrow it down to a contract and avoid all the legal wording?”
uhhh…..Simon, a contract IS a legal document. Therefore, by definition, every word that comprises it is “legal wording.”
jwh, you are right, I was trying not to use the word semantics again, but didn’t think it through. Thanks
Why are the lefties the “main enemies” (and who are the secondary enemies)?
Check out the numbers of innocents killed by leftist governments last century. 100+ million. Hitler, Lenin/Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the North Vietnamese….
The right is full of idiots and religious nut cases but is not generally as bloodthirsty. With the exception of the bunch in the White House now, of course. But then neo-cons are leftists that talk rightist.
So now that 8 has won the left has to spend resources on it rather than on other, more important issues.
And for all those people that are pissed at me, if you were truly libertarian minded you would not care that 8 won because there is no moral or ethical place for government to be involved in marriage. You should be working to get Big Gov out of our weddings, not trying to get it’s blessing for a new type of marriage.
And by “it” in the third graf I meant the gay marriage issue in general not just Prop 8.
Radley, this thread will teach you to mention Limbaugh’s name – it attracts flies. I guess that asshat mentioned your name first, so it wasn’t entirely your fault though.
I grew up listening to Limbaugh. Reforming my mind after being a ditto-head, I learned to reject propaganda, avoid cults of personality, and to accept the possibility that no matter how strongly I feel or how strongly I have considered an issue, what I believe could be wrong. Realizing politics and human interaction are far too complex for any of our tiny brains to totally comprehend, I gained the tools to reject team-politics. Ironically, I thank Boortz and Limbaugh for my world-view that far exceeds theirs. I’m a libertarian because I know I could be wrong.
The “war” rhetoric is just that. Warren is too much of a coward to fight a “war”. If he isn’t going to contribute to human progress with his words and thoughts, he is just a minor bump in the road. It sucks that he has to waste his life thinking like that, but hey, fuck him. He’s a douche who is so convinced he’s right, there’s no talking to him.
I caught that part of Limbaugh’s program this morning and I was sort of zoning out until I heard Radley’s name mentioned. Limbaugh’s point was pretty straightforward. He sees irony in the idea that Obama, whose electoral victory is hailed by the left, is attributed in part to increased turnout among minority voters. But those voters are often socially traditionalist (unlike the left), which may have helped in the setbacks same-sex marriage saw in several states.
BTW, Limbaugh is hit or miss for me, but I thought it was interesting that he or one of his staff or someone is a Reason reader. I kinda wish someone with his audience was a more regular expositor of libertarian ideas.
Go fuck yourself Omar…if you don’t get what the collectivists are about by now you never will.
Warren, you are as much a collectivist as anybody by pulling that stunt you did on Prop 8.
@billy-jay, I know, right? Let’s lump all people of a persuasion into a group and try to hurt them all since some of them hurt me. That’s individual!
If it’s a war, you gotta’ pick a side. So get in line and fight the battles that Colonel Warren tells you to. No room for freedom in the quest against collectivism, troops. You are either with us or against us.
Shall we also support laws that discriminate against blacks and Jews? I hear on the whole, they are tend to be pretty liberal too. By Warren’s half-baked revenge motivated justification, that’s ok too.
Few people around these parts would argue left-wing policies haven’t killed a metric-fuck-ton of people. But don’t presume that there is a 100% chance that our preferred policies won’t kill anybody either. Declaring your righteousness, pretending that people you disagree with aren’t actually people worth dealing with, and trying to hurt them for not supporting your ideals is a good way to lose an argument, look like a jerk, and turn people against the very things you wish for.
“I grew up listening to Limbaugh. Reforming my mind after being a ditto-head, I learned to reject propaganda, avoid cults of personality, and to accept the possibility that no matter how strongly I feel or how strongly I have considered an issue, what I believe could be wrong.”
Maybe part of your rehabilition should be to listen to people you disagree with, and then, you know, not become a member of a cult. It’s a useful skill.
I would argue that listening to Limbaugh and believing in conservative ideology is not “cultish”, Alex. Limbaugh is an entertainer who provides a useful service – exposing the overreaches of liberal media organs and giving conservatives a place to gather where they are not mocked as being troglodytes.
I do agree with Alex on one point – why should your behavior be cultish in regards to whomever you listen to? Opinions are like a-holes and all that. That’s what great about the blogosphere…you can see the range of opinions on an issue in about five minutes. Then you can decide whom to believe.
Ugh, voting for Prop 8 as revenge. How childish. I’m surprised that the Yes on 8 propoganda didn’t piss you off just as much. There was 10 times as much of it, and it was full of lies only stupid people would believe. (They will sue your church for no performing gay marriages!)
@ #7 & #9
Somewhere Tyler Cowen is saying “See the rational irrationality inherent in the system! Help, help, we’re being repressed!”
