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	<title>Comments on: Detective Defends Cheye Calvo Raid in National Review</title>
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		<title>By: Dear PG County: You Don&#8217;t Shoot Puppies &#171; Olde Frothingblog</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-313638</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear PG County: You Don&#8217;t Shoot Puppies &#171; Olde Frothingblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] not surprising county police would close ranks to protect their own. Correspondingly, I read in The Examiner yesterday that Mayor Calvo is suing PG County for damages [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Puppy Power - In The Agora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puppy Power - In The Agora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] not surprising county police would close ranks to protect their own. Correspondingly, I read in The Examiner yesterday that Mayor Calvo is suing PG County for damages [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: L'homme sans Visage</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-280500</link>
		<dc:creator>L'homme sans Visage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, those cops fucked up, but Jesus Christ people... do we always have to go to such extremes when denouncing stupid behavior? It&#039;s no more true to say that this is consistent in the police culture than to hate all mechanics cause the one down the street overcharged you for bad repairs. Now the overreactive types will again jump to conclusions, but we have to look at the truth here and not confuse anger and emotions for intelligent thought.

I know a lot of cops and, hell, a lot of criminals, and you know what? I can&#039;t make a generalization about any of them. Some are cool, some are assholes-- on both sides of the line. Sometimes people just screw up. It&#039;s not systematic of huge cracks in the system, it&#039;s just a dumb ass mistake probably made by a dumb ass cop. The VAST majority of work done by people in law enforcement is very good. But you don&#039;t hear about it. All you hear are the screw-ups. With that standard, I&#039;ll bet you could make any profession look bad. Even the hallowed estate of journalism.

I&#039;m not defending anybody. It&#039;s not my job to do so for adults. They can defend themselves. If it was my house, someone would probably be hurt because a gun or two would have been pointed at the people coming through the door. It wasn&#039;t, thank God. I don&#039;t want to shoot a cop and I don&#039;t want one to shoot me.

There is nothing perfect created by man. Nothing. I just hope you all aren&#039;t so hard on yourselves when you make a mistake. You&#039;d all be suicidal. Our extreme reactions to the occasional human imperfections just prove that we have no idea how good things really are in this country. Even when things go bad. God bless America, all of you, and our right to free speech.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, those cops fucked up, but Jesus Christ people&#8230; do we always have to go to such extremes when denouncing stupid behavior? It&#8217;s no more true to say that this is consistent in the police culture than to hate all mechanics cause the one down the street overcharged you for bad repairs. Now the overreactive types will again jump to conclusions, but we have to look at the truth here and not confuse anger and emotions for intelligent thought.</p>
<p>I know a lot of cops and, hell, a lot of criminals, and you know what? I can&#8217;t make a generalization about any of them. Some are cool, some are assholes&#8211; on both sides of the line. Sometimes people just screw up. It&#8217;s not systematic of huge cracks in the system, it&#8217;s just a dumb ass mistake probably made by a dumb ass cop. The VAST majority of work done by people in law enforcement is very good. But you don&#8217;t hear about it. All you hear are the screw-ups. With that standard, I&#8217;ll bet you could make any profession look bad. Even the hallowed estate of journalism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not defending anybody. It&#8217;s not my job to do so for adults. They can defend themselves. If it was my house, someone would probably be hurt because a gun or two would have been pointed at the people coming through the door. It wasn&#8217;t, thank God. I don&#8217;t want to shoot a cop and I don&#8217;t want one to shoot me.</p>
<p>There is nothing perfect created by man. Nothing. I just hope you all aren&#8217;t so hard on yourselves when you make a mistake. You&#8217;d all be suicidal. Our extreme reactions to the occasional human imperfections just prove that we have no idea how good things really are in this country. Even when things go bad. God bless America, all of you, and our right to free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Milwaukee Police Chief Says to Hell With the Rule of Law&#160;&#124;&#160;Chicago Copwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-266538</link>
		<dc:creator>Milwaukee Police Chief Says to Hell With the Rule of Law&#160;&#124;&#160;Chicago Copwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] wonder the city’s force includes cops like Det. Kent Corbett, who actually wrote a letter to the editor of National Review in defense of the Maryland raid on [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mrs. C</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-265773</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In addition, each warrant requires a judge’s authorization, and obviously the available evidence satisfied the judge in this case.&quot;

It is my experience that those who sign off on these warrants do so almost automatically...and running the type of procedure to be used...past the superior officer for his ok...is also a rote drill.  Afterall, the input of those who are assumed to be &quot;competent&quot; detectives or officers is enough for those who do not invest much of themselves in what is about to take place.  Too much is taken for granted...hence &quot;overkill&quot; coupled with &quot;botched raids&quot; in the most unnecessary of circumstances. 

&#039;&#039;This incident should not be considered overkill (to take a word from Reason’s Radley Balko), but sound police tactics. As soon as some police administrator starts to second-guess the training and experience of the officers charged with doing these types of investigations, someone will get hurt or killed. Drug investigations are inherently dangerous, and so is the Monday-morning quarterbacking you are doing.&quot;

Exactly the mentality that makes my blood boil...in this case &quot;drug&quot; investigations are inherently dangerous...in our case it was a &quot;wagering on sports&quot; investigation...and someone...a very precious someone...my son...DID get unjustly shot and killed...by one of their non-second guessed &quot;experienced&quot; SWAT officers.

How dare he (Corbett) think to defend his position...in circumstances like Mr. Calvo&#039;s...by stating  that these officers...and their training and experience...are sound police tactics.  If they had done even a half-baked background check...all of what happened could have been avoided...but of course that would mean even if they did a check...they would have to get it right...and then give some credence to what they learned. Again...my experience has been &quot;that when SWAT is sent out...they disregard background info and risk assessments...afterall they are SWAT and the rules...if there are any...change for them.

God keep blessing Radley Balko.  Amen

www.justiceforsal.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In addition, each warrant requires a judge’s authorization, and obviously the available evidence satisfied the judge in this case.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is my experience that those who sign off on these warrants do so almost automatically&#8230;and running the type of procedure to be used&#8230;past the superior officer for his ok&#8230;is also a rote drill.  Afterall, the input of those who are assumed to be &#8220;competent&#8221; detectives or officers is enough for those who do not invest much of themselves in what is about to take place.  Too much is taken for granted&#8230;hence &#8220;overkill&#8221; coupled with &#8220;botched raids&#8221; in the most unnecessary of circumstances. </p>
<p>&#8221;This incident should not be considered overkill (to take a word from Reason’s Radley Balko), but sound police tactics. As soon as some police administrator starts to second-guess the training and experience of the officers charged with doing these types of investigations, someone will get hurt or killed. Drug investigations are inherently dangerous, and so is the Monday-morning quarterbacking you are doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly the mentality that makes my blood boil&#8230;in this case &#8220;drug&#8221; investigations are inherently dangerous&#8230;in our case it was a &#8220;wagering on sports&#8221; investigation&#8230;and someone&#8230;a very precious someone&#8230;my son&#8230;DID get unjustly shot and killed&#8230;by one of their non-second guessed &#8220;experienced&#8221; SWAT officers.</p>
<p>How dare he (Corbett) think to defend his position&#8230;in circumstances like Mr. Calvo&#8217;s&#8230;by stating  that these officers&#8230;and their training and experience&#8230;are sound police tactics.  If they had done even a half-baked background check&#8230;all of what happened could have been avoided&#8230;but of course that would mean even if they did a check&#8230;they would have to get it right&#8230;and then give some credence to what they learned. Again&#8230;my experience has been &#8220;that when SWAT is sent out&#8230;they disregard background info and risk assessments&#8230;afterall they are SWAT and the rules&#8230;if there are any&#8230;change for them.</p>
<p>God keep blessing Radley Balko.  Amen</p>
<p><a href="http://www.justiceforsal.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.justiceforsal.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Milwaukee Police Chief Says to Hell With the Rule of Law - Corcoran Brothers</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-265656</link>
		<dc:creator>Milwaukee Police Chief Says to Hell With the Rule of Law - Corcoran Brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] wonder the city’s force includes cops like Det. Kent Corbett, who actually wrote a letter to the editor of National Review in defense of the Maryland raid on [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Milwaukee Police Chief Says to Hell With the Rule of Law</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-265536</link>
		<dc:creator>The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Milwaukee Police Chief Says to Hell With the Rule of Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] wonder the city&#8217;s force includes cops like Det. Kent Corbett, who actually wrote a letter to the editor of National Review in defense of the Maryland raid on [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Do America’s Inner Cities Need a “Surge?”&#160;&#124;&#160;Chicago Copwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-257572</link>
		<dc:creator>Do America’s Inner Cities Need a “Surge?”&#160;&#124;&#160;Chicago Copwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bad cops are in the minority, but good cops cover for them. And far too many officers subscribe to a soldier’s mentality, and take too literally the idea that theyr’e fighting a “war” on drugs or crime. It’s a [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Unlikely Convergence &#171; Upturned Earth</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-251983</link>
		<dc:creator>Unlikely Convergence &#171; Upturned Earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bad cops are in the minority, but good cops cover for them. And far too many officers subscribe to a soldier’s mentality, and take too literally the idea that they’re fighting a “war” on drugs or crime. It’s a [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Do America&#8217;s Inner Cities Need a &#8220;Surge?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-251846</link>
		<dc:creator>The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Do America&#8217;s Inner Cities Need a &#8220;Surge?&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bad cops are in the minority, but good cops cover for them. And far too many officers subscribe to a soldier&#8217;s mentality, and take too literally the idea that theyr&#8217;e fighting a &#8220;war&#8221; on drugs or crime. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-198221</link>
		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe a good answer for these is to put a price on them.  For example, establish a law that says that if a no-knock warrant is served on the wrong address, the police department automatically owes the residents, say, $100K, no questions asked, and that if anyone dies in such a raid, whoever is formally in charge of the raid automatically loses his job and pension.  