While the “ick” factor with homosexuality is real (a natural instinct–just like the “ick” factor with cannibalism), many people don’t believe the government should be promoting a basically immoral behavior (really, govt shouldn’t be regulating lifestyles at all–much less promoting them).
Yeah, that’s why cannabilism, like homosexuality, continues to be an important part of cultures all around the world.
^ Not Cohen, but Bryan Caplan.
I would argue listening to Rush is one of the reasons “conservatives” are mocked as being troglodytes.
Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, et al, would have voted “No” on Prop 8 right along with you…
#8 said: “Because while you are *not* the owner of your body and your life(that right belongs to a higher power), you *are* the custodian of it–not the government, not me, not your neighbors, not the local church. Those decisions are yours.”
If decisions are the product of my mind, and my mind is the product of my brain, and my brain is owned by a “higher power,” how exactly are my decisions my own? Is the brain not a part of the body in your belief system? Or do you feel the mind is separate from the brain? If the mind is not part of the brain, how do you explain schizophrenia, or the changes in personality and thought processes that can come with brain damage or illnesses of the brain? Why is my mind affected when God’s brain is influenced by chemicals such as alcohol or THC? If we do not own our brains, I don’t see how we own our decisions. If a higher power owns our decisions, how is anything we do either good or bad?
#18 said: “Check out the numbers of innocents killed by leftist governments last century. 100+ million. Hitler, Lenin/Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the North Vietnamese….”
I was under the impression that Hitler was on the far right. National Socialism does not equal EU socialism. I was also under the impression that the remaining men weren’t just “leftist,” but were about as far to the left as one can go. I was also under the impression that all of the above persecuted gays. That 100+ million figure in your above quote included quite a few queers. Voting in line with the beliefs of your supposed enemies is not a repudiation of them.
The war on the lefties is like the war on poverty, the middle class, terrorism, illiteracy, etc. Why does it always have to be a war? Wars create collateral damage, hurt the innocents, and generally lose their idealism when people decide they have to win at any cost. Enough symbolic wars.
Actually no, dumbass. You see, you’ve just shown how easy it is to get discrimination put in the California Constitution, and you are a conservative in a liberal state. The next discriminatory element added to the California Consititution could be aimed at you. What a completely unprincipled jack ass.
Rush’s pic made me think of Carlin and what he said about “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes it’s a big brown dick” I miss George!
Ok, I get it I’m an asshole. True, I am.
I’m also an anarchist which means I get to play by whatever rules I want. (Conservative? ). As long as I don’t hurt anyone or their property, I’m good.
And no, no couples were “hurt” by the passage of 8 they are still in the same relationships as they were before the election.
The key, which all of you missed, is that there is no place at all for the gov men to be granting sanction to marriages. This is one of the most important and personal and intimate things an individual can get involved in and we need permission from the state? I don’t think so.
So if you were waiting around for that that is your problem, not mine.
If I found a lever that instantly and gently closed all public schools in the state and would cost the the left millions to undo, I would work it so fast all you would see is a blur, and I would do this knowing full well that there are plenty of good folk, people that I agree with on a large set of issues that would be inconvenienced by it.
Though I would wait for the weekend or at least after schools had closed for the day.
The same thing would happen with the “pay taxes” lever, the “drug war lever” the “drivers license lever” the “swat team lever” the “post office” lever, “the foreign wars lever” and so on.
And I’m sure people would bitch and moan about those as well. Unless I pushed the lever all the way over to “full tax refund”.
Chris at #26. I agree with you completely. My three favorite political radio hosts are Rush, Boortz, and Sharpton. Only one of those do I agree with often, but they’re all badasses.
I was mocking Omar, apparently poorly, for this ditto-head or nothing schtick. Re-read his two comments. They’re really kinda creepy. It sounds like his parents called Rick Ross to deprogram him and now he’s so sensitive that he can’t listen to any charismatic person with an opinion.
@38: So how does an anarchist end up in a voting booth?
@40 There was this whole musical number, it was grand.
Actually I just wanted to write in a shout out for Ron Paul, so while I was there….
Warren @ 38:
Yes, it is ideal that government has nothing to do with marriage at all. But as long as they *do*, and as long as marriage offers benefits and access to some things (contracts, etc) that non married people do not have the same access to, it is important that it is available to everyone, not just the ones that the majority agrees with.
Will somebody please ship Warren off to the gulag where he belongs.
Its time to get vocal,the drug war costs 250 billion a year,local ,county,state and federal law enforcement,courts,judges and prisons………if people want to do drugs let them and tax them so that the other 90% that do not do drugs can get some tax relief!
Anyone Listen to Rush Limbaugh Today?
Not Only NO but HELL NO He is nothing but hot air.