The no-knock warrants can then continue to be used (bad, but probably broadly accepted by the public), but raiding the wrong address/people will suddenly become much more rare, just because police departments don&#039;t like losing tons of money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a good answer for these is to put a price on them.  For example, establish a law that says that if a no-knock warrant is served on the wrong address, the police department automatically owes the residents, say, $100K, no questions asked, and that if anyone dies in such a raid, whoever is formally in charge of the raid automatically loses his job and pension.  </p>
<p>The no-knock warrants can then continue to be used (bad, but probably broadly accepted by the public), but raiding the wrong address/people will suddenly become much more rare, just because police departments don&#8217;t like losing tons of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Green</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-197607</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Live in &quot;the sewer&quot;,think like the sewer,are the sewer. What type of ammendment takes away all the other ammendments? Could it be the (((supreme-scalia))) opinion/ammendment ,in regards of a certain &quot;new professionalism&quot;? In other words, the &quot;WHATEVER YA GOTTA DO&quot;ammendment... The 4th is in plain english. Are the peoples rights secure (I don&#039;t feel secure)? Are warranted searches supported by &quot;oath or affirmation&quot; (they lie and they&#039;re wrong alot)? Big money makes for tyrannies aplenty (like seizures)... Sounds like the 4th is gone to me...shame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Live in &#8220;the sewer&#8221;,think like the sewer,are the sewer. What type of ammendment takes away all the other ammendments? Could it be the (((supreme-scalia))) opinion/ammendment ,in regards of a certain &#8220;new professionalism&#8221;? In other words, the &#8220;WHATEVER YA GOTTA DO&#8221;ammendment&#8230; The 4th is in plain english. Are the peoples rights secure (I don&#8217;t feel secure)? Are warranted searches supported by &#8220;oath or affirmation&#8221; (they lie and they&#8217;re wrong alot)? Big money makes for tyrannies aplenty (like seizures)&#8230; Sounds like the 4th is gone to me&#8230;shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Shirley</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-197472</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever the merits of the case are, we know all we need to know about Milwaukee PD from Det. Corbett&#039;s letter.

Somebody cleared his background check. Somebody passed him on his written and oral boards. Somebody passed him at the Academy. A Field Training Officer passed him after his probationary period. He was accepted into the SWAT team and later moved up as a plain clothes police officer and eventually promoted to Detective.

Police departments are examples of what&#039;s known as a self selecting elite. And his behavior reflects acceptable behavior in his department. His letter makes this quite clear.

It also tells me that Milwaukee PD is a sewer, and frankly I wouldn&#039;t trust any of them at this stage with blunt objects, let alone sharp ones. Also, if I were on a jury on a case where a cop was killed breaking into the wrong house, I&#039;d vote to acquit the shooter, because if I were served by a police department like that one, I&#039;d have an articulable fear for my life too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the merits of the case are, we know all we need to know about Milwaukee PD from Det. Corbett&#8217;s letter.</p>
<p>Somebody cleared his background check. Somebody passed him on his written and oral boards. Somebody passed him at the Academy. A Field Training Officer passed him after his probationary period. He was accepted into the SWAT team and later moved up as a plain clothes police officer and eventually promoted to Detective.</p>
<p>Police departments are examples of what&#8217;s known as a self selecting elite. And his behavior reflects acceptable behavior in his department. His letter makes this quite clear.</p>
<p>It also tells me that Milwaukee PD is a sewer, and frankly I wouldn&#8217;t trust any of them at this stage with blunt objects, let alone sharp ones. Also, if I were on a jury on a case where a cop was killed breaking into the wrong house, I&#8217;d vote to acquit the shooter, because if I were served by a police department like that one, I&#8217;d have an articulable fear for my life too.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-197327</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A quote from Peter Moskos&#039; book, Cop in the Hood, echoes Corbett&#039;s sentiments:

&quot;My primary goal, like most police officers, was to return home safely every day.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quote from Peter Moskos&#8217; book, Cop in the Hood, echoes Corbett&#8217;s sentiments:</p>
<p>&#8220;My primary goal, like most police officers, was to return home safely every day.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-197324</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the comment I sent to the MPO&#039;s tip line (and a tip of the hat to Frank for suggesting it):

As demonstrated by his recent letter to the National Review, Officer Kent Corbett is more interested in protecting himself than in following proper police procedure. He has also demonstrated contempt for the rights of innocent civilians. This is an officer who either needs to be retrained or fired outright.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the comment I sent to the MPO&#8217;s tip line (and a tip of the hat to Frank for suggesting it):</p>
<p>As demonstrated by his recent letter to the National Review, Officer Kent Corbett is more interested in protecting himself than in following proper police procedure. He has also demonstrated contempt for the rights of innocent civilians. This is an officer who either needs to be retrained or fired outright.</p>
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		<title>By: TBoneJones</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/27/detective-defends-cheye-calvo-raid-in-national-review/comment-page-2/#comment-197275</link>
		<dc:creator>TBoneJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Suprecat you said the Constitution does not specify what the remedy should be when government officials act illegitimately&quot;

Uhhh if you went to public schools sometimes in the last 20 years you probably didn&#039;t learn this but that&#039;s primary reason we have a 2nd amendment. The fear that older vets and the handful of patriots left will eventually get fed up with the bastardization of OUR Constitution and trampling of our rights is exactly why local police and sheriff&#039;s departments have been given literally hundreds of millions of dollars worth of military type armaments by the Bush Administration (under the guise of some kind of some imaginary domestic war on terror) and the restrictions against the military being used against private citizens were lifted.

Hopefully it is clear to everyone that yet BIGGER change is coming to the American Dream in the not too distant future. That there hasn&#039;t been a military coup should make it just as clear Generals don&#039;t take their oath to defend OUR Constitution against DOMESTIC enemies seriously anymore. Welcome to the world of EuroSocialism aka The New World Order. Steer your children towards government jobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Suprecat you said the Constitution does not specify what the remedy should be when government officials act illegitimately&#8221;</p>
<p>Uhhh if you went to public schools sometimes in the last 20 years you probably didn&#8217;t learn this but that&#8217;s primary reason we have a 2nd amendment. The fear that older vets and the handful of patriots left will eventually get fed up with the bastardization of OUR Constitution and trampling of our rights is exactly why local police and sheriff&#8217;s departments have been given literally hundreds of millions of dollars worth of military type armaments by the Bush Administration (under the guise of some kind of some imaginary domestic war on terror) and the restrictions against the military being used against private citizens were lifted.</p>
<p>Hopefully it is clear to everyone that yet BIGGER change is coming to the American Dream in the not too distant future. That there hasn&#8217;t been a military coup should make it just as clear Generals don&#8217;t take their oath to defend OUR Constitution against DOMESTIC enemies seriously anymore. Welcome to the world of EuroSocialism aka The New World Order. Steer your children towards government jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Santee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How many will have to die, for, at the most a few ounces of grass, for the monday back quarterbacking to begin and stop this shit??  The no knock raid is unconstitutional bull crap dreamed up by some damn demented fiend in a dark room somewhere, and then approved by senior officials and allowed by the public.  When will the public say, enough is enough?

The war on drugs has already been lost, and now we are pouring billions down a rat hole that only gets people killed.  It is time to stop the insanity and to legalize drugs and then regulate them.  This would put many criminals out of business and end much of the gang warfare in our inner cities.  STOP THE WAR ON DRUGS!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many will have to die, for, at the most a few ounces of grass, for the monday back quarterbacking to begin and stop this shit??  The no knock raid is unconstitutional bull crap dreamed up by some damn demented fiend in a dark room somewhere, and then approved by senior officials and allowed by the public.  When will the public say, enough is enough?</p>
<p>The war on drugs has already been lost, and now we are pouring billions down a rat hole that only gets people killed.  It is time to stop the insanity and to legalize drugs and then regulate them.  This would put many criminals out of business and end much of the gang warfare in our inner cities.  STOP THE WAR ON DRUGS!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course Officer Safety comes first! 
That&#039;s why when the carnage broke out at Columbine HS, the police waited outside for hours before going in to see what happened.

Ask any cop what the most important part of their job is- to a man they will say &quot;getting home safely to my family&quot;

People&#039;s rights, truth, justice, other people going home to THEIR families -all take a back seat to the primary mission of police everywhere- &quot;Officer Safety&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Officer Safety comes first!<br />
That&#8217;s why when the carnage broke out at Columbine HS, the police waited outside for hours before going in to see what happened.</p>
<p>Ask any cop what the most important part of their job is- to a man they will say &#8220;getting home safely to my family&#8221;</p>
<p>People&#8217;s rights, truth, justice, other people going home to THEIR families -all take a back seat to the primary mission of police everywhere- &#8220;Officer Safety&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John Jenkins: &lt;i&gt;By hypothesis, any search or seizure pursuant to a valid warrant is reasonable. Nothing in the Fourth Amendment suggests that only searches and seizures pursuant to a valid warrant are permitted.&lt;/i&gt;

Not all searches via warrant are reasonable, nor is every entry without a warrant unreasonable.  If a cop sees a wheelchair-bound person screaming at the window of a burning building and breaks into the building so as to rescue the person, ignoring the issue of whether such behavior would be wise, such behavior should not be forbidden on a Fourth-Amendment basis.  Conversely, if a cop has a warrant to search for a stolen car and the cop ransacks all sorts of cabinets and containers which are obviously too small to hold a car, that would be unreasonable.  If warrants were not &lt;i&gt;generally&lt;/I&gt; considered a precondition for &quot;reasonable&quot; searches, why would the Fourth Amendment mention them at all?

&lt;i&gt;Your belief that any “unreasonable” search is “illegitimate” is contingent on a court-crafted remedy that has no source in the Constitution.&lt;/i&gt;

The Constitution makes clear that an unreasonable search or seizure is illegitimate.  How could it possibly be more specific?  The Constitution does not specify what the remedy should be when government officials act illegitimately, but the first remedy would be to recognize that they cannot be considered to be acting legitimately on behalf of the government.

&lt;i&gt;If you also commit a robbery while therein, then you may also be charged with robbery.&lt;/i&gt;

Fine.  Charge the cops with burglary as well as robbery and/or murder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Jenkins: <i>By hypothesis, any search or seizure pursuant to a valid warrant is reasonable. Nothing in the Fourth Amendment suggests that only searches and seizures pursuant to a valid warrant are permitted.</i></p>
<p>Not all searches via warrant are reasonable, nor is every entry without a warrant unreasonable.  If a cop sees a wheelchair-bound person screaming at the window of a burning building and breaks into the building so as to rescue the person, ignoring the issue of whether such behavior would be wise, such behavior should not be forbidden on a Fourth-Amendment basis.  Conversely, if a cop has a warrant to search for a stolen car and the cop ransacks all sorts of cabinets and containers which are obviously too small to hold a car, that would be unreasonable.  If warrants were not <i>generally</i> considered a precondition for &#8220;reasonable&#8221; searches, why would the Fourth Amendment mention them at all?</p>
<p><i>Your belief that any “unreasonable” search is “illegitimate” is contingent on a court-crafted remedy that has no source in the Constitution.</i></p>
<p>The Constitution makes clear that an unreasonable search or seizure is illegitimate.  How could it possibly be more specific?  The Constitution does not specify what the remedy should be when government officials act illegitimately, but the first remedy would be to recognize that they cannot be considered to be acting legitimately on behalf of the government.</p>
<p><i>If you also commit a robbery while therein, then you may also be charged with robbery.</i></p>
<p>Fine.  Charge the cops with burglary as well as robbery and/or murder.</p>
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		<title>By: the friendly grizzly</title>
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		<dc:creator>the friendly grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#66 Steve: sorry, my friend.  Those officers would be heroes to most police departments. I don&#039;t know where you serve and to put not too fine a point on it, I find it hard to believe that ANY police department in this country still follows Constitutional requirements, or that does not think of the non-police population as fodder to build stats for next year&#039;s budget.

Perhaps in very small towns where everyone knows one another a policeman would think twice about hassling the peasants, but only because the peasants know where he lives.  Those of us in bigger places are just plain out of luck and at the mercy of a privileged someone who had a fight with the wife that morning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#66 Steve: sorry, my friend.  Those officers would be heroes to most police departments. I don&#8217;t know where you serve and to put not too fine a point on it, I find it hard to believe that ANY police department in this country still follows Constitutional requirements, or that does not think of the non-police population as fodder to build stats for next year&#8217;s budget.</p>
<p>Perhaps in very small towns where everyone knows one another a policeman would think twice about hassling the peasants, but only because the peasants know where he lives.  Those of us in bigger places are just plain out of luck and at the mercy of a privileged someone who had a fight with the wife that morning.</p>
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